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get it to x wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:44 am

Bart wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:23 am

get it to x wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:01 am

jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:16 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:30 am Goodness gracious: https://fox17.com/news/nation-world/fda ... ccine-data

FDA says it needs 55 years to release Pfizer vaccine data

... you might want to consider this is a Faux News story, with an interest it making it look as bad as they can.

Also to be considered are the special requirements to protect industry proprietary information imposed on the FDA, NIH, CDC, etc. Industry owners of the information will be given a chance to review anything the government believes is appropriate for release. This request is also competing for attention of the same staff with more manageable requests. I would guess the government gave a response based on average processing time per page, including historical delays in communication between agency and industry.

Feel free to point out any falsehoods in the FOX News story. What is "faux"? Faux is having to re-define vaccines. Dismiss the attached article, but why are we not asking if vaccinating during a pandemic is leading to dangerous mutations and prolonging the pandemic?

https://www.americanthinker.com/article ... rking.html

What drives mutations is not vaccination but the opportunity to replicate. Could some of these replications confer an epitope that will evade vaccination? Certainly. Could these replications confer an epitope that will be more dangerous? Yes. But in order to any mutation you must need replication.....it is a simple numbers game. The presence of vaccination does not lead to either increased likely hood of adverse dangerous mutations or not. What does is the unfettered proliferation of the virus.

As to the good Dr.s idea that the vaccine is not working. It is not sterilizing vaccination, that is certainly correct and was, imo, bad messaging regarding the original idea of the vaccine. Some vaccines are sterilizing but many are not. It appears however that the vaccination status is working in regards to keeping people from dying.

Thanks for your reasoned response, as opposed to some who just make gratuitously personal comments without doing research. Many even write off acquired immunity. I had Covid in October 2020, and in spite of having the most heavily corelated co-morbidities I was sick for two days with mild to moderate symptoms. I didn't take Hydroxycloroquine, Ivermectin or any other therapeutic. I have been taking C, D and Zinc every day for the last ten years. I also rarely get sick. I feel I have been blessed with a robust immune system, but I am not naive enough to think I am invincible. This vaccine was rushed into emergency use and it seems to me those that have benefited the most, whether it is the accrual of money or power, are the most reluctant to admit it isn't the Holy Grail of cures.

Certitude can be dangerous, as a very cocksure Dr. Fauci has had to change his story more than a few times regarding masks and vaccines. Also, the total lack of respect for people who are hesitant to vaccinate is troubling. My understanding is that viruses are constantly mutating and have a history of weakening in order to survive. What is the objection to nature taking it's course and protecting the vulnerable? This isn't smallpox or ebola, just a nasty respiratory virus, especially for certain, well defined segments of the population.

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:10 am The basic problem with "acquired" immunity - coming from a case of COVID, is that there does not seem to be enough consistent data to predict whether one who has this sort of immunity is actually well or marginally protected (seems to depend on how mild a case one has), nor how long the immunity lasts. Getting the vaccination, even when having a prior case, becomes a useful means of insuring a high level of protection.

Yes, the vaccine emergency approval was pushed as fast as it could be, and some steps that may have been serial in the approval process became more parallel to do that. But the safety record of the vaccines so far has been probably better than can be expected, especially for the m-RNA vaccines. We now have more than a year of good data on safety for a portion of the population, and at least a half year for adults of all ages...

Vaccine hesitancy has built up more recent history for mostly bad reasons - a great example is the association of autism diagnoses with thimerosol containing vaccines, which has been shown to be an extreme case of academic/scientific fraud. Yes, there are side effects of vaccines, and occasionally horrible outcomes - but the risk of these has been repeatedly shown to be far less than the risk of not being vaccinated.

This hits personally, because I have one brother who refuses to get vaccinated because he had a relatively mild case of COVID last March. My 88 year old parents (vaccinated and boosted) were directly told by their family physician to not attend gatherings at his house, where Thanksgiving was initially scheduled to be held. So we now have a split Thanksgiving, with some at my house (including two of his three children), and some at his.

His objections are primarily driven by the current RW media obsession with pushing personal rights to refuse to get vaccinated which seems to be a very cynical ploy to drive up anger at the expense of actual lives. Note that to work for example at Fox News you need to be vaccinated. To attend a live taping - same as well. But the opinion hosts drive the message (backed by a lot of misinterpretations of science) that it is almost honorable to refuse a vaccine. And question its safety with bogus arguments...

get it to x wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:30 am

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:10 am The basic problem with "acquired" immunity - coming from a case of COVID, is that there does not seem to be enough consistent data to predict whether one who has this sort of immunity is actually well or marginally protected (seems to depend on how mild a case one has), nor how long the immunity lasts. Getting the vaccination, even when having a prior case, becomes a useful means of insuring a high level of protection.

Yes, the vaccine emergency approval was pushed as fast as it could be, and some steps that may have been serial in the approval process became more parallel to do that. But the safety record of the vaccines so far has been probably better than can be expected, especially for the m-RNA vaccines. We now have more than a year of good data on safety for a portion of the population, and at least a half year for adults of all ages...

Vaccine hesitancy has built up more recent history for mostly bad reasons - a great example is the association of autism diagnoses with thimerosol containing vaccines, which has been shown to be an extreme case of academic/scientific fraud. Yes, there are side effects of vaccines, and occasionally horrible outcomes - but the risk of these has been repeatedly shown to be far less than the risk of not being vaccinated.

This hits personally, because I have one brother who refuses to get vaccinated because he had a relatively mild case of COVID last March. My 88 year old parents (vaccinated and boosted) were directly told by their family physician to not attend gatherings at his house, where Thanksgiving was initially scheduled to be held. So we now have a split Thanksgiving, with some at my house (including two of his three children), and some at his.

His objections are primarily driven by the current RW media obsession with pushing personal rights to refuse to get vaccinated which seems to be a very cynical ploy to drive up anger at the expense of actual lives. Note that to work for example at Fox News you need to be vaccinated. To attend a live taping - same as well. But the opinion hosts drive the message (backed by a lot of misinterpretations of science) that it is almost honorable to refuse a vaccine. And question its safety with bogus arguments...

My wife (who recently had a valve replacement) and my 33 year old Autistic son (who lives with us) have both been fully vaccinated. I never once tried to talk them out of getting the vaccine, even though there have been numerous reports of people way healthier than me having adverse reactions to the m-RNA vaccines, including death. My wife also never tried to talk me into getting the jab. In addition, the vaccinated can be infected with the virus and become as contagious as a non vaccinated person, so my only benefit would be to perhaps have it somewhat mitigate my symptoms or nominally increase my chances of avoiding the ventilator. My wife is a nurse, and trust me, at the first sign of symptoms, I am getting tested, and if positive, treated.

Anyone who watches pharmaceutical commercials knows the side effects of all of these meds, whether for psoriatic arthritis, MS, cancer treatments, etc. Yet we get no disclaimer on the vaccine, mainly because the government gave them immunity, unlike medical immunity for those that were treated.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:38 am

get it to x wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:30 am

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:10 am The basic problem with "acquired" immunity - coming from a case of COVID, is that there does not seem to be enough consistent data to predict whether one who has this sort of immunity is actually well or marginally protected (seems to depend on how mild a case one has), nor how long the immunity lasts. Getting the vaccination, even when having a prior case, becomes a useful means of insuring a high level of protection.

Yes, the vaccine emergency approval was pushed as fast as it could be, and some steps that may have been serial in the approval process became more parallel to do that. But the safety record of the vaccines so far has been probably better than can be expected, especially for the m-RNA vaccines. We now have more than a year of good data on safety for a portion of the population, and at least a half year for adults of all ages...

Vaccine hesitancy has built up more recent history for mostly bad reasons - a great example is the association of autism diagnoses with thimerosol containing vaccines, which has been shown to be an extreme case of academic/scientific fraud. Yes, there are side effects of vaccines, and occasionally horrible outcomes - but the risk of these has been repeatedly shown to be far less than the risk of not being vaccinated.

This hits personally, because I have one brother who refuses to get vaccinated because he had a relatively mild case of COVID last March. My 88 year old parents (vaccinated and boosted) were directly told by their family physician to not attend gatherings at his house, where Thanksgiving was initially scheduled to be held. So we now have a split Thanksgiving, with some at my house (including two of his three children), and some at his.

His objections are primarily driven by the current RW media obsession with pushing personal rights to refuse to get vaccinated which seems to be a very cynical ploy to drive up anger at the expense of actual lives. Note that to work for example at Fox News you need to be vaccinated. To attend a live taping - same as well. But the opinion hosts drive the message (backed by a lot of misinterpretations of science) that it is almost honorable to refuse a vaccine. And question its safety with bogus arguments...

My wife (who recently had a valve replacement) and my 33 year old Autistic son (who lives with us) have both been fully vaccinated. I never once tried to talk them out of getting the vaccine, even though there have been numerous reports of people way healthier than me having adverse reactions to the m-RNA vaccines, including death. My wife also never tried to talk me into getting the jab. In addition, the vaccinated can be infected with the virus and become as contagious as a non vaccinated person, so my only benefit would be to perhaps have it somewhat mitigate my symptoms or nominally increase my chances of avoiding the ventilator. My wife is a nurse, and trust me, at the first sign of symptoms, I am getting tested, and if positive, treated.

Anyone who watches pharmaceutical commercials knows the side effects of all of these meds, whether for psoriatic arthritis, MS, cancer treatments, etc. Yet we get no disclaimer on the vaccine, mainly because the government gave them immunity, unlike medical immunity for those that were treated.

Have you seen any “commercials” for vaccine side effects anywhere on the planet?

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm

get it to x wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:08 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:38 am

get it to x wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:30 am

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:10 am The basic problem with "acquired" immunity - coming from a case of COVID, is that there does not seem to be enough consistent data to predict whether one who has this sort of immunity is actually well or marginally protected (seems to depend on how mild a case one has), nor how long the immunity lasts. Getting the vaccination, even when having a prior case, becomes a useful means of insuring a high level of protection.

Yes, the vaccine emergency approval was pushed as fast as it could be, and some steps that may have been serial in the approval process became more parallel to do that. But the safety record of the vaccines so far has been probably better than can be expected, especially for the m-RNA vaccines. We now have more than a year of good data on safety for a portion of the population, and at least a half year for adults of all ages...

Vaccine hesitancy has built up more recent history for mostly bad reasons - a great example is the association of autism diagnoses with thimerosol containing vaccines, which has been shown to be an extreme case of academic/scientific fraud. Yes, there are side effects of vaccines, and occasionally horrible outcomes - but the risk of these has been repeatedly shown to be far less than the risk of not being vaccinated.

This hits personally, because I have one brother who refuses to get vaccinated because he had a relatively mild case of COVID last March. My 88 year old parents (vaccinated and boosted) were directly told by their family physician to not attend gatherings at his house, where Thanksgiving was initially scheduled to be held. So we now have a split Thanksgiving, with some at my house (including two of his three children), and some at his.

His objections are primarily driven by the current RW media obsession with pushing personal rights to refuse to get vaccinated which seems to be a very cynical ploy to drive up anger at the expense of actual lives. Note that to work for example at Fox News you need to be vaccinated. To attend a live taping - same as well. But the opinion hosts drive the message (backed by a lot of misinterpretations of science) that it is almost honorable to refuse a vaccine. And question its safety with bogus arguments...

My wife (who recently had a valve replacement) and my 33 year old Autistic son (who lives with us) have both been fully vaccinated. I never once tried to talk them out of getting the vaccine, even though there have been numerous reports of people way healthier than me having adverse reactions to the m-RNA vaccines, including death. My wife also never tried to talk me into getting the jab. In addition, the vaccinated can be infected with the virus and become as contagious as a non vaccinated person, so my only benefit would be to perhaps have it somewhat mitigate my symptoms or nominally increase my chances of avoiding the ventilator. My wife is a nurse, and trust me, at the first sign of symptoms, I am getting tested, and if positive, treated.

Anyone who watches pharmaceutical commercials knows the side effects of all of these meds, whether for psoriatic arthritis, MS, cancer treatments, etc. Yet we get no disclaimer on the vaccine, mainly because the government gave them immunity, unlike medical immunity for those that were treated.

Have you seen any “commercials” for vaccine side effects anywhere on the planet?

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm

https://www.descovy.com/

Descovy is an HIV prophylaxis, which in essence the m-RNA is for Covid. It is not a sterilizing vaccine like Polio, Smallpox, MMR, etc. See the warnings about renal failure and bone density.

get it to x wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:08 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:38 am

get it to x wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:30 am

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:10 am The basic problem with "acquired" immunity - coming from a case of COVID, is that there does not seem to be enough consistent data to predict whether one who has this sort of immunity is actually well or marginally protected (seems to depend on how mild a case one has), nor how long the immunity lasts. Getting the vaccination, even when having a prior case, becomes a useful means of insuring a high level of protection.

Yes, the vaccine emergency approval was pushed as fast as it could be, and some steps that may have been serial in the approval process became more parallel to do that. But the safety record of the vaccines so far has been probably better than can be expected, especially for the m-RNA vaccines. We now have more than a year of good data on safety for a portion of the population, and at least a half year for adults of all ages...

Vaccine hesitancy has built up more recent history for mostly bad reasons - a great example is the association of autism diagnoses with thimerosol containing vaccines, which has been shown to be an extreme case of academic/scientific fraud. Yes, there are side effects of vaccines, and occasionally horrible outcomes - but the risk of these has been repeatedly shown to be far less than the risk of not being vaccinated.

This hits personally, because I have one brother who refuses to get vaccinated because he had a relatively mild case of COVID last March. My 88 year old parents (vaccinated and boosted) were directly told by their family physician to not attend gatherings at his house, where Thanksgiving was initially scheduled to be held. So we now have a split Thanksgiving, with some at my house (including two of his three children), and some at his.

His objections are primarily driven by the current RW media obsession with pushing personal rights to refuse to get vaccinated which seems to be a very cynical ploy to drive up anger at the expense of actual lives. Note that to work for example at Fox News you need to be vaccinated. To attend a live taping - same as well. But the opinion hosts drive the message (backed by a lot of misinterpretations of science) that it is almost honorable to refuse a vaccine. And question its safety with bogus arguments...

My wife (who recently had a valve replacement) and my 33 year old Autistic son (who lives with us) have both been fully vaccinated. I never once tried to talk them out of getting the vaccine, even though there have been numerous reports of people way healthier than me having adverse reactions to the m-RNA vaccines, including death. My wife also never tried to talk me into getting the jab. In addition, the vaccinated can be infected with the virus and become as contagious as a non vaccinated person, so my only benefit would be to perhaps have it somewhat mitigate my symptoms or nominally increase my chances of avoiding the ventilator. My wife is a nurse, and trust me, at the first sign of symptoms, I am getting tested, and if positive, treated.

Anyone who watches pharmaceutical commercials knows the side effects of all of these meds, whether for psoriatic arthritis, MS, cancer treatments, etc. Yet we get no disclaimer on the vaccine, mainly because the government gave them immunity, unlike medical immunity for those that were treated.

Have you seen any “commercials” for vaccine side effects anywhere on the planet?

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm

https://www.descovy.com/

Descovy is an HIV prophylaxis, which in essence the m-RNA is for Covid. It is not a sterilizing vaccine like Polio, Smallpox, MMR, etc. See the warnings about renal failure and bone density.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:53 am

PizzaSnake wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:45 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:23 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:10 pm

youthathletics wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:19 am

tech37 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 3:20 am Who Slowed Merck’s Covid Remedy?

Paywall for text but video is good.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-reme ... 1633897174

My take?... more bureaucratic BS and politics is killing people.

By now, and sans mandates, people who aren't vaccinated aren't going to be. If the idea is saving lives, either Merck's or Pfizer's pill should have been/should be available.

Craziness ensues with all things CV19.

This was the post along with the provocative title of the piece.

The implication being that it’s some sort of scandal that the pill hasn’t been released prior to the completion of the careful process to see if it’s both effective and safe.

No, that’s not “reasonable “ from someone who thinks the vaccines, with hugely more study, is somehow more risky than a new pill that alters a gene… and hasn’t been thoroughly reviewed yet.

Hopefully, hopefully this pill be a great help. But it’s crazy to want it released prior to completion.

And wondering why we are dragging our feet since the U.K authorized a limited use back on Nov. 4 and we hope to have it in December….

The Freedumb Refuseniks won’t take it.

So telling, how you all are so patient about this pill, yet blamed Trump for not moving fast enough on the vaccine. If not for double standards, you'd all not have any. :

In addition, the vaccinated can be infected with the virus and become as contagious as a non vaccinated person, so my only benefit would be to perhaps have it somewhat mitigate my symptoms or nominally increase my chances of avoiding the ventilator.

ggait wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:52 pm

In addition, the vaccinated can be infected with the virus and become as contagious as a non vaccinated person, so my only benefit would be to perhaps have it somewhat mitigate my symptoms or nominally increase my chances of avoiding the ventilator.

That is absolutely false. Just completely wrong.

1. If you are vaxed, you are much less likely to be infected. Since you have to be infected to be a spreader, vaxed people are way less likely to ever become spreaders.

2. If you are vaxed and become infected, you are going to be a much poorer potential spreader. Because (as correctly pointed out above) the duration of high viral load (a requirement for spreading) is going to be much shorter. If I have only one day of high viral load and you have five, who do you think will tend to be the bigger and better spreader? Obviously you.

Then why is Vermont, the most vaccinated state in the US, having a spike?

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:25 pm Some satire for you blokes:

get it to x wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 11:30 am

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:10 am The basic problem with "acquired" immunity - coming from a case of COVID, is that there does not seem to be enough consistent data to predict whether one who has this sort of immunity is actually well or marginally protected (seems to depend on how mild a case one has), nor how long the immunity lasts. Getting the vaccination, even when having a prior case, becomes a useful means of insuring a high level of protection.

Yes, the vaccine emergency approval was pushed as fast as it could be, and some steps that may have been serial in the approval process became more parallel to do that. But the safety record of the vaccines so far has been probably better than can be expected, especially for the m-RNA vaccines. We now have more than a year of good data on safety for a portion of the population, and at least a half year for adults of all ages...

Vaccine hesitancy has built up more recent history for mostly bad reasons - a great example is the association of autism diagnoses with thimerosol containing vaccines, which has been shown to be an extreme case of academic/scientific fraud. Yes, there are side effects of vaccines, and occasionally horrible outcomes - but the risk of these has been repeatedly shown to be far less than the risk of not being vaccinated.

This hits personally, because I have one brother who refuses to get vaccinated because he had a relatively mild case of COVID last March. My 88 year old parents (vaccinated and boosted) were directly told by their family physician to not attend gatherings at his house, where Thanksgiving was initially scheduled to be held. So we now have a split Thanksgiving, with some at my house (including two of his three children), and some at his.

His objections are primarily driven by the current RW media obsession with pushing personal rights to refuse to get vaccinated which seems to be a very cynical ploy to drive up anger at the expense of actual lives. Note that to work for example at Fox News you need to be vaccinated. To attend a live taping - same as well. But the opinion hosts drive the message (backed by a lot of misinterpretations of science) that it is almost honorable to refuse a vaccine. And question its safety with bogus arguments...

My wife (who recently had a valve replacement) and my 33 year old Autistic son (who lives with us) have both been fully vaccinated. I never once tried to talk them out of getting the vaccine, even though there have been numerous reports of people way healthier than me having adverse reactions to the m-RNA vaccines, including death. My wife also never tried to talk me into getting the jab. In addition, the vaccinated can be infected with the virus and become as contagious as a non vaccinated person, so my only benefit would be to perhaps have it somewhat mitigate my symptoms or nominally increase my chances of avoiding the ventilator. My wife is a nurse, and trust me, at the first sign of symptoms, I am getting tested, and if positive, treated.

Anyone who watches pharmaceutical commercials knows the side effects of all of these meds, whether for psoriatic arthritis, MS, cancer treatments, etc. Yet we get no disclaimer on the vaccine, mainly because the government gave them immunity, unlike medical immunity for those that were treated.

get it to x wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:29 pm

ggait wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:52 pm

In addition, the vaccinated can be infected with the virus and become as contagious as a non vaccinated person, so my only benefit would be to perhaps have it somewhat mitigate my symptoms or nominally increase my chances of avoiding the ventilator.

That is absolutely false. Just completely wrong.

1. If you are vaxed, you are much less likely to be infected. Since you have to be infected to be a spreader, vaxed people are way less likely to ever become spreaders.

2. If you are vaxed and become infected, you are going to be a much poorer potential spreader. Because (as correctly pointed out above) the duration of high viral load (a requirement for spreading) is going to be much shorter. If I have only one day of high viral load and you have five, who do you think will tend to be the bigger and better spreader? Obviously you.

Then why is Vermont, the most vaccinated state in the US, having a spike? Gibraltar is 100% vaxxed (118% if you count the Spaniards who come to work in Gibraltar every day) and they have just suggested cancelling Christmas and all other indoor gatherings because of a massive spike.

https://www.newsweek.com/christmas-cele ... es-1650610

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:29 pm

get it to x wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 3:29 pm

ggait wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:52 pm

In addition, the vaccinated can be infected with the virus and become as contagious as a non vaccinated person, so my only benefit would be to perhaps have it somewhat mitigate my symptoms or nominally increase my chances of avoiding the ventilator.

That is absolutely false. Just completely wrong.

1. If you are vaxed, you are much less likely to be infected. Since you have to be infected to be a spreader, vaxed people are way less likely to ever become spreaders.

2. If you are vaxed and become infected, you are going to be a much poorer potential spreader. Because (as correctly pointed out above) the duration of high viral load (a requirement for spreading) is going to be much shorter. If I have only one day of high viral load and you have five, who do you think will tend to be the bigger and better spreader? Obviously you.

Then why is Vermont, the most vaccinated state in the US, having a spike? Gibraltar is 100% vaxxed (118% if you count the Spaniards who come to work in Gibraltar every day) and they have just suggested cancelling Christmas and all other indoor gatherings because of a massive spike.

https://www.newsweek.com/christmas-cele ... es-1650610

There are multiple factors, but the surge in Vermont is largely being driven by unvaccinated individuals. Even in the most highly vaccinated states like Vermont, there are large pockets of unvaccinated people.

Case rates in Vermont residents who are not fully vaccinated are nearly four times higher than in fully vaccinated residents, according to state data. Essex County, the least-vaccinated county in the state, is reporting the highest case rates of any county in Vermont, with 1,022 cases per 100,000 people reported from Nov. 2 to 8. In Grand Isle County, which has the highest vaccination rate in the state, that number was 160.

Statewide, those driving the surge include people in their 20s, who are the least vaccinated among Vermont adults, as well as children ages 5 to 11, who are just now eligible to get vaccinated, Dr. Mark Levine, Vermont's health commissioner, said Tuesday.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/vermo ... d=81090116

Get vaccinated please.

DocBarrister

youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:06 am Scary stuff as a parent, 14 y/o stroke: https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datar ... 8ECDEA59F6