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DocBarrister wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:29 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:09 pm Some more color from Chris Jastrzembski:

https://twitter.com/Chris_Jast/status/1 ... 9638380545

Interviewed:
Dan Chemotti
Peter Milliman
Mike Murphy
Shawn Nadelen
Greg Raymond
Seth Tierney

"Finalists":
Nadelen
Chemotti
"One or two others"

Mostly jibes with what I've been hearing

Both Nads and Chemotti would be superb hires. As long as Chemotti doesn't leave for Duke in 3 years when Dano calls it quits

My complete wild-swing guess? Finalists: Nadelen, Chemotti, AND Murphy.

My wager: Murphy.

Frankly, all three would be a great catch for Hopkins. Would be an honor to have any one of them.

DocBarrister

Homer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:13 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:38 pm That said, it's super weird Marr hasn't been contacted. Perhaps he will be this week.

I maintain that this has always been Nadelen's job to lose no matter who the other candidates are.

IMO it's mildly surprising but not necessarily shocking if Marr wasn't really in consideration. I think you may have hit at least partly on the reason yourself. If there's any sense of a clean break and culture change being needed, Scott might have been seen as too closely personally connected to the old regime. You definitely don't want to be having a situation where your guy is trying to establish himself as the new sheriff in town and half the team is going "LOL Kyle's dad." I'm not saying that's necessarily fair or accurate but I can see the thought process.

I also think, on the broader scale, there's maybe a bit of a perception that Marr's success at Albany is a really impressive story, but so closely tied to certain site-specific factors -- the Native pipeline generally and the Thompsons in particular -- that it's just unclear how it would translate to another, very different kind of setting. Again, may or may not be fair, but I do think it's out there.

I do agree with you that Nadelen has likely been the heavy favorite from the start.

viho wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:11 am

Homer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:13 pm

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:38 pm That said, it's super weird Marr hasn't been contacted. Perhaps he will be this week.

I maintain that this has always been Nadelen's job to lose no matter who the other candidates are.

IMO it's mildly surprising but not necessarily shocking if Marr wasn't really in consideration. I think you may have hit at least partly on the reason yourself. If there's any sense of a clean break and culture change being needed, Scott might have been seen as too closely personally connected to the old regime. You definitely don't want to be having a situation where your guy is trying to establish himself as the new sheriff in town and half the team is going "LOL Kyle's dad." I'm not saying that's necessarily fair or accurate but I can see the thought process.

I also think, on the broader scale, there's maybe a bit of a perception that Marr's success at Albany is a really impressive story, but so closely tied to certain site-specific factors -- the Native pipeline generally and the Thompsons in particular -- that it's just unclear how it would translate to another, very different kind of setting. Again, may or may not be fair, but I do think it's out there.

I do agree with you that Nadelen has likely been the heavy favorite from the start.

you're really grasping on coach marr. of corse it was super wierd that he wasnt in the first round of interviews. it is amazing that a search firm would make such a big whiff. marr represented the perfect marriage between culture change and hopkins tradition. he's also the most accomplished of that group.

CU77 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:28 pm IMO you're not giving Milliman enough credit, especially for the Ivy tournament: remember that Cornell beat Yale on Sunday after playing a very leisurely and untaxing game (that they easily won) against Brown on Friday.

Catbird wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:02 am
No, he really isn't. Everything he said is not only plausible but likely. Even more likely when you heard stories that guys on the team were throwing his name out there on the conference call with the AD as someone *THEY* would want as coach. You don't let the players pick the coach, and you don't give the job to someone who half the team knows cordially as the dad of one of their friends.

Marr is also close to the same age as Petro and has been coaching just as long (if not longer), and my guess is they want someone younger who could stay with the program for a long time if successful. Not sure if anyone remembers that Scott Marr was the OC at Maryland for Dick Edell in '95 when they knocked our undefeated team out in the Final Four.

Agree with others that links to Seth Tierney are most likely a courtesy to assauge some in the program who have fond memories of the mid'aughts, and not a serious candidate. Homer is right that though he has ties to Petro, it is ancient history as far as current college kids are concerned.

There are a ton of Duke guys coaching also, only one of them will eventually get the Durham job when Danowski retires.. and the other guys have to be looking at the front-runner being the guy currently in Durham who shares the name of the current head coach.

FMUBart wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:29 pm Don't see Marr getting the job, strikes me as more of a "dude" type coach based on the talent he has brought into UA--great players, but not exactly Hopkins-esque. Marr strikes more as more in the Simmons mold vs. Ciccarone. Unfortunately, I think it's either Raymond(my front-runner) or Nadelen. Luckily the season was cut short, otherwise Nadelen would have some explaining to do(0-6 with Duke and Denver up next on the schedule; although, maybe the Tigers would've had a good run in the CAA?).

I see dark horses: Cassesse, Sowell or Wray. Given the covid-19 pandemic, the coaching carousel appears stalled...

Chemotti is committed to staying at Richmond, according to a source. He was one of the top candidates to become the next head coach at Johns Hopkins.

Catbird wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:02 am [

. You don't let the players pick the coach, and you don't give the job to someone who half the team knows cordially as the dad of one of their friends.


There are a ton of Duke guys coaching also, only one of them will eventually get the Durham job when Danowski retires.. and the other guys have to be looking at the front-runner being the guy currently in Durham who shares the name of the current head coach.

steel_hop wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:11 am

Catbird wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:02 am
No, he really isn't. Everything he said is not only plausible but likely. Even more likely when you heard stories that guys on the team were throwing his name out there on the conference call with the AD as someone *THEY* would want as coach. You don't let the players pick the coach, and you don't give the job to someone who half the team knows cordially as the dad of one of their friends.

Marr is also close to the same age as Petro and has been coaching just as long (if not longer), and my guess is they want someone younger who could stay with the program for a long time if successful. Not sure if anyone remembers that Scott Marr was the OC at Maryland for Dick Edell in '95 when they knocked our undefeated team out in the Final Four.

Agree with others that links to Seth Tierney are most likely a courtesy to assauge some in the program who have fond memories of the mid'aughts, and not a serious candidate. Homer is right that though he has ties to Petro, it is ancient history as far as current college kids are concerned.

There are a ton of Duke guys coaching also, only one of them will eventually get the Durham job when Danowski retires.. and the other guys have to be looking at the front-runner being the guy currently in Durham who shares the name of the current head coach.

So, I haven't had to post in a while...I think I was the first post on this thread, but, this entire thread reads like my thoughts from all the way back in 2010 until earlier this year. Posters have hit on:
- Hopkins dramatically dropping win percentage between certain errors. I was on this a long time ago but was more focused on Hopkins losing records against other peer programs even way back in the 2010-2014 time period, which demonstrates how Hopkins would do in the tournament. As Hopkins record dropped against peer programs, the tournament results made a similar drop. Then Hopkins started regularly losing to non-peer programs and the rest is history.

- Maybe a move to the B1G isn't the right one. It is what it is at this point. I doubt they move back to being an independent.

- ER is okay for the top kids like Epstein, Tinney, etc. [Note: 3 teams that seemed to have done a ton of ER - Maryland, UNC and UVA all have won NC in the last 5-6 years.

- If you do ER, you also have to be ruthless. In that you have to be willing to drop a recruit if the player doesn't continue to improve or continue to be as athletically dominate. Much like football and basketball recruit and make offers early, they also pull scholarships for players that don't have the same level of talent differences they showed earlier on. There are ways to do this that provides cover to the player. Petro's loyalty is one of his strongest traits of his character. It is also one of his biggest weaknesses and it showed in his ER and not being more critical of recruiting evaluations.

- If you do ER, you better be able to supplement misses with transfers. That is obviously much harder at Hopkins than UMd or others but it is still something dropped off considerable at Hopkins in the last half decade. Would Hopkins have won the 2007 title with out Bocklett?

- Hopkins hung Petro out to dry by not either extending him or firing after the end of last year. It is a testament to him that he was able to keep the recruiting class intact given his contract situation. But, it shouldn't be shocking that a team played with a level of lethargy given the lack of commitment to the leader of the program. This isn't to say DP should have received a contract extension. He shouldn't but he should have been canned last year and a new coach brought it.

Lastly, I suspect, you are right that Tierney interview is about placating some people that remember the 2001-2006 period. He's done nothing at Hofstra to warrant an upgrade in the coaching ranks.

primitiveskills wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:37 pm For Hopkins' sake, let's hope that Chemotti's decision is indication that he's Danowski's heir apparent. Otherwise, it's an indictment of where JHU is as a program.

loyolapride2015 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:26 pm I think Hopkins is about to hire a coach who was 0-8 at a school where they can’t get anyone they want. What a nightmare. Everyone is dropping out of this race after they hear about the job and look into the state of program. Hopkins job is certainly not what it use to be.

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:14 pm So Shay and Alberici flat out said no.
Highly regarded up and comers at schools who appear to support their programs- Richmond, Lehigh and Cornell are no longer involved, either by their choice or the committee's.
Marr may have had interest.

Its also very possible there are a lot of guys betting on themselves and their current arrangement over the prospect of uprooting their families for a less than great scenario.

"Never be the guy who follows a legend?"

So that leaves Nads, Tierney...Murphy, Warne??