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Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:23 am
by WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus
No.

Mount St. Mary’s.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:01 am
by 51percentcorn
jhu06 wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 1:41 pm But at a certain point the school has to be able to say, you know what, if baseball teams run by jocks with high school educations from foreign lands can fly players around the country all summer safely and get grown men on board then the worlds leading medical and research institution can find a way for 60 18-22 year old boys and staff to play lacrosse and get an elite global education.
-Our rivals are going to play and the question is going to be punted back to the administration, how can the rest of d1 figure this out but YOU can't. You would think that other schools, cities, nations would be looking to us and probably already are to understand how to make this possible.
-someone smart will look up past pandemics and when Hopkins lacrosse had seasons and see what they did.
-51 you're right. Maryland couldn't hydrate its players so one died, notre dame thought it was smart to put a kid up on a 30 foot tall camera stand in a windstorm to videotape some practice and he died, we know about penn state, we know about 6 figure paid trainers at iowa and the student athletes whose parents aren't given the resources to watch their sons play in bowl games, we know about the north carolina tutoring stuff, there isn't enough kids and staff first mentality all the time in college sports. Homewood can do this. If it wants to.
Last point first - you're suggesting because other institutions made horrible decisions that gives Johns Hopkins the license to potentially do the same? I guess I know what you would do if Johnny jumped off the bridge. That may be the single most outrageous statement you've made and that's saying something. Second, you do not know with any certainty that all these other schools are going to play - they may have said they want to or will play but February/March is still 4 to 5 months away and things are getting worse not better in terms of the pandemic. Third, you act like things have gone so smoothly in other sports that it's ridiculous Hopkins isn't playing fall ball at the Roland Park Senior Citizens Center. Baseball teetered on the brink after the Marlins/Phillies etc. had to cancel a bunch of games - The NFL has seen games postponed and high profile players sidelined, the University of Florida will not be playing football this week-end and we all know now how Nick Saban feels about this - now there's an empathetic package. The model that has worked the best is what the NBA and NHL did (and pro lacrosse for that matter) - shrink the number of teams - go immediately into play-offs and keep everybody at one or two bubbles.

The job of a University president and an administration boils down to two things - money and liability (which translates into money). You think the President of Penn State/Ohio State/Michigan/North Carolina etc. even knows the school plays lacrosse? They will cancel the season in a New York minute balancing a non revenue sport against the liability if a player gets really sick or dies or somehow you contact trace a team or game as a spread event. Oh it can't happen to a lacrosse athlete correct? Tell that to Jack Allard (2 X AA) of Bates - only 26 - who almost died from the virus - I believe he went on a ventilator - his progress was tracked on fanlax.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:20 am
by HopFan16
Drcthru wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:18 am Would it have been wise to keep Petro and Dawn for two years to get their sons?
If you come to the conclusion that the program needs a change—which they clearly did—then keeping the staff around solely because they have talented sons entering college in a few years would be extremely unwise IMO, yes. That basically locks you into the staff through at least 2026 because you're probably not going to fire them while their kids are at the school. The timing was slightly ironic to be sure but two or three kids no matter how talented were not likely going to change things. Proponents of the new regime could easily argue that any theoretical loss of talent in this '22 class would be vastly outweighed by the potential improvements in player development, team culture, etc. They may not have landed the flashy legacy name but the net gain may still be markedly higher. It's a longterm hire—you should be thinking about the next two decades, not the next four years.
jhu06 wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:06 pm Well the players, their parents and alumni who care about the team are part of that community and when the rest of the conference and the rivals can figure it out and the school won't try it says that they're not interested in all parts of the community.
You're going off the deep end again with this bold/italicized stuff—as 51 pointed out, it's October, no decisions have been made by us or anyone else as to if or how the D1 men's lacrosse season will be played in the spring. Can we at least save the handwringing until there is something to handwring about?

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:17 pm
by WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus
Regime change.

I’ll tell you one basic thing:

When this team takes the field, whenever that might be, it will come along with much more excitement and hope than seen in over ten years.

Taking the field - with Fire.

Taking the field - with Desire.

Taking the field - with confidence that you can routinely beat the Towsons and Mount St. Mary’s.

Taking the field - and being highly competitive against top teams again instead of looking like Christians being fed to Tigers.

Taking the field - and if falling behind - having some capability and confidence in both offense and defense to mount a comeback instead of outright cluelessness and getting blown out.

Taking the field - and representing Hopkins Lacrosse.

Win or lose, with excitement and without embarrassment.

Represent.

Hopkins Lacrosse.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:19 pm
by flalax22
WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:17 pm Regime change.

I’ll tell you one basic thing:

When this team takes the field, whenever that might be, it will come along with much more excitement and hope than seen in over ten years.

Taking the field - with Fire.

Taking the field - with Desire.

Taking the field - with confidence that you can routinely beat the Towsons and Mount St. Mary’s.

Taking the field - and being highly competitive against top teams again instead of looking like Christians being fed to Tigers.

Taking the field - and if falling behind - having some capability and confidence in both offense and defense to mount a comeback instead of outright cluelessness and getting blown out.

Taking the field - and representing Hopkins Lacrosse.

Win or lose, with excitement and without embarrassment.

Represent.

Hopkins Lacrosse.
I’m looking forward to a team that isn’t tight as a drum and scared to make mistakes.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:34 pm
by WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus
flalax22 wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:19 pm
WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:17 pm Regime change.

I’ll tell you one basic thing:

When this team takes the field, whenever that might be, it will come along with much more excitement and hope than seen in over ten years.

Taking the field - with Fire.

Taking the field - with Desire.

Taking the field - with confidence that you can routinely beat the Towsons and Mount St. Mary’s.

Taking the field - and being highly competitive against top teams again instead of looking like Christians being fed to Tigers.

Taking the field - and if falling behind - having some capability and confidence in both offense and defense to mount a comeback instead of outright cluelessness and getting blown out.

Taking the field - and representing Hopkins Lacrosse.

Win or lose, with excitement and without embarrassment.

Represent.

Hopkins Lacrosse.
I’m looking forward to a team that isn’t tight as a drum and scared to make mistakes.
+1

And no rabbit ears.

Have fun.

And execute with extreme prejudice.

A prejudice TO WIN.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:52 pm
by WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus
Before anyone goes ape excrement, that was meant to be a partial Apocalypse Now quote.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:14 pm
by jhu06
-Those of us who live in cities-where you can't just hide from the disease in a leafy suburb/farm/mountain, who don't read twitter, watch cable news, talk radio, avoid histrionics in our lives except for calls with our mothers about aunts/uncles and posting on lacrosse message boards, or the blowhards in the streets, have been living with this disease in our everyday presence for 9 months. Wear a mask everywhere outside the home, wash your hands, avoid public spaces, bingo. The university has 9 months now of lessons to know how to make this this happen plus the best minds on the planet. It's time to lead from the front. to show the rest of the world how to live under the disease. The marlins got corona, nfl teams got corona, I know pjs got wild back in the day, but fellas, despite WOMBATs dreams, homewood isn't miami. Hopkins lacrosse players don't have the arrest filled offseasons nfl players have. To most kids at other schools we're byu with mcat study books instead of bibles.

-the b1g is full systems go for football, hockey and spring championship sports.

-my larger problem w/the university is that the administration has been bullied by a new generation of external and internal actors into a mindset that the the present and past of the university are some sort of fascist trumpian Hopkins and they think it's their mission to take that fight to any alumni, frats, and part of the school they deem to be just that. FYI on my alumni list for donations for my class most of the donors were athletes or greek life ppl. It's right there in the way they and the people they've hired lately talk about alumni and the hopkins community. Lacrosse is an essential part of the school, our rivals planning to play, we have the means to make it happen and I suspect they won't because the people who run the athletic department and the university view the team, the former players and alumni like me as a part of the school they don't care about.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:28 pm
by Henpecked
WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:17 pm
Taking the field - and being highly competitive against top teams again instead of looking like Christians being fed to Tigers.

I think the Christians were actually fed to Lions. But what the hell do I know? I wasn't there.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:10 pm
by WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus
Henpecked wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:28 pm
WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:17 pm
Taking the field - and being highly competitive against top teams again instead of looking like Christians being fed to Tigers.

I think the Christians were actually fed to Lions. But what the hell do I know? I wasn't there.
I don’t think Hopkins plays any Lions, so I rewrote history to say Tigers.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:17 pm
by FannOLax
Nittany Lions.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:01 pm
by WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus
FannOLax wrote: Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:17 pm Nittany Lions.
Johnny come lately-s. And pedophile worshippers. Bleh.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:43 am
by WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus
So, today’s target for ridicule is Cornell:

https://cornellsun.com/2020/10/14/engli ... n-english/

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:14 pm
by HopFan16
This is probably the most "fall ball" we're going to get:

Several offensive players training together in Baltimore. Can't tell who everyone is but definitely see Epstein, Grimes, DeSimone, Baskin, Shilling, among several others. Grimes is huge. Epstein looks pretty healthy.

https://www.instagram.com/stories/highl ... 059/?hl=en
https://www.instagram.com/p/CGV-T-2BFOc/

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:18 pm
by 44WeWantMore
WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:43 am So, today’s target for ridicule is Cornell:

https://cornellsun.com/2020/10/14/engli ... n-english/
Hold my beer.

Of course, if there is a 2021 season and JHU makes the playoffs and is competitive there, we will might have to pick a new target for ridicule.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:58 pm
by flalax22
HopFan16 wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:14 pm This is probably the most "fall ball" we're going to get:

Several offensive players training together in Baltimore. Can't tell who everyone is but definitely see Epstein, Grimes, DeSimone, Baskin, Shilling, among several others. Grimes is huge. Epstein looks pretty healthy.

https://www.instagram.com/stories/highl ... 059/?hl=en
https://www.instagram.com/p/CGV-T-2BFOc/
Oh Grimes looks like a problem!!

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:28 pm
by HopFan16
flalax22 wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:58 pm
HopFan16 wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 12:14 pm This is probably the most "fall ball" we're going to get:

Several offensive players training together in Baltimore. Can't tell who everyone is but definitely see Epstein, Grimes, DeSimone, Baskin, Shilling, among several others. Grimes is huge. Epstein looks pretty healthy.

https://www.instagram.com/stories/highl ... 059/?hl=en
https://www.instagram.com/p/CGV-T-2BFOc/
Oh Grimes looks like a problem!!
I knew he was big but he dwarfs these other kids. Basically a clone of Williams

So I was wondering who the guy in the dark gray shirt and chrome Jays helmet was because he looked pretty explosive to me and it turns out it's Jack Keogh. Appears to not only be all the way back from the knee injury but also may have added some muscle

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:08 pm
by nyjay

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:32 pm
by Unknown Participant
nyjay wrote: Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:08 pm Interesting article: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... ns/616474/
Interesting, yes. How about just be smart, dedicated and serious and earn your way in FFS? Am I missing something here? And, also, the Atlantic is a propaganda rag of the first degree.

Re: Johns Hopkins 2021

Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:33 pm
by nyjay
Agree vis a vis the Atlantic (RIP Michael Kelly). But the point is that it is all just a game. And this is how rich white kids feel they have to play it. Either this or “service trips” to Haiti.

I have a junior in HS, gets great grades (all A’s), takes hard classes (4 APs this year), goes to a very well respected HS, both parents (from modest backgrounds) went to JHU and Ivy graduate programs, he’ll play two varsity sports, and I’m currently thinking I’d be very happy if he goes to, I dunno, Lehigh. But we’re wealthy white folk. The college admissions system is deeply messed up. And this is what it breeds.