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dislaxxic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:31 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:14 pm

dislaxxic wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:04 pm The last time this affair got CLOSE to resolution, with what they called the "Gang of Eight" Senators, four from each party as i recall...they got up against a vote to approve this comprehensive immigration reform and at the very last minute, the deal got scuttled by a group of hard-right conservatives over the whole "pathway to citizenship" model in the legislation. They started screaming "amnesty" and the deal was murdered in it's cradle.

This is just low-rent, junior varsity level logic.

We're giving all the people here illegally amnesty RIGHT NOW. That ship has sailed. It's idiotic to think otherwise.

The ONLY question is: what do we do with them now that they are here?

Just to be clear, the "low rent, junior varsity level logic" is what torpedoed the comprehensive immigration legislation last time and what persists to this day. Baselessly keeping the issue simmering for political point-scoring during an election cycle is flat BULLSHIRT! Another very clear example of the bankrupt " "thought" process lurking in the rightwingnut lizard brain.

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kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:16 am Mexican president demands work visas, $20B in US aid to help curb illegal immigration:

https://news4sanantonio.com/news/nation ... ern-border#

Sounds like a deal. For just a fraction of the Ukraine money we could end this humanitarian crisis.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 2:52 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:16 am Mexican president demands work visas, $20B in US aid to help curb illegal immigration:

https://news4sanantonio.com/news/nation ... ern-border#

Sounds like a deal. For just a fraction of the Ukraine money we could end this humanitarian crisis.

Following the cartel model, great.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 6:37 pm NY Congresswoman Clarke wants the bodies to redistrict: https://x.com/endwokeness/status/174434 ... a82I2GssRg

WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 12:15 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 7:37 am IMO the Republicans have a very long history of ineffectual leadership when given the opportunity. A Fan has pointed out the Republicans ran the show when Trump was in charge and couldn't find a fix for the chit show at the southern border.

The border wall proposed by Trump caused the press, politicians and a great many people to lose their minds.

Our law makers on both sides of the aisle are bad at math. The expense of the border wall (estimates from $15-30 billion) was balked at and/or
attacked economically, socially, racially, intellectually, morally, legally, and emotionally.

In the meantime, just 2022's illegal immigration has burdened US taxpayers with an estimated $150 billion price tag. $12.5 billion a month. That's the combined GDP of 14 states.

I won't even go into the statistics regarding violent crimes (murder, rape, felony assault, felony theft) being committed by the illegals who we support better than our veterans.

Anyone have any solutions in mind?

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:56 am

WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 12:15 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 7:37 am IMO the Republicans have a very long history of ineffectual leadership when given the opportunity. A Fan has pointed out the Republicans ran the show when Trump was in charge and couldn't find a fix for the chit show at the southern border.

The border wall proposed by Trump caused the press, politicians and a great many people to lose their minds.

Our law makers on both sides of the aisle are bad at math. The expense of the border wall (estimates from $15-30 billion) was balked at and/or
attacked economically, socially, racially, intellectually, morally, legally, and emotionally.

In the meantime, just 2022's illegal immigration has burdened US taxpayers with an estimated $150 billion price tag. $12.5 billion a month. That's the combined GDP of 14 states.

I won't even go into the statistics regarding violent crimes (murder, rape, felony assault, felony theft) being committed by the illegals who we support better than our veterans.

Anyone have any solutions in mind?

Perhaps this lady does Waffle:

https://twitter.com/lavern_spicer/statu ... 6552748195

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:21 am

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:56 am

WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 12:15 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 7:37 am IMO the Republicans have a very long history of ineffectual leadership when given the opportunity. A Fan has pointed out the Republicans ran the show when Trump was in charge and couldn't find a fix for the chit show at the southern border.

The border wall proposed by Trump caused the press, politicians and a great many people to lose their minds.

Our law makers on both sides of the aisle are bad at math. The expense of the border wall (estimates from $15-30 billion) was balked at and/or
attacked economically, socially, racially, intellectually, morally, legally, and emotionally.

In the meantime, just 2022's illegal immigration has burdened US taxpayers with an estimated $150 billion price tag. $12.5 billion a month. That's the combined GDP of 14 states.

I won't even go into the statistics regarding violent crimes (murder, rape, felony assault, felony theft) being committed by the illegals who we support better than our veterans.

Anyone have any solutions in mind?

Perhaps this lady does Waffle:

https://twitter.com/lavern_spicer/statu ... 6552748195

So...vote for Trump, and he'll fix it.

We already saw this play. What happened? Did Trump fix our immigration system and build his wall?

How'd the wall work in Israel, fellas? Awesome, right?

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: build the wall so that R's will shut up about it. Anything to get them to see that won't fix the problem.

All you have to so is give the people who are here work VISAs. Now they can work. Now they can be a net benefit, and Waffle's reasonable complaint about costs turns into a massive GDP gain.

Explain why folks don't want to do that? They're here to work. Get the pointless red tape out of the way, and let them work.

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 1:09 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:21 am

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:56 am

WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 12:15 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 7:37 am IMO the Republicans have a very long history of ineffectual leadership when given the opportunity. A Fan has pointed out the Republicans ran the show when Trump was in charge and couldn't find a fix for the chit show at the southern border.

The border wall proposed by Trump caused the press, politicians and a great many people to lose their minds.

Our law makers on both sides of the aisle are bad at math. The expense of the border wall (estimates from $15-30 billion) was balked at and/or
attacked economically, socially, racially, intellectually, morally, legally, and emotionally.

In the meantime, just 2022's illegal immigration has burdened US taxpayers with an estimated $150 billion price tag. $12.5 billion a month. That's the combined GDP of 14 states.

I won't even go into the statistics regarding violent crimes (murder, rape, felony assault, felony theft) being committed by the illegals who we support better than our veterans.

Anyone have any solutions in mind?

Perhaps this lady does Waffle:

https://twitter.com/lavern_spicer/statu ... 6552748195

So...vote for Trump, and he'll fix it.

We already saw this play. What happened? Did Trump fix our immigration system and build his wall?

How'd the wall work in Israel, fellas? Awesome, right?

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: build the wall so that R's will shut up about it. Anything to get them to see that won't fix the problem.

All you have to so is give the people who are here work VISAs. Now they can work. Now they can be a net benefit, and Waffle's reasonable complaint about costs turns into a massive GDP gain.

Explain why folks don't want to do that? They're here to work. Get the pointless red tape out of the way, and let them work.

Vote for Trump? That's what you came away with? Seems to me she is chastising both parties equally and politicians in general. And rightly so...

You do make strange reads on a lot of stuff IMO.

Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 1:29 pm The only thing more dysfunctional than border policies is our POLITICS.

We have a huge low end labor shortage in this country - you could increase work permits to allow these folks to pay taxes and live here - you don't ever have to give any of them citizenship let alone any kind of benefits - treat them exactly the same as the current policy for agriculture including defining labor rates. Start enforcing e-verify as well to prevent companies from gaming the system.

Instead we have stupid politicians like Abbott making things worse by preventing border patrol from accessing the border and the other side screaming about mistreatment and endless other sh*t.

This country is run by two equally incompetent ideologues. A pox on ALL of them.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 2:51 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 1:29 pm The only thing more dysfunctional than border policies is our POLITICS.

We have a huge low end labor shortage in this country - you could increase work permits to allow these folks to pay taxes and live here - you don't ever have to give any of them citizenship let alone any kind of benefits - treat them exactly the same as the current policy for agriculture including defining labor rates. Start enforcing e-verify as well to prevent companies from gaming the system.

Instead we have stupid politicians like Abbott making things worse by preventing border patrol from accessing the border and the other side screaming about mistreatment and endless other sh*t.

This country is run by two equally incompetent ideologues. A pox on ALL of them.

+1000

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 3:47 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 2:51 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 1:29 pm The only thing more dysfunctional than border policies is our POLITICS.

We have a huge low end labor shortage in this country - you could increase work permits to allow these folks to pay taxes and live here - you don't ever have to give any of them citizenship let alone any kind of benefits - treat them exactly the same as the current policy for agriculture including defining labor rates. Start enforcing e-verify as well to prevent companies from gaming the system.

Instead we have stupid politicians like Abbott making things worse by preventing border patrol from accessing the border and the other side screaming about mistreatment and endless other sh*t.

This country is run by two equally incompetent ideologues. A pox on ALL of them.

+1000

Yep. That's the Solution. Give them all work visas. Alllllll the complaints about them getting sh(t for free goes away. They are DESPERATE to work, and employers are DESPERATE for these exact workers.

Drives me nuts that no one has the stones to get this done.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 4:19 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 3:47 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 2:51 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 1:29 pm The only thing more dysfunctional than border policies is our POLITICS.

We have a huge low end labor shortage in this country - you could increase work permits to allow these folks to pay taxes and live here - you don't ever have to give any of them citizenship let alone any kind of benefits - treat them exactly the same as the current policy for agriculture including defining labor rates. Start enforcing e-verify as well to prevent companies from gaming the system.

Instead we have stupid politicians like Abbott making things worse by preventing border patrol from accessing the border and the other side screaming about mistreatment and endless other sh*t.

This country is run by two equally incompetent ideologues. A pox on ALL of them.

+1000

Yep. That's the Solution. Give them all work visas. Alllllll the complaints about them getting sh(t for free goes away. They are DESPERATE to work, and employers are DESPERATE for these exact workers.

Drives me nuts that no one has the stones to get this done.

Actually...then the complaints will be that the Allllllll those granted work visas now took all the jobs our lazy asses didnt want to do. Karens never stop.....they just can't help themselves.

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 3:47 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 2:51 pm

Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 1:29 pm The only thing more dysfunctional than border policies is our POLITICS.

We have a huge low end labor shortage in this country - you could increase work permits to allow these folks to pay taxes and live here - you don't ever have to give any of them citizenship let alone any kind of benefits - treat them exactly the same as the current policy for agriculture including defining labor rates. Start enforcing e-verify as well to prevent companies from gaming the system.

Instead we have stupid politicians like Abbott making things worse by preventing border patrol from accessing the border and the other side screaming about mistreatment and endless other sh*t.

This country is run by two equally incompetent ideologues. A pox on ALL of them.

+1000

Yep. That's the Solution. Give them all work visas. Alllllll the complaints about them getting sh(t for free goes away. They are DESPERATE to work, and employers are DESPERATE for these exact workers.

Drives me nuts that no one has the stones to get this done.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 4:33 pm It’s an issue to drive people to vote. Neither side will do anything about it, really. I have been saying it for years.

Kismet wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 5:03 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 4:33 pm It’s an issue to drive people to vote. Neither side will do anything about it, really. I have been saying it for years.

Gee - are we THAT bad that RESULTS don't incentivize folks to vote?

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 11:21 am

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 15, 2024 9:56 am

WaffleTwineFaceoff wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 12:15 pm

cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 7:37 am IMO the Republicans have a very long history of ineffectual leadership when given the opportunity. A Fan has pointed out the Republicans ran the show when Trump was in charge and couldn't find a fix for the chit show at the southern border.

The border wall proposed by Trump caused the press, politicians and a great many people to lose their minds.

Our law makers on both sides of the aisle are bad at math. The expense of the border wall (estimates from $15-30 billion) was balked at and/or
attacked economically, socially, racially, intellectually, morally, legally, and emotionally.

In the meantime, just 2022's illegal immigration has burdened US taxpayers with an estimated $150 billion price tag. $12.5 billion a month. That's the combined GDP of 14 states.

I won't even go into the statistics regarding violent crimes (murder, rape, felony assault, felony theft) being committed by the illegals who we support better than our veterans.

Anyone have any solutions in mind?

Perhaps this lady does Waffle:

https://twitter.com/lavern_spicer/statu ... 6552748195

So...vote for Trump, and he'll fix it.

We already saw this play. What happened? Did Trump fix our immigration system and build his wall?

How'd the wall work in Israel, fellas? Awesome, right?

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: build the wall so that R's will shut up about it. Anything to get them to see that won't fix the problem.

All you have to so is give the people who are here work VISAs. Now they can work. Now they can be a net benefit, and Waffle's reasonable complaint about costs turns into a massive GDP gain.

Explain why folks don't want to do that? They're here to work. Get the pointless red tape out of the way, and let them work.