All things CoronaVirus

[wgdsr]

And on the therapeutics front.....I seem to remember someone getting shouted down for pointing out the bolded part below.


Plus, both pills only work if the patient takes them within five days of their first symptoms. That’s a prohibitively short window in a country where COVID testing is still inadequate. Many people won’t know they’re infected in time to get a prescription and start taking the pills. “A lot of people don’t get tested right away,” Redlener said. “If you don’t catch it early, three to five days, these pills won’t help you.”


Moral: vaccines are the only way out of this. Or death for the unvaxxed, of course. 100,000,000+ Americans are unvaxxed. Problem? What problem?



https://www.thedailybeast.com/dreams-of ... d?ref=home

i was told tests are on the way....

how does this redlener know they only work in the 1st 5 days? how did pfizer know? brilliant, i'd be interested in knowing how he /she and they did this.

[Typical Lax Dad]

I know that asking for more than a minute and a half is stretching the attention span of most in this world today but I'm hoping there is someone who will watch this and come back and tell me why this guy is a nut and I shouldn't believe a word he says. TIA
https://americacanwetalk.org/dr-mark-mc ... 2-15-21-2/

There are two classes of people in the country: the haves and have nots.

2% of people that have contracted the virus have died. Over 5 million deaths reported globally and the real number is expected to be between 15 and 20 million. If people are not afraid of that, they aren’t scared of anything. We were more afraid of a terrorists attack. Security in every building in this country changed almost overnight. Nobody complained.

https://www.futuremedicine.com/doi/10.2 ... -2021-0086

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothec ... d713423780

it's a shade under 2% now, as people in my neck of the woods can't get tests and they likely won't get counted on the rolls.

I am as relying on the Global number. 283 million cases is statistically close enough.

In the meantime: https://www.statnews.com/2021/10/14/yea ... -covid-19/

COVID-19 hasn’t been a big deal. It has been overblown

i just feel compelled every time i see your 2% number. especially when it says have contracted the virus. i thought you were riding ihme? 40% of the pop already, are u.s. excess deaths up to almost 3 million?

a number of people have tried to tackle it. the original 0.3+% is more than likely low.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 1221007931
didn't go thru it all, but they may have it somewhere b/t 0.5 and 1%. depending. there's a bunch of modeling, though. directional. sweden's probably lower or lower end. lot of vitamin d.

I am lazy. Worldmeter has been my day 1 reference point…..directionally accurate.
In the meantime
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/exce ... eath-count

Virus isn’t really killing folks.

not easy to get a cumulative total but looks like 400+ in 2000? not too far off. must've thrown in some motorcycle accidents to balance some of the ones we missed.

read the years lives lost study link, they might have neglected to mention or forgot to include kids for school closings.

Kids lives are too precious. I wouldn’t have gambled that COVID-19 would spare them. I am conservative when it comes to risk.

you'll have to bring them back to school sometime in your plan. we don't know more on that now than we did in summer 2000.

Kids were in school in a lot of places. A couple of neighboring towns didn’t miss any in person at all. A day or two here and there. I didn’t realize it. Our town was mostly in person throughout most of the pandemic.

[old salt]

And on the therapeutics front.....I seem to remember someone getting shouted down for pointing out the bolded part below.

Plus, both pills only work if the patient takes them within five days of their first symptoms. That’s a prohibitively short window in a country where COVID testing is still inadequate. Many people won’t know they’re infected in time to get a prescription and start taking the pills. “A lot of people don’t get tested right away,” Redlener said. “If you don’t catch it early, three to five days, these pills won’t help you.”

Moral: vaccines are the only way out of this. Or death for the unvaxxed, of course. 100,000,000+ Americans are unvaxxed. Problem? What problem?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/dreams-of ... d?ref=home

...or prioritize test kit distribution to ER's, Urgent Cares, MD's, fire house emt's & pharmacies to screen for the emergent symptomatic.

[a fan]

EZ. ...don't swear in the unvaxxed. You have to be fit & healthy to get in.

But you don't need to be fit and healthy to stay in?

Makes perfect sense.

Up is down. Down is up.

Every time you post you reveal how little you know about this.

You still have to pass an annual physical, meet BMI standards & pass strenuous recurring PRT's.

So you think you're going to make your silliness make sense by giving me pointless details, OS?

You're trying to sell the idea that it's unimportant to have vaccinated soldiers on duty. Your superiors in the military disagree with you.

So do Federal Judges.

[a fan]

And on the therapeutics front.....I seem to remember someone getting shouted down for pointing out the bolded part below.


Plus, both pills only work if the patient takes them within five days of their first symptoms. That’s a prohibitively short window in a country where COVID testing is still inadequate. Many people won’t know they’re infected in time to get a prescription and start taking the pills. “A lot of people don’t get tested right away,” Redlener said. “If you don’t catch it early, three to five days, these pills won’t help you.”


Moral: vaccines are the only way out of this. Or death for the unvaxxed, of course. 100,000,000+ Americans are unvaxxed. Problem? What problem?



https://www.thedailybeast.com/dreams-of ... d?ref=home

i was told tests are on the way....

You think anti-vaxxers would test enough to catch Covid early? I don't.

As I outlined for Tech, these treatments ASSUME a rational, relatively wealthy patient in an Urban area, with easy access to doctors and hospitals.

That's not the demographic of the average anti-vaxxer. It's obvious that these pills are not going to help the anti vaxxers in large enough numbers to make a dent in the overall problem.

They're going to show up at ER's too late for help.....

how does this redlener know they only work in the 1st 5 days? how did pfizer know? brilliant, i'd be interested in knowing how he /she and they did this.

The trials that got them approved for use.

[wgdsr]

I know that asking for more than a minute and a half is stretching the attention span of most in this world today but I'm hoping there is someone who will watch this and come back and tell me why this guy is a nut and I shouldn't believe a word he says. TIA
https://americacanwetalk.org/dr-mark-mc ... 2-15-21-2/

There are two classes of people in the country: the haves and have nots.

2% of people that have contracted the virus have died. Over 5 million deaths reported globally and the real number is expected to be between 15 and 20 million. If people are not afraid of that, they aren’t scared of anything. We were more afraid of a terrorists attack. Security in every building in this country changed almost overnight. Nobody complained.

https://www.futuremedicine.com/doi/10.2 ... -2021-0086

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothec ... d713423780

it's a shade under 2% now, as people in my neck of the woods can't get tests and they likely won't get counted on the rolls.

I am as relying on the Global number. 283 million cases is statistically close enough.

In the meantime: https://www.statnews.com/2021/10/14/yea ... -covid-19/

COVID-19 hasn’t been a big deal. It has been overblown

i just feel compelled every time i see your 2% number. especially when it says have contracted the virus. i thought you were riding ihme? 40% of the pop already, are u.s. excess deaths up to almost 3 million?

a number of people have tried to tackle it. the original 0.3+% is more than likely low.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 1221007931
didn't go thru it all, but they may have it somewhere b/t 0.5 and 1%. depending. there's a bunch of modeling, though. directional. sweden's probably lower or lower end. lot of vitamin d.

I am lazy. Worldmeter has been my day 1 reference point…..directionally accurate.
In the meantime
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/exce ... eath-count

Virus isn’t really killing folks.

not easy to get a cumulative total but looks like 400+ in 2000? not too far off. must've thrown in some motorcycle accidents to balance some of the ones we missed.

read the years lives lost study link, they might have neglected to mention or forgot to include kids for school closings.

Kids lives are too precious. I wouldn’t have gambled that COVID-19 would spare them. I am conservative when it comes to risk.

you'll have to bring them back to school sometime in your plan. we don't know more on that now than we did in summer 2000.

Kids were in school in a lot of places. A couple of neighboring towns didn’t miss any in person at all. A day or two here and there. I didn’t realize it. Our town was mostly in person throughout most of the pandemic.

so were others. florida. mississippi. sweden.
quite a few weren't. not my nieces in california.
not everyone near me. not for 2020-21. teachers and admins were the 1st ones in line in january or the vaxx, didn't matter to them they were cutting 65 and 70 year olds. they were good.

still didn't want to give kids their last several months of school. even after rachel told them the vaccinated don't carry the virus.

[Typical Lax Dad]

I know that asking for more than a minute and a half is stretching the attention span of most in this world today but I'm hoping there is someone who will watch this and come back and tell me why this guy is a nut and I shouldn't believe a word he says. TIA
https://americacanwetalk.org/dr-mark-mc ... 2-15-21-2/

There are two classes of people in the country: the haves and have nots.

2% of people that have contracted the virus have died. Over 5 million deaths reported globally and the real number is expected to be between 15 and 20 million. If people are not afraid of that, they aren’t scared of anything. We were more afraid of a terrorists attack. Security in every building in this country changed almost overnight. Nobody complained.

https://www.futuremedicine.com/doi/10.2 ... -2021-0086

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothec ... d713423780

it's a shade under 2% now, as people in my neck of the woods can't get tests and they likely won't get counted on the rolls.

I am as relying on the Global number. 283 million cases is statistically close enough.

In the meantime: https://www.statnews.com/2021/10/14/yea ... -covid-19/

COVID-19 hasn’t been a big deal. It has been overblown

i just feel compelled every time i see your 2% number. especially when it says have contracted the virus. i thought you were riding ihme? 40% of the pop already, are u.s. excess deaths up to almost 3 million?

a number of people have tried to tackle it. the original 0.3+% is more than likely low.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 1221007931
didn't go thru it all, but they may have it somewhere b/t 0.5 and 1%. depending. there's a bunch of modeling, though. directional. sweden's probably lower or lower end. lot of vitamin d.

I am lazy. Worldmeter has been my day 1 reference point…..directionally accurate.
In the meantime
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/exce ... eath-count

Virus isn’t really killing folks.

not easy to get a cumulative total but looks like 400+ in 2000? not too far off. must've thrown in some motorcycle accidents to balance some of the ones we missed.

read the years lives lost study link, they might have neglected to mention or forgot to include kids for school closings.

Kids lives are too precious. I wouldn’t have gambled that COVID-19 would spare them. I am conservative when it comes to risk.

you'll have to bring them back to school sometime in your plan. we don't know more on that now than we did in summer 2000.

Kids were in school in a lot of places. A couple of neighboring towns didn’t miss any in person at all. A day or two here and there. I didn’t realize it. Our town was mostly in person throughout most of the pandemic.

so were others. florida. mississippi. sweden.
quite a few weren't. not my nieces in california.
not everyone near me. not for 2020-21. teachers and admins were the 1st ones in line in january or the vaxx, didn't matter to them they were cutting 65 and 70 year olds. they were good.

still didn't want to give kids their last several months of school. even after rachel told them the vaccinated don't carry the virus.

Live and learn. A lot of hard choices.

[wgdsr]

And on the therapeutics front.....I seem to remember someone getting shouted down for pointing out the bolded part below.


Plus, both pills only work if the patient takes them within five days of their first symptoms. That’s a prohibitively short window in a country where COVID testing is still inadequate. Many people won’t know they’re infected in time to get a prescription and start taking the pills. “A lot of people don’t get tested right away,” Redlener said. “If you don’t catch it early, three to five days, these pills won’t help you.”


Moral: vaccines are the only way out of this. Or death for the unvaxxed, of course. 100,000,000+ Americans are unvaxxed. Problem? What problem?



https://www.thedailybeast.com/dreams-of ... d?ref=home

i was told tests are on the way....

You think anti-vaxxers would test enough to catch Covid early? I don't.

As I outlined for Tech, these treatments ASSUME a rational, relatively wealthy patient in an Urban area, with easy access to doctors and hospitals.

That's not the demographic of the average anti-vaxxer. It's obvious that these pills are not going to help the anti vaxxers in large enough numbers to make a dent in the overall problem.

They're going to show up at ER's too late for help.....
so this is where you throw out something in the absolute, which is ridiculous on its face, and for debating purposes i must.... refute it? when you don't even have anything to "prove" it? what kind of comedy is this?

how does this redlener know they only work in the 1st 5 days? how did pfizer know? brilliant, i'd be interested in knowing how he /she and they did this.

The trials that got them approved for use.

i have yet to see anywhere that says they only work within the 1st 5 days. or that they "won't help" outside of that. until now. can you link or source me?

[old salt]

EZ. ...don't swear in the unvaxxed. You have to be fit & healthy to get in.

But you don't need to be fit and healthy to stay in?

Makes perfect sense.

Up is down. Down is up.

Every time you post you reveal how little you know about this.

You still have to pass an annual physical, meet BMI standards & pass strenuous recurring PRT's.

So you think you're going to make your silliness make sense by giving me pointless details, OS?

You're trying to sell the idea that it's unimportant to have vaccinated soldiers on duty. Your superiors in the military disagree with you.

So do Federal Judges.

the > 5% unvaxxed (& decreasing) are irrelevant to readiness.
Superiors in the military follow the guidance of their civilian political leaders in office at the time.
That's why state Governors differ on the mandate for their Guard members.
Fed judges rule based on the law, not their assessment of military readiness.
Go hector the unvaxxed that really matter, like those working in hospitals, schools or your enlightened state's employees.

[a fan]

And on the therapeutics front.....I seem to remember someone getting shouted down for pointing out the bolded part below.


Plus, both pills only work if the patient takes them within five days of their first symptoms. That’s a prohibitively short window in a country where COVID testing is still inadequate. Many people won’t know they’re infected in time to get a prescription and start taking the pills. “A lot of people don’t get tested right away,” Redlener said. “If you don’t catch it early, three to five days, these pills won’t help you.”


Moral: vaccines are the only way out of this. Or death for the unvaxxed, of course. 100,000,000+ Americans are unvaxxed. Problem? What problem?



https://www.thedailybeast.com/dreams-of ... d?ref=home

i was told tests are on the way....

You think anti-vaxxers would test enough to catch Covid early? I don't.

As I outlined for Tech, these treatments ASSUME a rational, relatively wealthy patient in an Urban area, with easy access to doctors and hospitals.

That's not the demographic of the average anti-vaxxer. It's obvious that these pills are not going to help the anti vaxxers in large enough numbers to make a dent in the overall problem.

They're going to show up at ER's too late for help.....
so this is where you throw out something in the absolute, which is ridiculous on its face, and for debating purposes i must.... refute it? when you don't even have anything to "prove" it? what kind of comedy is this?

No, you're leaving out the context that is implicit in the article.

The hope was that these pills would end the pandemic, as the unvaxxed would simply pop one when they get Covid.

I disagree with this idea, and don't believe they will help nearly as much as some are thinking. I expressed these points last week...and now here's an article saying essentially the same thing I did. That's it. No absolutes.

[a fan]

EZ. ...don't swear in the unvaxxed. You have to be fit & healthy to get in.

But you don't need to be fit and healthy to stay in?

Makes perfect sense.

Up is down. Down is up.

Every time you post you reveal how little you know about this.

You still have to pass an annual physical, meet BMI standards & pass strenuous recurring PRT's.

So you think you're going to make your silliness make sense by giving me pointless details, OS?

You're trying to sell the idea that it's unimportant to have vaccinated soldiers on duty. Your superiors in the military disagree with you.

So do Federal Judges.

the > 5% unvaxxed (& decreasing) are irrelevant to readiness.

Right. That's yet another reason as to why there were discharged. Glad we agree.

[old salt]

EZ. ...don't swear in the unvaxxed. You have to be fit & healthy to get in.

But you don't need to be fit and healthy to stay in?

Makes perfect sense.

Up is down. Down is up.

Every time you post you reveal how little you know about this.

You still have to pass an annual physical, meet BMI standards & pass strenuous recurring PRT's.

So you think you're going to make your silliness make sense by giving me pointless details, OS?

You're trying to sell the idea that it's unimportant to have vaccinated soldiers on duty. Your superiors in the military disagree with you.

So do Federal Judges.

the > 5% unvaxxed (& decreasing) are irrelevant to readiness.

Right. That's yet another reason as to why there were discharged. Glad we agree.

We definitely do not agree. They were discharged because they could be, nor because they needed to be discharged.

[wgdsr]

And on the therapeutics front.....I seem to remember someone getting shouted down for pointing out the bolded part below.


Plus, both pills only work if the patient takes them within five days of their first symptoms. That’s a prohibitively short window in a country where COVID testing is still inadequate. Many people won’t know they’re infected in time to get a prescription and start taking the pills. “A lot of people don’t get tested right away,” Redlener said. “If you don’t catch it early, three to five days, these pills won’t help you.”


Moral: vaccines are the only way out of this. Or death for the unvaxxed, of course. 100,000,000+ Americans are unvaxxed. Problem? What problem?



https://www.thedailybeast.com/dreams-of ... d?ref=home

i was told tests are on the way....

You think anti-vaxxers would test enough to catch Covid early? I don't.

As I outlined for Tech, these treatments ASSUME a rational, relatively wealthy patient in an Urban area, with easy access to doctors and hospitals.

That's not the demographic of the average anti-vaxxer. It's obvious that these pills are not going to help the anti vaxxers in large enough numbers to make a dent in the overall problem.

They're going to show up at ER's too late for help.....
so this is where you throw out something in the absolute, which is ridiculous on its face, and for debating purposes i must.... refute it? when you don't even have anything to "prove" it? what kind of comedy is this?

No, you're leaving out the context that is implicit in the article.

The hope was that these pills would end the pandemic, as the unvaxxed would simply pop one when they get Covid.

I disagree with this idea, and don't believe they will help nearly as much as some are thinking. I expressed these points last week...and now here's an article saying essentially the same thing I did. That's it. No absolutes.

here's me leaving out context or ignoring something again. what are the numbers on anti-vaxxers ignoring treatment for too long?
redlener says "a lot". is there at least an 800 person survey on it?

and speaking of redlener, are you still working on the > 5 day doesn't work link?

[Typical Lax Dad]

EZ. ...don't swear in the unvaxxed. You have to be fit & healthy to get in.

But you don't need to be fit and healthy to stay in?

Makes perfect sense.

Up is down. Down is up.

Every time you post you reveal how little you know about this.

You still have to pass an annual physical, meet BMI standards & pass strenuous recurring PRT's.

So you think you're going to make your silliness make sense by giving me pointless details, OS?

You're trying to sell the idea that it's unimportant to have vaccinated soldiers on duty. Your superiors in the military disagree with you.

So do Federal Judges.

the > 5% unvaxxed (& decreasing) are irrelevant to readiness.

Right. That's yet another reason as to why there were discharged. Glad we agree.

We definitely do not agree. They were discharged because they could be, nor because they needed to be discharged.

We need to shrink forces. This provides cover.

[old salt]

EZ. ...don't swear in the unvaxxed. You have to be fit & healthy to get in.

But you don't need to be fit and healthy to stay in?

Makes perfect sense.

Up is down. Down is up.

Every time you post you reveal how little you know about this.

You still have to pass an annual physical, meet BMI standards & pass strenuous recurring PRT's.

So you think you're going to make your silliness make sense by giving me pointless details, OS?

You're trying to sell the idea that it's unimportant to have vaccinated soldiers on duty. Your superiors in the military disagree with you.

So do Federal Judges.

the > 5% unvaxxed (& decreasing) are irrelevant to readiness.

Right. That's yet another reason as to why there were discharged. Glad we agree.

We definitely do not agree. They were discharged because they could be, nor because they needed to be discharged.

We need to shrink forces. This provides cover.

the numbers of unvax in the active forces are too few too few to matter in downsizing.
Force reduction is done via normal attrition & fewer recruits.

It's stupid to throw out fully trained & qualified members who would otherwise be retained.
Smedley Butler could capture a small country wih those 166 Marines.

[old salt]

India's going in big for the Ridgeback covid pill. ...they haven't figured out that it's too late to help.

https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... r-7694102/

[Typical Lax Dad]

EZ. ...don't swear in the unvaxxed. You have to be fit & healthy to get in.

But you don't need to be fit and healthy to stay in?

Makes perfect sense.

Up is down. Down is up.

Every time you post you reveal how little you know about this.

You still have to pass an annual physical, meet BMI standards & pass strenuous recurring PRT's.

So you think you're going to make your silliness make sense by giving me pointless details, OS?

You're trying to sell the idea that it's unimportant to have vaccinated soldiers on duty. Your superiors in the military disagree with you.

So do Federal Judges.

the > 5% unvaxxed (& decreasing) are irrelevant to readiness.

Right. That's yet another reason as to why there were discharged. Glad we agree.

We definitely do not agree. They were discharged because they could be, nor because they needed to be discharged.

We need to shrink forces. This provides cover.

the numbers of unvax in the active forces are too few too few to matter in downsizing.
Force reduction is done via normal attrition & fewer recruits.

It's stupid to throw out fully trained & qualified members who would otherwise be retained.
Smedley Butler could capture a small country wih those 166 Marines.

All the more reason to get rid of the low hanging fruit.

[ggait]

India's going in big for the Ridgeback covid pill. ...they haven't figured out that it's too late to help.

https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... r-7694102/

Salty — you missed the bigger and more important news in that story. Which is the eua for Corbevax (ie the Baylor vaccine). That’s gonna do a lot more than the Ridgeback pills. And much safer.

TBD how many MBs there are in India.

[old salt]

India's going in big for the Ridgeback covid pill. ...they haven't figured out that it's too late to help.

https://indianexpress.com/article/india ... r-7694102/

Salty — you missed the bigger and more important news in that story. Which is the eua for Corbevax (ie the Baylor vaccine). That’s gonna do a lot more than the Ridgeback pills. And much safer.

TBD how many MBs there are in India.

Saw an interview with Dr Hotez on that.
It's a traditional vaccine which can be made in existing facilities around he world.
Potential game changer.

[Bart]

And on the therapeutics front.....I seem to remember someone getting shouted down for pointing out the bolded part below.


Plus, both pills only work if the patient takes them within five days of their first symptoms. That’s a prohibitively short window in a country where COVID testing is still inadequate. Many people won’t know they’re infected in time to get a prescription and start taking the pills. “A lot of people don’t get tested right away,” Redlener said. “If you don’t catch it early, three to five days, these pills won’t help you.”


Moral: vaccines are the only way out of this. Or death for the unvaxxed, of course. 100,000,000+ Americans are unvaxxed. Problem? What problem?



https://www.thedailybeast.com/dreams-of ... d?ref=home

i was told tests are on the way....

You think anti-vaxxers would test enough to catch Covid early? I don't.

As I outlined for Tech, these treatments ASSUME a rational, relatively wealthy patient in an Urban area, with easy access to doctors and hospitals.

That's not the demographic of the average anti-vaxxer. It's obvious that these pills are not going to help the anti vaxxers in large enough numbers to make a dent in the overall problem.

They're going to show up at ER's too late for help.....
so this is where you throw out something in the absolute, which is ridiculous on its face, and for debating purposes i must.... refute it? when you don't even have anything to "prove" it? what kind of comedy is this?

No, you're leaving out the context that is implicit in the article.

The hope was that these pills would end the pandemic, as the unvaxxed would simply pop one when they get Covid.

I disagree with this idea, and don't believe they will help nearly as much as some are thinking. I expressed these points last week...and now here's an article saying essentially the same thing I did. That's it. No absolutes.

here's me leaving out context or ignoring something again. what are the numbers on anti-vaxxers ignoring treatment for too long?
redlener says "a lot". is there at least an 800 person survey on it?

and speaking of redlener, are you still working on the > 5 day doesn't work link?

5 day window is the longest window tested.