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Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 3:46 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 3:39 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 3:36 pm
youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 3:13 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:58 pm
youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:47 pm
Bart wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:31 pm
youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:07 pm
CU88 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:29 pm
BREAKING: UK reports 93,045 new coronavirus cases, the biggest one-day increase on record.
Someone wake Biden up....he aint doing d!ck about it.
Curious. What would you like him to do?
And better question….what can he do that everyone will accept and comply?
You all tell me.....maybe we can go back to page one and start the thread all over again. Seems so many here had all the answers when Trump was running the show.
hmmm, was there a massive media campaign, primarily partisan, opposed to what the public health experts were recommending back during Trump's tenure?
Or was that Trump himself undercutting the scientists?
You see Biden doing the same?
In the link CU88 cited earlier this morning, towards the bottom of article.
https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substac ... dium=email
Welcome to the spin zone....Last I checked, Trump Admin was getting shitz on by every angle if they even breathed incorrectly at the onset of this virus. Now we are coming on year 3, colleges are shutting down Ivy none the less, and it is now stated that omicron appears more dangerous to children. The difference....everyone was in uncharted waters in early 2020, now with two years under our belt, seems silence is the word of the day for our PINO...but I suppose since he doesn't tweet mean things and makes only 'subtle' racist comments about black entrepreneurs its all okay.
For someone so opinionated, you certainly give the benefit of the doubt to everyone, except people with an r by their name, and moreso anyone connected with the last administration...damned near down to the janitor.
Where did you see that Omicron is more dangerous to children? I didn’t see that.
Thanks. Keep and eye on this*:
The hospital gave important context though: “Incidental COVID19 diagnoses among children exceeded COVID19 specific admissions.” In other words, more children are hospitalized “with COVID19” (e.g. injury and test positive) than “for COVID19” (i.e. SARS-CoV-2 taking over the body). So the increase in admissions is likely reflective of high community transmission. I don’t know if this is necessarily good news, but it’s not bad news either.
* was going to type deez…
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:08 pm
by Bart
a fan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:37 pm
Bart wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:31 pm
youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:07 pm
CU88 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:29 pm
BREAKING: UK reports 93,045 new coronavirus cases, the biggest one-day increase on record.
Someone wake Biden up....he aint doing d!ck about it.
Curious. What would you like him to do?
And better question….what can he do that everyone will accept and comply?
He did do something.
He told the unvaccinated " “For the unvaccinated, we are looking at a winter of severe illness and death. For themselves, their families and the hospitals that will soon be overwhelmed.”
You guys have been asking for clear messaging, no? Well, there you go. You should be thrilled.
I have no issue with this statement. But in terms of doing something I do not believe that is what YA was getting at. At least this statement is an honest assessment.
I still think that much of the messaging is all over the place however.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:12 pm
by Bart
youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:47 pm
Bart wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:31 pm
youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 1:07 pm
CU88 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:29 pm
BREAKING: UK reports 93,045 new coronavirus cases, the biggest one-day increase on record.
Someone wake Biden up....he aint doing d!ck about it.
Curious. What would you like him to do?
And better question….what can he do that everyone will accept and comply?
You all tell me.....maybe we can go back to page one and start the thread all over again. Seems so many here had all the answers when Trump was running the show.
But that was not the question. You wanted Joe to do something. This has nothing to do with the last president. What is it that the president right now in this climate can do that both sides can agree on? I do not know.
As fo the last guy, that is old news. I could give a rats arse. Rehashing stupid szchit done months ago aint going to get us out of this mess right now. Saying do exactly the opposite of the last guy aint going to get us out of this mess. I don't care how, who or what is done....what I would like to see is us out of this mess.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:27 pm
by a fan
Bart wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:08 pm
I have no issue with this statement. But in terms of doing something I do not believe that is what YA was getting at.
YA is playing partisan games. He wants Dems to treat Biden the way they treated Trump in 2020....and wants us to forget how Republicans treated Trump in 2020.
Want the Cliff's notes? "Why are we blaming Trump? This is China's fault" Oh, and "you have TDS".
Bart wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:08 pm
I still think that much of the messaging is all over the place however.
We're in the middle of a pandemic in a massive country. It's impossible for the messaging to be perfect, because the listeners are all different.
That and the situation changes with each passing day----should they give the same message every day? Or should they change the message based on what's going on that day? No winning move, if you ask me. Now add in the fact that no matter what you say, social media is going to hear what they want to hear.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 5:07 pm
by youthathletics
a fan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:27 pm
Bart wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:08 pm
I have no issue with this statement. But in terms of doing something I do not believe that is what YA was getting at.
YA is playing partisan games. He wants Dems to treat Biden the way they treated Trump in 2020....and wants us to forget how Republicans treated Trump in 2020.
Want the Cliff's notes? "Why are we blaming Trump? This is China's fault" Oh, and "you have TDS".
Bart wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:08 pm
I still think that much of the messaging is all over the place however.
We're in the middle of a pandemic in a massive country. It's impossible for the messaging to be perfect, because the listeners are all different.
That and the situation changes with each passing day----should they give the same message every day? Or should they change the message based on what's going on that day? No winning move, if you ask me. Now add in the fact that no matter what you say, social media is going to hear what they want to hear.
Almost correct.......only partisan games here on fanllax, not in real life. At the time, and currently, I believe we were/are doing damned near all we can....it was the partisan backseat drivers here on fanlax that I was serving up a slice of humble pie. All in good fun.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 5:15 pm
by a fan
youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 5:07 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:27 pm
Bart wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:08 pm
I have no issue with this statement. But in terms of doing something I do not believe that is what YA was getting at.
YA is playing partisan games. He wants Dems to treat Biden the way they treated Trump in 2020....and wants us to forget how Republicans treated Trump in 2020.
Want the Cliff's notes? "Why are we blaming Trump? This is China's fault" Oh, and "you have TDS".
Bart wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 4:08 pm
I still think that much of the messaging is all over the place however.
We're in the middle of a pandemic in a massive country. It's impossible for the messaging to be perfect, because the listeners are all different.
That and the situation changes with each passing day----should they give the same message every day? Or should they change the message based on what's going on that day? No winning move, if you ask me. Now add in the fact that no matter what you say, social media is going to hear what they want to hear.
Almost correct.......only partisan games here on fanllax, not in real life. At the time, and currently, I believe we were/are doing damned near all we can....it was the partisan backseat drivers here on fanlax that I was serving up a slice of humble pie. All in good fun.
BTW, if you REALLY want to have some fun....go and look at the first few pages on this thread.
Two polar opposite posters-------Old Salt and DocB-----made some evenhanded, prescient calls about the coming pandemic. Pretty cool, really.
And yes, all in good fun! I was simply lobbing the ball back in your court....
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 6:09 pm
by MDlaxfan76
youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:14 pm
I see the Chinese have decided to impose sanctions on us by inserting a virus into our economy.
ugh, Jan 28 2020
2nd post on the topic...
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 6:09 pm
by wgdsr
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:38 pm
by youthathletics
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 6:09 pm
youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:14 pm
I see the Chinese have decided to impose sanctions on us by inserting a virus into our economy.
ugh, Jan 28 2020
2nd post on the topic...
Damn....I was right even before Nancy was telling everyone to party in the streets of China Town, maybe you should listen to me more often.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2021 8:01 pm
by MDlaxfan76
youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:38 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 6:09 pm
youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:14 pm
I see the Chinese have decided to impose sanctions on us by inserting a virus into our economy.
ugh, Jan 28 2020
2nd post on the topic...
Damn....I was right even before Nancy was telling everyone to party in the streets of China Town, maybe you should listen to me more often.
way ahead of your time.
and Appeals Court allows Biden Admin to enforce vaccine mandate with large employers:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/17/politics ... index.html
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:53 am
by CU88
Part of her posting
December 17, 2021
Heather Cox Richardson
It was a year ago this week that Sandra Lindsay received the nation’s first coronavirus vaccine, and yet, the politicization of the vaccine means that Republicans, especially, are unvaccinated and vulnerable, and we are once again in a surge of the disease that, as of this week, has already killed more than 800,000 Americans by the official count. That’s more people than live in Atlanta and Pittsburgh combined.
Today, the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis released a report detailing the Trump administration's decision to abandon the idea of stopping the spread of Covid and instead embrace the idea of letting it spread freely until the U.S. achieved “herd immunity.” That idea was the pet theory of Dr. Scott Atlas, who joined the White House on August 10, 2020, after Trump saw him on the Fox News Channel.
The committee released an email from Dr. Deborah Birx, who served as the White House coronavirus response coordinator in 2020 and 2021 and who opposed the new policy. She wrote to refuse to participate in a “Medical Experts Roundtable” that would recommend herd immunity.
“I can’t be part of this with these people who believe in herd immunity and believe we are fine with only protecting the 1.5 [million] Americans in [long-term care facilities] and not the 80 [million] + with co-morbidities in the populations includ[ing] the unacceptable death toll among Native Americans, Hispanics and Blacks,” she wrote. “With our current mitigation scenario we end up near 300K by Christmas and 500K by the time we have [a] vaccine—close to the 600K live[s] lost with [the] 1918 Flu…. Without masks and social distancing in public and homes we end up with twice as many deaths—we are a very unhealthy nation with a lot of obesity etc.” She called those urging herd immunity “a fringe group without grounding in epidemics, public health or on the ground common sense experience.”
She offered to leave town rather than participate in the roundtable.
The committee also discovered evidence that the Trump administration had interfered with the recommendations of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), removing references to face coverings and suggestions to suspend choirs, for example, in order to avoid offending faith communities.
This afternoon, anchor Martha MacCallum of the Fox News Channel asked Dr. Robert Redfield, who directed the CDC when the coronavirus crisis broke out and continued to direct it until President Biden took office, to respond to the report. He essentially confirmed it and deflected his own responsibility for permitting the tampering with public health information onto the White House. He said that the agency was replaced by the White House coronavirus task force, which “limited the CDC’s ability to communicate effectively to the American public,” and said, “I was very disappointed in that.”
President Biden has fought an uphill battle to contain the pandemic in the face of right-wing opposition to public health measures: more than 90% of adult Democrats have gotten the vaccine, while only 60% of adult Republicans have. Conservative courts have blocked the Biden administration’s attempts to mandate coronavirus vaccines or frequent testing for federal contractors, health care workers, and companies that employ more than 100 people.
Today the Biden administration won a significant victory when the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals overturned a decision blocking the Occupational Safety and Health Administration from requiring vaccines or frequent testing for companies with more than 100 employees. For now, the requirement will stand, but its opponents say they will take their challenge to the Supreme Court.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2021 9:08 am
by Typical Lax Dad
CU88 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:53 am
Part of her posting
December 17, 2021
Heather Cox Richardson
It was a year ago this week that Sandra Lindsay received the nation’s first coronavirus vaccine, and yet, the politicization of the vaccine means that Republicans, especially, are unvaccinated and vulnerable, and we are once again in a surge of the disease that, as of this week, has already killed more than 800,000 Americans by the official count. That’s more people than live in Atlanta and Pittsburgh combined.
Today,
the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis released a report detailing the Trump administration's decision to abandon the idea of stopping the spread of Covid and instead embrace the idea of letting it spread freely until the U.S. achieved “herd immunity.” That idea was the pet theory of Dr. Scott Atlas, who joined the White House on August 10, 2020, after Trump saw him on the Fox News Channel.
The committee released an email from Dr. Deborah Birx, who served as the White House coronavirus response coordinator in 2020 and 2021 and who opposed the new policy. She wrote to refuse to participate in a “Medical Experts Roundtable” that would recommend herd immunity.
“I can’t be part of this with these people who believe in herd immunity and believe we are fine with only protecting the 1.5 [million] Americans in [long-term care facilities] and not the 80 [million] + with co-morbidities in the populations includ[ing] the unacceptable death toll among Native Americans, Hispanics and Blacks,” she wrote. “With our current mitigation scenario we end up near 300K by Christmas and 500K by the time we have [a] vaccine—close to the 600K live[s] lost with [the] 1918 Flu…. Without masks and social distancing in public and homes we end up with twice as many deaths—we are a very unhealthy nation with a lot of obesity etc.” She called those urging herd immunity “a fringe group without grounding in epidemics, public health or on the ground common sense experience.”
She offered to leave town rather than participate in the roundtable.
The committee also discovered evidence that
the Trump administration had interfered with the recommendations of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), removing references to face coverings and suggestions to suspend choirs, for example, in order to avoid offending faith communities.
This afternoon, anchor Martha MacCallum of the Fox News Channel asked Dr. Robert Redfield, who directed the CDC when the coronavirus crisis broke out and continued to direct it until President Biden took office, to respond to the report. He essentially confirmed it and deflected his own responsibility for permitting the tampering with public health information onto the White House. He said that
the agency was replaced by the White House coronavirus task force, which “limited the CDC’s ability to communicate effectively to the American public,” and said, “I was very disappointed in that.”
President Biden has fought an uphill battle to contain the pandemic in the face of right-wing opposition to public health measures: more than 90% of adult Democrats have gotten the vaccine, while only 60% of adult Republicans have. Conservative courts have blocked the Biden administration’s attempts to mandate coronavirus vaccines or frequent testing for federal contractors, health care workers, and companies that employ more than 100 people.
Today the Biden administration won a significant victory when the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals overturned a decision blocking the Occupational Safety and Health Administration from requiring vaccines or frequent testing for companies with more than 100 employees. For now, the requirement will stand, but its opponents say they will take their challenge to the Supreme Court.
Just awful people
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2021 9:09 am
by Typical Lax Dad
youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:38 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 6:09 pm
youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:14 pm
I see the Chinese have decided to impose sanctions on us by inserting a virus into our economy.
ugh, Jan 28 2020
2nd post on the topic...
Damn....I was right even before Nancy was telling everyone to party in the streets of China Town, maybe you should listen to me more often.
Who is keeping score……… not deez!
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2021 1:02 pm
by seacoaster
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2021 1:11 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2021 3:30 pm
by youthathletics
Curious....what do your spidey-senses think will happen if it heads to SCOTUS?
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2021 4:10 pm
by seacoaster
youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 3:30 pm
Curious....what do your spidey-senses think will happen if it heads to SCOTUS?
It’s increasingly hard to prognosticate with Gorsuch, who doesn’t appear to care about precedent.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2021 7:42 am
by Kismet
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/12 ... g-why.html
Excellent (albeit fairly technical) piece entitled "Gauteng’s Omicron Wave Is Already Peaking. Why?" from NY Mag on to-date behavior of Omicron variant with Trevor Bedford of Seattle’s Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center.
Might also check out this earlier article this week also on Omicron entitled "And Now for the Good News About Omicron"
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/12 ... icron.html
Bottom line - there is still a lot we don't know and our lack of testing resources is a large issue in determining exactly where we are right now.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:26 am
by seacoaster
seacoaster wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 4:10 pm
youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 3:30 pm
Curious....what do your spidey-senses think will happen if it heads to SCOTUS?
It’s increasingly hard to prognosticate with Gorsuch, who doesn’t appear to care about precedent.
YA, I apologize for the short, maybe snarky-looking response.
Here is the whole decision:
https://www.opn.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinio ... 87p-06.pdf
As you can see, the preamble states it starkly: we are in trouble, on new ground, and workplaces need to be safe to return Americans to their jobs safely. The court then runs through OSHA's statutory mandate, and turns to the Petitioners' -- the states etc., opposing the mandate (my own included) -- arguments and mows them down one by one. I cannot say or really guess on how the SCOTUS would or will rule without really digging into law and arguments. But the decision seems sound and well-reasoned.
Gibbons's brief concurrence, beginning at page 38 is a worthwhile read. She (Reagan appointee from Tennessee) talks about the limited role the courts should play in the development and effectuation of widespread policies affecting broad swaths of the populace. This is -- or was -- an absolutely central tenet of conservative legal thinking in all of my lifetime. We'll see if it catches the eye and brain of Gorsuch and Alito and Thomas, in particular, whose adventuring on the and from the bench is now a basic expectation among court watchers.
Interesting panel: three women; Reagan, Obama and Trump appointees. Trump appointee dissenting.
We shall soon see if the mandate survives.
Re: All things CoronaVirus
Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:52 am
by youthathletics
seacoaster wrote: ↑Sun Dec 19, 2021 8:26 am
seacoaster wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 4:10 pm
youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Dec 18, 2021 3:30 pm
Curious....what do your spidey-senses think will happen if it heads to SCOTUS?
It’s increasingly hard to prognosticate with Gorsuch, who doesn’t appear to care about precedent.
YA, I apologize for the short, maybe snarky-looking response.
Here is the whole decision:
https://www.opn.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinio ... 87p-06.pdf
As you can see, the preamble states it starkly: we are in trouble, on new ground, and workplaces need to be safe to return Americans to their jobs safely. The court then runs through OSHA's statutory mandate, and turns to the Petitioners' -- the states etc., opposing the mandate (my own included) -- arguments and mows them down one by one. I cannot say or really guess on how the SCOTUS would or will rule without really digging into law and arguments. But the decision seems sound and well-reasoned.
Gibbons's brief concurrence, beginning at page 38 is a worthwhile read. She (Reagan appointee from Tennessee) talks about the limited role the courts should play in the development and effectuation of widespread policies affecting broad swaths of the populace. This is -- or was -- an absolutely central tenet of conservative legal thinking in all of my lifetime. We'll see if it catches the eye and brain of Gorsuch and Alito and Thomas, in particular, whose adventuring on the and from the bench is now a basic expectation among court watchers.
Interesting panel: three women; Reagan, Obama and Trump appointees. Trump appointee dissenting.
We shall soon see if the mandate survives.
Thank you...did not interpret your post as snarky.
I like Larson's argument on page 39, seems more logical in nature, and as you say she "mowed down" the nuances, then locked in on "just the facts" as it relates to law.
Looked her up.....no wonder I like her, she worked for Scalia, so she may carry with her that originalists line of application.
