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Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 6:00 pm
by Typical Lax Dad

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 6:02 pm
by Peter Brown
From Dr. Marty Makary of John’s Hopkins:

“Based on the data: We should not be giving healthy kids a 2nd vax dose at a 3wk interval, esp boys where 1/7K get myocarditis and 1/136 of them died, i.e. from the vax itself(NEJM study). Vax deaths could approximate Covid deaths in boys 5-11 w/no comorbidIties.

CDC: 94 Covid deaths/2yrs (incl when Tx was crude & Covid rates higher) out of 28M kids5-11. Nearly all likely had a comorb (extrap from our prior study, adolesc hosp study/known under-coding of obesity, word on the ground). CDC still won't tell us # child deaths in healthy kids.

Based on the data of kids w/ NO comorbid, an estimated 0-10 kids 5-11 have ever died of Covid

VS.

Approx 15 would die from the vax 2nd dose (extrap from adolescents). The case to vax kids w/a comorbid is strong. The case for a 2nd vax dose in healthy kids is far from compelling.

42% of kids 5-11 had Covid as of June (per CDC), likely 50-60% now after the delta wave. An indiscriminate vaccination policy in chidren will result in unintended harm. These are self-inflicted wounds to our nation's children.

If a child already had Covid, there’s no scientific basis for vaccination"

The documented risks of a 2nd dose in the NEJM and from other sources simply do not outweigh the benefits in this sub-population.”

It’s absolutely stunning, if not curious, how anyone can continue to support the CDC, or advocate for mandatory vaccines for kids.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 6:38 pm
by MDlaxfan76
Marty Makary is about as respected by his Hopkins peers on this topic as Joseph Ladopo is by his former colleagues at UCLA.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 6:56 pm
by ardilla secreta
San Francisco police officer who missed vaccine deadline dies after COVID-19 diagnosis

Is this freedom? Hard to understand.

https://ktla.com/news/california/san-fr ... diagnosis/

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:10 pm
by youthathletics
Puzzling heart diseases in football
An unusually large number of professional and amateur soccer players have collapsed recently.

https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/news/ra ... -li.193554

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:32 pm
by Peter Brown
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 6:38 pm Marty Makary is about as respected by his Hopkins peers on this topic as Joseph Ladopo is by his former colleagues at UCLA.



I’m going to let the viewers decide if Dr. Makary is reputable . Herewith, his cv:

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/profile ... tin-makary

Now, I suspect you are going to accuse him of not being an epidemiologist, however that misses the point of his pronouncements which are really about health choices, and for those, I believe there might be no better to opine on health outcomes than the CHIEF OF TRANSPLANTS AT JHU. Kind of a big deal, IMO.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:59 pm
by wgdsr
youthathletics wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:10 pm Puzzling heart diseases in football
An unusually large number of professional and amateur soccer players have collapsed recently.

https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/news/ra ... -li.193554
interessant, aber die prämisse scheint ohne weiteren kontext undurchsichtig.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 8:27 pm
by MDlaxfan76
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:32 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 6:38 pm Marty Makary is about as respected by his Hopkins peers on this topic as Joseph Ladopo is by his former colleagues at UCLA.



I’m going to let the viewers decide if Dr. Makary is reputable . Herewith, his cv:

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/profile ... tin-makary

Now, I suspect you are going to accuse him of not being an epidemiologist, however that misses the point of his pronouncements which are really about health choices, and for those, I believe there might be no better to opine on health outcomes than the CHIEF OF TRANSPLANTS AT JHU. Kind of a big deal, IMO.
Like I said, surgeon...fine one, but surgery... docs who actually deal with Covid patients or actually are infectious disease or epidemiology experts say he's a whack job on this, a publicity seeker; as respected by them as Lodopo is by his former colleagues at UCLA...Ladopo falsely claimed that he worked with Covid patients, had first hand experience, but his colleagues and paperwork indicate he never did...but man, he liked him some HCQ...

There's always bound to be some whack jobs, much less jerks, in any profession, even one which requires as much training as does Medicine...after all, Ladopo is a grad of Wake Forest and Harvard Medical School!

Beware those who simply point to someone's CV as proof they're honest, sane, not racist, or whatever...cases in point, Nobel prize winners, James Watson and William Shockley on the topics of race and IQ...Shockley won his Nobel in Physics and then turned to falsifying data to support his racist contentions.

Note also that being a terrific surgeon does not require a capacity for empathy, nor for honesty. You can be a total sociopath and be a great surgeon. Not that it's normal, but there's a reason why some docs prefer 'cutting' over conversations with patients. Different skill sets. Likewise, the intellectual and process discipline requirements in infectious diseases are quite different than that for surgery.

But, hey, he's at least a doctor not some idiot with a podcast...next thing to it, though...publicity seeker.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 8:29 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
youthathletics wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:10 pm Puzzling heart diseases in football
An unusually large number of professional and amateur soccer players have collapsed recently.

https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/news/ra ... -li.193554
Probably the vaccine.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:07 pm
by NattyBohChamps04
youthathletics wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:10 pm Puzzling heart diseases in football
An unusually large number of professional and amateur soccer players have collapsed recently.

https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/news/ra ... -li.193554
ALEXA, what are the rates of myocarditis in COVID patients vs. vaccine recipients vs. neither?

ALEXA, play Despacito.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 3:17 am
by jhu72
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 8:27 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 7:32 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Tue Nov 09, 2021 6:38 pm Marty Makary is about as respected by his Hopkins peers on this topic as Joseph Ladopo is by his former colleagues at UCLA.



I’m going to let the viewers decide if Dr. Makary is reputable . Herewith, his cv:

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/profile ... tin-makary

Now, I suspect you are going to accuse him of not being an epidemiologist, however that misses the point of his pronouncements which are really about health choices, and for those, I believe there might be no better to opine on health outcomes than the CHIEF OF TRANSPLANTS AT JHU. Kind of a big deal, IMO.
Like I said, surgeon...fine one, but surgery... docs who actually deal with Covid patients or actually are infectious disease or epidemiology experts say he's a whack job on this, a publicity seeker; as respected by them as Lodopo is by his former colleagues at UCLA...Ladopo falsely claimed that he worked with Covid patients, had first hand experience, but his colleagues and paperwork indicate he never did...but man, he liked him some HCQ...

There's always bound to be some whack jobs, much less jerks, in any profession, even one which requires as much training as does Medicine...after all, Ladopo is a grad of Wake Forest and Harvard Medical School!

Beware those who simply point to someone's CV as proof they're honest, sane, not racist, or whatever...cases in point, Nobel prize winners, James Watson and William Shockley on the topics of race and IQ...Shockley won his Nobel in Physics and then turned to falsifying data to support his racist contentions.

Note also that being a terrific surgeon does not require a capacity for empathy, nor for honesty. You can be a total sociopath and be a great surgeon. Not that it's normal, but there's a reason why some docs prefer 'cutting' over conversations with patients. Different skill sets. Likewise, the intellectual and process discipline requirements in infectious diseases are quite different than that for surgery.

But, hey, he's at least a doctor not some idiot with a podcast...next thing to it, though...publicity seeker.
... I heard Marty and Ben Carson are cofounding a new company, "Plumbers R Us".

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:05 am
by CU88
Rubella: We vaccinate for far less

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substac ... tm_source=

Katelyn Jetelina
Nov 10

More than 300,000 kids aged 5-11 year olds have been vaccinated with the Pfizer COVID19 vaccine. The vaccine is safe and has significant individual-level benefit for kids: prevents infection, disease, death, prevents long COVID19, and will keep kids in school. COVID19 is the 8th leading cause of death for 5-11 year olds and over 8500 5-11 year olds have been hospitalized (30% of hospitalized kids have no underlying conditions). With the new authorization, COVID19 is now a vaccine-preventable disease for 5-11 year olds.

Some vaccine skeptics don’t find the individual-level benefit convincing and say we’re “just” vaccinating kids for population-level benefit, like reducing transmission. But vaccinating for population-level benefit is not new. It came to my attention that many people are unaware of this.

For example, take Rubella...

Rubella, which is the “R” in the MMR vaccine, is caused by a virus that spreads in airborne droplets from coughing or sneezing.

Rubella outbreaks are hard to contain because people are infectious one week before symptoms arise. It’s also very contagious. The R(0) for rubella is 6-7. In other words, each infected person will infect, on average, 6-7 other people.

Symptoms of infection among children are mild with few noticeable symptoms:

Red rash

Sore throat

Low grade fever

Mild pink eye

Discomfort

About 25 to 50% of children will not experience any symptoms.

But, yet, rubella is mandated for children in all 50 states. If children have mild disease, then why vaccinate?

Population-level benefit

Rubella is incredibly dangerous for pregnant people and their developing baby. A person infected with rubella during the first 3 months of pregnancy has a 90% chance of the baby not surviving or developing a severe of illness called “Congenital Rubella Syndrome (CRS)”. CRS can result in deafness, blindness, heart defects, and severe permanent brain damage.

We learned most about rubella during a massive outbreak in the mid-1960s. From 1962–1963, a rubella epidemic broke out in Europe which eventually spilled over to the United States. From 1964-65, an estimated 12.5 million cases were reported across the country. Despite warnings about keeping infected children away from pregnant women, nearly 50,000 pregnancies were impacted. This led to >11,000 fetuses miscarried, died in the womb, or aborted. Of the >20,000 infected infants born alive, the majority had severe illnesses: 2,100 died shortly after birth, 12,000 were deaf, 3,580 were blind, and 1,800 had permanent mental disabilities.

Rubella vaccine

Shortly after this epidemic, the rubella vaccine entered clinical trials. In 1969, it was approved for use in Europe and North America. In 1971, the rubella vaccine was combined with measles and mumps vaccines for what we have today: MMR vaccine.

MMR does have very rare side effects. It’s been linked with a very small risk of febrile seizures (seizures caused by fever). They are rare and are not associated with any long-term effects. The vaccine also rarely causes a temporary low platelet count, which can cause a bleeding disorder. It usually goes away without treatment and is not life threatening.

So, there was an international debate on who should get the vaccine. There were essentially two options:

Universal vaccination. This would stop rubella transmission by vaccinating the reservoir (i.e. children), thus providing indirect protection of unvaccinated women. There are rare, but real side effects of the vaccine. But benefits outweigh risks.

Only vaccinate adolescent girls and women of childbearing age. This strategy would directly protect women at risk of being infected when pregnant, but would also allow the virus to circulate.

Ultimately, the WHO found that countries that chose #2 were not able to eradicate the virus. Not enough women got the vaccine and the virus continued to spread, causing epidemics and, thus, did not decrease rates of CRS. In 2011, the WHO stated that countries needed a combination of #1 and #2 for ultimate control of rubella.


A display used to educate the public on rubella vaccination and the mother-to-fetus transmission of this virus. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention via Public Health Image Library
The United States opted for universal vaccination. To interrupt transmission of rubella, we needed a herd immunity threshold of approximately 83-85%. And we eventually reached this. The last large United States outbreak was in 1995. Then, rubella went into an endemic state.

In 2004, rubella was fully eliminated in the United States. In 2015, it was eliminated in the Americas (35 countries in North and South America).

In present day, there is an annual average of 10-15 cases of CRS in the United States, but this is stemmed from international travel. Rubella is not eliminated in other parts of the world. In places without the vaccine, about 120,000 children are born each year with severe birth defects attributed to rubella.

Rubella compared to COVID19 vaccines

I threw together a table comparing the two viruses and vaccines. As you can see, there are striking similarities: high R(0), high asymptomatic rate, vaccine recommended for all 5-11 year olds, and very rare (but real) vaccine side effects. But there are also differences: COVID19 vaccine will prevent more death and more illness among children.


Bottom Line: As a country, we came together to eliminate rubella for the entire population. COVID19 pediatric vaccine will have a population-level benefit too. Thankfully the COVID19 vaccine also comes with significant individual-level benefit, as kids are far from spared from SARS-CoV-2.

Love, YLE

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:11 am
by kramerica.inc
Florida, Center of COVID Mandate Resistance, Has Lowest Infection Levels in U.S.
BY KHALEDA RAHMAN ON 11/9/21 AT 10:29 AM EST

https://www.newsweek.com/florida-centre ... ls-1647396

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:20 am
by Typical Lax Dad
kramerica.inc wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:11 am Florida, Center of COVID Mandate Resistance, Has Lowest Infection Levels in U.S.
BY KHALEDA RAHMAN ON 11/9/21 AT 10:29 AM EST

https://www.newsweek.com/florida-centre ... ls-1647396
“It is DeSantis' final and most essential command—to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. How Orwellian."”

Sad.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:33 am
by Peter Brown
kramerica.inc wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:11 am Florida, Center of COVID Mandate Resistance, Has Lowest Infection Levels in U.S.
BY KHALEDA RAHMAN ON 11/9/21 AT 10:29 AM EST

https://www.newsweek.com/florida-centre ... ls-1647396




I think I recall some posters here telling us that desantis was the devil himself when cases were rising. Doesn’t he deserve the same ‘accountability’ treatment now that Florida basically has no Covid? Hello? Anyone there? Ferris? :lol:

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:44 am
by NattyBohChamps04
"I talk trash after dunking on someone when we're losing by 30 points."

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:12 am
by Typical Lax Dad
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:33 am
kramerica.inc wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:11 am Florida, Center of COVID Mandate Resistance, Has Lowest Infection Levels in U.S.
BY KHALEDA RAHMAN ON 11/9/21 AT 10:29 AM EST

https://www.newsweek.com/florida-centre ... ls-1647396
I think I recall some posters here telling us that desantis was the devil himself when cases were rising. Doesn’t he deserve the same ‘accountability’ treatment now that Florida basically has no Covid? Hello? Anyone there? Ferris? :lol:
#8 in deaths per 1MM. Last 6 months might be #1.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:34 am
by Peter Brown
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:12 am
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:33 am
kramerica.inc wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:11 am Florida, Center of COVID Mandate Resistance, Has Lowest Infection Levels in U.S.
BY KHALEDA RAHMAN ON 11/9/21 AT 10:29 AM EST

https://www.newsweek.com/florida-centre ... ls-1647396
I think I recall some posters here telling us that desantis was the devil himself when cases were rising. Doesn’t he deserve the same ‘accountability’ treatment now that Florida basically has no Covid? Hello? Anyone there? Ferris? :lol:
#8 in deaths per 1MM. Last 6 months might be #1.



Vermont and New Hampshire both set their hospitalization "records" today.

While Vermont is 'only' 50% higher per capita than Florida, which has one of the lowest rates in the country, New Hampshire is about 3x higher. Maine is only 9 off their own 'record' while also 3x higher.

Colorado also continues to climb. They're at the highest number of hospitalizations they've had in all of 2021 (1,442). They reached 1,867 as their own high back in December of 2020.

If you're wondering, Florida currently has the third lowest rate in the country at 5.9 hospitalized behind Hawaii (4.0) and Massachusetts (5.7).

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:37 am
by jhu72
Florida is the 8th worst in infections per 100,000 this morning. Someone is playing games with statistics. The article does not indicate what period of time over which the measurement was taken. They don't point to the claimed New York Times data set or article while pointing to a landing page for the New York Times. This is fraudulent Newsweek nonsense.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:45 am
by Typical Lax Dad
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:34 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:12 am
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:33 am
kramerica.inc wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:11 am Florida, Center of COVID Mandate Resistance, Has Lowest Infection Levels in U.S.
BY KHALEDA RAHMAN ON 11/9/21 AT 10:29 AM EST

https://www.newsweek.com/florida-centre ... ls-1647396
I think I recall some posters here telling us that desantis was the devil himself when cases were rising. Doesn’t he deserve the same ‘accountability’ treatment now that Florida basically has no Covid? Hello? Anyone there? Ferris? :lol:
#8 in deaths per 1MM. Last 6 months might be #1.



Vermont and New Hampshire both set their hospitalization "records" today.

While Vermont is 'only' 50% higher per capita than Florida, which has one of the lowest rates in the country, New Hampshire is about 3x higher. Maine is only 9 off their own 'record' while also 3x higher.

Colorado also continues to climb. They're at the highest number of hospitalizations they've had in all of 2021 (1,442). They reached 1,867 as their own high back in December of 2020.

If you're wondering, Florida currently has the third lowest rate in the country at 5.9 hospitalized behind Hawaii (4.0) and Massachusetts (5.7).
The worst seems to be behind Florida. It wasn’t easy but the state has gotten over the hump. Thankfully.