Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

[a fan]

NY'ers exercising their frustration with the matter, and with AOC who talks out the side of here neck: https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1702711 ... 98739?s=20

AOC with a challenging problem....

https://x.com/ImMeme0/status/1706836625718661493?s=20

Meh. More interested in: where's her bill that gets these people integrated, and on the job legally?

Still no bill from either party. Voting for R's won't fix this. Voting for D's won't fix this.

The Dem and R voters holding their parties accountable will.

Want to scare the sh(t out of your leaders, YA? Resign from the party, and send an email to R HQ telling them why.

Even 100,000 R's doing this would send DC into a panick.

Apparently, according to Johnson, we need to find people at the border that only agree with him. You can't make this stuff up.

https://x.com/RNCResearch/status/170709 ... 96162?s=20

Again...why isn't FoxNews talking to Republicans, and asking: where's the F'ing bill that will fix this problem?

This is THE problem: Fox asks Dem Congressman "you're bad, and we want our viewers to know that" isn't gonna move the ball, YA. 20+ years of this game. Where are your posts going after your guys who have been CAMPAIGNING on this sh(t...and yet do nothing about it?

We could fix this is under a year if you held your team accountable, YA.

Looks like the R's Border Bill was inside the Continuing resolution.

A poison pill fake bill doesn't count. But I'm sure you know that.

[MDlaxfan76]

NY'ers exercising their frustration with the matter, and with AOC who talks out the side of here neck: https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1702711 ... 98739?s=20

AOC with a challenging problem....

https://x.com/ImMeme0/status/1706836625718661493?s=20

Meh. More interested in: where's her bill that gets these people integrated, and on the job legally?

Still no bill from either party. Voting for R's won't fix this. Voting for D's won't fix this.

The Dem and R voters holding their parties accountable will.

Want to scare the sh(t out of your leaders, YA? Resign from the party, and send an email to R HQ telling them why.

Even 100,000 R's doing this would send DC into a panick.

Apparently, according to Johnson, we need to find people at the border that only agree with him. You can't make this stuff up.

https://x.com/RNCResearch/status/170709 ... 96162?s=20

Again...why isn't FoxNews talking to Republicans, and asking: where's the F'ing bill that will fix this problem?

This is THE problem: Fox asks Dem Congressman "you're bad, and we want our viewers to know that" isn't gonna move the ball, YA. 20+ years of this game. Where are your posts going after your guys who have been CAMPAIGNING on this sh(t...and yet do nothing about it?

We could fix this is under a year if you held your team accountable, YA.

Looks like the R's Border Bill was inside the Continuing resolution.

Which they couldn't even pass, much less had any hope of getting through the Senate.

"Border bill"... How about actually getting serious?

IMO, neither party has 100% clean hands on this issue, like most issues. But it seems to me that MAGA and its anti-immigrant bigoted roots have been especially ugly in their approach to pretend solutions.

I don't see the Republican approach to immigration as anti anything. They see a massive input of cheap labor and the Democrats see a massive potential pool of Democrat voters. A win/win for both parties and a huge loss for the American taxpayer.

You're confusing "Republican" with us old school country club types who welcome immigrants for what they bring to the labor force. For some, sure, it's the "cheap", but for others like me, it's the energy and entrepreneurship they bring. American Dream believers, not defeatists.

But MAGA is anti-immigrant specifically from "s-hole" countries where they don't look like MAGA folks, don't worship like MAGA folks, don't speak the language of MAGA folks. And this is anti legal or undocumented immigrants. And the roots of these sentiments are very deep in American culture throughout our history. And right now, MAGA thoroughly dominates the GOP.

And no, while there may be some Dems who think that immigrants will naturally be Dem voters, that would only be predictable if the GOP remains hostile to multicultural democracy.

The GOP roadmap just a decade ago called for a shift in this policy arena, but the rise of the Tea Party/Trump/MAGA squashed it.

[cradleandshoot]

NY'ers exercising their frustration with the matter, and with AOC who talks out the side of here neck: https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1702711 ... 98739?s=20

AOC with a challenging problem....

https://x.com/ImMeme0/status/1706836625718661493?s=20

Meh. More interested in: where's her bill that gets these people integrated, and on the job legally?

Still no bill from either party. Voting for R's won't fix this. Voting for D's won't fix this.

The Dem and R voters holding their parties accountable will.

Want to scare the sh(t out of your leaders, YA? Resign from the party, and send an email to R HQ telling them why.

Even 100,000 R's doing this would send DC into a panick.

Apparently, according to Johnson, we need to find people at the border that only agree with him. You can't make this stuff up.

https://x.com/RNCResearch/status/170709 ... 96162?s=20

Again...why isn't FoxNews talking to Republicans, and asking: where's the F'ing bill that will fix this problem?

This is THE problem: Fox asks Dem Congressman "you're bad, and we want our viewers to know that" isn't gonna move the ball, YA. 20+ years of this game. Where are your posts going after your guys who have been CAMPAIGNING on this sh(t...and yet do nothing about it?

We could fix this is under a year if you held your team accountable, YA.

Looks like the R's Border Bill was inside the Continuing resolution.

Which they couldn't even pass, much less had any hope of getting through the Senate.

"Border bill"... How about actually getting serious?

IMO, neither party has 100% clean hands on this issue, like most issues. But it seems to me that MAGA and its anti-immigrant bigoted roots have been especially ugly in their approach to pretend solutions.

I don't see the Republican approach to immigration as anti anything. They see a massive input of cheap labor and the Democrats see a massive potential pool of Democrat voters. A win/win for both parties and a huge loss for the American taxpayer.

You're confusing "Republican" with us old school country club types who welcome immigrants for what they bring to the labor force. For some, sure, it's the "cheap", but for others like me, it's the energy and entrepreneurship they bring. American Dream believers, not defeatists.

But MAGA is anti-immigrant specifically from "s-hole" countries where they don't look like MAGA folks, don't worship like MAGA folks, don't speak the language of MAGA folks. And this is anti legal or undocumented immigrants. And the roots of these sentiments are very deep in American culture throughout our history. And right now, MAGA thoroughly dominates the GOP.

And no, while there may be some Dems who think that immigrants will naturally be Dem voters, that would only be predictable if the GOP remains hostile to multicultural democracy.

The GOP roadmap just a decade ago called for a shift in this policy arena, but the rise of the Tea Party/Trump/MAGA squashed it.

They ain't anti immigrant old sod. Whose gonna pick those cabbage and pumpkins and all those other fall crops for dogchit pay? Those Republicans you have dedicated your political life to have taken advantage of slave labor for many decades. Where was your ass on this topic 40 years ago?? Welcome to the party pal. Are you gonna pay your truck drivers 40 dollars an hour? I bet the answer to that question is hell no. You don't want to compromise your lifestyle do you???

[MDlaxfan76]

NY'ers exercising their frustration with the matter, and with AOC who talks out the side of here neck: https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1702711 ... 98739?s=20

AOC with a challenging problem....

https://x.com/ImMeme0/status/1706836625718661493?s=20

Meh. More interested in: where's her bill that gets these people integrated, and on the job legally?

Still no bill from either party. Voting for R's won't fix this. Voting for D's won't fix this.

The Dem and R voters holding their parties accountable will.

Want to scare the sh(t out of your leaders, YA? Resign from the party, and send an email to R HQ telling them why.

Even 100,000 R's doing this would send DC into a panick.

Apparently, according to Johnson, we need to find people at the border that only agree with him. You can't make this stuff up.

https://x.com/RNCResearch/status/170709 ... 96162?s=20

Again...why isn't FoxNews talking to Republicans, and asking: where's the F'ing bill that will fix this problem?

This is THE problem: Fox asks Dem Congressman "you're bad, and we want our viewers to know that" isn't gonna move the ball, YA. 20+ years of this game. Where are your posts going after your guys who have been CAMPAIGNING on this sh(t...and yet do nothing about it?

We could fix this is under a year if you held your team accountable, YA.

Looks like the R's Border Bill was inside the Continuing resolution.

Which they couldn't even pass, much less had any hope of getting through the Senate.

"Border bill"... How about actually getting serious?

IMO, neither party has 100% clean hands on this issue, like most issues. But it seems to me that MAGA and its anti-immigrant bigoted roots have been especially ugly in their approach to pretend solutions.

I don't see the Republican approach to immigration as anti anything. They see a massive input of cheap labor and the Democrats see a massive potential pool of Democrat voters. A win/win for both parties and a huge loss for the American taxpayer.

You're confusing "Republican" with us old school country club types who welcome immigrants for what they bring to the labor force. For some, sure, it's the "cheap", but for others like me, it's the energy and entrepreneurship they bring. American Dream believers, not defeatists.

But MAGA is anti-immigrant specifically from "s-hole" countries where they don't look like MAGA folks, don't worship like MAGA folks, don't speak the language of MAGA folks. And this is anti legal or undocumented immigrants. And the roots of these sentiments are very deep in American culture throughout our history. And right now, MAGA thoroughly dominates the GOP.

And no, while there may be some Dems who think that immigrants will naturally be Dem voters, that would only be predictable if the GOP remains hostile to multicultural democracy.

The GOP roadmap just a decade ago called for a shift in this policy arena, but the rise of the Tea Party/Trump/MAGA squashed it.

They ain't anti immigrant old sod. Whose gonna pick those cabbage and pumpkins and all those other fall crops for dogchit pay? Those Republicans you have dedicated your political life to have taken advantage of slave labor for many decades. Where was your ass on this topic 40 years ago?? Welcome to the party pal. Are you gonna pay your truck drivers 40 dollars an hour? I bet the answer to that question is hell no. You don't want to compromise your lifestyle do you???

I don't pay any truck drivers, cradle...my wife and I sold the distribution business that did over 20 years ago.
But truck drivers today make $75k-100k in most systems. Some less, some more.

Who is the "they" in "they ain't anti immigrant"? MAGA GOP is strongly anti-immigrant.
Have you not been paying attention to them? To Trump?

https://time.com/5645501/trump-anti-imm ... ic-racism/

To the " GOP debate"?
https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration ... ans-think/

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/why- ... rlds-gain/

The roots of these views are old:
https://apps.bostonglobe.com/magazine/g ... migration/

[old salt]

H.R. 2 --passed May 23, 2023
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/59151

If we're going to give them work permits, govt benefits & hotel rooms -- young male migrants from Venezuela should be conscripted into a military force to take back their country. Do it right this time. Look at how effectively our proxy warriors in Ukraine are fighting.
We know how to do this. Choke off the flow into the Darien Gap while we're in the area.
https://www.army.mil/article/201880/us_ ... th_america
https://www.southcom.mil/MEDIA/NEWS-ART ... -training/
https://sofrep.com/news/u-s-special-for ... in-bogota/

Estimates are 400,000 migrants in the Darien Gap currently - how many US Special Forces personnel would be required to "choke off" that kind of flow?

Suggest your GOP pals figure out how to pay them first before winging it on foreign policy yet again.

Not that many to choke off & disrupt the entry point. Especially if you have the coopertation of Panama's & Colombias's militaries.
More effective than sending Kamala to address the " root cause".

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/4/1 ... -questions
12 Apr 2023
The IOM reported that a majority of those who crossed in 2022 – just more than 150,000 people – were from Venezuela, which has experienced a mass exodus amid years of socio-economic and political upheaval.

Ecuadorians, Haitians and Cubans also figured prominently among those who took the mountain route, which is rife with violence and natural hazards, including insects, snakes and unpredictable terrain.

Nearly 88,000 crossings were recorded in the first three months of 2023, the Reuters news agency reported, citing official Panama migration data.

On Wednesday, a senior Biden administration official told The Associated Press that US forces would “assist their Colombian and Panamanian counterparts with intelligence gathering to dismantle smuggling rings” in the Darien Gap.

“The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss details that have not been made public, said migration through the Darien would not end, but the campaign is expected to have significant impact,” the news agency reported.

The official did not specify whether US forces involved in the 60-day campaign would be military or civilian law enforcement, AP said.

[a fan]

H.R. 2 --passed May 23, 2023
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/59151

If we're going to give them work permits, govt benefits & hotel rooms -- young male migrants from Venezuela should be conscripted into a military force to take back their country. Do it right this time. Look at how effectively our proxy warriors in Ukraine are fighting.
We know how to do this. Choke off the flow into the Darien Gap while we're in the area.
https://www.army.mil/article/201880/us_ ... th_america
https://www.southcom.mil/MEDIA/NEWS-ART ... -training/
https://sofrep.com/news/u-s-special-for ... in-bogota/

Estimates are 400,000 migrants in the Darien Gap currently - how many US Special Forces personnel would be required to "choke off" that kind of flow?

Suggest your GOP pals figure out how to pay them first before winging it on foreign policy yet again.

Not that many to choke off & disrupt the entry point. Especially if you have the coopertation of Panama's & Colombias's militaries.
More effective than sending Kamala to address the " root cause".

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/4/1 ... -questions
12 Apr 2023
The IOM reported that a majority of those who crossed in 2022 – just more than 150,000 people – were from Venezuela, which has experienced a mass exodus amid years of socio-economic and political upheaval.

Ecuadorians, Haitians and Cubans also figured prominently among those who took the mountain route, which is rife with violence and natural hazards, including insects, snakes and unpredictable terrain.

Nearly 88,000 crossings were recorded in the first three months of 2023, the Reuters news agency reported, citing official Panama migration data.

On Wednesday, a senior Biden administration official told The Associated Press that US forces would “assist their Colombian and Panamanian counterparts with intelligence gathering to dismantle smuggling rings” in the Darien Gap.

“The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss details that have not been made public, said migration through the Darien would not end, but the campaign is expected to have significant impact,” the news agency reported.

The official did not specify whether US forces involved in the 60-day campaign would be military or civilian law enforcement, AP said.

So.....the "arm"the right guys" game starts yet again. Sweet.

[PizzaSnake]

H.R. 2 --passed May 23, 2023
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/59151

If we're going to give them work permits, govt benefits & hotel rooms -- young male migrants from Venezuela should be conscripted into a military force to take back their country. Do it right this time. Look at how effectively our proxy warriors in Ukraine are fighting.
We know how to do this. Choke off the flow into the Darien Gap while we're in the area.
https://www.army.mil/article/201880/us_ ... th_america
https://www.southcom.mil/MEDIA/NEWS-ART ... -training/
https://sofrep.com/news/u-s-special-for ... in-bogota/

Estimates are 400,000 migrants in the Darien Gap currently - how many US Special Forces personnel would be required to "choke off" that kind of flow?

Suggest your GOP pals figure out how to pay them first before winging it on foreign policy yet again.

Not that many to choke off & disrupt the entry point. Especially if you have the coopertation of Panama's & Colombias's militaries.
More effective than sending Kamala to address the " root cause".

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/4/1 ... -questions
12 Apr 2023
The IOM reported that a majority of those who crossed in 2022 – just more than 150,000 people – were from Venezuela, which has experienced a mass exodus amid years of socio-economic and political upheaval.

Ecuadorians, Haitians and Cubans also figured prominently among those who took the mountain route, which is rife with violence and natural hazards, including insects, snakes and unpredictable terrain.

Nearly 88,000 crossings were recorded in the first three months of 2023, the Reuters news agency reported, citing official Panama migration data.

On Wednesday, a senior Biden administration official told The Associated Press that US forces would “assist their Colombian and Panamanian counterparts with intelligence gathering to dismantle smuggling rings” in the Darien Gap.

“The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss details that have not been made public, said migration through the Darien would not end, but the campaign is expected to have significant impact,” the news agency reported.

The official did not specify whether US forces involved in the 60-day campaign would be military or civilian law enforcement, AP said.

So.....the "arm"the right guys" game starts yet again. Sweet.

Don’t know about insanity, but doing the same thing and expecting different results meets my definition of stupidity.

Ah, humans.

[cradleandshoot]

NY'ers exercising their frustration with the matter, and with AOC who talks out the side of here neck: https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1702711 ... 98739?s=20

AOC with a challenging problem....

https://x.com/ImMeme0/status/1706836625718661493?s=20

Meh. More interested in: where's her bill that gets these people integrated, and on the job legally?

Still no bill from either party. Voting for R's won't fix this. Voting for D's won't fix this.

The Dem and R voters holding their parties accountable will.

Want to scare the sh(t out of your leaders, YA? Resign from the party, and send an email to R HQ telling them why.

Even 100,000 R's doing this would send DC into a panick.

Apparently, according to Johnson, we need to find people at the border that only agree with him. You can't make this stuff up.

https://x.com/RNCResearch/status/170709 ... 96162?s=20

Again...why isn't FoxNews talking to Republicans, and asking: where's the F'ing bill that will fix this problem?

This is THE problem: Fox asks Dem Congressman "you're bad, and we want our viewers to know that" isn't gonna move the ball, YA. 20+ years of this game. Where are your posts going after your guys who have been CAMPAIGNING on this sh(t...and yet do nothing about it?

We could fix this is under a year if you held your team accountable, YA.

Looks like the R's Border Bill was inside the Continuing resolution.

Which they couldn't even pass, much less had any hope of getting through the Senate.

"Border bill"... How about actually getting serious?

IMO, neither party has 100% clean hands on this issue, like most issues. But it seems to me that MAGA and its anti-immigrant bigoted roots have been especially ugly in their approach to pretend solutions.

I don't see the Republican approach to immigration as anti anything. They see a massive input of cheap labor and the Democrats see a massive potential pool of Democrat voters. A win/win for both parties and a huge loss for the American taxpayer.

You're confusing "Republican" with us old school country club types who welcome immigrants for what they bring to the labor force. For some, sure, it's the "cheap", but for others like me, it's the energy and entrepreneurship they bring. American Dream believers, not defeatists.

But MAGA is anti-immigrant specifically from "s-hole" countries where they don't look like MAGA folks, don't worship like MAGA folks, don't speak the language of MAGA folks. And this is anti legal or undocumented immigrants. And the roots of these sentiments are very deep in American culture throughout our history. And right now, MAGA thoroughly dominates the GOP.

And no, while there may be some Dems who think that immigrants will naturally be Dem voters, that would only be predictable if the GOP remains hostile to multicultural democracy.

The GOP roadmap just a decade ago called for a shift in this policy arena, but the rise of the Tea Party/Trump/MAGA squashed it.

They ain't anti immigrant old sod. Whose gonna pick those cabbage and pumpkins and all those other fall crops for dogchit pay? Those Republicans you have dedicated your political life to have taken advantage of slave labor for many decades. Where was your ass on this topic 40 years ago?? Welcome to the party pal. Are you gonna pay your truck drivers 40 dollars an hour? I bet the answer to that question is hell no. You don't want to compromise your lifestyle do you???

I don't pay any truck drivers, cradle...my wife and I sold the distribution business that did over 20 years ago.
But truck drivers today make $75k-100k in most systems. Some less, some more.

Who is the "they" in "they ain't anti immigrant"? MAGA GOP is strongly anti-immigrant.
Have you not been paying attention to them? To Trump?

https://time.com/5645501/trump-anti-imm ... ic-racism/

To the " GOP debate"?
https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration ... ans-think/

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/why- ... rlds-gain/

The roots of these views are old:
https://apps.bostonglobe.com/magazine/g ... migration/

Here in Upstate NY at this time of the year the folks busting their ass out in the fields picking apples, cabbage and squash are migrant workers. Those farms are not owned by FLP liberal Democrats like yourself. They are run by FRC types who can't afford to stay in business without paying substandard wages for field labor. You up to spending a day in the sunshine picking cabbage for chit pay?? Americans love spending very little for their produce. When a head of cabbage costs you 10 dollars a head for fair market value all us folks of German/Irish heritage couldn't afford sauerkraut or cabbage and potatoes.

On a side note my Sicilian wife and I have this argument all of the time. I say the most disgusting food that most folks eat is tripe My wife feels the same way about Sauerkraut and knockwurst. My bride does like kraut on a Reuben sammich. I don't understand how anyone can like tripe. There isn't enough gravy in the world to hide the foul taste that trump has.

[cradleandshoot]

I'm not as smart as all of you folks on this forum. I have come to this determination. Is the problem the foul up at the southern border? Is the problem that Joe Biden can't find it in his compassionate heart to pick up the tab for all of these new "asylum seekers" The easy solution is to let the states pick up the tab. Then in true fashion as in chit rolling downhill the tab transfers to cities and counties. The last stop on the chit rolling train is John and Betty taxpayer. Poor John and Betty are still trying to regroup to understand why their 100 dollar grocery bill is now 150 dollars a week.

[kramerica.inc]

NY'ers exercising their frustration with the matter, and with AOC who talks out the side of here neck: https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1702711 ... 98739?s=20

AOC with a challenging problem....

https://x.com/ImMeme0/status/1706836625718661493?s=20

Meh. More interested in: where's her bill that gets these people integrated, and on the job legally?

Still no bill from either party. Voting for R's won't fix this. Voting for D's won't fix this.

The Dem and R voters holding their parties accountable will.

Want to scare the sh(t out of your leaders, YA? Resign from the party, and send an email to R HQ telling them why.

Even 100,000 R's doing this would send DC into a panick.

Apparently, according to Johnson, we need to find people at the border that only agree with him. You can't make this stuff up.

https://x.com/RNCResearch/status/170709 ... 96162?s=20

Again...why isn't FoxNews talking to Republicans, and asking: where's the F'ing bill that will fix this problem?

This is THE problem: Fox asks Dem Congressman "you're bad, and we want our viewers to know that" isn't gonna move the ball, YA. 20+ years of this game. Where are your posts going after your guys who have been CAMPAIGNING on this sh(t...and yet do nothing about it?

We could fix this is under a year if you held your team accountable, YA.

Looks like the R's Border Bill was inside the Continuing resolution.

Which they couldn't even pass, much less had any hope of getting through the Senate.

"Border bill"... How about actually getting serious?

IMO, neither party has 100% clean hands on this issue, like most issues. But it seems to me that MAGA and its anti-immigrant bigoted roots have been especially ugly in their approach to pretend solutions.

I don't see the Republican approach to immigration as anti anything. They see a massive input of cheap labor and the Democrats see a massive potential pool of Democrat voters. A win/win for both parties and a huge loss for the American taxpayer.

You're confusing "Republican" with us old school country club types who welcome immigrants for what they bring to the labor force. For some, sure, it's the "cheap", but for others like me, it's the energy and entrepreneurship they bring. American Dream believers, not defeatists.

But MAGA is anti-immigrant specifically from "s-hole" countries where they don't look like MAGA folks, don't worship like MAGA folks, don't speak the language of MAGA folks. And this is anti legal or undocumented immigrants. And the roots of these sentiments are very deep in American culture throughout our history. And right now, MAGA thoroughly dominates the GOP.

And no, while there may be some Dems who think that immigrants will naturally be Dem voters, that would only be predictable if the GOP remains hostile to multicultural democracy.

The GOP roadmap just a decade ago called for a shift in this policy arena, but the rise of the Tea Party/Trump/MAGA squashed it.

They ain't anti immigrant old sod. Whose gonna pick those cabbage and pumpkins and all those other fall crops for dogchit pay? Those Republicans you have dedicated your political life to have taken advantage of slave labor for many decades. Where was your ass on this topic 40 years ago?? Welcome to the party pal. Are you gonna pay your truck drivers 40 dollars an hour? I bet the answer to that question is hell no. You don't want to compromise your lifestyle do you???

I don't pay any truck drivers, cradle...my wife and I sold the distribution business that did over 20 years ago.
But truck drivers today make $75k-100k in most systems. Some less, some more.

Who is the "they" in "they ain't anti immigrant"? MAGA GOP is strongly anti-immigrant.
Have you not been paying attention to them? To Trump?

https://time.com/5645501/trump-anti-imm ... ic-racism/

To the " GOP debate"?
https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration ... ans-think/

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/why- ... rlds-gain/

The roots of these views are old:
https://apps.bostonglobe.com/magazine/g ... migration/

Here in Upstate NY at this time of the year the folks busting their ass out in the fields picking apples, cabbage and squash are migrant workers. Those farms are not owned by FLP liberal Democrats like yourself. They are run by FRC types who can't afford to stay in business without paying substandard wages for field labor. You up to spending a day in the sunshine picking cabbage for chit pay?? Americans love spending very little for their produce. When a head of cabbage costs you 10 dollars a head for fair market value all us folks of German/Irish heritage couldn't afford sauerkraut or cabbage and potatoes.

On a side note my Sicilian wife and I have this argument all of the time. I say the most disgusting food that most folks eat is tripe My wife feels the same way about Sauerkraut and knockwurst. My bride does like kraut on a Reuben sammich. I don't understand how anyone can like tripe. There isn't enough gravy in the world to hide the foul taste that trump has.

Tripe- Good stuff?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mskYCZc-L70&t=768s

[cradleandshoot]

NY'ers exercising their frustration with the matter, and with AOC who talks out the side of here neck: https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1702711 ... 98739?s=20

AOC with a challenging problem....

https://x.com/ImMeme0/status/1706836625718661493?s=20

Meh. More interested in: where's her bill that gets these people integrated, and on the job legally?

Still no bill from either party. Voting for R's won't fix this. Voting for D's won't fix this.

The Dem and R voters holding their parties accountable will.

Want to scare the sh(t out of your leaders, YA? Resign from the party, and send an email to R HQ telling them why.

Even 100,000 R's doing this would send DC into a panick.

Apparently, according to Johnson, we need to find people at the border that only agree with him. You can't make this stuff up.

https://x.com/RNCResearch/status/170709 ... 96162?s=20

Again...why isn't FoxNews talking to Republicans, and asking: where's the F'ing bill that will fix this problem?

This is THE problem: Fox asks Dem Congressman "you're bad, and we want our viewers to know that" isn't gonna move the ball, YA. 20+ years of this game. Where are your posts going after your guys who have been CAMPAIGNING on this sh(t...and yet do nothing about it?

We could fix this is under a year if you held your team accountable, YA.

Looks like the R's Border Bill was inside the Continuing resolution.

Which they couldn't even pass, much less had any hope of getting through the Senate.

"Border bill"... How about actually getting serious?

IMO, neither party has 100% clean hands on this issue, like most issues. But it seems to me that MAGA and its anti-immigrant bigoted roots have been especially ugly in their approach to pretend solutions.

I don't see the Republican approach to immigration as anti anything. They see a massive input of cheap labor and the Democrats see a massive potential pool of Democrat voters. A win/win for both parties and a huge loss for the American taxpayer.

You're confusing "Republican" with us old school country club types who welcome immigrants for what they bring to the labor force. For some, sure, it's the "cheap", but for others like me, it's the energy and entrepreneurship they bring. American Dream believers, not defeatists.

But MAGA is anti-immigrant specifically from "s-hole" countries where they don't look like MAGA folks, don't worship like MAGA folks, don't speak the language of MAGA folks. And this is anti legal or undocumented immigrants. And the roots of these sentiments are very deep in American culture throughout our history. And right now, MAGA thoroughly dominates the GOP.

And no, while there may be some Dems who think that immigrants will naturally be Dem voters, that would only be predictable if the GOP remains hostile to multicultural democracy.

The GOP roadmap just a decade ago called for a shift in this policy arena, but the rise of the Tea Party/Trump/MAGA squashed it.

They ain't anti immigrant old sod. Whose gonna pick those cabbage and pumpkins and all those other fall crops for dogchit pay? Those Republicans you have dedicated your political life to have taken advantage of slave labor for many decades. Where was your ass on this topic 40 years ago?? Welcome to the party pal. Are you gonna pay your truck drivers 40 dollars an hour? I bet the answer to that question is hell no. You don't want to compromise your lifestyle do you???

I don't pay any truck drivers, cradle...my wife and I sold the distribution business that did over 20 years ago.
But truck drivers today make $75k-100k in most systems. Some less, some more.

Who is the "they" in "they ain't anti immigrant"? MAGA GOP is strongly anti-immigrant.
Have you not been paying attention to them? To Trump?

https://time.com/5645501/trump-anti-imm ... ic-racism/

To the " GOP debate"?
https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration ... ans-think/

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/why- ... rlds-gain/

The roots of these views are old:
https://apps.bostonglobe.com/magazine/g ... migration/

Here in Upstate NY at this time of the year the folks busting their ass out in the fields picking apples, cabbage and squash are migrant workers. Those farms are not owned by FLP liberal Democrats like yourself. They are run by FRC types who can't afford to stay in business without paying substandard wages for field labor. You up to spending a day in the sunshine picking cabbage for chit pay?? Americans love spending very little for their produce. When a head of cabbage costs you 10 dollars a head for fair market value all us folks of German/Irish heritage couldn't afford sauerkraut or cabbage and potatoes.

On a side note my Sicilian wife and I have this argument all of the time. I say the most disgusting food that most folks eat is tripe My wife feels the same way about Sauerkraut and knockwurst. My bride does like kraut on a Reuben sammich. I don't understand how anyone can like tripe. There isn't enough gravy in the world to hide the foul taste that trump has.

Tripe- Good stuff?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mskYCZc-L70&t=768s

[MDlaxfan76]

NY'ers exercising their frustration with the matter, and with AOC who talks out the side of here neck: https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1702711 ... 98739?s=20

AOC with a challenging problem....

https://x.com/ImMeme0/status/1706836625718661493?s=20

Meh. More interested in: where's her bill that gets these people integrated, and on the job legally?

Still no bill from either party. Voting for R's won't fix this. Voting for D's won't fix this.

The Dem and R voters holding their parties accountable will.

Want to scare the sh(t out of your leaders, YA? Resign from the party, and send an email to R HQ telling them why.

Even 100,000 R's doing this would send DC into a panick.

Apparently, according to Johnson, we need to find people at the border that only agree with him. You can't make this stuff up.

https://x.com/RNCResearch/status/170709 ... 96162?s=20

Again...why isn't FoxNews talking to Republicans, and asking: where's the F'ing bill that will fix this problem?

This is THE problem: Fox asks Dem Congressman "you're bad, and we want our viewers to know that" isn't gonna move the ball, YA. 20+ years of this game. Where are your posts going after your guys who have been CAMPAIGNING on this sh(t...and yet do nothing about it?

We could fix this is under a year if you held your team accountable, YA.

Looks like the R's Border Bill was inside the Continuing resolution.

Which they couldn't even pass, much less had any hope of getting through the Senate.

"Border bill"... How about actually getting serious?

IMO, neither party has 100% clean hands on this issue, like most issues. But it seems to me that MAGA and its anti-immigrant bigoted roots have been especially ugly in their approach to pretend solutions.

I don't see the Republican approach to immigration as anti anything. They see a massive input of cheap labor and the Democrats see a massive potential pool of Democrat voters. A win/win for both parties and a huge loss for the American taxpayer.

You're confusing "Republican" with us old school country club types who welcome immigrants for what they bring to the labor force. For some, sure, it's the "cheap", but for others like me, it's the energy and entrepreneurship they bring. American Dream believers, not defeatists.

But MAGA is anti-immigrant specifically from "s-hole" countries where they don't look like MAGA folks, don't worship like MAGA folks, don't speak the language of MAGA folks. And this is anti legal or undocumented immigrants. And the roots of these sentiments are very deep in American culture throughout our history. And right now, MAGA thoroughly dominates the GOP.

And no, while there may be some Dems who think that immigrants will naturally be Dem voters, that would only be predictable if the GOP remains hostile to multicultural democracy.

The GOP roadmap just a decade ago called for a shift in this policy arena, but the rise of the Tea Party/Trump/MAGA squashed it.

They ain't anti immigrant old sod. Whose gonna pick those cabbage and pumpkins and all those other fall crops for dogchit pay? Those Republicans you have dedicated your political life to have taken advantage of slave labor for many decades. Where was your ass on this topic 40 years ago?? Welcome to the party pal. Are you gonna pay your truck drivers 40 dollars an hour? I bet the answer to that question is hell no. You don't want to compromise your lifestyle do you???

I don't pay any truck drivers, cradle...my wife and I sold the distribution business that did over 20 years ago.
But truck drivers today make $75k-100k in most systems. Some less, some more.

Who is the "they" in "they ain't anti immigrant"? MAGA GOP is strongly anti-immigrant.
Have you not been paying attention to them? To Trump?

https://time.com/5645501/trump-anti-imm ... ic-racism/

To the " GOP debate"?
https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration ... ans-think/

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/why- ... rlds-gain/

The roots of these views are old:
https://apps.bostonglobe.com/magazine/g ... migration/

Here in Upstate NY at this time of the year the folks busting their ass out in the fields picking apples, cabbage and squash are migrant workers. Those farms are not owned by FLP liberal Democrats like yourself. They are run by FRC types who can't afford to stay in business without paying substandard wages for field labor. You up to spending a day in the sunshine picking cabbage for chit pay?? Americans love spending very little for their produce. When a head of cabbage costs you 10 dollars a head for fair market value all us folks of German/Irish heritage couldn't afford sauerkraut or cabbage and potatoes.

On a side note my Sicilian wife and I have this argument all of the time. I say the most disgusting food that most folks eat is tripe My wife feels the same way about Sauerkraut and knockwurst. My bride does like kraut on a Reuben sammich. I don't understand how anyone can like tripe. There isn't enough gravy in the world to hide the foul taste that trump has.

I have no idea where that rant came from, but, cradle, I'm in favor of legal migrant workers being allowed to work in the US. I want folks registered to work and return home. Better pay here in US, yes. Asylum seekers with valid fear on return I want registered with a path to citizenship.

Our country can benefit from more immigrants and migrant workers, if legally registered, paying taxes, and staying out of trouble.

[MDlaxfan76]

I'm not as smart as all of you folks on this forum. I have come to this determination. Is the problem the foul up at the southern border? Is the problem that Joe Biden can't find it in his compassionate heart to pick up the tab for all of these new "asylum seekers" The easy solution is to let the states pick up the tab. Then in true fashion as in chit rolling downhill the tab transfers to cities and counties. The last stop on the chit rolling train is John and Betty taxpayer. Poor John and Betty are still trying to regroup to understand why their 100 dollar grocery bill is now 150 dollars a week.

Congress appropriates the money, not the POTUS. They haven't done so...expect to see that be part of the negotiation on border funding that both sides in Congress appear to want to address. This is likely to be attached to Ukraine funding and they'll get it across.

One of the things that Biden did do that was requested by people like Adams in NY, but slowly, was to shorten the time span before some asylum seekers could begin working legally...earning income gets them off the state dole and self-sufficient.

[cradleandshoot]

I'm not as smart as all of you folks on this forum. I have come to this determination. Is the problem the foul up at the southern border? Is the problem that Joe Biden can't find it in his compassionate heart to pick up the tab for all of these new "asylum seekers" The easy solution is to let the states pick up the tab. Then in true fashion as in chit rolling downhill the tab transfers to cities and counties. The last stop on the chit rolling train is John and Betty taxpayer. Poor John and Betty are still trying to regroup to understand why their 100 dollar grocery bill is now 150 dollars a week.

Congress appropriates the money, not the POTUS. They haven't done so...expect to see that be part of the negotiation on border funding that both sides in Congress appear to want to address. This is likely to be attached to Ukraine funding and they'll get it across.

One of the things that Biden did do that was requested by people like Adams in NY, but slowly, was to shorten the time span before some asylum seekers could begin working legally...earning income gets them off the state dole and self-sufficient.

Bologna, Biden signed an EO canceling student loan debt. That was not money appropriated by Congress. Are you now growing more selective about what positions you misrepresent? If Joe Biden wanted money for these asylum seeking folks he could do so with the stroke of his pen on an EO. Why hasn't he done so is a fact that has plumb evaded you. His peeps are screaming for federal tax payer money. This is after all a problem that Joe dumped right in their laps.

[Brooklyn]

... hasta el perro ...


"even the dog" is running across the border:


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/migra ... 3d2&ei=186

[MDlaxfan76]

I'm not as smart as all of you folks on this forum. I have come to this determination. Is the problem the foul up at the southern border? Is the problem that Joe Biden can't find it in his compassionate heart to pick up the tab for all of these new "asylum seekers" The easy solution is to let the states pick up the tab. Then in true fashion as in chit rolling downhill the tab transfers to cities and counties. The last stop on the chit rolling train is John and Betty taxpayer. Poor John and Betty are still trying to regroup to understand why their 100 dollar grocery bill is now 150 dollars a week.

Congress appropriates the money, not the POTUS. They haven't done so...expect to see that be part of the negotiation on border funding that both sides in Congress appear to want to address. This is likely to be attached to Ukraine funding and they'll get it across.

One of the things that Biden did do that was requested by people like Adams in NY, but slowly, was to shorten the time span before some asylum seekers could begin working legally...earning income gets them off the state dole and self-sufficient.

Bologna, Biden signed an EO canceling student loan debt. That was not money appropriated by Congress. Are you now growing more selective about what positions you misrepresent? If Joe Biden wanted money for these asylum seeking folks he could do so with the stroke of his pen on an EO. Why hasn't he done so is a fact that has plumb evaded you. His peeps are screaming for federal tax payer money. This is after all a problem that Joe dumped right in their laps.

Do you really need to have this explained to you???

You don't understand the difference between cancelling a debt and shelling out new money that's not been appropriated?

Or are you just trolling?

BTW, Joe's action on debt was reversed by SCOTUS...I think wrongly but there was a reasonable argument about why he didn't have that authority.

[cradleandshoot]

I'm not as smart as all of you folks on this forum. I have come to this determination. Is the problem the foul up at the southern border? Is the problem that Joe Biden can't find it in his compassionate heart to pick up the tab for all of these new "asylum seekers" The easy solution is to let the states pick up the tab. Then in true fashion as in chit rolling downhill the tab transfers to cities and counties. The last stop on the chit rolling train is John and Betty taxpayer. Poor John and Betty are still trying to regroup to understand why their 100 dollar grocery bill is now 150 dollars a week.

Congress appropriates the money, not the POTUS. They haven't done so...expect to see that be part of the negotiation on border funding that both sides in Congress appear to want to address. This is likely to be attached to Ukraine funding and they'll get it across.

One of the things that Biden did do that was requested by people like Adams in NY, but slowly, was to shorten the time span before some asylum seekers could begin working legally...earning income gets them off the state dole and self-sufficient.

Bologna, Biden signed an EO canceling student loan debt. That was not money appropriated by Congress. Are you now growing more selective about what positions you misrepresent? If Joe Biden wanted money for these asylum seeking folks he could do so with the stroke of his pen on an EO. Why hasn't he done so is a fact that has plumb evaded you. His peeps are screaming for federal tax payer money. This is after all a problem that Joe dumped right in their laps.

Do you really need to have this explained to you???

You don't understand the difference between cancelling a debt and shelling out new money that's not been appropriated?

Or are you just trolling?

BTW, Joe's action on debt was reversed by SCOTUS...I think wrongly but there was a reasonable argument about why he didn't have that authority.

If I ever need an education I know I will never it get from a person like you. When you have nothing intelligent to say you resort back to your sorry ass pathetic trolling playbook. Time for you to go for a bike ride old sod. FYI old sod the SCOTUS reversed it because it was unconstitutional. That doesn't stop Biden or any POTUS from issuing an EO trying to bypass Congress when it comes to spending money. Remember when trump wanted to do so to build his wall??
Sadly you and Joe seem to be suffering from early onset dementia or in your case CRS. FTR do you remember how many times I have already informed you I don't pay attention to any media sources outside of my local news and sometimes NBC morning news? I do like Al Roker and his weather reports. The most conservative info I pay attention to is OS, YA and Tech when he posts on here. For some strange reason the other conservative voices on this forum have disappeared for very obvious reasons. I wonder why that is?

[MDlaxfan76]

I'm not as smart as all of you folks on this forum. I have come to this determination. Is the problem the foul up at the southern border? Is the problem that Joe Biden can't find it in his compassionate heart to pick up the tab for all of these new "asylum seekers" The easy solution is to let the states pick up the tab. Then in true fashion as in chit rolling downhill the tab transfers to cities and counties. The last stop on the chit rolling train is John and Betty taxpayer. Poor John and Betty are still trying to regroup to understand why their 100 dollar grocery bill is now 150 dollars a week.

Congress appropriates the money, not the POTUS. They haven't done so...expect to see that be part of the negotiation on border funding that both sides in Congress appear to want to address. This is likely to be attached to Ukraine funding and they'll get it across.

One of the things that Biden did do that was requested by people like Adams in NY, but slowly, was to shorten the time span before some asylum seekers could begin working legally...earning income gets them off the state dole and self-sufficient.

Bologna, Biden signed an EO canceling student loan debt. That was not money appropriated by Congress. Are you now growing more selective about what positions you misrepresent? If Joe Biden wanted money for these asylum seeking folks he could do so with the stroke of his pen on an EO. Why hasn't he done so is a fact that has plumb evaded you. His peeps are screaming for federal tax payer money. This is after all a problem that Joe dumped right in their laps.

Do you really need to have this explained to you???

You don't understand the difference between cancelling a debt and shelling out new money that's not been appropriated?

Or are you just trolling?

BTW, Joe's action on debt was reversed by SCOTUS...I think wrongly but there was a reasonable argument about why he didn't have that authority.

If I ever need an education I know I will never it get from a person like you. When you have nothing intelligent to say you resort back to your sorry ass pathetic trolling playbook. Time for you to go for a bike ride old sod. FYI old sod the SCOTUS reversed it because it was unconstitutional. That doesn't stop Biden or any POTUS from issuing an EO trying to bypass Congress when it comes to spending money. Remember when trump wanted to do so to build his wall??
Sadly you and Joe seem to be suffering from early onset dementia or in your case CRS. FTR do you remember how many times I have already informed you I don't pay attention to any media sources outside of my local news and sometimes NBC morning news. I do like Al Roker and his weather reports.

You obviously don't have a clue and don't want to learn.
Congress has to authorize funding, though Presidents can decide whether to release what is authorized or not.
When that authorization is stated broadly enough by Congress as available in a contingency, the Executive can purpose those funds within that authorization but they can't just raid funds to do something quite different.

But Presidents can't just decide on their own, whether by EO or any other way, to spend money not authorized by Congress.

Sometimes they try to do so, but it's generally blocked legally when they do.

[Farfromgeneva]

H.R. 2 --passed May 23, 2023
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/59151

If we're going to give them work permits, govt benefits & hotel rooms -- young male migrants from Venezuela should be conscripted into a military force to take back their country. Do it right this time. Look at how effectively our proxy warriors in Ukraine are fighting.
We know how to do this. Choke off the flow into the Darien Gap while we're in the area.
https://www.army.mil/article/201880/us_ ... th_america
https://www.southcom.mil/MEDIA/NEWS-ART ... -training/
https://sofrep.com/news/u-s-special-for ... in-bogota/

Estimates are 400,000 migrants in the Darien Gap currently - how many US Special Forces personnel would be required to "choke off" that kind of flow?

Suggest your GOP pals figure out how to pay them first before winging it on foreign policy yet again.

Not that many to choke off & disrupt the entry point. Especially if you have the coopertation of Panama's & Colombias's militaries.
More effective than sending Kamala to address the " root cause".

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/4/1 ... -questions
12 Apr 2023
The IOM reported that a majority of those who crossed in 2022 – just more than 150,000 people – were from Venezuela, which has experienced a mass exodus amid years of socio-economic and political upheaval.

Ecuadorians, Haitians and Cubans also figured prominently among those who took the mountain route, which is rife with violence and natural hazards, including insects, snakes and unpredictable terrain.

Nearly 88,000 crossings were recorded in the first three months of 2023, the Reuters news agency reported, citing official Panama migration data.

On Wednesday, a senior Biden administration official told The Associated Press that US forces would “assist their Colombian and Panamanian counterparts with intelligence gathering to dismantle smuggling rings” in the Darien Gap.

“The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss details that have not been made public, said migration through the Darien would not end, but the campaign is expected to have significant impact,” the news agency reported.

The official did not specify whether US forces involved in the 60-day campaign would be military or civilian law enforcement, AP said.

So.....the "arm"the right guys" game starts yet again. Sweet.

Note the hypocrisy of the person suggesting it to when it comes to other situations. Of course the claim will be distinction of differences and nuance this person doesn’t actually understand but it’s all BS because reality is many posts have claimed to want and a strong desire to
Never be involved with any situation when it’s ones that politically are incongruent for said person.

[Farfromgeneva]

I'm not as smart as all of you folks on this forum. I have come to this determination. Is the problem the foul up at the southern border? Is the problem that Joe Biden can't find it in his compassionate heart to pick up the tab for all of these new "asylum seekers" The easy solution is to let the states pick up the tab. Then in true fashion as in chit rolling downhill the tab transfers to cities and counties. The last stop on the chit rolling train is John and Betty taxpayer. Poor John and Betty are still trying to regroup to understand why their 100 dollar grocery bill is now 150 dollars a week.

Congress appropriates the money, not the POTUS. They haven't done so...expect to see that be part of the negotiation on border funding that both sides in Congress appear to want to address. This is likely to be attached to Ukraine funding and they'll get it across.

One of the things that Biden did do that was requested by people like Adams in NY, but slowly, was to shorten the time span before some asylum seekers could begin working legally...earning income gets them off the state dole and self-sufficient.

Bologna, Biden signed an EO canceling student loan debt. That was not money appropriated by Congress. Are you now growing more selective about what positions you misrepresent? If Joe Biden wanted money for these asylum seeking folks he could do so with the stroke of his pen on an EO. Why hasn't he done so is a fact that has plumb evaded you. His peeps are screaming for federal tax payer money. This is after all a problem that Joe dumped right in their laps.

Do you really need to have this explained to you???

You don't understand the difference between cancelling a debt and shelling out new money that's not been appropriated?

Or are you just trolling?

BTW, Joe's action on debt was reversed by SCOTUS...I think wrongly but there was a reasonable argument about why he didn't have that authority.

Well…we know he can’t articulate it, but I could make the case they are effectively the same, distinction without a difference, and he did cancel a portion successfully after the SCOTUS decision (which I am of course fine with, this was never the right move for Biden to make anyways).

So yes he’s trolling because he can’t make the case successfully. But he did trip across something that’s actually true at the core. Like a blind squirrel eventually finding that elusive nut (then hug it all winter like one is turning coal intro diamonds)