President Donald J. Trump—Part ll

[njbill]

Agree that the head of the SS probably will get fired. But the agent in charge at the scene is the one who is most directly culpable, I think. That person should definitely be fired.

I just don’t understand why you don’t put one or two people on the nearby roofs. It can’t be a manpower issue to divert one or two people up on the roofs. And the pitch of the roof excuse is beyond weak.

[cradleandshoot]

Agree that the head of the SS probably will get fired. But the agent in charge at the scene is the one who is most directly culpable, I think. That person should definitely be fired.

I just don’t understand why you don’t put one or two people on the nearby roofs. It can’t be a manpower issue to divert one or two people up on the roofs. And the pitch of the roof excuse is beyond weak.

The secret service is ultimately held accountable for this failure. I'm stunned at all that has been revealed about this assassination attempt in the last few days. The secret service comes across looking incompetent and I know there are too many good and dedicated agents for that to be the case.

[runrussellrun]

Agree that the head of the SS probably will get fired. But the agent in charge at the scene is the one who is most directly culpable, I think. That person should definitely be fired.

I just don’t understand why you don’t put one or two people on the nearby roofs. It can’t be a manpower issue to divert one or two people up on the roofs. And the pitch of the roof excuse is beyond weak.

dang it "")?,? ........wanted tocontinue that ridiculously long archaic way of communicating via blah blah blah


anyway, you are not wrong only incomplete


If the DHS secretary has the power to refuse a congressional inquest, then certainly any failure with him



The secret service is ultimately held accountable for this failure. I'm stunned at all that has been revealed about this assassination attempt in the last few days. The secret service comes across looking incompetent and I know there are too many good and dedicated agents for that to be the case.

[old salt]

Latest report is that the local sniper team was in a different building in the came complex with the building the sniper used.

That sniper team was a pickup team made up of members from several different jurisdictions for this event.

OK - still in the same complex/area - why weren't they alerted/deployed to deal with a potential threat to one of their own officers?
Encourage folks to view the comprehensive NYT video

Based on the report I saw, it was not officers from the sniper team who confronted the shooter. It was local deputies who had been on traffic duty who responded to the shouted reports from attendees. The deputy who confronted the shooter was reportedly injured from his fall.
The 2 groups of police may not have been in comms with each other or even aware of each others location.

[Kismet]

Latest report is that the local sniper team was in a different building in the came complex with the building the sniper used.

That sniper team was a pickup team made up of members from several different jurisdictions for this event.

OK - still in the same complex/area - why weren't they alerted/deployed to deal with a potential threat to one of their own officers?
Encourage folks to view the comprehensive NYT video

Based on the report I saw, it was not officers from the sniper team who confronted the shooter. It was local deputies who had been on traffic duty who responded to the shouted reports from attendees. The deputy who confronted the shooter was reportedly injured from his fall.
The 2 groups of police may not have been in comms with each other or even aware of each others location.

Perhaps - would encourage you to watch the NYT timeline video investigation piece I posted earlier

[old salt]

Astute analysis from the WSJ Ed board :

https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-tru ... _lead_pos1

Donald Trump’s Third Presidential Life
The election is his to lose. Can he govern better if he wins?

By The Editorial Board, July 17, 2024

When Donald Trump walks onstage at the Republican convention in Milwaukee on Thursday, it will be a remarkable moment—for him and for history. The GOP has nominated Mr. Trump for President for the third time, matching only Richard Nixon in Republican Party history. Love or hate him, it is a rare political achievement. More relevant for the current moment, he has also been granted a chance at what amounts to a third presidential life. How will he use it?

Mr. Trump’s first life was his surprising surge to the nomination and then a narrow, almost accidental victory in 2016. He made many mistakes in his first year, not least setting up a chaotic White House and failing to fire FBI director James Comey on his first day in office. But he also had successes, such as tax reform and judicial appointments.

His second life was the unrelenting siege against him by the press and Democratic Party. The GOP lost the House in 2018, as voters rejected the political tumult of his first two years. Mr. Trump was impeached, lost to President Biden, then lost the Senate, then refused to accept the election results. The riot on Jan. 6, 2021, and his disgraceful attempt to block the counting of electoral votes led to a second impeachment and what looked to be the end of his career. We certainly thought so at the time.
***
Yet here he is now, back at a new political peak and more in control of the GOP than he has ever been. How did he do it?

One answer is his sheer tenacity and resilience, and a refusal to accept either blame or defeat after any setbacks. He changed the Jan. 6 narrative among Republicans simply by insisting that he and the rioters had done nothing wrong. He was helped by political polarization and the squandered credibility of the media with its partisan hostility and false Russia collusion narrative.

Mr. Trump has also been aided, time and again, by his Democratic opponents. The more Washington’s elites loathed him, the more his supporters clung to him. Then as he ran for election again, Democrats tried lawfare to disqualify him rather than let the voters decide.

Democrats tried and failed to ban him from the ballot. They indicted him four times, which made Republicans more likely to support him in the primaries. The final Democratic mistake, which could be their undoing this year, was not seriously contesting an 81-year-old President for their nomination. Mr. Biden imploded in debate in June, and now Mr. Trump is ahead in nearly every poll.

As Ben Carson, the former Trump Housing Secretary, put it with some convention hyperbole in his speech on Tuesday: “First, they tried to ruin his reputation and he’s more popular now than ever. And then they tried to bankrupt him and he’s got more money now than he had before. And then they tried to put him in prison and he’s freer and has made other people free with him. And then last weekend they tried to kill him and there he is over there alive and well.”
***
Thus does Mr. Trump’s third presidential life beckon as he prepares to speak to the country from Milwaukee. The drama is compounded by his near-assassination less than a week ago. Some who have spoken to him say he’s a changed man.

“He believes that God has given him another opportunity. He believes that God spared his life and that he is a—I’m not sure if spiritual is the word or the adjective. I’m not sure if it’s more contemplative. But I do know that he is a different man,” Florida Rep. Maria Salazar told the press. Late life conversions are rare, especially in politics, but you never know.

Second presidential terms are rarely successful, and Mr. Trump would be an immediate lame duck in January. But then a large enough victory that brings along a GOP House and Senate would give him more legislative running room than most recent second-termers. The biggest question is what he learned from his first term that he’d do differently.

One good omen is that this time he ran a much more disciplined primary campaign that won with ease despite strong competitors. He has also been unusually restrained of late, letting Democrats fight among themselves and avoiding petty spats with other Republicans. His invitation to Nikki Haley to speak at the convention was an important gesture to appeal to her suburban voters.

One risk, and it’s a big one, is that the Trump GOP no longer has a political philosophy beyond what is in the former President’s head. The party’s economic platform is a contradictory mix of tax cutting and tariff raising. Mr. Trump wants to unleash animal spirits but named a running mate who supports union leaders more than business employers. He wants to end foreign wars but has offered no specific ideas for how to do it. We’ll know Mr. Trump’s policies when we see them.

The other risk is if Mr. Trump pursues an agenda of retribution. If he does, his second term will quickly devolve into trench warfare and polarization, a probable GOP wipeout in the midterms, and another impeachment. But if he means what he has said that “success” in office is retribution enough, he has a chance to govern better. We’ll get an important signal with what he says on Thursday night.

[a fan]

Astute analysis from the WSJ Ed board :

Oh, good. It's been a while since FoxNation tried to "blame someone else" for why Trump is your nominee again. I was wondering if you'd forgotten about that game.

....you and the WSJ and Carson and other do understand that you're telling the world that Trump supporters are SO STUPID, that they think that felony convictions and things like...this is my favorite, because you have never once acknowledged this......getting caught defrauding a military charity......is a feature, not a flaw.

And you can't blame that one on the Deep State. Trump admitted to defrauding that military charity (and others), and paid what he promised by Court Order only. And you don't care, and neither do your fellow voters.

You just don't seem to understand that these Op-Ed are simply you Republicans telling future historians just how mind-numbingly stupid Republicans voters were during the Trump era. Where having Felons surrounding Trump is cool and hip. You'll need an army of historians to explain this to future American Conservatives....."the Nixon White House and all those felons were a disgrace....but when TeamTrump were convicted of felonies, it was AWESOME'.

And it's about to get worse, as Trump pounds the final economic nails in Flyover America's coffin....simply by doing what he's claiming he'll do on the campaign trail. Oh well. Sometimes I forget that I'm not allowed to point these things out, lest I offend the delicate sensibilities of TrumpNation.

[cradleandshoot]

Astute analysis from the WSJ Ed board :

Oh, good. It's been a while since FoxNation tried to "blame someone else" for why Trump is your nominee again. I was wondering if you'd forgotten about that game.

....you and the WSJ and Carson and other do understand that you're telling the world that Trump supporters are SO STUPID, that they think that felony convictions and things like...this is my favorite, because you have never once acknowledged this......getting caught defrauding a military charity......is a feature, not a flaw.

And you can't blame that one on the Deep State. Trump admitted to defrauding that military charity (and others), and paid what he promised by Court Order only. And you don't care, and neither do your fellow voters.

You just don't seem to understand that these Op-Ed are simply you Republicans telling future historians just how mind-numbingly stupid Republicans voters were during the Trump era. Where having Felons surrounding Trump is cool and hip. You'll need an army of historians to explain this to future American Conservatives....."the Nixon White House and all those felons were a disgrace....but when TeamTrump were convicted of felonies, it was AWESOME'.

And it's about to get worse, as Trump pounds the final economic nails in Flyover America's coffin....simply by doing what he's claiming he'll do on the campaign trail. Oh well. Sometimes I forget that I'm not allowed to point these things out, lest I offend the delicate sensibilities of TrumpNation.

For what it's worth my man and I'm not defending trump, his felonies were misdemeanors at best that were massaged up to felonies. I'm not certain that Tish James and Alvin Bragg would have went to such great lengths to prosecute all the other folks in NYC that are equally as guilty of similar conduct. I can grasp the concept of how trump tried to label it a legitimate business expense. I might have looked at it as blackmail.

[njbill]

I'm not certain that Tish James and Alvin Bragg would have went to such great lengths to prosecute all the other folks in NYC that are equally as guilty of similar conduct.

Bragg has prosecuted every single person who has banged a porn star, lied about it, paid her off to shut her up, falsified business records by booking the payment as a legal expense, and then run for president.

[WaffleTwineFaceoff]

I'm not certain that Tish James and Alvin Bragg would have went to such great lengths to prosecute all the other folks in NYC that are equally as guilty of similar conduct.

Bragg has prosecuted every single person who has banged a porn star, lied about it, paid her off to shut her up, falsified business records by booking the payment as a legal expense, and then run for president.

For myself, it is disgusting who he is NOT prosecuting. Feel free to look at his record of reducing or dismissing charges against persons arrested and charged with violent felonies. This includes persons who commit crimes while in criminal possession of illegally owned firearms. WTAF!!! I yearn for the good old days when porn star banging and naughty bookkeeping were the only felonious crimes being committed.

I'm with you, Cradle, on the "those were some really misdemeanor-y felonies!" Especially when one realizes just how soft Bragg is on persons perpetrating sickeningly frightening violence. One can only think "is this some kind of sick joke?" when reading about some of his office's watered down consequences determinations (or outright dismissals). Real disincentive for recidivism! Never mind the slap in the face to loved ones of these victims who feel additionally victimized by a fat guy with a personal protection detail.

[njbill]

In the law there is an saying that if you have never lost a trial, you haven't tried enough cases. Everyone loses at some point.

Trump is a very litigious individual. When you are involved in enough cases, you will lose some. He has the Supreme Court and Judge in-the-bag from Florida in his pocket so he has won some cases he shouldn't have. If you want to think he shouldn't have lost the NY case, so be it. But that is the way the cookie crumbles when you eat enough cookies.

[cradleandshoot]

I'm not certain that Tish James and Alvin Bragg would have went to such great lengths to prosecute all the other folks in NYC that are equally as guilty of similar conduct.

Bragg has prosecuted every single person who has banged a porn star, lied about it, paid her off to shut her up, falsified business records by booking the payment as a legal expense, and then run for president.

I don't know exactly how many other porn star bangers she has done such a deep dive into. Maybe I am open minded enough how you can want to spin it as a business expense. I'm surprised he didn't take the HRC tactic and just say I don't recall banging her. I might have that is when I was going through a mid life crisis. I was banging all kinds of women back then.

[PizzaSnake]

Astute analysis from the WSJ Ed board :

Oh, good. It's been a while since FoxNation tried to "blame someone else" for why Trump is your nominee again. I was wondering if you'd forgotten about that game.

....you and the WSJ and Carson and other do understand that you're telling the world that Trump supporters are SO STUPID, that they think that felony convictions and things like...this is my favorite, because you have never once acknowledged this......getting caught defrauding a military charity......is a feature, not a flaw.

And you can't blame that one on the Deep State. Trump admitted to defrauding that military charity (and others), and paid what he promised by Court Order only. And you don't care, and neither do your fellow voters.

You just don't seem to understand that these Op-Ed are simply you Republicans telling future historians just how mind-numbingly stupid Republicans voters were during the Trump era. Where having Felons surrounding Trump is cool and hip. You'll need an army of historians to explain this to future American Conservatives....."the Nixon White House and all those felons were a disgrace....but when TeamTrump were convicted of felonies, it was AWESOME'.

And it's about to get worse, as Trump pounds the final economic nails in Flyover America's coffin....simply by doing what he's claiming he'll do on the campaign trail. Oh well. Sometimes I forget that I'm not allowed to point these things out, lest I offend the delicate sensibilities of TrumpNation.

For what it's worth my man and I'm not defending trump, his felonies were misdemeanors at best that were massaged up to felonies. I'm not certain that Tish James and Alvin Bragg would have went to such great lengths to prosecute all the other folks in NYC that are equally as guilty of similar conduct. I can grasp the concept of how trump tried to label it a legitimate business expense. I might have looked at it as blackmail.

You’re perfect for the Supreme Court then. Just “butt-in” in front of Aileen…

[cradleandshoot]

Astute analysis from the WSJ Ed board :

Oh, good. It's been a while since FoxNation tried to "blame someone else" for why Trump is your nominee again. I was wondering if you'd forgotten about that game.

....you and the WSJ and Carson and other do understand that you're telling the world that Trump supporters are SO STUPID, that they think that felony convictions and things like...this is my favorite, because you have never once acknowledged this......getting caught defrauding a military charity......is a feature, not a flaw.

And you can't blame that one on the Deep State. Trump admitted to defrauding that military charity (and others), and paid what he promised by Court Order only. And you don't care, and neither do your fellow voters.

You just don't seem to understand that these Op-Ed are simply you Republicans telling future historians just how mind-numbingly stupid Republicans voters were during the Trump era. Where having Felons surrounding Trump is cool and hip. You'll need an army of historians to explain this to future American Conservatives....."the Nixon White House and all those felons were a disgrace....but when TeamTrump were convicted of felonies, it was AWESOME'.

And it's about to get worse, as Trump pounds the final economic nails in Flyover America's coffin....simply by doing what he's claiming he'll do on the campaign trail. Oh well. Sometimes I forget that I'm not allowed to point these things out, lest I offend the delicate sensibilities of TrumpNation.

For what it's worth my man and I'm not defending trump, his felonies were misdemeanors at best that were massaged up to felonies. I'm not certain that Tish James and Alvin Bragg would have went to such great lengths to prosecute all the other folks in NYC that are equally as guilty of similar conduct. I can grasp the concept of how trump tried to label it a legitimate business expense. I might have looked at it as blackmail.

You’re perfect for the Supreme Court then. Just “butt-in” in front of Aileen…

Not me lawyers and the legal system in general give me hay fever.