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xxxxxxx wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 4:01 pm You can do all the math you want, one thing I can say with confidence is, UVA better not need their goalie to make 23 saves to win by one every week or it will be a long season.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:46 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:43 pm

boxlacrosse wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:03 pm

Cooter wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:19 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:45 pm

Cooter wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:50 am

boxlacrosse wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:55 pm
Well exactly. We agree. Sowers is very good with not much of a supporting cast. Solomon has a stronger supporting cast around him and can shoot or distribute. Sowers doesn't have much to distribute to and it makes defending easier and limits the required slide packages. Your hoos have even more talent distributed around the O but are poorly organized and coached at that end of the field and therein lies a surprising weakness. it remains to be seen if your goalie can handle multiple shooters with good shot selection and again I think Desko will be able to exploit that plus the dome is not friendly to visiting teams. that being said it will be a close game.

Certainly, Sowers is a step up from Solomon, but after that I agree with you. Virginia's defensive schemes seem pretty questionable too.

Except that the statement: "Sowers doesn't have much to distribute to and it makes defending easier and limits the required slide packages." is total hooey.

Clearly there are players who put the ball in the back of the net off of Sowers feeds!

Taking out Sowers 4 goals on 9 shots, the other Princeton players scored 7 goals on 47 shots against Virginia.

So let's do simple math on that. Sowers shoots 44% and the others shoot 14% if these stats are correct. So what if only one other Princeton player shot at Sowers accuracy. That would be 6.56 shots per player if you use the 7/47 math. So if just one other player shot as well as Sowers at 44% then 6.56 shots would result in 2.8 additional goals. If the other lesser player shot 33% then it would have resulted in 2 additional goals. Or IOW, Princeton would have won by 1 or 2 goals with no OT. Also, with these shooting percentages, Sowers is the only one you would really worry about doubling all the time and tune the slide package to.

Glad you can do math, but this is a ridiculous analysis.

You're looking at a single game in which the opposing goalie had an AA day.

It's nonsensical to draw a conclusion about shooters on one game.

Over two games (still way, way too small a sample), PU has 5 players shooting at 37.5"% or better, Sowers not being the highest. Those are their 5 highest scorers. They do have one frequent shooter at just 16.7%.

Overall at 29.8%. BTW, Syracuse is currently shooting 26.4%.

Over the full 2018 season, PU shot 35.8%; Syracuse 32.8%

Didn’t the goalie set an NCAA freshman record for saves? The Princeton 33 goal scorer that led the nation in shooting percentage last season will be back at some point. He may help.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:10 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:46 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:43 pm

boxlacrosse wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:03 pm

Cooter wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:19 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:45 pm

Cooter wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:50 am

boxlacrosse wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:55 pm
Well exactly. We agree. Sowers is very good with not much of a supporting cast. Solomon has a stronger supporting cast around him and can shoot or distribute. Sowers doesn't have much to distribute to and it makes defending easier and limits the required slide packages. Your hoos have even more talent distributed around the O but are poorly organized and coached at that end of the field and therein lies a surprising weakness. it remains to be seen if your goalie can handle multiple shooters with good shot selection and again I think Desko will be able to exploit that plus the dome is not friendly to visiting teams. that being said it will be a close game.

Certainly, Sowers is a step up from Solomon, but after that I agree with you. Virginia's defensive schemes seem pretty questionable too.

Except that the statement: "Sowers doesn't have much to distribute to and it makes defending easier and limits the required slide packages." is total hooey.

Clearly there are players who put the ball in the back of the net off of Sowers feeds!

Taking out Sowers 4 goals on 9 shots, the other Princeton players scored 7 goals on 47 shots against Virginia.

So let's do simple math on that. Sowers shoots 44% and the others shoot 14% if these stats are correct. So what if only one other Princeton player shot at Sowers accuracy. That would be 6.56 shots per player if you use the 7/47 math. So if just one other player shot as well as Sowers at 44% then 6.56 shots would result in 2.8 additional goals. If the other lesser player shot 33% then it would have resulted in 2 additional goals. Or IOW, Princeton would have won by 1 or 2 goals with no OT. Also, with these shooting percentages, Sowers is the only one you would really worry about doubling all the time and tune the slide package to.

Glad you can do math, but this is a ridiculous analysis.

You're looking at a single game in which the opposing goalie had an AA day.

It's nonsensical to draw a conclusion about shooters on one game.

Over two games (still way, way too small a sample), PU has 5 players shooting at 37.5"% or better, Sowers not being the highest. Those are their 5 highest scorers. They do have one frequent shooter at just 16.7%.

Overall at 29.8%. BTW, Syracuse is currently shooting 26.4%.

Over the full 2018 season, PU shot 35.8%; Syracuse 32.8%

Didn’t the goalie set an NCAA freshman record for saves? The Princeton 33 goal scorer that led the nation in shooting percentage last season will be back at some point. He may help.

I can definitely say 'no' to the freshman goalie NCAA record. There may have been a freshman tender who has since surpassed my game at Navy in 1977, early in my freshman spring for Dartmouth, but as of that date my 34 saves on 83 shots, 51 on cage, was an overall NCAA record, not just freshman. That's NCAA era, not USILA, though.

My dad, Bo Moore, in his first year (freshman weren't eligible, so sophomore) had 35 versus Army on behalf of UVA in 1952, UVA's first NC year. I'd think there were other first year players up in that 30+ at some point. I know that Bob Catzen also had 35 for UVA a couple years before my dad, but I haven't figured out what year he was when he did it. They share the UVA record. My dad also holds the saves per game record, and saves per game in a single season (1954) record for UVA.

But 24 saves is absolutely huge in the current era. Goalies have a tougher time reading the ball out of the stick today, and many more of the shooters can sling it with accuracy, than was the case in my day, much less my dad's.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:45 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:10 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:46 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:43 pm

boxlacrosse wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:03 pm

Cooter wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:19 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:45 pm

Cooter wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:50 am

boxlacrosse wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:55 pm
Well exactly. We agree. Sowers is very good with not much of a supporting cast. Solomon has a stronger supporting cast around him and can shoot or distribute. Sowers doesn't have much to distribute to and it makes defending easier and limits the required slide packages. Your hoos have even more talent distributed around the O but are poorly organized and coached at that end of the field and therein lies a surprising weakness. it remains to be seen if your goalie can handle multiple shooters with good shot selection and again I think Desko will be able to exploit that plus the dome is not friendly to visiting teams. that being said it will be a close game.

Certainly, Sowers is a step up from Solomon, but after that I agree with you. Virginia's defensive schemes seem pretty questionable too.

Except that the statement: "Sowers doesn't have much to distribute to and it makes defending easier and limits the required slide packages." is total hooey.

Clearly there are players who put the ball in the back of the net off of Sowers feeds!

Taking out Sowers 4 goals on 9 shots, the other Princeton players scored 7 goals on 47 shots against Virginia.

So let's do simple math on that. Sowers shoots 44% and the others shoot 14% if these stats are correct. So what if only one other Princeton player shot at Sowers accuracy. That would be 6.56 shots per player if you use the 7/47 math. So if just one other player shot as well as Sowers at 44% then 6.56 shots would result in 2.8 additional goals. If the other lesser player shot 33% then it would have resulted in 2 additional goals. Or IOW, Princeton would have won by 1 or 2 goals with no OT. Also, with these shooting percentages, Sowers is the only one you would really worry about doubling all the time and tune the slide package to.

Glad you can do math, but this is a ridiculous analysis.

You're looking at a single game in which the opposing goalie had an AA day.

It's nonsensical to draw a conclusion about shooters on one game.

Over two games (still way, way too small a sample), PU has 5 players shooting at 37.5"% or better, Sowers not being the highest. Those are their 5 highest scorers. They do have one frequent shooter at just 16.7%.

Overall at 29.8%. BTW, Syracuse is currently shooting 26.4%.

Over the full 2018 season, PU shot 35.8%; Syracuse 32.8%

Didn’t the goalie set an NCAA freshman record for saves? The Princeton 33 goal scorer that led the nation in shooting percentage last season will be back at some point. He may help.

I can definitely say 'no' to the freshman goalie NCAA record. There may have been a freshman tender who has since surpassed my game at Navy in 1977, early in my freshman spring for Dartmouth, but as of that date my 34 saves on 83 shots, 51 on cage, was an overall NCAA record, not just freshman. That's NCAA era, not USILA, though.

My dad, Bo Moore, in his first year (freshman weren't eligible, so sophomore) had 35 versus Army on behalf of UVA in 1952, UVA's first NC year. I'd think there were other first year players up in that 30+ at some point. I know that Bob Catzen also had 35 for UVA a couple years before my dad, but I haven't figured out what year he was when he did it. They share the UVA record. My dad also holds the saves per game record, and saves per game in a single season (1954) record for UVA.

But 24 saves is absolutely huge in the current era. Goalies have a tougher time reading the ball out of the stick today, and many more of the shooters can sling it with accuracy, than was the case in my day, much less my dad's.

I should have questioned the source!

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:28 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:45 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:10 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:46 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:43 pm

boxlacrosse wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:03 pm

Cooter wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:19 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:45 pm

Cooter wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:50 am

boxlacrosse wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:55 pm
Well exactly. We agree. Sowers is very good with not much of a supporting cast. Solomon has a stronger supporting cast around him and can shoot or distribute. Sowers doesn't have much to distribute to and it makes defending easier and limits the required slide packages. Your hoos have even more talent distributed around the O but are poorly organized and coached at that end of the field and therein lies a surprising weakness. it remains to be seen if your goalie can handle multiple shooters with good shot selection and again I think Desko will be able to exploit that plus the dome is not friendly to visiting teams. that being said it will be a close game.

Certainly, Sowers is a step up from Solomon, but after that I agree with you. Virginia's defensive schemes seem pretty questionable too.

Except that the statement: "Sowers doesn't have much to distribute to and it makes defending easier and limits the required slide packages." is total hooey.

Clearly there are players who put the ball in the back of the net off of Sowers feeds!

Taking out Sowers 4 goals on 9 shots, the other Princeton players scored 7 goals on 47 shots against Virginia.

So let's do simple math on that. Sowers shoots 44% and the others shoot 14% if these stats are correct. So what if only one other Princeton player shot at Sowers accuracy. That would be 6.56 shots per player if you use the 7/47 math. So if just one other player shot as well as Sowers at 44% then 6.56 shots would result in 2.8 additional goals. If the other lesser player shot 33% then it would have resulted in 2 additional goals. Or IOW, Princeton would have won by 1 or 2 goals with no OT. Also, with these shooting percentages, Sowers is the only one you would really worry about doubling all the time and tune the slide package to.

Glad you can do math, but this is a ridiculous analysis.

You're looking at a single game in which the opposing goalie had an AA day.

It's nonsensical to draw a conclusion about shooters on one game.

Over two games (still way, way too small a sample), PU has 5 players shooting at 37.5"% or better, Sowers not being the highest. Those are their 5 highest scorers. They do have one frequent shooter at just 16.7%.

Overall at 29.8%. BTW, Syracuse is currently shooting 26.4%.

Over the full 2018 season, PU shot 35.8%; Syracuse 32.8%

Didn’t the goalie set an NCAA freshman record for saves? The Princeton 33 goal scorer that led the nation in shooting percentage last season will be back at some point. He may help.

I can definitely say 'no' to the freshman goalie NCAA record. There may have been a freshman tender who has since surpassed my game at Navy in 1977, early in my freshman spring for Dartmouth, but as of that date my 34 saves on 83 shots, 51 on cage, was an overall NCAA record, not just freshman. That's NCAA era, not USILA, though.

My dad, Bo Moore, in his first year (freshman weren't eligible, so sophomore) had 35 versus Army on behalf of UVA in 1952, UVA's first NC year. I'd think there were other first year players up in that 30+ at some point. I know that Bob Catzen also had 35 for UVA a couple years before my dad, but I haven't figured out what year he was when he did it. They share the UVA record. My dad also holds the saves per game record, and saves per game in a single season (1954) record for UVA.

But 24 saves is absolutely huge in the current era. Goalies have a tougher time reading the ball out of the stick today, and many more of the shooters can sling it with accuracy, than was the case in my day, much less my dad's.

I should have questioned the source!

Unless they have since edited it, they have it right that it’s the most saves a freshman Cavalier has made. UVA record, not NCAA. My dad was in the first season but as a sophomore, so they’re correct.

Epic performance in any case.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:32 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:28 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:45 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 6:10 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:46 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:43 pm

boxlacrosse wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:03 pm

Cooter wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:19 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:45 pm

Cooter wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:50 am

boxlacrosse wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:55 pm
Well exactly. We agree. Sowers is very good with not much of a supporting cast. Solomon has a stronger supporting cast around him and can shoot or distribute. Sowers doesn't have much to distribute to and it makes defending easier and limits the required slide packages. Your hoos have even more talent distributed around the O but are poorly organized and coached at that end of the field and therein lies a surprising weakness. it remains to be seen if your goalie can handle multiple shooters with good shot selection and again I think Desko will be able to exploit that plus the dome is not friendly to visiting teams. that being said it will be a close game.

Certainly, Sowers is a step up from Solomon, but after that I agree with you. Virginia's defensive schemes seem pretty questionable too.

Except that the statement: "Sowers doesn't have much to distribute to and it makes defending easier and limits the required slide packages." is total hooey.

Clearly there are players who put the ball in the back of the net off of Sowers feeds!

Taking out Sowers 4 goals on 9 shots, the other Princeton players scored 7 goals on 47 shots against Virginia.

So let's do simple math on that. Sowers shoots 44% and the others shoot 14% if these stats are correct. So what if only one other Princeton player shot at Sowers accuracy. That would be 6.56 shots per player if you use the 7/47 math. So if just one other player shot as well as Sowers at 44% then 6.56 shots would result in 2.8 additional goals. If the other lesser player shot 33% then it would have resulted in 2 additional goals. Or IOW, Princeton would have won by 1 or 2 goals with no OT. Also, with these shooting percentages, Sowers is the only one you would really worry about doubling all the time and tune the slide package to.

Glad you can do math, but this is a ridiculous analysis.

You're looking at a single game in which the opposing goalie had an AA day.

It's nonsensical to draw a conclusion about shooters on one game.

Over two games (still way, way too small a sample), PU has 5 players shooting at 37.5"% or better, Sowers not being the highest. Those are their 5 highest scorers. They do have one frequent shooter at just 16.7%.

Overall at 29.8%. BTW, Syracuse is currently shooting 26.4%.

Over the full 2018 season, PU shot 35.8%; Syracuse 32.8%

Didn’t the goalie set an NCAA freshman record for saves? The Princeton 33 goal scorer that led the nation in shooting percentage last season will be back at some point. He may help.

I can definitely say 'no' to the freshman goalie NCAA record. There may have been a freshman tender who has since surpassed my game at Navy in 1977, early in my freshman spring for Dartmouth, but as of that date my 34 saves on 83 shots, 51 on cage, was an overall NCAA record, not just freshman. That's NCAA era, not USILA, though.

My dad, Bo Moore, in his first year (freshman weren't eligible, so sophomore) had 35 versus Army on behalf of UVA in 1952, UVA's first NC year. I'd think there were other first year players up in that 30+ at some point. I know that Bob Catzen also had 35 for UVA a couple years before my dad, but I haven't figured out what year he was when he did it. They share the UVA record. My dad also holds the saves per game record, and saves per game in a single season (1954) record for UVA.

But 24 saves is absolutely huge in the current era. Goalies have a tougher time reading the ball out of the stick today, and many more of the shooters can sling it with accuracy, than was the case in my day, much less my dad's.

I should have questioned the source!

Unless they have since edited it, they have it right that it’s the most saves a freshman Cavalier has made. UVA record, not NCAA. My dad was in the first season but as a sophomore, so they’re correct.

Epic performance in any case.

OK.. I may have misread it!

molo wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:06 pm Q gets the call. It's on the espn that you need a cable account to get. I guess I'll watch Hopkins-Princeton in real time and catch the replay of this one.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 4:21 pm great game. there really is no other game like it regular season.

Cooter wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 5:46 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 4:21 pm great game. there really is no other game like it regular season.

In what respect?
and to whom?

Cooter wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 5:46 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 4:21 pm great game. there really is no other game like it regular season.

In what respect?
and to whom?

ardilla secreta wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:12 pm

Cooter wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 5:46 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Mar 02, 2019 4:21 pm great game. there really is no other game like it regular season.

In what respect?
and to whom?

Seems pretty obvious he’s talking about how even the SU-UVA series is. In the 36 games played between the two they are 18-18 and each has scored 466 goals apiece not to mention the fifth straight one goal game. Can’t get any closer than that.

Aiken, Kraus, Moore get most of the goals but sitting in the Dome I was really impressed with middie #22 Ryan Conrad. Seemed like he was in on everything. 7 GB to lead the team and 2 goals to boot. Big game #22