CNN Says 'White Men' are the Biggest Terror Threat in US

[old salt]

It's a relief to learn this is all Trump's fault.
When he leaves office, the problem will go away.

You may be overstating McCarthy's views on Islam. He clearly distinguishes between moderate Islam & Sharia Supremacy.
He distinguishes personal Sharia observance from Sharia Supremacy, ...it's inherent in the wording.
He also distinguishes it from White Supremacy more than he equates them.

His " needle in the haystack " analogy is entirely apt. There is no established global organization which all White Supremacists have in common. There are no White Supremacist churches.Social media has change the dynamic...they don't need a club house. You're making my point. That makes the potential lone wolf harder to locate, identify & monitor.
Nor are there White Supremacist terrorist training camps, safe havens, conflict zones or caliphate destinations. There most certainly are.Where ? ...how many of their alums are mass shooters ?

Given the scope of the potential lone wolf population, it makes automated internet surveillance a necessity, even more so than countering the threat of Islamic terrorism. The good news is -- we have the ability to do it, both inside & outside the govt. The challenge is in passing the laws to do it constitutionally, then implementing it in good faith, with credible oversight.And there is the final can of worms

He shot some explosives

McVeigh & Nichols worked out of McVeigh's farm.
Hardly an organized militia or terrorist training camp.
PTSD, before anyone acknowledged it.

You making an excuse for them too? Never realized you were such an apologist....huh. Friends of ours kind of guy?

Not making an excuse. Read about his Gulf War experiences.
Today, there's a better chance for an intervention.
The VA used him as a case study.

[DocBarrister]

It's a relief to learn this is all Trump's fault.
When he leaves office, the problem will go away.

You may be overstating McCarthy's views on Islam. He clearly distinguishes between moderate Islam & Sharia Supremacy.
He distinguishes personal Sharia observance from Sharia Supremacy, ...it's inherent in the wording.
He also distinguishes it from White Supremacy more than he equates them.

His " needle in the haystack " analogy is entirely apt. There is no established global organization which all White Supremacists have in common. There are no White Supremacist churches.Social media has change the dynamic...they don't need a club house. You're making my point. That makes the potential lone wolf harder to locate, identify & monitor.
Nor are there White Supremacist terrorist training camps, safe havens, conflict zones or caliphate destinations. There most certainly are.Where ? ...how many of their alums are mass shooters ?

Given the scope of the potential lone wolf population, it makes automated internet surveillance a necessity, even more so than countering the threat of Islamic terrorism. The good news is -- we have the ability to do it, both inside & outside the govt. The challenge is in passing the laws to do it constitutionally, then implementing it in good faith, with credible oversight.And there is the final can of worms

He shot some explosives

McVeigh & Nichols worked out of McVeigh's farm.
Hardly an organized militia or terrorist training camp.
PTSD, before anyone acknowledged it.

You making an excuse for them too? Never realized you were such an apologist....huh. Friends of ours kind of guy?

https://www.csmonitor.com/layout/set/am ... hy-McVeigh

Yeah ... following the Trump and Republican script of blaming mental illness instead of hate-filled ideologies plaguing the right-wing.

It’s probably worth pointing out that most folks with PTSD don’t go around blowing up federal buildings, including a day care center full of children.

DocBarrister

[MDlaxfan76]

You may be overstating McCarthy's views on Islam. He clearly distinguishes between moderate Islam & Sharia Supremacy.
He distinguishes personal Sharia observance from Sharia Supremacy, ...it's inherent in the wording.
He also distinguishes it from White Supremacy more than he equates them.

His " needle in the haystack " analogy is entirely apt. There is no established global organization which all White Supremacists have in common. There are no White Supremacist churches. That makes the potential lone wolf harder to locate, identify & monitor.
Nor are there White Supremacist terrorist training camps, safe havens, conflict zones or caliphate destinations.

Given the scope of the potential lone wolf population, it makes automated internet surveillance a necessity, even more so than countering the threat of Islamic terrorism. The good news is -- we have the ability to do it, both inside & outside the govt. The challenge is in passing the laws to do it constitutionally, then implementing it in good faith, with credible oversight.

I've read enough of McCarthy to see through his words to his general animosity toward Islam itself, not just the violent extremists. It's in his insistence that the extremists are actually inspired by Sharia and the Koran, to do the evil they do, rather than simply an ideology of hate cloaked in religion. The hate is NOT a natural outcome of the religion.

But we can agree to disagree on our sense of McCarthy and his views.

You say there isn't an 'established global organization which all White Supremacists have in common". True. Neither is there a single established Muslim organization to which all Islamic Extremists belong.

There are lots of white supremacist groups, but yes, they are indeed a global network loosely affiliated with one another, feeding off of one another, cheering one another on. Same for the Islamic terrorists, both organized and 'lone wolf'. The white supremacist groups ARE trackable. And we can indeed disrupt and interdict them...with focus. There are also 'training camps' right here in the good 'ole USA, and we can go after those as well...the problem, of course, is that we're not going to drone strike folks here in the US...and when we confront these nut jobs, we get Ruby Ridge sorts of events.

The gun nut jobs and the white supremacist groups have significant overlap, as a big part of the 'white nationalism' ideology is a hate of a federal gov't which sides with 'the mud people' ...and 2nd Amendment rights are all about fighting the government, not simply self protection from the occasional bear or perhaps a robber.

So, it's an ugly process to fight these hate-filled groups and those inspired and encouraged by them. But we need to take it every bit as seriously as the threat of home-grown Islamic terrorism, indeed more so as it dwarfs the latter, and so much of our population enables them through tacit support of their bigotry (if not their violence). They say "I'm not racist, just because I'm white" (no one said you were, knucklehead) but then in turn chant hate at a Trump rally, or assume the police are just doing their jobs...even when they see video...

And when we actually elect a racist?

[Typical Lax Dad]

It's a relief to learn this is all Trump's fault.
When he leaves office, the problem will go away.

You may be overstating McCarthy's views on Islam. He clearly distinguishes between moderate Islam & Sharia Supremacy.
He distinguishes personal Sharia observance from Sharia Supremacy, ...it's inherent in the wording.
He also distinguishes it from White Supremacy more than he equates them.

His " needle in the haystack " analogy is entirely apt. There is no established global organization which all White Supremacists have in common. There are no White Supremacist churches.Social media has change the dynamic...they don't need a club house. You're making my point. That makes the potential lone wolf harder to locate, identify & monitor.
Nor are there White Supremacist terrorist training camps, safe havens, conflict zones or caliphate destinations. There most certainly are.Where ? ...how many of their alums are mass shooters ?

Given the scope of the potential lone wolf population, it makes automated internet surveillance a necessity, even more so than countering the threat of Islamic terrorism. The good news is -- we have the ability to do it, both inside & outside the govt. The challenge is in passing the laws to do it constitutionally, then implementing it in good faith, with credible oversight.And there is the final can of worms

He shot some explosives

McVeigh & Nichols worked out of McVeigh's farm.
Hardly an organized militia or terrorist training camp.
PTSD, before anyone acknowledged it.

You making an excuse for them too? Never realized you were such an apologist....huh. Friends of ours kind of guy?

Not making an excuse. Read about his Gulf War experiences.
Today, there's a better chance for an intervention.
The VA used him as a case study.

How many others in his squad blew up a building?

[old salt]

Donald Trump is a bigot, racist, and white supremacist. There can be no serious dispute about that.

Those who continue to support Donald Trump are supporting a bigot, racist, and white supremacist. That is indisputable.

Not sure how his MAGA supporters live with themselves, but it has become clear that many support Trump BECAUSE of his bigotry, racism, and white supremacist views and policies, not despite them.

And this doesn’t even cover Trump’s other obvious flaws ... his corruption, dishonesty, history of sexual assault of women, misogyny, incompetence, ignorance, narcissism, and complete lack of empathy.

Trump is arguably the worst president in the last century (and if not for scumbags like Andrew Johnson, the worst ever). The Republican Party inflicted great damage to our nation by putting him in the White House, and it will likely take a full generation to undo the harm.

DocBarrister

You & your fellow (D)'s have been race baiting & fomenting division since long before Trump became a candidate.
It is the basis of your entire party platform & political strategy. Trump is the inevitable result.
He's counter attacking with the same weapons.
The fact that he was elected with 63 nillion votes & retains 90% (R) support is an indication of how fed up much of the population is with your divisive PC rap & what they're willing to resort to in order to stay free from it.

[old salt]

It's a relief to learn this is all Trump's fault.
When he leaves office, the problem will go away.

You may be overstating McCarthy's views on Islam. He clearly distinguishes between moderate Islam & Sharia Supremacy.
He distinguishes personal Sharia observance from Sharia Supremacy, ...it's inherent in the wording.
He also distinguishes it from White Supremacy more than he equates them.

His " needle in the haystack " analogy is entirely apt. There is no established global organization which all White Supremacists have in common. There are no White Supremacist churches.Social media has change the dynamic...they don't need a club house. You're making my point. That makes the potential lone wolf harder to locate, identify & monitor.
Nor are there White Supremacist terrorist training camps, safe havens, conflict zones or caliphate destinations. There most certainly are.Where ? ...how many of their alums are mass shooters ?

Given the scope of the potential lone wolf population, it makes automated internet surveillance a necessity, even more so than countering the threat of Islamic terrorism. The good news is -- we have the ability to do it, both inside & outside the govt. The challenge is in passing the laws to do it constitutionally, then implementing it in good faith, with credible oversight.And there is the final can of worms

He shot some explosives

McVeigh & Nichols worked out of McVeigh's farm.
Hardly an organized militia or terrorist training camp.
PTSD, before anyone acknowledged it.

You making an excuse for them too? Never realized you were such an apologist....huh. Friends of ours kind of guy?

Not making an excuse. Read about his Gulf War experiences.
Today, there's a better chance for an intervention.
The VA used him as a case study.

How many others in his squad blew up a building?

That proves nothing. It only takes one.

[Typical Lax Dad]

It's a relief to learn this is all Trump's fault.
When he leaves office, the problem will go away.

You may be overstating McCarthy's views on Islam. He clearly distinguishes between moderate Islam & Sharia Supremacy.
He distinguishes personal Sharia observance from Sharia Supremacy, ...it's inherent in the wording.
He also distinguishes it from White Supremacy more than he equates them.

His " needle in the haystack " analogy is entirely apt. There is no established global organization which all White Supremacists have in common. There are no White Supremacist churches.Social media has change the dynamic...they don't need a club house. You're making my point. That makes the potential lone wolf harder to locate, identify & monitor.
Nor are there White Supremacist terrorist training camps, safe havens, conflict zones or caliphate destinations. There most certainly are.Where ? ...how many of their alums are mass shooters ?

Given the scope of the potential lone wolf population, it makes automated internet surveillance a necessity, even more so than countering the threat of Islamic terrorism. The good news is -- we have the ability to do it, both inside & outside the govt. The challenge is in passing the laws to do it constitutionally, then implementing it in good faith, with credible oversight.And there is the final can of worms

He shot some explosives

McVeigh & Nichols worked out of McVeigh's farm.
Hardly an organized militia or terrorist training camp.
PTSD, before anyone acknowledged it.

You making an excuse for them too? Never realized you were such an apologist....huh. Friends of ours kind of guy?

Not making an excuse. Read about his Gulf War experiences.
Today, there's a better chance for an intervention.
The VA used him as a case study.

How many others in his squad blew up a building?

That proves nothing. It only takes one.

It proves PTSD isn’t the reason....old chap.

[MDlaxfan76]

It's a relief to learn this is all Trump's fault.
When he leaves office, the problem will go away.

You may be overstating McCarthy's views on Islam. He clearly distinguishes between moderate Islam & Sharia Supremacy.
He distinguishes personal Sharia observance from Sharia Supremacy, ...it's inherent in the wording.
He also distinguishes it from White Supremacy more than he equates them.

His " needle in the haystack " analogy is entirely apt. There is no established global organization which all White Supremacists have in common. There are no White Supremacist churches.Social media has change the dynamic...they don't need a club house. You're making my point. That makes the potential lone wolf harder to locate, identify & monitor.
Nor are there White Supremacist terrorist training camps, safe havens, conflict zones or caliphate destinations. There most certainly are.Where ? ...how many of their alums are mass shooters ?

Given the scope of the potential lone wolf population, it makes automated internet surveillance a necessity, even more so than countering the threat of Islamic terrorism. The good news is -- we have the ability to do it, both inside & outside the govt. The challenge is in passing the laws to do it constitutionally, then implementing it in good faith, with credible oversight.And there is the final can of worms

He shot some explosives

McVeigh & Nichols worked out of McVeigh's farm.
Hardly an organized militia or terrorist training camp.
PTSD, before anyone acknowledged it.

You making an excuse for them too? Never realized you were such an apologist....huh. Friends of ours kind of guy?

Not making an excuse. Read about his Gulf War experiences.
Today, there's a better chance for an intervention.
The VA used him as a case study.

How many others in his squad blew up a building?

Seems to me that we can stipulate that these terrorists and mass murderers are 'sick in the head' to some extent. Sorta by definition. But that's not the same thing as PTSD or schizophrenia or depression, etc.

The various flavors of terrorists know what they're doing is harming others and that, if caught, they'd be punished/killed. They choose to these evil acts, it's not a 'dog' barking orders in their head.

Actual mental illness rarely manifests in violence towards others, indeed usually if there's violence it's to oneself.

So, it's a huge canard to call this a 'mental illness' problem as if all we need to do is either lock up the mentally ill or keep them away from weapons and we're all good (how are you actually going to keep a nut job away from assault weapons when they're so prevalent?).

Nope, we need to go after those who are spewing hate, encouraging others to be violent, and interdict those who appear most vulnerable to turning to violence with actual help.

And we need to get the assault weapons and ammo clips put away onto gun ranges, not uncle's basement.

[youthathletics]

What does it prove?

[Typical Lax Dad]

What does it prove?

You here to defend McVeigh also? I can’t tell.

[MDlaxfan76]

Donald Trump is a bigot, racist, and white supremacist. There can be no serious dispute about that.

Those who continue to support Donald Trump are supporting a bigot, racist, and white supremacist. That is indisputable.

Not sure how his MAGA supporters live with themselves, but it has become clear that many support Trump BECAUSE of his bigotry, racism, and white supremacist views and policies, not despite them.

And this doesn’t even cover Trump’s other obvious flaws ... his corruption, dishonesty, history of sexual assault of women, misogyny, incompetence, ignorance, narcissism, and complete lack of empathy.

Trump is arguably the worst president in the last century (and if not for scumbags like Andrew Johnson, the worst ever). The Republican Party inflicted great damage to our nation by putting him in the White House, and it will likely take a full generation to undo the harm.

DocBarrister

You & your fellow (D)'s have been race baiting & fomenting division since long before Trump became a candidate.
It is the basis of your entire party platform & political strategy. Trump is the inevitable result.
He's counter attacking with the same weapons.
The fact that he was elected with 63 nillion votes & retains 90% (R) support is an indication of how fed up much of the population is with your divisive PC rap & what they're willing to resort to in order to stay free from it.

Ahhh, there it is.
Man the election of Obama pissed off 'whitey', didn't it?

Is it really 'race-baiting' to recognize and call out bigotry in policing? In housing policies? In incarceration? In voting?

Sure, the Dems have overstepped at times with the finger pointing, and certainly the micro-aggression stuff can get into silly land at times, but the real problem is that the fundamental truth of the bigotry in our society is a truth that's really hard to face.

We're not going to wish it away, much as it might seem convenient or easier for us white folks.

[old salt]

Donald Trump is a bigot, racist, and white supremacist. There can be no serious dispute about that.

Those who continue to support Donald Trump are supporting a bigot, racist, and white supremacist. That is indisputable.

Not sure how his MAGA supporters live with themselves, but it has become clear that many support Trump BECAUSE of his bigotry, racism, and white supremacist views and policies, not despite them.

And this doesn’t even cover Trump’s other obvious flaws ... his corruption, dishonesty, history of sexual assault of women, misogyny, incompetence, ignorance, narcissism, and complete lack of empathy.

Trump is arguably the worst president in the last century (and if not for scumbags like Andrew Johnson, the worst ever). The Republican Party inflicted great damage to our nation by putting him in the White House, and it will likely take a full generation to undo the harm.

DocBarrister

You & your fellow (D)'s have been race baiting & fomenting division since long before Trump became a candidate.
It is the basis of your entire party platform & political strategy. Trump is the inevitable result.
He's counter attacking with the same weapons.
The fact that he was elected with 63 nillion votes & retains 90% (R) support is an indication of how fed up much of the population is with your divisive PC rap & what they're willing to resort to in order to stay free from it.

Ahhh, there it is.
Man the election of Obama ticked off 'whitey', didn't it?

Is it really 'race-baiting' to recognize and call out bigotry in policing? In housing policies? In incarceration? In voting?

Sure, the Dems have overstepped at times with the finger pointing, and certainly the micro-aggression stuff can get into silly land at times, but the real problem is that the fundamental truth of the bigotry in our society is a truth that's really hard to face.

We're not going to wish it away, much as it might seem convenient or easier for us white folks.

Nope. It's not going away. It's going to get worse before it gets better.
Obama had little to do with what we're enduring now.
The (D)'s divide (by race) & conquer strategy has been around a lot longer than Obama.
It has been a spectacular success.
Millions of McCain & Romney voters took consolation in the hope that Obama might be a healer, rather than a divider.
He tried, but his party didn't follow his lead. Their strength & future lies in division.

[old salt]

What does it prove?

You here to defend McVeigh also? I can’t tell.

Not defending or excusing anyone. Pointing out what happened, how & why.

A PTSD diagnosis would have been an opportunity for intervention.

[a fan]

Both Republican and Democrat's strength & future lies in division.

Fixed it for you.

[old salt]

Both Republican and Democrat's strength & future lies in division.

Fixed it for you.

Maybe now (if the GOP has a future), but not before Trump.

[Typical Lax Dad]

What does it prove?

You here to defend McVeigh also? I can’t tell.

Not defending or excusing anyone. Pointing out what happened, how & why.

A PTSD diagnosis would have been an opportunity for intervention.

Sure.

[a fan]

Maybe now (if the GOP has a future), but not before Trump.

FoxNation. That's what started it. The arrival of Trump simply proved what FoxNation is: it's not the voice of conservative America. If it was, Trump's poll numbers among FoxNation would be near zero.

FoxNation is the voice of anger and division. Of blaming others, rather than championing conservative ideas.

[old salt]

What does it prove?

You here to defend McVeigh also? I can’t tell.

Not defending or excusing anyone. Pointing out what happened, how & why.

A PTSD diagnosis would have been an opportunity for intervention.

Sure.

Remember this ?
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... uge-214089

[old salt]

Maybe now (if the GOP has a future), but not before Trump.

FoxNation. That's what started it. The arrival of Trump simply proved what FoxNation is: it's not the voice of conservative America. If it was, Trump's poll numbers among FoxNation would be near zero.

FoxNation is the voice of anger and division. Of blaming others, rather than championing conservative ideas.

The pushback started long before FNC. When did El Rushbo go national ?

[DocBarrister]

Donald Trump is a bigot, racist, and white supremacist. There can be no serious dispute about that.

Those who continue to support Donald Trump are supporting a bigot, racist, and white supremacist. That is indisputable.

Not sure how his MAGA supporters live with themselves, but it has become clear that many support Trump BECAUSE of his bigotry, racism, and white supremacist views and policies, not despite them.

And this doesn’t even cover Trump’s other obvious flaws ... his corruption, dishonesty, history of sexual assault of women, misogyny, incompetence, ignorance, narcissism, and complete lack of empathy.

Trump is arguably the worst president in the last century (and if not for scumbags like Andrew Johnson, the worst ever). The Republican Party inflicted great damage to our nation by putting him in the White House, and it will likely take a full generation to undo the harm.

DocBarrister

You & your fellow (D)'s have been race baiting & fomenting division since long before Trump became a candidate.
It is the basis of your entire party platform & political strategy. Trump is the inevitable result.
He's counter attacking with the same weapons.
The fact that he was elected with 63 nillion votes & retains 90% (R) support is an indication of how fed up much of the population is with your divisive PC rap & what they're willing to resort to in order to stay free from it.

Donald Trump is the last gasp of Republican racism and white supremacy in presidential politics, just as former Gov. Pete Wilson was the last gasp of Republican racism and white supremacy in California.

Never thought highly of the Bush clan, but they were (are) right about one thing ... the future of the Republican Party in America depends heavily on the GOP’s ability to attract support from the Latino community.

Instead, the Republican Party turned to a racist, bigoted white supremacist. Take a look at California to see the Republican Party’s future in presidential politics. The GOP has won the popular vote in presidential elections just once in the last seven elections, and not once in the past 15 years.

Both Georgia and Texas will be merely “lean Republican” states in 2020. By 2024, both will be full swing states. By 2028, Texas will probably be “lean Democrat”. Once Texas turns Blue, like Virginia, it’s game over.

Heck, Democrats even won the House last year despite heavily Gerrymandered districts all over the country.

Fact is, the racists and white supremacists reacted badly to the first African American president. We saw the vitriol from many in our own online community. By electing Trump to spite the Democratic Party—the party of diversity and enlightenment—the Republicans have sabotaged their own future. Happened in California ... will soon happen in Texas and the nation.

DocBarrister