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Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:22 am

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:37 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:26 am

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MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 7:08 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 6:57 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 6:38 pm

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Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 6:26 pm

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Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 3:44 pm https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/325 ... artnership

Cancel culture!!

it's pervasive. what's next, state farm?

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2021/11/5 ... cafee-show

i stopped reading after they quoted a study from end date july 17 on vaccine effectiveness. on november 5.

The ringer is a bunch of 20 somethings under Bill Simmons but they have their finger on the pulse of pop culture a lot better than anyone on these boards and I think are correct. The guy is lying like crazy, being deceitful and apparently as big a jerkoff and tool as Brett Farve and just about every other athlete we think we know. That’s the real point. Nobody reads the technical information I put up on numerous topics and no one wants to listen to what anyone else has to say. They’ve all got it figured out even when they claim they’re trying to learn or understand. So it goes.

if any of this relates to me, you'll have to reword so i understand what you're saying.

The point wasn’t to learn anything technical simply to illustrate that a website that is closer to people under 40 sees the guys lying and duplicitous nature and soft weakness for what it is. To dismiss it because they used some old study completely misunderstands the value of the piece. This thread is titled “all things coronavirus” not “technical scientific inquiry of the disease”

ya, i never said i was trying to learn something technical in the piece. but if someone is attempting to write a persuasive argument for x, y or z, and decides to lazily or (probably) purposefully put out... let's be charitable and call it dated material in defense of said arguments... i'm not obligated to attempt to "listen to what they have to say" any longer. they've got plenty of good data they can use. i don't misunderstand anything, thanks. i choose to not listen to that messenger.

I must be missing something. What was so egregiously unreasonable or wrong about the study that makes it inappropriate to cite as a refutation of Rodgers' insistence on “This idea that it’s the pandemic of the unvaccinated, it’s just a total lie,” ?

Did you simply want a study with a later date attached?

If you say, 'hey, it's just that it's not the very best study to challenge Rodgers' assertions', well ok. Probably so.

Seems to me that we know that the vaccine reduces both spread and that it dramatically reduces harmful outcomes among those infected. If more people were vaccinated, sooner, fewer would have died.

Doesn't mean there's zero transmission or harmful impact upon the vaccinated, but it's much greater likelihood among the unvaccinated.

So, what the big deal with not finding the even better, more recent proof that Rodgers' decision...yes, back in July, not to get vaccinated was all wet?

Nothing else they say is relevant??

It was a silly response. Childish even. I can acknowledge the weaknesses sin the ringer but when we’re talking about social relevance they can add value.

The dismissiveness is absurd unless somebody thinks they’ve gotten it all figured out. If I wasn’t going to finish a piece I wouldn’t bother responding to the post either. That’s kind of a dbag approach.

Let’s defend a guy who tried to invoke MLK as a defense for being duplicitous and wanting it both ways and special treatment in life. What a joke.

whoa, didn't see this one. at least this one isn't passive aggressive, so there's that.

i'll spell it out again... if i think an author/commenter (not a main storyline participant) is not trustworthy, i don't intend to try to discern which parts might be truthful, which need corroboration, which i can take at face value. there are probably 100s of thousands of takes on this subject already from twitter to publications that i can wade thru. don't need this guy or gal's. something happened around july to change the game a bit, did it not?

at no time did i defend mr. rodgers' take on the situation. where you get that, i have no idea.

What was the point in the post about stopping reading. That I was wasting everyone’s time putting it up there because you choose to not try to take value from it based on your approach? (”I don’t intend…). That everyone should adopt your approach and avoid opening the link? I don’t really care but would think that this post reply I’m referencing is either somebody wanting to be heard for no reason of value or they intend to confer some other meaning.

You’d don’t spell it out in your first reply, quoting the link. And as you’ve state before you are sometimes (often?) intentionally unclear.

all the good stuff. 3rd time? 4th? exactly what i said. because in my mind, the author is lazy or duplicitous.. me... i... am out on the takes as a result. where you go tossing all the other crap around is on you.

what was the point of posting the link, that we should all agree with everything in it? this is fun.

methinks you're a little hypersensitive here.

Hit them with facts WGDSR. You have them, they don’t.

https://www.newsweek.com/how-fauci-fool ... on-1643839

“Natural immunity. By pushing vaccine mandates, Dr. Fauci ignores naturally acquired immunity among the COVID-recovered, of which there are more than 45 million in the United States. Mounting evidence indicates that natural immunity is stronger and longer lasting than vaccine-induced immunity. [Eds.: Long-term trends are still unclear. A recent study reached the opposite conclusion, but was criticized by an author of this op-ed.] In a study from Israel, the vaccinated were 27 times more likely to get symptomatic COVID than the unvaccinated who had recovered from a prior infection.”

Rodgers is more protected now than anyone on this board who has had two or wants eighteen jabs.

That explains the hypersensitivity, btw.

Naturally acquired immunity? I really do not understand that. The immunity you naturally acquire from a virulent infection is no different in the means you acquire the immunity from a non virulent acquired vaccination. The means and the ends are the same, an immune response to an introduced "pathogen". It is no more natural, imo, to be infected by a virulent virus than it is to be vaccinated. The big difference is that one causes alot of death and the other............no so much.

Want unnaturally acquired immunity? Sign up for the mono-clonal antibody treatments. Introducing immunity with out any host immune response. That is unnaturally acquired immunity, imo.

He is an alternative view: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7044e1.htm

Does this study have some issues? Certainly but so does the Israeli study. What it truly suggests is that at this point, we really do not know about reinfection. What we do know is that vaccinations seems to be pretty darn good at 1)keeping people out of the hospital 2)keeping people out of the morgue.

Bart wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 7:28 am

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:22 am

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:37 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:26 am

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 07, 2021 10:11 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 8:14 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 7:08 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 6:57 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 6:38 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 6:33 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 6:26 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 4:41 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 4:32 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 4:06 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Nov 06, 2021 3:44 pm https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/325 ... artnership

Cancel culture!!

it's pervasive. what's next, state farm?

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2021/11/5 ... cafee-show

i stopped reading after they quoted a study from end date july 17 on vaccine effectiveness. on november 5.

The ringer is a bunch of 20 somethings under Bill Simmons but they have their finger on the pulse of pop culture a lot better than anyone on these boards and I think are correct. The guy is lying like crazy, being deceitful and apparently as big a jerkoff and tool as Brett Farve and just about every other athlete we think we know. That’s the real point. Nobody reads the technical information I put up on numerous topics and no one wants to listen to what anyone else has to say. They’ve all got it figured out even when they claim they’re trying to learn or understand. So it goes.

if any of this relates to me, you'll have to reword so i understand what you're saying.

The point wasn’t to learn anything technical simply to illustrate that a website that is closer to people under 40 sees the guys lying and duplicitous nature and soft weakness for what it is. To dismiss it because they used some old study completely misunderstands the value of the piece. This thread is titled “all things coronavirus” not “technical scientific inquiry of the disease”

ya, i never said i was trying to learn something technical in the piece. but if someone is attempting to write a persuasive argument for x, y or z, and decides to lazily or (probably) purposefully put out... let's be charitable and call it dated material in defense of said arguments... i'm not obligated to attempt to "listen to what they have to say" any longer. they've got plenty of good data they can use. i don't misunderstand anything, thanks. i choose to not listen to that messenger.

I must be missing something. What was so egregiously unreasonable or wrong about the study that makes it inappropriate to cite as a refutation of Rodgers' insistence on “This idea that it’s the pandemic of the unvaccinated, it’s just a total lie,” ?

Did you simply want a study with a later date attached?

If you say, 'hey, it's just that it's not the very best study to challenge Rodgers' assertions', well ok. Probably so.

Seems to me that we know that the vaccine reduces both spread and that it dramatically reduces harmful outcomes among those infected. If more people were vaccinated, sooner, fewer would have died.

Doesn't mean there's zero transmission or harmful impact upon the vaccinated, but it's much greater likelihood among the unvaccinated.

So, what the big deal with not finding the even better, more recent proof that Rodgers' decision...yes, back in July, not to get vaccinated was all wet?

Nothing else they say is relevant??

It was a silly response. Childish even. I can acknowledge the weaknesses sin the ringer but when we’re talking about social relevance they can add value.

The dismissiveness is absurd unless somebody thinks they’ve gotten it all figured out. If I wasn’t going to finish a piece I wouldn’t bother responding to the post either. That’s kind of a dbag approach.

Let’s defend a guy who tried to invoke MLK as a defense for being duplicitous and wanting it both ways and special treatment in life. What a joke.

whoa, didn't see this one. at least this one isn't passive aggressive, so there's that.

i'll spell it out again... if i think an author/commenter (not a main storyline participant) is not trustworthy, i don't intend to try to discern which parts might be truthful, which need corroboration, which i can take at face value. there are probably 100s of thousands of takes on this subject already from twitter to publications that i can wade thru. don't need this guy or gal's. something happened around july to change the game a bit, did it not?

at no time did i defend mr. rodgers' take on the situation. where you get that, i have no idea.

What was the point in the post about stopping reading. That I was wasting everyone’s time putting it up there because you choose to not try to take value from it based on your approach? (”I don’t intend…). That everyone should adopt your approach and avoid opening the link? I don’t really care but would think that this post reply I’m referencing is either somebody wanting to be heard for no reason of value or they intend to confer some other meaning.

You’d don’t spell it out in your first reply, quoting the link. And as you’ve state before you are sometimes (often?) intentionally unclear.

all the good stuff. 3rd time? 4th? exactly what i said. because in my mind, the author is lazy or duplicitous.. me... i... am out on the takes as a result. where you go tossing all the other crap around is on you.

what was the point of posting the link, that we should all agree with everything in it? this is fun.

methinks you're a little hypersensitive here.

Hit them with facts WGDSR. You have them, they don’t.

https://www.newsweek.com/how-fauci-fool ... on-1643839

“Natural immunity. By pushing vaccine mandates, Dr. Fauci ignores naturally acquired immunity among the COVID-recovered, of which there are more than 45 million in the United States. Mounting evidence indicates that natural immunity is stronger and longer lasting than vaccine-induced immunity. [Eds.: Long-term trends are still unclear. A recent study reached the opposite conclusion, but was criticized by an author of this op-ed.] In a study from Israel, the vaccinated were 27 times more likely to get symptomatic COVID than the unvaccinated who had recovered from a prior infection.”

Rodgers is more protected now than anyone on this board who has had two or wants eighteen jabs.

That explains the hypersensitivity, btw.

Naturally acquired immunity? I really do not understand that. The immunity you naturally acquire from a virulent infection is no different in the means you acquire the immunity from a non virulent acquired vaccination. The means and the ends are the same, an immune response to an introduced "pathogen". It is no more natural, imo, to be infected by a virulent virus than it is to be vaccinated. The big difference is that one causes alot of death and the other............no so much.

Want unnaturally acquired immunity? Sign up for the mono-clonal antibody treatments. Introducing immunity with out any host immune response. That is unnaturally acquired immunity, imo.

He is an alternative view: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7044e1.htm

Does this study have some issues? Certainly but so does the Israeli study. What it truly suggests is that at this point, we really do not know about reinfection. What we do know is that vaccinations seems to be pretty darn good at 1)keeping people out of the hospital 2)keeping people out of the morgue.

I don’t know if we even know that, to be frank. We simply don’t have enough long term data.

This has been my beef all along with the ‘mandate crowd’. Our body of evidence on any of the Covid vaccines is (at best!) one year old. One year!! Any other vaccine we have decades of data, so our thoughts are way more informed. Our thoughts on Covid vaccines are as educated as a toddler, but that doesn’t prevent some from stating their thoughts on Covid as if Moses himself had handed them the answers,

But the ‘mandate crowd’ (it doesn’t take a genius to realize which side of the political divide this is) has politicized this vaccine and pandemic to the point where they’ve become modern day Salem witch burners. Like, who of sane mind for a second takes issue with Aaron Rodgers? If anything, everyone ought to applaud people like Rodgers for being cautious, using their brains to ask for more information before doing something to their body which is irreversible. Yet look at this board! You’ve got the usual ten here demanding that Aaron be seen as some Neanderthal, when the complete opposite is true. It’s ever amazing, never ending.

I have no idea what the answer is to this virus. My gut tells me the oral pills coming out shortly might be the real deal. We will see.

One thing I know is to not listen to the mandate crowd. They are know nothings. In fact, if you are sentient, you’d do the opposite of the mandate crowd. I can tell, you this…in a trillion years, I would never do a third shot or booster. I wouldn’t tell you not to, but no way would I do that. Insanity.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/08/brie ... erica.html



By David Leonhardt

Good morning. The partisan gap in Covid deaths has grown larger.

COVID gets Even redder

As 2020 wound down, there were good reasons to believe that the death toll during the pandemic’s first year might have been worse in red America. There were also good reasons to think it might have been worse in blue America.

Conservative areas tend to be older, less prosperous and more hostile to mask wearing, all of which can exacerbate the spread or severity of Covid-19. Liberal areas, for their part, are home both to more busy international airports and more Americans who suffer the health consequences of racial discrimination.

But it turned out that these differences largely offset each other in 2020 — or maybe they didn’t matter as much as some people assumed. Either way, the per capita death toll in blue America and red America was similar by the final weeks of 2020.

It was only a few percentage points higher in counties where Donald Trump had won at least 60 percent of the vote than in counties where Joe Biden crossed that threshold. In counties where neither candidate won 60 percent, the death toll was higher than in either Trump or Biden counties. There simply was not a strong partisan pattern to Covid during the first year that it was circulating in the U.S.

Then the vaccines arrived.

They proved so powerful, and the partisan attitudes toward them so different, that a gap in Covid’s death toll quickly emerged. I have covered that gap in two newsletters — one this summer, one last month — and today’s newsletter offers an update.

The brief version: The gap in Covid’s death toll between red and blue America has grown faster over the past month than at any previous point.

In October, 25 out of every 100,000 residents of heavily Trump counties died from Covid, more than three times higher than the rate in heavily Biden counties (7.8 per 100,000). October was the fifth consecutive month that the percentage gap between the death rates in Trump counties and Biden counties widened.

Some conservative writers have tried to claim that the gap may stem from regional differences in weather or age, but those arguments fall apart under scrutiny. (If weather or age were a major reason, the pattern would have begun to appear last year.) The true explanation is straightforward: The vaccines are remarkably effective at preventing severe Covid, and almost 40 percent of Republican adults remain unvaccinated, compared with about 10 percent of Democratic adults.

Charles Gaba, a Democratic health care analyst, has pointed out that the gap is also evident at finer gradations of political analysis: Counties where Trump received at least 70 percent of the vote have an even higher average Covid death toll than counties where Trump won at least 60 percent.

As a result, Covid deaths have been concentrated in counties outside of major metropolitan areas. Many of these are in red states, while others are in red parts of blue or purple states, like Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, Oregon, Virginia and even California.

This situation is a tragedy, in which irrational fears about vaccine side effects have overwhelmed rational fears about a deadly virus. It stems from disinformation — promoted by right-wing media, like Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News, the Sinclair Broadcast Group and online sources — that preys on the distrust that results from stagnant living standards.

A peak?
The future of Covid is uncertain, but I do think it’s possible that the partisan gap in Covid deaths reached its peak last month. There are two main reasons to expect the gap may soon shrink.

One, the new antiviral treatments from Pfizer and Merck seem likely to reduce Covid deaths everywhere, and especially in the places where they are most common. These treatments, along with the vaccines, may eventually turn this coronavirus into just another manageable virus.

Two, red America has probably built up more natural immunity to Covid — from prior infections — than blue America, because the hostility to vaccination and social distancing has caused the virus to spread more widely. A buildup in natural immunity may be one reason that the partisan gap in new Covid cases has shrunk recently.

Death trends tend to lag case trends by a few weeks, which suggests the gap in deaths will shrink in November.

Still, nobody knows what will happen next. Much of the recent decline in caseloads is mysterious, which means it may not last. And the immunity from vaccination appears to be much stronger than the immunity from infection, which means that conservative Americans will probably continue to suffer an outsized amount of unnecessary illness and death.

Don't relax just yet...

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substac ... tm_source=

Link above has charts.


State of Affairs: Nov 8
Katelyn Jetelina

We have a steady plateau in the United States, which is making public health officials very uneasy.

First, we’ve idled at a high transmission rate. Our case rate today is higher than the peak of the first two waves. This is not how we want to enter the winter season— when coronaviruses typically thrive.

Second, almost every country in Europe has cases increasing exponentially. Europe has consistently acted as an early warning signal for the U.S. Notably, Germany has the highest case rate since the beginning of the pandemic.

And Europe has much higher vaccination rates than the United States. So if they are doing poorly, we may do worse. Denmark has the highest vaccination rate (76%) in which cases are increasing. Belgium (74%), Italy (73%), France (68%) and Germany (67%) follow. (Interestingly, European countries with the highest vaccination rates [Portugal at 86%; Spain at 79%] are not increasing in cases.)

Increasing cases with a high vaccination rates can mean a few things:

There are still vulnerable pockets; the immunity wall isn’t high enough yet.

This may confirm that SARS-CoV-2 is, in fact, seasonal; it’s getting cold in Europe.

Europe has pandemic fatigue and letting their guard down, like the U.S.

Perhaps most telling is that the case make-up is shifting. In Summer, the European wave was largely driven by younger populations (i.e. unvaccinated). Currently, the wave is driven by all ages equally. This could mean that vaccines are waning, like we saw in Israel a few months ago. The European Medicines Agency has already cleared booster shots for everyone 18 and up but decisions on who should receive the extra dose are up to individual governments. Time to go get those boosters, folks.

Cases

Back in the States, all eyes continue to be on the West. Alaska is still the case leader (82 cases per 100,000), but has declined nicely (24%) in the past 14 days. North Dakota (67 per 100K), Montana (62 per 100K) and Wyoming (59 per 100K) closely follow. Cases are increasing fastest in New Mexico (47%), followed by Colorado (36%), Nebraska (33%), and Vermont (32%).

Kids continue to make up more and more cases as this pandemic moves forward.

If anyone is still following CDC guidelines, vaccinated people in “moderate” or “low” transmission counties can now take off their masks inside. This is about 10% of counties, which are largely confined to the South. To check your county’s status, go here.

(CDC: Source here)
Test positivity rate

As a nation, we have a fantastic test positivity rate (TPR) at 5%. However, if you look closely, this has started to increase. TPR is an early indicator of what is to come, so cases may follow suit in the next few days too.

Because our testing strategies are shifting (more rapid antigen), it’s still unclear if TPR is still a reliable metric. Time will tell.

(CDC)
Hospitalizations

Hospitalizations have decreased 14% in the past two weeks and have finally dripped below 50,000. The deceleration is slowing, which is not surprising as hospitalizations lag cases. Hospitalizations will probably start to plateau in the next week or two.

NYT
Deaths

We reached a sober milestone: 750,000 people in the United States have died from COVID19. This includes about 50,000 since the start of October. At this point, deaths are preventable.

It didn’t have to be like this. Other countries, like South Korea, have largely escaped death due to their comprehensive response. I previously wrote about their response here.

And if mortality doesn’t show a grave enough picture, another metric we use in public health care is “years of life lost”. This is a metric that’s calculated by subtracting the expected age of death by the actual age they died from COVID19. A recent study found, among 37 upper-middle and high income countries, the US ranked one of the highest with years lost. This is because a large portion of our deaths are young people, and specifically males.

Vaccinations

Vaccines continue to work brilliantly. The CDC hasn’t updated their website since September, so we are at the mercy of states and local jurisdictions. For example, in Oregon’s latest report, cases continue to be largely driven by unvaccinated. There are breakthrough cases, but very, very few result in hospitalizations and deaths.

We’re giving about 1,830,897 doses per day, which includes 421,397 people getting their first shot. In the coming months, vaccination breadth and depth will be key:

Breadth: Unvaccinated need to get vaccinated. This includes 5-11 year olds.

Depth: Boosters. Only 12.4% of fully vaccinated people have had a booster. 60% of the fully vaccinated are eligible.

What we do today will determine how we fare this Winter.

Love, YLE

Thanks CU88.

Our vaccine deniers are getting more shrill as the #'s get worse and worse for the unvaccinated.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:04 am Thanks CU88.

Our vaccine deniers are getting more shrill as the #'s get worse and worse for the unvaccinated.

Shrill?

I don’t think cradle or I could reasonably be interpreted as shrill. Perhaps you’re confusing mockery for being shrill?

If anyone has ever learned anything from internet discourse, it’s to never trust the words of anyone who claims he knows the unknowable. For instance, if anyone claims one year of data on a vaccine is enough evidence to prove one way or the other about its efficacy, that person should be ignored (for all I know, the vaxxes will ultimately prove as amazingly successful antidotes…we will know in a decade). That person is not a serious sober observer, but rather a partisan with an agenda, not terribly different than a carnival barker tricking customers into the tent.

Now that is a sober assessment of the mandate crowd; sadly, they are the opposite of what they wish others saw them as. Aaron Rodgers showed more intelligence and leadership with one decision than many of our lacrosse fans dream of at night, which helps explain their disdain of the man.

Wow, what stupidity.

Yes, shrill...the more evidence that accumulates the more shrill they get.
Panicked to have been so very wrong.

And instead of scratching their heads and saying, well, let's admit we were wrong and let's move forward, nope, let's go deeper down the partisan rathole...

"One thing I know is to not listen to the mandate crowd. They are know nothings. In fact, if you are sentient, you’d do the opposite of the mandate crowd. I can tell, you this…in a trillion years, I would never do a third shot or booster. I wouldn’t tell you not to, but no way would I do that. Insanity."

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:37 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:04 am Thanks CU88.

Our vaccine deniers are getting more shrill as the #'s get worse and worse for the unvaccinated.

Shrill?

I don’t think cradle or I could reasonably be interpreted as shrill. Perhaps you’re confusing mockery for being shrill?

If anyone has ever learned anything from internet discourse, it’s to never trust the words of anyone who claims he knows the unknowable. For instance, if anyone claims one year of data on a vaccine is enough evidence to prove one way or the other about its efficacy, that person should be ignored (for all I know, the vaxxes will ultimately prove as amazingly successful antidotes…we will know in a decade). That person is not a serious sober observer, but rather a partisan with an agenda, not terribly different than a carnival barker tricking customers into the tent.

Now that is a sober assessment of the mandate crowd; sadly, they are the opposite of what they wish others saw them as. Aaron Rodgers showed more intelligence and leadership with one decision than many of our lacrosse fans dream of at night, which helps explain their disdain of the man.

... keep digging dumbass

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:46 am Wow, what stupidity.

Yes, shrill...the more evidence that accumulates the more shrill they get.
Panicked to have been so very wrong.

And instead of scratching their heads and saying, well, let's admit we were wrong and let's move forward, nope, let's go deeper down the partisan rathole...

"One thing I know is to not listen to the mandate crowd. They are know nothings. In fact, if you are sentient, you’d do the opposite of the mandate crowd. I can tell, you this…in a trillion years, I would never do a third shot or booster. I wouldn’t tell you not to, but no way would I do that. Insanity."

‘Shrill’ is asking for a tad more data on a new vaccine, more than maybe just one year? Cautious is now, shrill?

Alright.

I guess I didn’t understand the word. Shrill is now cautious. Cautious is shrill. War is peace.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 7:52 am

I don’t know if we even know that, to be frank. We simply don’t have enough long term data.

This has been my beef all along with the ‘mandate crowd’. Our body of evidence on any of the Covid vaccines is (at best!) one year old. One year!! Any other vaccine we have decades of data, so our thoughts are way more informed. Our thoughts on Covid vaccines are as educated as a toddler, but that doesn’t prevent some from stating their thoughts on Covid as if Moses himself had handed them the answers,

But the ‘mandate crowd’ (it doesn’t take a genius to realize which side of the political divide this is) has politicized this vaccine and pandemic to the point where they’ve become modern day Salem witch burners. Like, who of sane mind for a second takes issue with Aaron Rodgers? If anything, everyone ought to applaud people like Rodgers for being cautious, using their brains to ask for more information before doing something to their body which is irreversible. Yet look at this board! You’ve got the usual ten here demanding that Aaron be seen as some Neanderthal, when the complete opposite is true. It’s ever amazing, never ending.

I have no idea what the answer is to this virus. My gut tells me the oral pills coming out shortly might be the real deal. We will see.

One thing I know is to not listen to the mandate crowd. They are know nothings. In fact, if you are sentient, you’d do the opposite of the mandate crowd. I can tell, you this…in a trillion years, I would never do a third shot or booster. I wouldn’t tell you not to, but no way would I do that. Insanity.

"I have no idea what the answer is to this virus." Truer words have not been spoken and this is the most honest thing you've said on the forums. And yet you go and tell people what they should and shouldn't do.

Simple question - have there been any long term side effects from any vaccine that took more than a year and a half to present?

We have more than a year and a half and billions of points of data surrounding the vaccines. The antiviral pills are going to have even shorter long term data history than the vaccines. But you'll be perfectly fine with them?

NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:02 am
Simple question - have there been any long term side effects from any vaccine that took more than a year and a half to present?

Seriously... you consider that "long-term"?

NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:02 am

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 7:52 am

I don’t know if we even know that, to be frank. We simply don’t have enough long term data.

This has been my beef all along with the ‘mandate crowd’. Our body of evidence on any of the Covid vaccines is (at best!) one year old. One year!! Any other vaccine we have decades of data, so our thoughts are way more informed. Our thoughts on Covid vaccines are as educated as a toddler, but that doesn’t prevent some from stating their thoughts on Covid as if Moses himself had handed them the answers,

But the ‘mandate crowd’ (it doesn’t take a genius to realize which side of the political divide this is) has politicized this vaccine and pandemic to the point where they’ve become modern day Salem witch burners. Like, who of sane mind for a second takes issue with Aaron Rodgers? If anything, everyone ought to applaud people like Rodgers for being cautious, using their brains to ask for more information before doing something to their body which is irreversible. Yet look at this board! You’ve got the usual ten here demanding that Aaron be seen as some Neanderthal, when the complete opposite is true. It’s ever amazing, never ending.

I have no idea what the answer is to this virus. My gut tells me the oral pills coming out shortly might be the real deal. We will see.

One thing I know is to not listen to the mandate crowd. They are know nothings. In fact, if you are sentient, you’d do the opposite of the mandate crowd. I can tell, you this…in a trillion years, I would never do a third shot or booster. I wouldn’t tell you not to, but no way would I do that. Insanity.

"I have no idea what the answer is to this virus." Truer words have not been spoken and this is the most honest thing you've said on the forums. And yet you go and tell people what they should and shouldn't do.

Simple question - have there been any long term side effects from any vaccine that took more than a year and a half to present?

We have more than a year and a half and billions of points of data surrounding the vaccines. The antiviral pills are going to have even shorter long term data history than the vaccines. But you'll be perfectly fine with them?

My last full sentence in my post I say, “I wouldn’t tell you what to do”, then you claim I tell people what to do. Huh?

I don’t care if you take a thousand booster shots if that’s what floats your boat. I mean, go for it. Let me know how it works out.

By the way, I have never had a flu shot. I’m not against them I just never felt the need. And I’ve never been sick.

the news media has been merciless towards Aaron Rodgers for the mess he created by refusing to vax:



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Part of his motivation being that he feared becoming sterile if he vaxed!

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:11 am

NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:02 am
Simple question - have there been any long term side effects from any vaccine that took more than a year and a half to present?

Seriously... you consider that "long-term"?

For the issue of side effects, yes. And the longer this goes on, the less likely any "new" side effects from the original vaccinations show up.

The issue of efficacy is more complex. For the short term the mRNA vaccines have proven already to be very highly effective at preventing hospitalization and death, although there is some documented waning - which is why the booster. There are multiple possible reasons that all could be in play as to why that happens - including the fact that the rush to get out the vaccine and into as many arms as possible due to the severe nature of this pandemic has not allowed the most optimum dosing schedule to necessarily be put into place.

A good example is the new Shingrix vaccine. Best timetable for the second dose is between 2 and 6 months if I remember correctly. There may be a more optimum schedule than the Pfizer 3 weeks between doses and the Moderna 4 weeks. That is the kind of thing that longer term studies need to figure out.

But in reality, given the needs of squashing the pandemic, choices have been made to more rapidly build the correct herd immunity. If you live in a place with high vaccination rates, and high uptake of boosters, it is much more likely not to get a winter fourth wave this year...

From the NYTimes:

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:11 am

NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:02 am
Simple question - have there been any long term side effects from any vaccine that took more than a year and a half to present?

Seriously... you consider that "long-term"?

It's a simple question - have there been any long term side effects from any vaccine that took more than a year and a half to present?

I do mean any vaccine ever.

NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:31 am

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:11 am

NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:02 am
Simple question - have there been any long term side effects from any vaccine that took more than a year and a half to present?

Seriously... you consider that "long-term"?

It's a simple question - have there been any long term side effects from any vaccine that took more than a year and a half to present?

I do mean any vaccine ever.

This was a great article produced while Trump was president, advocating for caution.

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/here ... 19-vaccine

I don’t think it’s necessarily just long term side effects we are concerned with, but also production errors and how multiple boosters could present even more risk.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:17 am My last full sentence in my post I say, “I wouldn’t tell you what to do”, then you claim I tell people what to do. Huh?

I don’t care if you take a thousand booster shots if that’s what floats your boat. I mean, go for it. Let me know how it works out.

By the way, I have never had a flu shot. I’m not against them I just never felt the need. And I’ve never been sick.

Yep you tell people who not to listen to.

Glad to hear you haven't been sick, lots of people haven't had that fortune with the flu or COVID.

You could also not wear your mandated seat belt. If you're not gonna get into a crash, why wear it? People even die because of seat belts.

Recommended vaccines and boosters of all types are working out great over here.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:41 am

NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:31 am

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:11 am

NattyBohChamps04 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:02 am
Simple question - have there been any long term side effects from any vaccine that took more than a year and a half to present?

Seriously... you consider that "long-term"?

It's a simple question - have there been any long term side effects from any vaccine that took more than a year and a half to present?

I do mean any vaccine ever.

This was a great article produced while Trump was president, advocating for caution.

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/here ... 19-vaccine

I don’t think it’s necessarily just long term side effects we are concerned with, but also production errors and how multiple boosters could present even more risk.

I have a simple question - have there been any long term side effects from any vaccine that took more than a year and a half to present?

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:41 am I don’t think it’s necessarily just long term side effects we are concerned with, but also production errors and how multiple boosters could present even more risk.

Buffalo bagels. All vaccines are susceptible to manufacturing problems and production errors.....MMR, Polio, all of them. And you just got done telling us that those are fine.

You can't logic you way out of taking a reasonable vaccine.

All that this is about is that you don't want to give up your political football. You want an issue to hand to the mouth breathers in your party, instead of just getting a stupid shot.

So please, whine away. Where were you? Oh right..... Libs are bad. Don't take the shot-----that'll show them who's boss, Pete!!!