Re: SCOTUS
Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:41 pm
Counting the days when guys like you flip their story on the electoral college the millisecond Texas flips Democrat.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:41 pm
Your team:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html
That democracy stuff is downright scary.a fan wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:49 pmCounting the days when guys like you flip their story on the electoral college the millisecond Texas flips Democrat.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:41 pm
Your team:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html
Tick tock. Only a matter of time. And when that happens? You can forget the White House. For decades.
Suddenly, making sure all American's votes count will sound awful good to you........
a fan wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:49 pmCounting the days when guys like you flip their story on the electoral college the millisecond Texas flips Democrat.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:41 pm
Your team:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html
Tick tock. Only a matter of time. And when that happens? You can forget the White House. For decades.
Suddenly, making sure all American's votes count will sound awful good to you........
Well, sure, the GOP could decide to stop doubling down on rhetoric and policies designed to appeal specifically to angry, less educated, old, white, male, "Christians". You know, your "REDNECK" pals.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:16 ama fan wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:49 pmCounting the days when guys like you flip their story on the electoral college the millisecond Texas flips Democrat.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:41 pm
Your team:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html
Tick tock. Only a matter of time. And when that happens? You can forget the White House. For decades.
Suddenly, making sure all American's votes count will sound awful good to you........
Ahhhh, that good ol' static analysis! Nothing changes. Nobody reacts to action! Texas will turn Dem! Howard Dean scream here please: igh-eeeeeeeee-yahhhhhhhhh.
Want to manage my money, Nostradamus?
https://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/86180/1 ... _86180.pdf
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:22 amWell, sure, the GOP could decide to stop doubling down on rhetoric and policies designed to appeal specifically to angry, less educated, old, white, male, "Christians". You know, your "REDNECK" pals.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:16 ama fan wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:49 pmCounting the days when guys like you flip their story on the electoral college the millisecond Texas flips Democrat.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:41 pm
Your team:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html
Tick tock. Only a matter of time. And when that happens? You can forget the White House. For decades.
Suddenly, making sure all American's votes count will sound awful good to you........
Ahhhh, that good ol' static analysis! Nothing changes. Nobody reacts to action! Texas will turn Dem! Howard Dean scream here please: igh-eeeeeeeee-yahhhhhhhhh.
Want to manage my money, Nostradamus?
https://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/86180/1 ... _86180.pdf
Might happen.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:53 am Happy to hear your logic of how the GOP would increase their appeal to the demographic shifts that are definitely coming (absent what, a pandemic disproportionately impacting young, non-whites? or a Holocaust doing the same?).
I offered one suggestion.
You got another?
You have a fascinating sense of history, but, sure, I'd agree that in 50 years or so, something called the GOP, might well look very different than Trumpism.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 11:05 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:53 am Happy to hear your logic of how the GOP would increase their appeal to the demographic shifts that are definitely coming (absent what, a pandemic disproportionately impacting young, non-whites? or a Holocaust doing the same?).
I offered one suggestion.
You got another?
Sure!!! Easy!
In order to wring out the last downward element of any group, often one of the last acts is to elevate the worst possible leader. It's seen throughout history. And once that 'worst of all possible' leaders is elevated, the proceeding history more often than not is significantly different than what preceded it.
Think of Germany today versus Adolf Hitler yesterday. The CDU is the progeny of the Nazi Party. And Angela Merkel and Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer are the most known personalities on the same ideological pendulum side as Hitler, center-right. Something tells me you think both women are competent and sane. But how can that be!!!! They came from Hitler's side! Interesting....
The odds-on favorite today for the Republican leader in 2024 is a first generation Punjabi-American Sikh. I wonder how that will play with immigrants and POC?
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 11:24 amYou have a fascinating sense of history, but, sure, I'd agree that in 50 years or so, something called the GOP, might well look very different than Trumpism.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 11:05 amMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:53 am Happy to hear your logic of how the GOP would increase their appeal to the demographic shifts that are definitely coming (absent what, a pandemic disproportionately impacting young, non-whites? or a Holocaust doing the same?).
I offered one suggestion.
You got another?
Sure!!! Easy!
In order to wring out the last downward element of any group, often one of the last acts is to elevate the worst possible leader. It's seen throughout history. And once that 'worst of all possible' leaders is elevated, the proceeding history more often than not is significantly different than what preceded it.
Think of Germany today versus Adolf Hitler yesterday. The CDU is the progeny of the Nazi Party. And Angela Merkel and Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer are the most known personalities on the same ideological pendulum side as Hitler, center-right. Something tells me you think both women are competent and sane. But how can that be!!!! They came from Hitler's side! Interesting....
The odds-on favorite today for the Republican leader in 2024 is a first generation Punjabi-American Sikh. I wonder how that will play with immigrants and POC?
Sure, an ignominious 'loss' by Trumpism in 2020 might well shock the GOP into making very different choices, adopt very different rhetoric, policies and candidate than this racist, nativist, slime ball.
Which was exactly my point...
But another 4 years of Trump won't lead to such a dramatic reversal.
Of course, Hitler did kill himself after an ignominious defeat.
MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:05 pm Only if Trumpism is crushed first.
You really need to read what I write.
Then disagree.
So, your scenario is that Trump will become 'more Presidential'???Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:13 pmMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:05 pm Only if Trumpism is crushed first.
You really need to read what I write.
Then disagree.
Assuming Trump is re-elected, I think his 2nd term will be quiet in relative terms to the first.
The SCOTUS picks will generate noise, and a prosecution of Brennan would get noise, but generally speaking, every 2nd term is quite the denouement from a first and I see no difference here. In fact, the only thing that might make noise imo is a second impeachment over whatever issue the Dems choose to deploy to throw Trump off his game. It is certainly appearing more and more that Brennan coordinated an attack on Trump, and Dems fell for the ruse; I do not think that will be so easy next time.
By the end of his second term, Trump would be almost 80 and way more sure of himself. I'd be willing to bet a ton that he reaches out to Democrats way more in a 2nd term, even if he's impeached a second time, maybe especially if he's impeached a second time. A second term in all likelihood would be far different than you imagine.
And then, whoever wins the R nomination in 2024 (the money is on Nikki), that person will not by default be what you consider a Trumpist, whatever that is. Trump will never be a beloved figure for Democrats, so the opening to do so from a Republican will be quite wide, and arguably quite easy.
Your understanding of economics is.....wanting.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:16 ama fan wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:49 pmCounting the days when guys like you flip their story on the electoral college the millisecond Texas flips Democrat.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:41 pm
Your team:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html
Tick tock. Only a matter of time. And when that happens? You can forget the White House. For decades.
Suddenly, making sure all American's votes count will sound awful good to you........
Ahhhh, that good ol' static analysis! Nothing changes. Nobody reacts to action! Texas will turn Dem! Howard Dean scream here please: igh-eeeeeeeee-yahhhhhhhhh.
Want to manage my money, Nostradamus?
https://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/86180/1 ... _86180.pdf
a fan wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:51 pmYour understanding of economics is.....wanting.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:16 ama fan wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:49 pmCounting the days when guys like you flip their story on the electoral college the millisecond Texas flips Democrat.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:41 pm
Your team:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html
Tick tock. Only a matter of time. And when that happens? You can forget the White House. For decades.
Suddenly, making sure all American's votes count will sound awful good to you........
Ahhhh, that good ol' static analysis! Nothing changes. Nobody reacts to action! Texas will turn Dem! Howard Dean scream here please: igh-eeeeeeeee-yahhhhhhhhh.
Want to manage my money, Nostradamus?
https://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/86180/1 ... _86180.pdf
Remember how guys like you pitched that Trump's win was about economics? And jobs for the "forgotten voter".
Well, guess who forgot to remember the "forgotten voter". That's right. Trump.
Flyover Nation was on life support before this virus hit. Wanna take a wild guess as to what the next few years are going to look like for America's bottom 50% earners that don't live in major cities?
Guess what that means? The exodus from rural America to cities is going to accelerate even more, and people move in droves, looking for work. And guess what happens to Americans' political leanings when they move from small towns to big cities?
Tick tock.
I see it, uh, a tad differently.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:13 pmMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:05 pm Only if Trumpism is crushed first.
You really need to read what I write.
Then disagree.
Assuming Trump is re-elected, I think his 2nd term will be quiet in relative terms to the first.
The SCOTUS picks will generate noise, and a prosecution of Brennan would get noise, but generally speaking, every 2nd term is quite the denouement from a first and I see no difference here. In fact, the only thing that might make noise imo is a second impeachment over whatever issue the Dems choose to deploy to throw Trump off his game. It is certainly appearing more and more that Brennan coordinated an attack on Trump, and Dems fell for the ruse; I do not think that will be so easy next time.
By the end of his second term, Trump would be almost 80 and way more sure of himself. I'd be willing to bet a ton that he reaches out to Democrats way more in a 2nd term, even if he's impeached a second time, maybe especially if he's impeached a second time. A second term in all likelihood would be far different than you imagine.
And then, whoever wins the R nomination in 2024 (the money is on Nikki), that person will not by default be what you consider a Trumpist, whatever that is. Trump will never be a beloved figure for Democrats, so the opening to do so from a Republican will be quite wide, and arguably quite easy.
njbill wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:37 pmI see it, uh, a tad differently.Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:13 pmMDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:05 pm Only if Trumpism is crushed first.
You really need to read what I write.
Then disagree.
Assuming Trump is re-elected, I think his 2nd term will be quiet in relative terms to the first.
The SCOTUS picks will generate noise, and a prosecution of Brennan would get noise, but generally speaking, every 2nd term is quite the denouement from a first and I see no difference here. In fact, the only thing that might make noise imo is a second impeachment over whatever issue the Dems choose to deploy to throw Trump off his game. It is certainly appearing more and more that Brennan coordinated an attack on Trump, and Dems fell for the ruse; I do not think that will be so easy next time.
By the end of his second term, Trump would be almost 80 and way more sure of himself. I'd be willing to bet a ton that he reaches out to Democrats way more in a 2nd term, even if he's impeached a second time, maybe especially if he's impeached a second time. A second term in all likelihood would be far different than you imagine.
And then, whoever wins the R nomination in 2024 (the money is on Nikki), that person will not by default be what you consider a Trumpist, whatever that is. Trump will never be a beloved figure for Democrats, so the opening to do so from a Republican will be quite wide, and arguably quite easy.
Putting aside that I think Trump will be defeated in November, if he were to be reelected, his second term would be fascist in nature. He would replace the Winston Churchill bust with one of Francisco Franco. He would spend his term getting back at his enemies, punishing them, even jailing them, if he could, using his equally fascist Attorney General to do so. He would fire as many government employees who don’t agree with him, who “done him wrong” in his eyes, and who aren’t loyal to him, as he possibly could.
Reach out to Democrats? I’d be willing to bet 10 tons he would do no such thing. Assuming the Democrats keep the House and/or take the Senate, he wouldn’t get anything done. I doubt he would care one whit about that.
He’d hold rallies and photo ops. He’d go golfing. He’d enjoy the ruffles and flourishes of the office, but would do little hard work for the people.
If he were to be reelected, he would be keenly aware that he would’ve dodged the prosecution/jail bullet. But instead of being chastened, as most people would, he would be emboldened. Just look at how he acted immediately following Mueller’s testimony.
He would assemble and dictate to the COVID-19 commission whose conclusion I could write right now. So could you.
There would be a pardon-palooza.
He would crush any chances for your heartthrob, Nikki, as the country would have no interest in electing another Republican. Remember, it is very difficult for a candidate to win a third consecutive term for his or her party. Just ask Hillary.