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Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:53 pm
by MDlaxfan76
Brooklyn wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:39 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:31 pm
Great, some native blood. But where did those other ancestors come from and in what era?
I assume various countries like most of us and not all in the same era, though some of us have ancestors only more recently.
Any of them speak languages other than English? worship differently than the majority in their state or in the country?
Any of them called dirty immigrants?
Were those who were called such "dumped" in "inner cities"?
Did they ultimately thrive and contribute to America?
I'm not interested in making this a discussion about myself. Suffice it to say that we've done our part to make this a better USA. But no, none of us have ever "thrived".
Not my intention to make it about you, personally.
Simply asking you and anyone else who describes immigrants as you have done a couple times now, to identify who your own ancestors were, how they were treated on arrival, what they went though to enable their descendants, like you, to go to the "greatest college"
, etc.
I've always been interested in the stories we each bring to how we got here, thanks to our ancestors, and how that shapes us today.
One of my favorite sessions in interfaith studies was a group of about 20 people studying together, with one of the first sessions being each of us in turn describing that story...fascinating, heart-wrenching at times, uplifting overall.
Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:56 pm
by Farfromgeneva
Brooklyn wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:36 pm
Telling people in the ghetto to suck it all up doesn't serve to build up anyone there. By taking away jobs, significantly reducing their wages, redirecting community resources to people who have never paid a cent in taxes, and repeating this process every year is no solution. All you are telling me is to keep this problem away from the suburbs. That solves absolutely nothing.
If that's in response to me I'd suggest you check your own biases because I never did and never would say the things your ascribing to me. Unless it's tied to a highly sarcastic comedic Youtube clip. If you read what I wrote I've lived in cities my entire adult life except a handful of months first moving to DC where I split time in NOVA between Centreville and Tysons Corner before settling into NW DC, then upper west and east side (not near the park on either side nor on the river) and now in Candler Park/Little five points after having an apt intiially near Gladys Knights Chicken and Waffles and the annual BET event. And I don't look like that audience one bit...Used to make friends with the tranny prostitutes at the edge of renaissance park there and we looked out for each other. I did little things as I got to know them and they kept the schizo tweakers who'd occasionally be ranting on meth in the park in check when I'd walk my little foo foo dogs there.
Nothing you wrote there is acutally how the world works today either. Clearly confusing outcomes with process/structure.
I'm all for changing incentive structures. That's different than top down command and control which is what you advocate for and basically completes the circle with the hard right authoritarian because it's not a different paradigm just a different position on the same one.
Again if that's for me then you're literally making things up in your head that have no basis in fact or reality on this topic and dicsussion. If it's to MD then never mind.
Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 1:47 pm
by Brooklyn
If it's to MD then never mind.
My post was directed to everybody and to nobody in particular. Sure as hell did not mean to offend your sensitive feelings.
But you and others have got to understand that merely repeating the same pattern of dumping millions of immigrants off in the ghettoes as has been done since the days of Reagan simply does not work. I have seen teens fighting on the streets because of this here in St Paul's West Side as blacks have fought with Asians and then with East Africans because of this practice with each side claiming they are not getting their proper piece of the pie. Sad to say, none of this ever hits the newspapers so you will never know of it.
Just look at that blurb I gave you from Chicago and you will see that others throughout the land are making the same complaint.* In fact, I saw a pro tRump march a while back where inner city people were making the same complaints of missing out on services because they were being directed towards others.
The present system is not working for us in the cities. It will never be fixed if the pattern remains unchanged. That's the bottom line.
* example = ''A 2018 Harvard-Harris poll also found that 85% of black Americans favour
reducing legal immigration, more than any other demographic - 54% chose the strictest options available, allowing fewer than 250,000 immigrants per year, or even say they want to no new immigrants at all.
In an article in the Los Angeles Times that same year, former diplomat Dave Seminara suggested this was because young black men in the US "often compete with recent immigrants for low-skilled jobs".
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54972389
Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 1:52 pm
by Farfromgeneva
Brooklyn wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 1:47 pm
If it's to MD then never mind.
My post was directed to everybody and to nobody in particular. Sure as hell did not mean to offend your sensitive feelings.
But you and others have got to understand that merely repeating the same pattern of dumping millions of immigrants off in the ghettoes as has been done since the days of Reagan simply does not work. I have seen teens fighting on the streets because of this here in St Paul's West Side as blacks have fought with Asians and then with East Africans because of this practice with each side claiming they are not getting their proper piece of the pie. Sad to say, none of this ever hits the newspapers so you will never know of it.
Just look at that blurb I gave you from Chicago and you will see that others throughout the land are making the same complaint.* In fact, I saw a pro tRump march a while back where inner city people were making the same complaints of missing out on services because they were being directed towards others.
The present system is not working for us in the cities. It will never be fixed if the pattern remains unchanged. That's the bottom line.
* example = ''A 2018 Harvard-Harris poll also found that 85% of black Americans favour
reducing legal immigration, more than any other demographic - 54% chose the strictest options available, allowing fewer than 250,000 immigrants per year, or even say they want to no new immigrants at all.
In an article in the Los Angeles Times that same year, former diplomat Dave Seminara suggested this was because young black men in the US "often compete with recent immigrants for low-skilled jobs".
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54972389
Sensitive? Back to bellicose. I can play that if you want. Be as ineffective as you are here if you want.
How do you conclude I don’t understand when you say “you and there have to understand”? Are you just yelling at clouds like Cradle all day and I’m giving you way way too much credit? As if I haven’t seen pretty much everything you have and more in the color tv era. Everything in my body of work here should demonstrate to anyone paying attention half as much as Cradle does that I understand internecine war within a cohort. Guess the Dead Prez references and so much else flew right over your head.
Action isn’t always better than inaction which is clearly at fore of your belief system. Regardless of improper incentive structures or thoughtless fast action and any intelligent consideration of second or third order effects which might murder any net benefits for your desired beneficiary/trasnferee
Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 3:22 pm
by Brooklyn
Action isn’t always better than inaction ...
Yeah, the "proof" is in the pudding.
Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 4:02 pm
by Farfromgeneva
So every incident where the choice is presented it’s 100% good to act and 0% positive to not act as soon as a problem is observed?
That makes so little sense and I’d expect more but that’s on you. I didn’t make the claims your made here.
Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2023 7:55 pm
by MDlaxfan76
Brooklyn, I asked some serious questions that you seem to be avoiding.
I think it would be useful for you to take an honest crack at them.
Geneva already did. Ireland nearly entirely
So...His Irish ancestors are undoubtedly among those who were called dirty immigrants and who lived in urban slums and who fought as gangs.
This has ever been PART of the immigrant story in America, and yet, people want to come here for those opportunities to make a better life than they left. Not a perfect one, but better.
What's your ancestry beyond whatever amount of indigenous background you have? Did some of your ancestors go through this?
Again, I believe a progressive tax system makes sense to support the process of whatever group in America to have as much opportunity to thrive as possible. Health care, public safety, education...these cost money, but the ROI to a more productive society is real.
On that front, I'm all ears...with the caveat that Geneva's right (if I'm capturing his points correctly) that getting the incentives right in the system is not always about doing more, sometimes it's about getting out of the way and letting people make their own choices.
Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?
Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 1:21 am
by Brooklyn
Brooklyn, I asked some serious questions that you seem to be avoiding.
I think it would be useful for you to take an honest crack at them.
I have absolutely no idea what the f****k you're driving at here but I'll give it a try.
Being of mixed ancestry my history goes back to Spain, France, West Africa, Florida, Cuba, Puerto Rico, and no doubt, other parts of the West Indies. Most of my ancestors came in slave ships where they were forced to eat animal excrement in order to survive. I have virtually no knowledge of extended family history and have no documentation to prove any part of our history other than the fact that all four of my grandparents names are listed on the roster of people persecuted by the Spanish Inquisition as per sephardim.co website.
My maternal grandfather was in the army during WW I. An uncle KIA in the Spanish civil war. My dad was in the South Pacific during WW II. Upon returning to Brooklyn he attempted to get a job as a dock worker but was told "we don't hire Spicks". Despite being a self taught scholar, he, like my polymath godfather were restricted to menial jobs (my godfather was so stricken by his unhappy fate that he became a drunk and died on skid row). Like them, I, too, am a scholar (though some may not be inclined to agree) but have been restricted to mostly low paid jobs (true, I was an IRS agent for some years but that was a terribly underpaid job). In my work as writer, editor, researcher I have made a lot of money (for others) but not so much for myself. Am retired now but never quite achieved the American dream.
Now, can you tell me, how does this in any way offer any kind of solution to the problems we are seeing in society today? How are you now elevated? How is anyone on this forum better off for knowing any of this? How do you know that what you have just read is even remotely true? I could have made this up and you wouldn't know it or even care.
Getting personal does not solve the problems of the world or of this society. It is so much better for people to offer meaningful solutions to the problem we have in this society and the world. I continually try to do so. Examples include the idea of a one state solution in Israel, the redirection of immigrants to the suburbs where they can be better accommodated and where they would not impose any burdens upon the underprivileged in the ghettoes, my affirmation of 2d Amendment rights in the city as protection against government abuses, the end to overseas tax shelters to relieve the national debt, and a few dozen more solutions to society's problems. More often than not, whenever I offer any such solutions they are met with skepticism and downright hostilities from members of the forum right wing whether here or on LP. OK, so you or others don't like those ideas. That's your right - but offer some alternatives rather than criticizing. Jumping off onto personalities does nothing, absolutely NOTHING, to create any form of constructivism to the exchanges we have here.
So, go ahead and show me how the forum has now benefited from my story.
Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?
Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 6:29 am
by Farfromgeneva
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 7:55 pm
Brooklyn, I asked some serious questions that you seem to be avoiding.
I think it would be useful for you to take an honest crack at them.
Geneva already did. Ireland nearly entirely
So...His Irish ancestors are undoubtedly among those who were called dirty immigrants and who lived in urban slums and who fought as gangs.
This has ever been PART of the immigrant story in America, and yet, people want to come here for those opportunities to make a better life than they left. Not a perfect one, but better.
What's your ancestry beyond whatever amount of indigenous background you have? Did some of your ancestors go through this?
Again, I believe a progressive tax system makes sense to support the process of whatever group in America to have as much opportunity to thrive as possible. Health care, public safety, education...these cost money, but the ROI to a more productive society is real.
On that front, I'm all ears...with the caveat that Geneva's right (if I'm capturing his points correctly) that getting the incentives right in the system is not always about doing more, sometimes it's about getting out of the way and letting people make their own choices.
Partly that and partly that concept of Iatrogenics I mention around here occasionally which is “harm caused by the healer” - this of every move made of consequence that wasn’t fully vetted let alone ones done without “breathing”. Time isn’t always in ones side and lest I be accused of dithering until the solution presents itself rather than a person of action I acknowledge the temporal aspect.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/iatrogenic
I’m kind of a don’t do much here. Support the Israeli side and people in general (unlike the guy who called me a misanthrope and yet speaks openly about preferring dogs over people - PROJECTION (or stupidity). Yes Hamas is terrible. Yes the Israeli people have deserved better, for like all of human history. But I think we can’t really get fully balls deep in this, should’ve supported Ukraine more and Israel less the last few decades it seems.
Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?
Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 6:44 am
by Farfromgeneva
Brooklyn wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2023 1:21 am
Brooklyn, I asked some serious questions that you seem to be avoiding.
I think it would be useful for you to take an honest crack at them.
I have absolutely no idea what the f****k you're driving at here but I'll give it a try.
Being of mixed ancestry my history goes back to Spain, France, West Africa, Florida, Cuba, Puerto Rico, and no doubt, other parts of the West Indies. Most of my ancestors came in slave ships where they were forced to eat animal excrement in order to survive. I have virtually no knowledge of extended family history and have no documentation to prove any part of our history other than the fact that all four of my grandparents names are listed on the roster of people persecuted by the Spanish Inquisition as per sephardim.co website.
My maternal grandfather was in the army during WW I. An uncle KIA in the Spanish civil war. My dad was in the South Pacific during WW II. Upon returning to Brooklyn he attempted to get a job as a dock worker but was told "we don't hire Spicks". Despite being a self taught scholar, he, like my polymath godfather were restricted to menial jobs (my godfather was so stricken by his unhappy fate that he became a drunk and died on skid row). Like them, I, too, am a scholar (though some may not be inclined to agree) but have been restricted to mostly low paid jobs (true, I was an IRS agent for some years but that was a terribly underpaid job). In my work as writer, editor, researcher I have made a lot of money (for others) but not so much for myself. Am retired now but never quite achieved the American dream.
Now, can you tell me, how does this in any way offer any kind of solution to the problems we are seeing in society today? How are you now elevated? How is anyone on this forum better off for knowing any of this? How do you know that what you have just read is even remotely true? I could have made this up and you wouldn't know it or even care.
Getting personal does not solve the problems of the world or of this society. It is so much better for people to offer meaningful solutions to the problem we have in this society and the world. I continually try to do so. Examples include the idea of a one state solution in Israel, the redirection of immigrants to the suburbs where they can be better accommodated and where they would not impose any burdens upon the underprivileged in the ghettoes, my affirmation of 2d Amendment rights in the city as protection against government abuses, the end to overseas tax shelters to relieve the national debt, and a few dozen more solutions to society's problems. More often than not, whenever I offer any such solutions they are met with skepticism and downright hostilities from members of the forum right wing whether here or on LP. OK, so you or others don't like those ideas. That's your right - but offer some alternatives rather than criticizing. Jumping off onto personalities does nothing, absolutely NOTHING, to create any form of constructivism to the exchanges we have here.
So, go ahead and show me how the forum has now benefited from my story.
I thought the inquisition ended in like 1820-1830 area, or first half of 1800s anyways. Something here is some long math even if there’s longevity inclined Mediterranean blood and diets involved. This feels more like Jitterbug Perfume stuff.
BTW, I’m a banker/finance professional with advanced degrees and have made easily no more than 1/10 of the revenue I’ve directly generated (not touched some papers and claimed to work on a deal like many in my world). It happens all over not just your world. And recently solo without a team, business card, the authority of govt or anything else. That’s called life (despite the model for financial services that are labor intensive rather than balance sheet is supposed to be 30-45% but unless you have a good “rabbi” bosses always skim and redirect revenue allocations when and where they can to the “house” which they benefit from but you don’t.
I find the victim like language of restricted in your case to be questionable. You sure you didn’t burn bridges around others and disincentivize people to assist you (which we all need professionally at some point)? I’ve seen it a lot and seen the personality type so the question is very fair noting I only see your online Superman persona not the reality.
Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?
Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 6:52 am
by Farfromgeneva
Brooklyn wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2023 1:21 am
Brooklyn, I asked some serious questions that you seem to be avoiding.
I think it would be useful for you to take an honest crack at them.
I have absolutely no idea what the f****k you're driving at here but I'll give it a try.
Being of mixed ancestry my history goes back to Spain, France, West Africa, Florida, Cuba, Puerto Rico, and no doubt, other parts of the West Indies. Most of my ancestors came in slave ships where they were forced to eat animal excrement in order to survive. I have virtually no knowledge of extended family history and have no documentation to prove any part of our history other than the fact that all four of my grandparents names are listed on the roster of people persecuted by the Spanish Inquisition as per sephardim.co website.
My maternal grandfather was in the army during WW I. An uncle KIA in the Spanish civil war. My dad was in the South Pacific during WW II. Upon returning to Brooklyn he attempted to get a job as a dock worker but was told "we don't hire Spicks". Despite being a self taught scholar, he, like my polymath godfather were restricted to menial jobs (my godfather was so stricken by his unhappy fate that he became a drunk and died on skid row). Like them, I, too, am a scholar (though some may not be inclined to agree) but have been restricted to mostly low paid jobs (true, I was an IRS agent for some years but that was a terribly underpaid job). In my work as writer, editor, researcher I have made a lot of money (for others) but not so much for myself. Am retired now but never quite achieved the American dream.
Now, can you tell me, how does this in any way offer any kind of solution to the problems we are seeing in society today? How are you now elevated? How is anyone on this forum better off for knowing any of this? How do you know that what you have just read is even remotely true? I could have made this up and you wouldn't know it or even care.
Getting personal does not solve the problems of the world or of this society. It is so much better for people to offer meaningful solutions to the problem we have in this society and the world. I continually try to do so. Examples include the idea of a one state solution in Israel, the redirection of immigrants to the suburbs where they can be better accommodated and where they would not impose any burdens upon the underprivileged in the ghettoes, my affirmation of 2d Amendment rights in the city as protection against government abuses, the end to overseas tax shelters to relieve the national debt, and a few dozen more solutions to society's problems. More often than not, whenever I offer any such solutions they are met with skepticism and downright hostilities from members of the forum right wing whether here or on LP. OK, so you or others don't like those ideas. That's your right - but offer some alternatives rather than criticizing. Jumping off onto personalities does nothing, absolutely NOTHING, to create any form of constructivism to the exchanges we have here.
So, go ahead and show me how the forum has now benefited from my story.
Finding a higher truth is enhanced by understanding contextual relevance. There is absolutely logic in the inquiry.
How much value is of debate but accretive yes.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/iatrogenic
Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?
Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:32 am
by Brooklyn
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2023 6:44 am
I find the victim like language of restricted in your case to be questionable. You sure you didn’t burn bridges around others and disincentivize people to assist you (which we all need professionally at some point)? I’ve seen it a lot and seen the personality type so the question is very fair noting I only see your online Superman persona not the reality.
Actually, I wasn't even remotely interested in your personal history but thanks for sharing it just the same. I'm sure MD is now highly enlightened and his path in life is more readily illuminated as a result of your disclosure.
However, I'm glad to know your path in life has not been similarly made any brighter by my history as that is what I told MD. I'm sure he'll now appreciate that my prediction that such talk only serves as a useless distraction and adds absolutely nothing to the exchange. That no solution to society's problems can possibly be gleaned from such worthless revelations. However, if he feels that such personal histories facilitate another's path (especially his) to the highest possible plains of Nirvana, well then I'm glad for him.
We'll see what he has to say about all that.
Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?
Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:37 am
by youthathletics
Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?
Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 4:18 pm
by Farfromgeneva
Brooklyn wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2023 10:32 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2023 6:44 am
I find the victim like language of restricted in your case to be questionable. You sure you didn’t burn bridges around others and disincentivize people to assist you (which we all need professionally at some point)? I’ve seen it a lot and seen the personality type so the question is very fair noting I only see your online Superman persona not the reality.
Actually, I wasn't even remotely interested in your personal history but thanks for sharing it just the same. I'm sure MD is now highly enlightened and his path in life is more readily illuminated as a result of your disclosure.
However, I'm glad to know your path in life has not been similarly made any brighter by my history as that is what I told MD. I'm sure he'll now appreciate that my prediction that such talk only serves as a useless distraction and adds absolutely nothing to the exchange. That no solution to society's problems can possibly be gleaned from such worthless revelations. However, if he feels that such personal histories facilitate another's path (especially his) to the highest possible plains of Nirvana, well then I'm glad for him.
We'll see what he has to say about all that.
So you've answered it anyways. All good not everyone is capable of working with others or in team efforts.
But youve volunteered your work as IRS agent, college and where you grew up, how tough it is, bomb the general interest stuff with your interests and shared unsolicited that you dont' have certain insurance. And obviously that greatest college in the world didnt teach you consistency...
There is value in contextual relevance whether you understand it or not. Either accomodate or dont but why be such a biyach about it? Like "f**k you I dont like A or B so I'm goiing to piss on your leg and answer C" followed by "why doesn't everyone agree with me because I came so strong with my lack of cooperation????"
Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?
Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 4:19 pm
by Farfromgeneva
I got a few interesting takes from drunkards in CNY last week too! What a coincidence.
Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?
Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2023 5:46 pm
by Brooklyn
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2023 4:18 pm
So you've answered it anyways. All good not everyone is capable of working with others or in team efforts.
But youve volunteered your work as IRS agent, college and where you grew up, how tough it is, bomb the general interest stuff with your interests and shared unsolicited that you dont' have certain insurance. And obviously that greatest college in the world didnt teach you consistency...
There is value in contextual relevance whether you understand it or not. Either accomodate or dont but why be such a biyach about it? Like "f**k you I dont like A or B so I'm goiing to tick on your leg and answer C" followed by "why doesn't everyone agree with me because I came so strong with my lack of cooperation????"
Yeah I answered it but still don't know how or why such illuminations are going to enhance your life or that of anyone else. Meantime we've wasted these posts on irrelevancies rather than in constructivism which could lead to possible solutions to society's problems.
Next ...
Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?
Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:31 am
by Farfromgeneva
Brooklyn wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2023 5:46 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2023 4:18 pm
So you've answered it anyways. All good not everyone is capable of working with others or in team efforts.
But youve volunteered your work as IRS agent, college and where you grew up, how tough it is, bomb the general interest stuff with your interests and shared unsolicited that you dont' have certain insurance. And obviously that greatest college in the world didnt teach you consistency...
There is value in contextual relevance whether you understand it or not. Either accomodate or dont but why be such a biyach about it? Like "f**k you I dont like A or B so I'm goiing to tick on your leg and answer C" followed by "why doesn't everyone agree with me because I came so strong with my lack of cooperation????"
Yeah I answered it but still don't know how or why such illuminations are going to enhance your life or that of anyone else. Meantime we've wasted these posts on irrelevancies rather than in constructivism which could lead to possible solutions to society's problems.
Next ...
Well you can’t understand productivity if you think your approach as reflected here is constructive. No more constructive and probably less than what MD is trying to understand. He may be stuck in Xenos paradox of effort with everyone but that’s still more constructive.
Your position is it’s bad or wrong if you don’t agree or understand. And not trying to understand, read some Husserl for example, isn’t the other persons fault when you respond.
But it is ic sister with blaming others for you not getting what you thoug you deserved professionally. When I got clipped for around $275k in owed bonus money over two years I quit without another job lined up. I had a contract-base salary and annual comp = 40% of revenue generated, my signatures were on cap markers docs and the clients put my name in public for assisting them and so I took action and can still argue (or theoretically take them to court but suing an employee in my world for any less than a few million bucks is asking to find a new profession). And I wouldn’t even make the claim about not getting my share without someone asking Mike you did a couple of posts before your biyach-a** reply to me on sharing which actually made sense at the time.
Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?
Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 11:32 am
by Brooklyn
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 7:31 am
Well you can’t understand productivity if you think your approach as reflected here is constructive. No more constructive and probably less than what MD is trying to understand. He may be stuck in Xenos paradox of effort with everyone but that’s still more constructive.
Never said my reply was constructive. On the contrary, I said that such nonsense serves no purpose other than to distract from the real issues here and the possibility of presenting solutions to society's problems. However, if you feel that you have been enlightened and have now gotten any epiphany or reached the very pinnacle of Nirvana as a result of my personal disclosures, kudos to you. I only hope that MD has as well.
Now, let's get back to the issues.
Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:15 pm
by youthathletics
Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2023 4:19 pm
I got a few interesting takes from drunkards in CNY last week too! What a coincidence.
Where they also Ministers of foreign affairs of a country?
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CylOPyHt ... BiNWFlZA==
Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?
Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2023 10:14 pm
by MDlaxfan76
Brooklyn wrote: ↑Thu Oct 19, 2023 1:21 am
Brooklyn, I asked some serious questions that you seem to be avoiding.
I think it would be useful for you to take an honest crack at them.
I have absolutely no idea what the f****k you're driving at here but I'll give it a try.
Being of mixed ancestry my history goes back to Spain, France, West Africa, Florida, Cuba, Puerto Rico, and no doubt, other parts of the West Indies. Most of my ancestors came in slave ships where they were forced to eat animal excrement in order to survive. I have virtually no knowledge of extended family history and have no documentation to prove any part of our history other than the fact that all four of my grandparents names are listed on the roster of people persecuted by the Spanish Inquisition as per sephardim.co website.
My maternal grandfather was in the army during WW I. An uncle KIA in the Spanish civil war. My dad was in the South Pacific during WW II. Upon returning to Brooklyn he attempted to get a job as a dock worker but was told "we don't hire Spicks". Despite being a self taught scholar, he, like my polymath godfather were restricted to menial jobs (my godfather was so stricken by his unhappy fate that he became a drunk and died on skid row). Like them, I, too, am a scholar (though some may not be inclined to agree) but have been restricted to mostly low paid jobs (true, I was an IRS agent for some years but that was a terribly underpaid job). In my work as writer, editor, researcher I have made a lot of money (for others) but not so much for myself. Am retired now but never quite achieved the American dream.
Now, can you tell me, how does this in any way offer any kind of solution to the problems we are seeing in society today? How are you now elevated? How is anyone on this forum better off for knowing any of this? How do you know that what you have just read is even remotely true? I could have made this up and you wouldn't know it or even care.
Getting personal does not solve the problems of the world or of this society. It is so much better for people to offer meaningful solutions to the problem we have in this society and the world. I continually try to do so. Examples include the idea of a one state solution in Israel, the redirection of immigrants to the suburbs where they can be better accommodated and where they would not impose any burdens upon the underprivileged in the ghettoes, my affirmation of 2d Amendment rights in the city as protection against government abuses, the end to overseas tax shelters to relieve the national debt, and a few dozen more solutions to society's problems. More often than not, whenever I offer any such solutions they are met with skepticism and downright hostilities from members of the forum right wing whether here or on LP. OK, so you or others don't like those ideas. That's your right - but offer some alternatives rather than criticizing. Jumping off onto personalities does nothing, absolutely NOTHING, to create any form of constructivism to the exchanges we have here.
So, go ahead and show me how the forum has now benefited from my story.
I wasn't looking for any blinding insights into what drives your ideological perspective, but I did find it interesting, for sure.
How do I know it's true? I give all posters here the benefit of the doubt as to their truthfulness, no reason to not extend the same trust to you.
What I had been wondering was whether any of your ancestors had come to America as immigrants and, if so, were they like so many millions of other immigrants over many generations of such in America, "dumped in ghettoes". You suggested that this has been happening
since Reagan, so I wondered whether you understood the history of most immigrants having been through similar experiences. Most immigrants were certainly not welcomed warmly by predecessor 'native' Americans and by that I don't mean "First Americans".
Sounds like a big chunk of your ancestry suffered slavery, even worse than the common immigrant experience we've been discussing in this particular thread. Tough way to get here, to say the least.
I was a little puzzled by your reference to all four grandparents being listed as victims of the Spanish Inquisition as Sephardic Jews (forced to convert to Catholicism?) But I assume you simply meant that their surnames are listed...that obviously needn't mean your ancestors in specific were persecuted, but at least someone with the same surname was...certainly interesting. I dunno how many others on here have a similar background.
Also sounds like some of your family members endured various types of bigotry, whether as first or second or third generation immigrants...
I have no opinion about why you didn't find a lot of economic success personally despite your academic background and bent...certainly you were at least in the potential pool of educated folks who
could have been more successful than their parents...if you have an opinion as to why you specifically didn't achieve more success, feel free to share it. But I'm doubting it's because immigrants have been invading our shores...