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Re: Military readiness

Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2024 8:37 am
by youthathletics
Kismet wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2024 8:13 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2024 8:06 am
Kismet wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2024 7:57 am
youthathletics wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2024 7:17 am Makes we wonder....who handed this weapon and why did they do this to him. I suspect it was an intentional. I would have played it off and said " I can shoot better than you, even with the scope backwards" :lol:
A modern day Lieutenant Commander Queeg, perhaps?

The timing is also unusual as this ship has currently been deployed to the ME for the past 4 months as part of the Roosevelt battle group.
Maybe he simply lost his marbles? :D
or maybe just a Jonah. ;)

Although the Navy relieved a total of 16 commanding officers in 2023 alone.

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ ... 023-212601
Have spoken to a bunch of retired Navy recently....seems the are trying to get rid of the 'oldies'.

Re: Military readiness

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 6:12 am
by old salt
...but more importantly, we're obsessing over whether or not Haitian immigrants are eating our dogs & cats,
but we're reassured that Kamala Harris grew up in a neighborhood with nice lawns, while working at McDonalds.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/u-s-shrugs- ... icle_pos10

U.S. Shrugs as World War III Approaches
A devastating report on global threats and American weakness is met with indifference.
by Walter Russell Mead, Sept. 16, 2024

The news from abroad is chilling. Washington Post columnist David Ignatius reports from Kyiv that Ukraine is “bleeding out” as its weary soldiers struggle against a numerically superior Russia. The New York Times reports that China is expanding the geographical reach and escalating violence in its campaign to drive Philippine forces from islands and shoals that Beijing illegitimately claims. And Bloomberg reports that Washington officials are fearful that Russia will help Iran cross the finish line in its race for nuclear weapons.

These stories, all from liberal news outlets generally favorable to the Biden administration, tell a tragic and terrifying tale of global failure on the part of the U.S. and its allies. China, Russia and Iran are stepping up their attacks on what remains of the Pax Americana and continue to make gains at the expense of Washington and its allies around the world.

What none of these stories do is connect the dots by analyzing the consequences of repeated American failure on the widely separated fronts of the international contest now taking place. To see what this all means and where it is leading, we must turn to the recently released report of the Commission on the National Defense Strategy. This panel of eight experts, named by the senior Republicans and Democrats on the House and Senate Armed Services committees, consulted widely across government, reviewing both public and classified information, and issued a unanimous report that, in a healthy political climate, would be the central topic in national conversation.

The bipartisan report details a devastating picture of political failure, strategic inadequacy and growing American weakness in a time of rapidly increasing danger. The U.S. faces the “most serious and most challenging” threats since 1945, including the real risk of “near-term major war.” The report warns: “The nation was last prepared for such a fight during the Cold War, which ended 35 years ago. It is not prepared today.”

Worse, “China and Russia’s ‘no-limits’ partnership, formed in February 2022 just days before Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, has only deepened and broadened to include a military and economic partnership with Iran and North Korea. . . . This new alignment of nations opposed to U.S. interests creates a real risk, if not likelihood, that conflict anywhere could become a multitheater or global war.”

Should such a conflict break out, “the Commission finds that the U.S. military lacks both the capabilities and the capacity required to be confident it can deter and prevail in combat.”

To summarize, World War III is becoming more likely in the near term, and the U.S. is too weak either to prevent it or, should war come, to be confident of victory.

A more devastating indictment of a failed generation of national leadership could scarcely be penned.

This is not, or should not be, a partisan issue. No recent president and no party escapes responsibility for our current plight. Red and blue America will suffer equally if the global slide toward war continues unchecked.

Even more appalling than the report is the general indifference with which it has been received. Aside from a few honorable exceptions (including a Wall Street Journal opinion piece by Shay Khatiri and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s clear-sighted advocacy), the commission’s report sank like a stone. There has been no uproar in the press, no speechifying by presidential candidates, no storm on social media, no sign that the American political class takes the slightest interest in the increasing fragility of the peace on which everything we cherish depends.

That isn’t new. Congress, much of the media and public opinion at large have ignored alerts from respected defense leaders at least since Robert Gates warned almost 12 years ago of the dangerous consequences of defense cutbacks. The commission’s report is now warning that the long-deferred bill is coming due.

If history teaches anything, it is that decadence this deep, carried on this long, entails enormous costs. Our adversaries’ conviction that the inattention of a flabby political class is bringing the Pax Americana to an inglorious end is a key reason why nations as suspicious of one another as China, Russia, Iran and North Korea have chosen this moment to make common cause against us.

The prophet Ezekiel spoke about the duty of the watchman on the city wall to sound the trumpet when enemies approach. The Commission on the National Defense Strategy has fulfilled its mission. But judging from the indifference with which its report has been greeted, more and louder trumpets need to sound. Not since the 1930s have Americans been this profoundly indifferent as a great war assembles in the world outside, and not since Paul Revere traversed the dark country lanes of Massachusetts have Americans more urgently needed to rouse themselves from sleep.

Re: Military readiness

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 7:59 am
by Kismet
The one thing that all these opinion writers like this fellow and VDH do very well is COMPLAIN. How is it that they never offer any alternative solutions/strategies for the situation we find ourselves in?

One thing for certain - Bibi (and his right wing allies) are going for all out war in the Middle East. They have apparently concluded that their only play is to wipe the terrorists in Gaza and Lebanon off the map. Abraham accords will be in tatters before long.

Re: Military readiness

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 10:30 am
by OCanada
Bibi helped fund Hamas bcs he wanted go get rid of the PLO, he has zero interest in a rwo state solution, Zero interest except total control of the state if Israel and its land mass. Unfortunately for him ideas die very slowly. Probably slower than than his tineline would like.

Re: Military readiness

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 10:36 am
by a fan
Kismet wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 7:59 am The one thing that all these opinion writers like this fellow and VDH do very well is COMPLAIN. How is it that they never offer any alternative solutions/strategies for the situation we find ourselves in?
We've gotten 15 years of VDH...they're all the same....

-no matter what they do, the DEM is doing it wrong.

-and VDH "forgot" to write about what Trump did or didn't do. Not one word of criticism.


Which is why OS loves him. It's pointless to get analysis from either of them. We all know that no matter what Trump does, OS and VDH will either love it, or not say one ill word.

Re: Military readiness

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 10:37 am
by old salt
The Arab states in the ME (other than Iran's Shia puppets) want nothing to do with Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, IS or any other terrorist proxies of Iran. They're happy to let Israel wipe them out. They fear Iran, not Israel. That's why the Abraham Accords will expand & endure.

Re: Military readiness

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 10:39 am
by a fan
old salt wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 6:12 am The U.S. faces the “most serious and most challenging” threats since 1945, including the real risk of “near-term major war.” The report warns: “The nation was last prepared for such a fight during the Cold War, which ended 35 years ago. It is not prepared today.”
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: The amazing Russian army couldn't beat Ukraine....one shipment from Trump, and it stopped them Cold.

China's policies regarding kids is now royally screwing the Chinese economy long term.....aging population, not enough young workers to feed them.


And VDH is on here telling us it's 1950 again. Idiot.

Re: Military readiness

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 10:40 am
by a fan
old salt wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 10:37 am They fear Iran, not Israel.
That's right. And who thought it was REALLY smart to wipe out the only real regional power, in Iraq?

And you're on here shocked that Iran is a PIA. Look in the mirror....that was you and your team that intentionally made Iran the winner in the area.

Re: Military readiness

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 10:45 am
by old salt
a fan wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 10:36 am
Kismet wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 7:59 am The one thing that all these opinion writers like this fellow and VDH do very well is COMPLAIN. How is it that they never offer any alternative solutions/strategies for the situation we find ourselves in?
We've gotten 15 years of VDH...they're all the same....

-no matter what they do, the DEM is doing it wrong.

-and VDH "forgot" to write about what Trump did or didn't do. Not one word of criticism.

Which is why OS loves him. It's pointless to get analysis from either of them. We all know that no matter what Trump does, OS and VDH will either love it, or not say one ill word.
Trump took out Solemani & kept Iran broke. Trump struck a Syrian air base when they used chem weapons. The Houthis did not shut down the Red Sea & Suez canal with Iranian drones & missiles....& obtw, Russia invaded Ukraine before & after Trump was in office. Biden freed up Iran's funds that pay for the missiles & drones they provide to Russia & their ME proxies.

Re: Military readiness

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 10:51 am
by old salt
a fan wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 10:39 am
old salt wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 6:12 am The U.S. faces the “most serious and most challenging” threats since 1945, including the real risk of “near-term major war.” The report warns: “The nation was last prepared for such a fight during the Cold War, which ended 35 years ago. It is not prepared today.”
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: The amazing Russian army couldn't beat Ukraine....one shipment from Trump, and it stopped them Cold.

China's policies regarding kids is now royally screwing the Chinese economy long term.....aging population, not enough young workers to feed them.

And VDH is on here telling us it's 1950 again. Idiot.
You do not even know who you are quoting. Those are not VDH's or my words. You are a fool. Ukraine is bleeding out, on the verge of collapse.
Russia, along with Iran & N Korea are cranking out drones & missiles faster & cheaper than we can make the more expensive missiles to shoot them down. Likewise with artillery shells. Chinese Coast Guard ships are ramming Philippine Navy ships in Philippine territorial waters.

Re: Military readiness

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 11:10 am
by cradleandshoot
The fact that every forum member should be aware of is very simple. When the USA projects weakness and indecisiveness the bad actors of the world will notice and act accordingly. Saying that does not imply that the USA is picking a fight. The bad actors will be more than happy to test our resolve. The hooties in Yemen are still firing missiles at will in the Red Sea. They are a prime example of some bad actors that don't give a rats ass about what they think the USA will do to stop them. The bad actors will do whatever we let them get away with. :D

Re: Military readiness

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 11:16 am
by cradleandshoot
old salt wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 10:51 am
a fan wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 10:39 am
old salt wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 6:12 am The U.S. faces the “most serious and most challenging” threats since 1945, including the real risk of “near-term major war.” The report warns: “The nation was last prepared for such a fight during the Cold War, which ended 35 years ago. It is not prepared today.”
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: The amazing Russian army couldn't beat Ukraine....one shipment from Trump, and it stopped them Cold.

China's policies regarding kids is now royally screwing the Chinese economy long term.....aging population, not enough young workers to feed them.

And VDH is on here telling us it's 1950 again. Idiot.
You do not even know who you are quoting. Those are not VDH's or my words. You are a fool. Ukraine is bleeding out, on the verge of collapse.
Russia, along with Iran & N Korea are cranking out drones & missiles faster & cheaper than we can make the more expensive missiles to shoot them down. Likewise with artillery shells. Chinese Coast Guard ships are ramming Philippine Navy ships in Philippine territorial waters.
What plan does Kamala have to deal with this chitstorm that might get dumped in her lap ? Ukraine has become a war of attrition that they are losing. The USA gave them the surface to surface missiles that might have delayed the inevitable, but Joe Biden said no way don't use them. Whatta way to fight a war??

Re: Military readiness

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 11:17 am
by Kismet
old salt wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 10:37 am The Arab states in the ME (other than Iran's Shia puppets) want nothing to do with Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, IS or any other terrorist proxies of Iran. They're happy to let Israel wipe them out. They fear Iran, not Israel. That's why the Abraham Accords will expand & endure.
Excuse me?????? What planet are you on :?: :?: :?:
Qatar hosts Hamas political operatives all the time - Ismail Haniyeh was living in Doha before he was recently assassinated in Iran. His team is still living there.

Think again - Prince MBS (Jared's business partner) in Saudi Arabia just said no normalization with Israel until there is a deal on a two state solution.

Once again you're just winging it as usual. :oops:

Re: Military readiness

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 11:25 am
by cradleandshoot
Kismet wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 11:17 am
old salt wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 10:37 am The Arab states in the ME (other than Iran's Shia puppets) want nothing to do with Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, IS or any other terrorist proxies of Iran. They're happy to let Israel wipe them out. They fear Iran, not Israel. That's why the Abraham Accords will expand & endure.
Excuse me?????? What planet are you on :?: :?: :?:
Qatar hosts Hamas political operatives all the time - Ismail Haniyeh was living in Doha before he was recently assassinated in Iran. His team is still living there.

Think again - Prince MBS (Jared's business partner) in Saudi Arabia just said no normalization with Israel until there is a deal on a two state solution.

Once again you're just winging it as usual. :oops:
Have you received the message from Bibi? He has a free pager for you with no strings attached.

Re: Military readiness

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 11:29 am
by Kismet
cradleandshoot wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 11:25 am Have you received the message from Bibi? He has a free pager for you with no strings attached.
My number is unlisted and I only use a Palm Pilot. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Military readiness

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 11:33 am
by a fan
old salt wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 10:51 am
a fan wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 10:39 am
old salt wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 6:12 am The U.S. faces the “most serious and most challenging” threats since 1945, including the real risk of “near-term major war.” The report warns: “The nation was last prepared for such a fight during the Cold War, which ended 35 years ago. It is not prepared today.”
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: The amazing Russian army couldn't beat Ukraine....one shipment from Trump, and it stopped them Cold.

China's policies regarding kids is now royally screwing the Chinese economy long term.....aging population, not enough young workers to feed them.

And VDH is on here telling us it's 1950 again. Idiot.
You do not even know who you are quoting. Those are not VDH's or my words. You are a fool.
And you're a partisan idiot.

Ukraine "bleeding out" has NOTHING to do with "the most serious and most challenging threats". Next time, don't tell us it's awesome to give them arms...and then act shocked that this decision has repercussions.

And it's LAUGHABLE that America ain't ready for war. Dude: we've been at war nonstop for DECADES. Why the F do you think we keep getting KIA and casualty reports every freaking year? NO ONE is more prepared than we are. Why do you think suicide rates are so high for Vets and active duty? It's because we've kept them in war zones for YEARS, and they're tired of watching their friends blow up.

China? They have ZERO veterans. Zero. Not one single person in their army has combat experience. And you and your fellow military experts NEVER mention this. As if that's just no biggie, who cares.

And you keep claiming you're not a neo-con, yet you won't shut up about Chinese drills in a region that we have ZERO treaties with. It ain't our problem. Either take it up with NATO, or stop claiming you're not a neo-con who thinks every problem on Earth needs war.

Re: Military readiness

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 11:43 am
by Typical Lax Dad
a fan wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 11:33 am
old salt wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 10:51 am
a fan wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 10:39 am
old salt wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 6:12 am The U.S. faces the “most serious and most challenging” threats since 1945, including the real risk of “near-term major war.” The report warns: “The nation was last prepared for such a fight during the Cold War, which ended 35 years ago. It is not prepared today.”
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: The amazing Russian army couldn't beat Ukraine....one shipment from Trump, and it stopped them Cold.

China's policies regarding kids is now royally screwing the Chinese economy long term.....aging population, not enough young workers to feed them.

And VDH is on here telling us it's 1950 again. Idiot.
You do not even know who you are quoting. Those are not VDH's or my words. You are a fool.
And you're a partisan idiot.

Ukraine "bleeding out" has NOTHING to do with "the most serious and most challenging threats". Next time, don't tell us it's awesome to give them arms...and then act shocked that this decision has repercussions.

And it's LAUGHABLE that America ain't ready for war. Dude: we've been at war nonstop for DECADES. Why the F do you think we keep getting KIA and casualty reports every freaking year? NO ONE is more prepared than we are. Why do you think suicide rates are so high for Vets and active duty? It's because we've kept them in war zones for YEARS, and they're tired of watching their friends blow up.

China? They have ZERO veterans. Zero. Not one single person in their army has combat experience. And you and your fellow military experts NEVER mention this. As it it's just no biggie, who cares.

And you keep claiming you're not a neo-con, yet you won't shut up about Chinese drills in a region that we have ZERO treaties with. It ain't our problem. Either take it up with NATO, or stop claiming you're not a neo-con who thinks every problem on Earth needs war.
It just dawned on me that Grenada has more combat vets than China.

Re: Military readiness

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 11:44 am
by a fan
old salt wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 10:45 am
a fan wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 10:36 am
Kismet wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 7:59 am The one thing that all these opinion writers like this fellow and VDH do very well is COMPLAIN. How is it that they never offer any alternative solutions/strategies for the situation we find ourselves in?
We've gotten 15 years of VDH...they're all the same....

-no matter what they do, the DEM is doing it wrong.

-and VDH "forgot" to write about what Trump did or didn't do. Not one word of criticism.

Which is why OS loves him. It's pointless to get analysis from either of them. We all know that no matter what Trump does, OS and VDH will either love it, or not say one ill word.
Trump took out Solemani & kept Iran broke. Trump struck a Syrian air base when they used chem weapons. The Houthis did not shut down the Red Sea & Suez canal with Iranian drones & missiles....& obtw, Russia invaded Ukraine before & after Trump was in office. Biden freed up Iran's funds that pay for the missiles & drones they provide to Russia & their ME proxies.
Right on cue. Isn't this cute Kismet?

-when Obama sanctioned Russia, OS mocked Obama, and told us it was stupid and didn't work
-when Trump sanctions Iran and bails on the JCPOA? Oh, that's awesome. Keep it up.

OS thinks Iran needs money, and Russia doesn't. That's how bright he is, and what the magic R does...turns his brain to mush.

He doesn't like me because I pay attention to what he writes, and call out his nonstop hypocrisy that makes his "opinions" useless. He thinks that being a conservative means that no matter what a R does, it's perfect, and no matter what a D does, it's bad. Yeah, no. That's what morons do. I'm better off discussing foreign policy with my dog.

OS hasn't had an original thought since Trump came down that escalator. You're better off simply citing FoxNews, because that's all he does here. He thinks it's a "coincidence" that FoxNation and OS's opinion on EVERYTHING is 100% identical.

Hey OS...remember Obama's sanctions on Putin that you though was pointless? That's one reason why his army has stalled, and he had to draft old men. You need MONEY to wage war. Something you understand just fine if you're whining about sending money and expensive arms to Ukraine....yet get all kinds of stupid when we're discussing Putin.

Re: Military readiness

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 12:03 pm
by OCanada
I am constantly amazed by OS disdain for fact and context.

Re: Military readiness

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2024 3:03 pm
by cradleandshoot
OCanada wrote: Sun Sep 22, 2024 12:03 pm I am constantly amazed by OS disdain for fact and context.
Well too bad your so f***king stupid to not understand what Old Salt is saying. That is on you and not on Old Salt. Maybe you need some remedial training?