DMac wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 6:48 pm
If you're emotionally involved you'd see it that way, personally I saw nothing wrong with it, she apparently just wanted to end it that way. Leave the cage open and you take that risk. The girls are probably long over it while parents lament. This was a meaningless goal which didn't end the game on a sour note to these eyes (nor the majority of objective viewers with no dog in the hunt, no doubt).
Sorry, the goalie was there (no open cage), they had a woman up opportunity, no shot clock and she took the shot with 6.4 seconds left. All of the players that I talked to on the Hounds team were very disappointed (my word, not their's) that she did that. The girls were not over it (long or short). It did end the game on a very sour note.
I am sorry, but I hope that she or her coach understand how unnecessary that was. You can brush it off, but it shows character to win without rubbing your opponent's nose in the dirt, regardless of motivation.
Re: NCAA Tournament
Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 8:04 pm
by DMac
Sorry about the technical inaccuracy, I obviously don't remember the play as clearly as you do.
Any of the Eagle girls share the same sentiments as the Hounds girls about Belle's stake to the heart?
Hounds were disappointed, probably a bit dejected, of course they'd see it that way. Mountain-mole hill.
Might have ended the game on a sour note for some, but I doubt the vast majority. I gotta wonder what
your reaction would be if someone came on here reprimanding your daughter and telling her she needed
a lecture on sportsmanship. Frankly, I think that's poor sportsmanship.
Re: NCAA Tournament
Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 8:52 pm
by Dr. Tact
DMac wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 8:04 pm
Sorry about the technical inaccuracy, I obviously don't remember the play as clearly as you do.
Any of the Eagle girls share the same sentiments as the Hounds girls about Belle's stake to the heart?
Hounds were disappointed, probably a bit dejected, of course they'd see it that way. Mountain-mole hill.
Might have ended the game on a sour note for some, but I doubt the vast majority. I gotta wonder what
your reaction would be if someone came on here reprimanding your daughter and telling her she needed
a lecture on sportsmanship. Frankly, I think that's poor sportsmanship.
It is my opinion that you dont score like that. If my daughter did that, she never has, i would talk with her about it. I would understand others comments if that happened, but it never did, in her whole career.Trying to tell me that i have poor sportsmanship is silly.
I dont care what the eagles players think, although if the table was turned, i am sure they would have an opinion.
I am just sharing my thoughts on the situation. Of course loyola players were disappointed and it makes it easier to focus anger on a questionable decision. I stand by my statement, there was no need to score at that point. They had already won the game by 6.
Vast majority? Everyone watching lacrosse? Or people with skin in the game? Every person in those stands that wasnt a bc fan was asking why that was necessary..
Dmac ...i don't know why you are defending this so vehemently. I expressed my opinion on why i thought it was ill advised. I shared what 40% of the crowd felt. It wasnt anything more than a disappointed statement. Smith, her family, her coaches, her school shouldnt care one bit about my opinion or the extended loyola opinion. I just think it was unfortunate and avoidable by a talented player who didnt need to do that. I'm a semi anonymous poster, that nobody cares about. I just think that you win with class and scoring with 6 seconds left while winning by 6 is less than classy.
Re: NCAA Tournament
Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 9:19 pm
by LarryGamLax
DMac wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 8:04 pm
Sorry about the technical inaccuracy, I obviously don't remember the play as clearly as you do.
Any of the Eagle girls share the same sentiments as the Hounds girls about Belle's stake to the heart?
Hounds were disappointed, probably a bit dejected, of course they'd see it that way. Mountain-mole hill.
Might have ended the game on a sour note for some, but I doubt the vast majority. I gotta wonder what
your reaction would be if someone came on here reprimanding your daughter and telling her she needed
a lecture on sportsmanship. Frankly, I think that's poor sportsmanship.
See DMac, this is silly. Anyone who thinks that last goal was okay is not of sound mind or logic. The criticism is warranted.
And once again, you can't seem to make a comment or critique about the game or players without wading into some ridiculous territory of fragile egos.
Someone said this Forum should celebrate what these young women achieve. Okay, but what about honesty? Can I say a player didn't play well, shoot well, defend well? Can I question a coach's strategies or decision making OR do I need a Hall Pass first??
DMac wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 8:04 pm
Sorry about the technical inaccuracy, I obviously don't remember the play as clearly as you do.
Any of the Eagle girls share the same sentiments as the Hounds girls about Belle's stake to the heart?
Hounds were disappointed, probably a bit dejected, of course they'd see it that way. Mountain-mole hill.
Might have ended the game on a sour note for some, but I doubt the vast majority. I gotta wonder what
your reaction would be if someone came on here reprimanding your daughter and telling her she needed
a lecture on sportsmanship. Frankly, I think that's poor sportsmanship.
It is my opinion that you dont score like that. If my daughter did that, she never has, i would talk with her about it. I would understand others comments if that happened, but it never did, in her whole career.Trying to tell me that i have poor sportsmanship is silly. How 'bout the girl just had a day and thought she'd put the cherry on top, with no ill intent, to finish it? She was enjoying her moment, nothing more.
I do think it's poor sportsmanship to come on here and reprimand her for that. I have a pretty good idea how that would go if your daughter were the subject here. That scenario is not restricted to scoring a goal with seconds left and having already won the game.
I dont care what the eagles players think, although if the table was turned, i am sure they would have an opinion. They, no doubt, don't care what you think either.
I am just sharing my thoughts on the situation. Of course loyola players were disappointed and it makes it easier to focus anger on a questionable decision. I stand by my statement, there was no need to score at that point. They had already won the game by 6. Nope, no need.
Vast majority? Everyone watching lacrosse? Or people with skin in the game? Every person in those stands that wasnt a bc fan was asking why that was necessary.. I think there are real good odds the vast majority of wlax fans with no skin in the game didn't see it as a big deal. Was a girl putting an exclamation point on the game. A real big game, where emotions were high with the Eagles and fans too.
Dmac ...i don't know why you are defending this so vehemently. I expressed my opinion on why i thought it was ill advised. I shared what 40% of the crowd felt. It wasnt anything more than a disappointed statement. Smith, her family, her coaches, her school shouldnt care one bit about my opinion or the extended loyola opinion. I just think it was unfortunate and avoidable by a talented player who didnt need to do that. I'm a semi anonymous poster, that nobody cares about. I just think that you win with class and scoring with 6 seconds left while winning by 6 is less than classy. Wasn't anything more than a celebration goal, she had a moment that needs no reprimanding or lectures.
If the crowd had been 80% green, then 80% of the crowd would have felt that way.
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DMac wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 8:04 pm
Sorry about the technical inaccuracy, I obviously don't remember the play as clearly as you do.
Any of the Eagle girls share the same sentiments as the Hounds girls about Belle's stake to the heart?
Hounds were disappointed, probably a bit dejected, of course they'd see it that way. Mountain-mole hill.
Might have ended the game on a sour note for some, but I doubt the vast majority. I gotta wonder what
your reaction would be if someone came on here reprimanding your daughter and telling her she needed
a lecture on sportsmanship. Frankly, I think that's poor sportsmanship.
See DMac, this is silly. Anyone who thinks that last goal was okay is not of sound mind or logic. The criticism is warranted.
And once again, you can't seem to make a comment or critique about the game or players without wading into some ridiculous territory of fragile egos.
Someone said this Forum should celebrate what these young women achieve. Okay, but what about honesty? Can I say a player didn't play well, shoot well, defend well? Can I question a coach's strategies or decision making OR do I need a Hall Pass first??
The answer to the question is, you need the Pass.
D1 wlax forum is a road of eggs shells, step carefully.
Silly? Not so much, there are a ton of people who don't
see this as such a big deal.
Fragile egos?
DMac wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 8:04 pm
Sorry about the technical inaccuracy, I obviously don't remember the play as clearly as you do.
Any of the Eagle girls share the same sentiments as the Hounds girls about Belle's stake to the heart?
Hounds were disappointed, probably a bit dejected, of course they'd see it that way. Mountain-mole hill.
Might have ended the game on a sour note for some, but I doubt the vast majority. I gotta wonder what
your reaction would be if someone came on here reprimanding your daughter and telling her she needed
a lecture on sportsmanship. Frankly, I think that's poor sportsmanship.
It is my opinion that you dont score like that. If my daughter did that, she never has, i would talk with her about it. I would understand others comments if that happened, but it never did, in her whole career.Trying to tell me that i have poor sportsmanship is silly. How 'bout the girl just had a day and thought she'd put the cherry on top, with no ill intent, to finish it? She was enjoying her moment, nothing more.
I do think it's poor sportsmanship to come on here and reprimand her for that. I have a pretty good idea how that would go if your daughter were the subject here. That scenario is not restricted to scoring a goal with seconds left and having already won the game.
I dont care what the eagles players think, although if the table was turned, i am sure they would have an opinion. They, no doubt, don't care what you think either.
I am just sharing my thoughts on the situation. Of course loyola players were disappointed and it makes it easier to focus anger on a questionable decision. I stand by my statement, there was no need to score at that point. They had already won the game by 6. Nope, no need.
Vast majority? Everyone watching lacrosse? Or people with skin in the game? Every person in those stands that wasnt a bc fan was asking why that was necessary.. I think there are real good odds the vast majority of wlax fans with no skin in the game didn't see it as a big deal. Was a girl putting an exclamation point on the game. A real big game, where emotions were high with the Eagles and fans too.
Dmac ...i don't know why you are defending this so vehemently. I expressed my opinion on why i thought it was ill advised. I shared what 40% of the crowd felt. It wasnt anything more than a disappointed statement. Smith, her family, her coaches, her school shouldnt care one bit about my opinion or the extended loyola opinion. I just think it was unfortunate and avoidable by a talented player who didnt need to do that. I'm a semi anonymous poster, that nobody cares about. I just think that you win with class and scoring with 6 seconds left while winning by 6 is less than classy. Wasn't anything more than a celebration goal, she had a moment that needs no reprimanding or lectures.
If the crowd had been 80% green, then 80% of the crowd would have felt that way.
I am truly sorry that you think this is an attack so worthy of your black (red) and white response. You can defend miss Smith, it is your right. I doubt that any sports fan informed of the situation (score) and the time of the game, would consider her score as " a celebration goal". I am not reprimanding her. I am sad that she did what she did. The game was not in question. It was a judgement issue that I would expect she wouldnt do again.
As far as 80% green, you have already tried to say that I would react different if my daughter had done the same. Well, she didnt, ever. Not in rec league, not in club, not in HS, not in college. So stop that. The green families were already accepting that their team had lost. There was no motivation to not express outrage at that display.
I don't know why you are pursuing this. It was a simple lack of judgement that was unfortunate.
Re: NCAA Tournament
Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 9:45 pm
by DMac
I never said, if your daughter had done the same.
I said if your daughter were being reprimanded.
Re: NCAA Tournament
Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 9:48 pm
by Dr. Tact
DMac wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 9:26 pm
I do think it's poor sportsmanship to come on here and reprimand her for that. I have a pretty good idea how that would go if your daughter were the subject here. That scenario is not restricted to scoring a goal with seconds left and having already won the game.
What exactly are you getting at here? Please explain so I can decide if you are being a jerk or being a jerk
Re: NCAA Tournament
Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 9:53 pm
by user1020
I’m with Dr. Tact here.
Re: NCAA Tournament
Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 9:58 pm
by Dr. Tact
DMac wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 9:45 pm
I never said, if your daughter had done the same.
I said if your daughter were being reprimanded.
My daughter didn't do what the BC player did. You have no idea how I would react to public criticism if my daughter did the same. I know that she wouldn't do that. Although if she did, I wouldn't lean on "just had a day and thought she'd put the cherry on top, with no ill intent, to finish it? " or "Wasn't anything more than a celebration goal, she had a moment that needs no reprimanding or lectures"
That doesn't exist in our family, or her team. I am sad that you would try to shift one player's actions to my daughter's.
Let it go. I have accepted that BC was the better team, but I dont have to accept your support of a ill advised action by one of their players.
Re: NCAA Tournament
Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 10:01 pm
by Maryland75
The BC coach should have directed her team to hold the ball and not shoot. You see Cathy Reese direct Maryland not to shoot quite often.
Re: NCAA Tournament
Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 10:05 pm
by Dr. Tact
Maryland75 wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 10:01 pm
The BC coach should have directed her team to hold the ball and not shoot. You see Cathy Reese direct Maryland not to shoot quite often.
Yes, I agree completely, but the player should have already known this.
DMac wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 9:26 pm
I do think it's poor sportsmanship to come on here and reprimand her for that. I have a pretty good idea how that would go if your daughter were the subject here. That scenario is not restricted to scoring a goal with seconds left and having already won the game.
What exactly are you getting at here? Please explain so I can decide if you are being a jerk or being a jerk
It's pretty simple, Doc, you just want to see it one way.
The reprimanding is what it's about, not the play. As noted, no one cares what we think. The girl saw open net and put it in to end the game (gave Loyola a chance to win another draw), not so hard to understand. Maybe her coaches will give her a spanking, then again, maybe not.
Re: NCAA Tournament
Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 10:13 pm
by Dr. Tact
DMac wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 9:45 pm
I never said, if your daughter had done the same.
I said if your daughter were being reprimanded.
Dmac - Let's just end this and agree that taking a shot when up by 6 goals, with 6 seconds left, against a team you have no historical animosity towards, while up on EWO, is not a good idea/look.
Pretty simple, if I don't name the player, correct?
Re: NCAA Tournament
Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 10:14 pm
by Everyonesgotone
This is a direct result of the culture that the head coach has established. She has created an environment that rewards poor judgement and poor sportsmanship. I hope that by losing they don’t have the opportunity to repeat this crap again.
DMac wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 9:26 pm
I do think it's poor sportsmanship to come on here and reprimand her for that. I have a pretty good idea how that would go if your daughter were the subject here. That scenario is not restricted to scoring a goal with seconds left and having already won the game.
What exactly are you getting at here? Please explain so I can decide if you are being a jerk or being a jerk
It's pretty simple, Doc, you just want to see it one way.
The reprimanding is what it's about, not the play. As noted, no one cares what we think. The girl saw open net and put it in to end the game (gave Loyola a chance to win another draw), not so hard to understand. Maybe her coaches will give her a spanking, then again, maybe not.
One last time. It wasn't an open net. really, why are you so hung up on this. She made a bad choice.
Re: NCAA Tournament
Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 10:19 pm
by Dr. Tact
DMac wrote: ↑Fri May 20, 2022 10:11 pm
It's pretty simple, Doc, you just want to see it one way.
No. not at all. I am not on one side because of circumstance. I am not criticizing because of Loyola or BC. It was a bad choice. Period. I would have criticized it regardless of teams. I guess I have a more puritanical way of looking at sportsmanship. If you are going to do what the player did, you open yourself to criticism about the norms that most people expect in that situation. Obviously, you have decided that either it was ok, or that my criticism is worth multiple posts. I am not sure at this time which, but I am sure that I think it wasnt the best look for the player nor the school.
Re: NCAA Tournament
Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 10:23 pm
by OuttaNowhereWregget
Well--as long as this is being bandied about, let's get another look at it, shall we?
Re: NCAA Tournament
Posted: Fri May 20, 2022 10:28 pm
by OuttaNowhereWregget
Gotta side with D here. It was no biggie--Belle's 7th. Falls under the category of Loser's Lament. Any kind of whining after a game that was lost is annoying--whether it's about the refs or the players scoring late or whatever--it's a discordant clanging which pretty much no one wants to hear except the losers. Folks don't like BC for different reasons, but this was a real reach of an issue to make about the player, the coach and the school. No one got slashed or sticked or elbowed or kneed. No one got hurt. Just a team ran a play in the closing seconds and scored. Some of the Loyola players were still playing like it mattered so BC decided to try a play. You can see Smith point to North which way to run the play seconds beforehand. The whole thing is much ado about nothing. But it was good for a few chuckles on a not much happening Friday night.