Johns Hopkins 2021

[RumorMill]

The only consideration should be public health and safety.

It’s not just the health of students and student athletes involved here. It’s also the health of everyone they could potentially infect in the local community and back home.

One missed season isn’t going to undo over a century of unparalleled success.

This is a public health decision, and all other considerations should be set aside, as disappointing as that may be.

DocBarrister

Respectfully disagree. JHU's leaderships only consideration should be, what is in the best interest of their student body, faculty, staff and alumni... not "joe/jane public". With that said, you will most likely still get the same responses. One group believes in decision A, another in decision B and a third really has no opinion so supports whatever their friends' opinion is or what's the most popular on social media or media in general.

If 2021 doesn't materialize I would argue that's two missed seasons.

I'm optimistic a 2021 season will happen (not sure if JHU will participate which would be very sad), but here's to hoping.

[WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus]

2020 getting cancelled was actually some kind of divine mercy rule. They were well on their way to having a season worse than I predicted. IIRC, I was saying 4 wins. They were lucky to have 2. No mas! No mas!!

At the rate they were going, they might have gotten 3, and speaking of missing tournaments, I doubt they would have made the B1G. NC$$? Forget about it.

I’m not really sure I want to see a 2021. Flush more of that 2020 out of the system. Clear the CHT.

[flalax22]

2020 getting cancelled was actually some kind of divine mercy rule. They were well on their way to having a season worse than I predicted. IIRC, I was saying 4 wins. They were lucky to have 2. No mas! No mas!!

At the rate they were going, they might have gotten 3, and speaking of missing tournaments, I doubt they would have made the B1G. NC$$? Forget about it.

I’m not really sure I want to see a 2021. Flush more of that 2020 out of the system. Clear the CHT.

They weren’t getting past 3 wins in my book. That game vs MSM told us all we needed to know.

[DocBarrister]

The only consideration should be public health and safety.

It’s not just the health of students and student athletes involved here. It’s also the health of everyone they could potentially infect in the local community and back home.

One missed season isn’t going to undo over a century of unparalleled success.

This is a public health decision, and all other considerations should be set aside, as disappointing as that may be.

DocBarrister

Respectfully disagree. JHU's leaderships only consideration should be, what is in the best interest of their student body, faculty, staff and alumni... not "joe/jane public". With that said, you will most likely still get the same responses. One group believes in decision A, another in decision B and a third really has no opinion so supports whatever their friends' opinion is or what's the most popular on social media or media in general.

If 2021 doesn't materialize I would argue that's two missed seasons.

I'm optimistic a 2021 season will happen (not sure if JHU will participate which would be very sad), but here's to hoping.

That’s an absolutely myopic and irresponsible perspective in the midst of a national public health crisis that is estimated to have killed over 300,000 Americans.

Universities don’t exist in a bubble. The leadership at Johns Hopkins understands that.

I’m hoping Hopkins can reopen the campus in 2021 and that the Blue Jays can play the lacrosse season. I am confident JHU will make an informed decision based on the available data.

DocBarrister

[DocBarrister]

2020 getting cancelled was actually some kind of divine mercy rule. They were well on their way to having a season worse than I predicted. IIRC, I was saying 4 wins. They were lucky to have 2. No mas! No mas!!

At the rate they were going, they might have gotten 3, and speaking of missing tournaments, I doubt they would have made the B1G. NC$$? Forget about it.

I’m not really sure I want to see a 2021. Flush more of that 2020 out of the system. Clear the CHT.

They weren’t getting past 3 wins in my book. That game vs MSM told us all we needed to know.

Blue Jays made a spirited comeback in that game.

It’s possible they would have done so in the season if the pandemic had not struck. We have seen Hopkins teams improve markedly once they got their defensive act together. The 2007 and 2008 seasons are among the best examples.

I agree it was time for a change in leadership. Just think it was unfortunate that Petro didn’t have a chance to coach a full season before being let go.

DocBarrister

[flalax22]

2020 getting cancelled was actually some kind of divine mercy rule. They were well on their way to having a season worse than I predicted. IIRC, I was saying 4 wins. They were lucky to have 2. No mas! No mas!!

At the rate they were going, they might have gotten 3, and speaking of missing tournaments, I doubt they would have made the B1G. NC$$? Forget about it.

I’m not really sure I want to see a 2021. Flush more of that 2020 out of the system. Clear the CHT.

They weren’t getting past 3 wins in my book. That game vs MSM told us all we needed to know.

Blue Jays made a spirited comeback in that game.

It’s possible they would have done so in the season if the pandemic had not struck. We have seen Hopkins teams improve markedly once they got their defensive act together. The 2007 and 2008 seasons are among the best examples.

I agree it was time for a change in leadership. Just think it was unfortunate that Petro didn’t have a chance to coach a full season before being let go.

DocBarrister

It was MSM. With respect to the strapping lads from Emmitsburg they should never be within ten goals of Hopkins.

[WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus]

Wow, I just learned, thanks to the MSM goalie blowing a clear, Hopkins was on their way to #45.

[DocBarrister]

Wow, I just learned, thanks to the MSM goalie blowing a clear, Hopkins was on their way to #45.

C’mon man! You know that wasn’t what I was saying. Get real. Get goin’. Get over it.

DocBarrister

[RumorMill]

The only consideration should be public health and safety.

It’s not just the health of students and student athletes involved here. It’s also the health of everyone they could potentially infect in the local community and back home.

One missed season isn’t going to undo over a century of unparalleled success.

This is a public health decision, and all other considerations should be set aside, as disappointing as that may be.

DocBarrister

Respectfully disagree. JHU's leaderships only consideration should be, what is in the best interest of their student body, faculty, staff and alumni... not "joe/jane public". With that said, you will most likely still get the same responses. One group believes in decision A, another in decision B and a third really has no opinion so supports whatever their friends' opinion is or what's the most popular on social media or media in general.

If 2021 doesn't materialize I would argue that's two missed seasons.

I'm optimistic a 2021 season will happen (not sure if JHU will participate which would be very sad), but here's to hoping.

That’s an absolutely myopic and irresponsible perspective in the midst of a national public health crisis that is estimated to have killed over 300,000 Americans.

Universities don’t exist in a bubble. The leadership at Johns Hopkins understands that.

I’m hoping Hopkins can reopen the campus in 2021 and that the Blue Jays can play the lacrosse season. I am confident JHU will make an informed decision based on the available data.

DocBarrister

Agree, my use of “only” could be construed as myopic, potentially better stated as “primary consideration”, regardless I stand by my point. The leadership is not being paid to “only” consider the public health and safety concern. Your use of “only” on the other hand sounds more like authoritarian socialism. Especially in response to a post relating to undergraduate activity. Irresponsible, definitely not. Who is paying JHU leaderships' salary? What is their primary responsibility? To look out for the best interest of Johns Hopkins University, their students, faculty, staff and alumni or the general public? I’m not saying they can’t be one in the same, just saying I don’t agree with the statement “the only consideration should be public health and safety” as it relates to JHU leadership and undergraduate decisions.
I digress, back to lacrosse hopefully. Have a great weekend.

[mocking jay]

If the B1G plays Hopkins will play. It is a contracted relationship that favors Hopkins. There is no way they will violate the contract imo.

The potential exposure of family members and friends expands the population to be taken into account. As recent research is that small groups like family thanksgiving for example are providing a lot of contagion.

Thanksgiving island March are expected to be peaks by some. Epidemiologists are not doing much flying if any.

The heads should roll if Hopkins can’t play sports without spread is amusing given the virus here is wildly out of control

[MDlaxfan76]

If the B1G plays Hopkins will play. It is a contracted relationship that favors Hopkins. There is no way they will violate the contract imo.

The potential exposure of family members and friends expands the population to be taken into account. As recent research is that small groups like family thanksgiving for example are providing a lot of contagion.

Thanksgiving island March are expected to be peaks by some. Epidemiologists are not doing much flying if any.

The heads should roll if Hopkins can’t play sports without spread is amusing given the virus here is wildly out of control

I'm not entirely following you.

I very much doubt that Hopkins is compelled to play games, though they might be required to forfeit them if they don't show up.

There may be some short term financial ramifications, but I doubt that the Big 10 would toss Hopkins out going forward. And I doubt that would be a factor in Hopkins' decision as to whether sports can be played in the spring or not. That's likely to be a decision they make across the board, dependent upon how the virus is being managed at that point.

If I understood the other aspects, I agree, it's not looking great in terms of the virus.
And yeah, epidemiologists probably aren't doing a lot of discretionary flying!

[jhu06]

-the wisco qb has corona, but for the most part, the b1g conference did fine this weekend.
-Many of you are right, I doubt we play next spring. Will be interesting what the lacrosse alumni say, especially Rabil.
-If Hop decides next few weeks not to play are srs/grad students not coming back for 2022 allowed to transfer for spring 2021 or did they have to make that call last summer?

[Unknown Participant]

If the B1G plays Hopkins will play. It is a contracted relationship that favors Hopkins. There is no way they will violate the contract imo.

The potential exposure of family members and friends expands the population to be taken into account. As recent research is that small groups like family thanksgiving for example are providing a lot of contagion.

Thanksgiving island March are expected to be peaks by some. Epidemiologists are not doing much flying if any.

The heads should roll if Hopkins can’t play sports without spread is amusing given the virus here is wildly out of control

" As recent research is that small groups like family thanksgiving for example are providing a lot of contagion."

Exactly what I expect from Hopkins posters at this point. Will write and presumably do anything to make sure we stay in quarantine/lock down no matter what other deleterious effects it has on us, our children, business people/employees that depend on in-person contact, etc., and will cite research conducted during a holiday that has not even occurred yet to that end.

[WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus]

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xp ... story.html

Johnson Hopkins Hospital reference.

The hospital for Hopkins and Johnsons.

[51percentcorn]

I agree with mocking jay - if the rest of the BIG plays Hop will play - with maybe the only caveat being you can't have a Princeton like player opt out scenario (though with a 55+ roster Hopkins is better equipped to absorb opt outs). If the BIG/ACC etc. play and Hopkins did not - it would likely decimate the program - players would leave, recruits would decommit, etc. AND - if lax players were virtually the only students on site - Hopkins should be pretty well equipped to keep 100 or so people in a bubble. Maybe the biggest issue in that scenario is how you keep the players sane and not violating the protocols.

The bigger issue - IMO - is the virus/pandemic as a whole coupled with the belief on a large part of the population that personal freedoms outweigh anything including public safety which of course has been fueled by one person - somehow hard to believe we got here but hey - maybe we will get disinfectant and UV light inside the body.

In terms of the tiny issue of lacrosse, I would be more concerned that nobody plays these non revenue sports because a) the virus is out of control because we can't stop going to bars and parties and b) there is no money

[steel_hop]

The bigger issue - IMO - is the virus/pandemic as a whole coupled with the belief on a large part of the population that personal freedoms outweigh anything including public safety which of course has been fueled by one person - somehow hard to believe we got here but hey - maybe we will get disinfectant and UV light inside the body.

I'm not a Trump supporter or voter but there is no doubt we've taken on a huge restriction in personal freedoms to fight something that while dangerous is less dangerous for most of the population under the age of 65 to walk out the door. The harm being done to society overall to fight something that is generally uncontrollable will be written about for years.

Further, we aren't talking about a month or two of restrictions but working on 7 months. If you look at history, with the Spanish Flu being the most apt, most restrictions lasted 10-12 weeks - and many of those restrictions were on the sick and not healthy. You can also look at the flus of 1958 and 1968 that killed more people per capita than right now but there were no societal changes or lockdowns. The public health officials knew that society wouldn't stand for it. You can see it in Europe as there have been numerous protests against the ratcheting up of restrictions.

I'm all for being safe but at some point we need to start looking at these actions for what they are and taking the appropriate reasonable steps to allow those with minimal worries from COVID live their life. One of the glaring fallacies that was perpetuated in the beginning was the colds are not deadly to elderly people and, thus, COVID as a coronovirus and, thus is a cold. That isn't accurate. We've all dealt with colds and we all know they don't kill anyone. They might just knock you up for a few days.

That isn't true. To the elderly (the population , it doesn't matter if it is the flu or a cold...it can be a deadly event. In fact, rhinoviruses - the common cold - is more deadly to the elderly than the flu (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5343795/). But overall rhinoviruses like coronaviruses are essentially a non-event for 99.999% of the population under 65. Of the deaths reported by the CDC 165,000 have been over the age of 65. Approximately 20,000 are under the age of 55. 43,820 people have died under the age of 24 from all causes this year. Of those, 462 were from/with COVID. That is 1% of all deaths.

[MDlaxfan76]

Is it a huge restriction on personal freedom to wear masks?
Really?

Re '58 and '68, (60 and 50 years ago) in the US we're already equaling the deaths per million of those two pandemics, and that's despite significant efforts these past months by the population to reduce transmission, definitely more such than at any prior period, and it's despite much more advanced health capabilities and access, and we're not yet to the largest bolus of deaths, much less the end of the pandemic.

This is much worse and to reduce transmission and deaths, at least until a vaccine works effectively to do so, we have a tradeoff between hundreds of thousands of incremental, premature deaths or ...wearing masks, staying out of crowds.

Maybe it's that I'm 63 and think my life, my wife's life, my friends' lives should be valued?
Much less my mom's or my son's?

And I value the herculean efforts and risks taken by the health workers and first responders...and the lives of their families...

Absolutely, there's relatively little risk of death for the young, far as we know. But young people transmit. And others die.

[flalax22]

I agree with mocking jay - if the rest of the BIG plays Hop will play - with maybe the only caveat being you can't have a Princeton like player opt out scenario (though with a 55+ roster Hopkins is better equipped to absorb opt outs). If the BIG/ACC etc. play and Hopkins did not - it would likely decimate the program - players would leave, recruits would decommit, etc. AND - if lax players were virtually the only students on site - Hopkins should be pretty well equipped to keep 100 or so people in a bubble. Maybe the biggest issue in that scenario is how you keep the players sane and not violating the protocols.

If you think Hopkins will have an empty campus with the exception of lacrosse players, you clearly do not understand the culture of the institution. I'll say it now and be willing to eat crow later, there won't be a lacrosse bubble at JHU

[HopFan16]

I'm not a Trump supporter or voter but there is no doubt we've taken on a huge restriction in personal freedoms to fight something that while dangerous is less dangerous for most of the population under the age of 65 to walk out the door. The harm being done to society overall to fight something that is generally uncontrollable will be written about for years.

What personal freedoms have been taken away from you? Lacrosse isn't a personal freedom. Going to packed indoor concerts or crowded bars isn't a personal freedom. On-campus experiences at an institute of higher education isn't a personal freedom. I'm still waiting to hear about all of these so-called rights and freedoms that have been taken away. Being asked to wear a mask isn't a violation of anyone's personal sovereignty. The reason we're still in this mess—unlike many other countries, which have very much controlled the virus—is precisely because a lot of people are still refusing to sacrifice anything, thus ruining the chance of a return to relative normalcy for everyone.

South Korea, a country with a population of 52 million people, has had 500 deaths since February. 500! We had twice as many as that yesterday alone. Maybe instead of blaming the people who are really only asking that people wear masks and social distance when possible and stop going to crowded bars, we blame those who are apparently incapable of doing those things. The longer they refuse to take basic precautions, the longer we'll be in this. It doesn't seem right that we should just give up and submit to the whims of the most selfish among us.

As far as lacrosse goes—I'm with 51, I'd be pretty shocked if there is a Big Ten lacrosse season and Hopkins elects not to play. That'd be a catastrophic decision. If I had money to wager, I'd put it on the Blue Jays suiting up if there's a season to suit up for—but with cases rising in the US again, who knows if that can happen.

[flalax22]

I'm not a Trump supporter or voter but there is no doubt we've taken on a huge restriction in personal freedoms to fight something that while dangerous is less dangerous for most of the population under the age of 65 to walk out the door. The harm being done to society overall to fight something that is generally uncontrollable will be written about for years.

What personal freedoms have been taken away from you? Lacrosse isn't a personal freedom. Going to packed indoor concerts or crowded bars isn't a personal freedom. On-campus experiences at an institute of higher education isn't a personal freedom. I'm still waiting to hear about all of these so-called rights and freedoms that have been taken away. Being asked to wear a mask isn't a violation of anyone's personal sovereignty. The reason we're still in this mess—unlike many other countries, which have very much controlled the virus—is precisely because a lot of people are still refusing to sacrifice anything, thus ruining the chance of a return to relative normalcy for everyone.

South Korea, a country with a population of 52 million people, has had 500 deaths since February. 500! We had twice as many as that yesterday alone. Maybe instead of blaming the people who are really only asking that people wear masks and social distance when possible and stop going to crowded bars, we blame those who are apparently incapable of doing those things. The longer they refuse to take basic precautions, the longer we'll be in this. It doesn't seem right that we should just give up and submit to the whims of the most selfish among us.

As far as lacrosse goes—I'm with 51, I'd be pretty shocked if there is a Big Ten lacrosse season and Hopkins elects not to play. That'd be a catastrophic decision. If I had money to wager, I'd put it on the Blue Jays suiting up if there's a season to suit up for—but with cases rising in the US again, who knows if that can happen.

16 you’re an alumni. Can you see them suiting up if the entire campus remains shutdown?