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Hoponboard wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:11 pm “The university will announce a plan for the spring semester by Thanksgiving, with the understanding that those plans will be re-evaluated closer to the start of the semester and may require a course change if coronavirus cases surge locally or nationally. Interim planning decisions will be announced at least every other week.”

“While spring plans are in development, the leaders also announced that the university's Intersession Program, which offers academic and enrichment courses to undergraduate students during the break between the fall and spring semesters, will take place entirely online Jan. 4–22.”

https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/10/01/universi ... sSO1jfrpg8

If there is a season in 2021, it sounds like it would be delayed at least a month.

Hoponboard wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:11 pm “The university will announce a plan for the spring semester by Thanksgiving, with the understanding that those plans will be re-evaluated closer to the start of the semester and may require a course change if coronavirus cases surge locally or nationally. Interim planning decisions will be announced at least every other week.”

“While spring plans are in development, the leaders also announced that the university's Intersession Program, which offers academic and enrichment courses to undergraduate students during the break between the fall and spring semesters, will take place entirely online Jan. 4–22.”

https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/10/01/universi ... sSO1jfrpg8

If there is a season in 2021, it sounds like it would be delayed at least a month.

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:06 pm

Hoponboard wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:11 pm “The university will announce a plan for the spring semester by Thanksgiving, with the understanding that those plans will be re-evaluated closer to the start of the semester and may require a course change if coronavirus cases surge locally or nationally. Interim planning decisions will be announced at least every other week.”

“While spring plans are in development, the leaders also announced that the university's Intersession Program, which offers academic and enrichment courses to undergraduate students during the break between the fall and spring semesters, will take place entirely online Jan. 4–22.”

https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/10/01/universi ... sSO1jfrpg8

If there is a season in 2021, it sounds like it would be delayed at least a month.

Not doubting that any potential season could get pushed back, but where are you getting that from this announcement? Jan 4-22 is a normal intersession schedule. Don't necessarily think that intersession being online will preclude teams from returning to campus for practice in January.

flalax22 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:55 am

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 11:06 pm

Hoponboard wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:11 pm “The university will announce a plan for the spring semester by Thanksgiving, with the understanding that those plans will be re-evaluated closer to the start of the semester and may require a course change if coronavirus cases surge locally or nationally. Interim planning decisions will be announced at least every other week.”

“While spring plans are in development, the leaders also announced that the university's Intersession Program, which offers academic and enrichment courses to undergraduate students during the break between the fall and spring semesters, will take place entirely online Jan. 4–22.”

https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/10/01/universi ... sSO1jfrpg8

If there is a season in 2021, it sounds like it would be delayed at least a month.

Not doubting that any potential season could get pushed back, but where are you getting that from this announcement? Jan 4-22 is a normal intersession schedule. Don't necessarily think that intersession being online will preclude teams from returning to campus for practice in January.

Can’t think they are keeping the campus closed until Jan 22 but are going to let the lacrosse team practice. In fact I’d say no chance.

Chitown wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:02 pm

Sagittarius A* wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 11:44 am

Chitown wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:54 pm A change of topic in these desperate soul-sucking times

I found confirmation of my opinion that the best Lacrosse Team that I have ever seen or played against (bar done) was the 1965 Navy Team. My sophomore year we had only one loss and Navy beat us approx 14-5 and the game wasn't that close. They were terrific.

Read for yourselves: https:/www.capitalgazette.com/sports/navy/ac-c ... story.html

Plus there were less than 35 players on the Team. (relevant for the size of lacrosse rosters and Navy players just "loved" Coach Bilderbach.)

Do you think they could have beaten the 1979 Hopkins team, assuming the teams used similar stick technologies? Greenberg against Jimmy Lewis would have been an epic match-up. The 79 Hop defense was flat out scary and they also ran three elite midfields. Jeff Cook, Jimmie Zaffuto and Frank Cutrone at attack. Piggie in goal. Radebaugh at the face. They blew NC state off the field in the semifinals and NC State had Stan Cockerton and a record setting offense. Not sure anybody hangs with the 79 team in the playoffs, honestly. Greenberg was absolutely dominant that year. No comparison I can think of.

You know, the teams that Navy beat in 1965, and surrounding years, weren"t "half bad" and were not Swiss Cheese ; Navy in 1965 was in a different Universe. They didn't just beat teams, they destroyed teams.
I am always reluctant to compare teams from different Eras and using different technologies (sticks, sticks, sticks!).

In 1967. JHU's defense had a Goalie that was 2nd Team AA, Hank K that was the Schmeiser Award winner for 2 straight years (and 1st Team AA for those years), Mike Clark that would be the Schmeiser Award winner in the succeeding years, John Cardillo who was "only" 2nd team AA, on Attack:Joe Cowan (1st Team AA), Downie McCarty (1st Team AA) and Phil Kneip (2nd Team AA) and lots of good fast middies. And all with size. That is what it took to beat Navy in 1967, a team that didn't have Jimmy Lewis, Pat Donnelly, Lanier, Henderson, etc.

Navy in 1965 had all that talent, and with lots of depth. They just kept running the whole game. Who really knows how they would compare to a team in a different Era, BUT US Lacrosse picked 1965 Navy Team and explained its reasons I will go with its reasoning.

The 1950 Blue Jays captured a fourth straight USILA national championship and are routinely mentioned as one of the most dominant collegiate teams from any era. The famed senior class never lost a game to a collegiate opponent during their career. Kelso Morrill, a member of the National Lacrosse Hall of Fame, served as coach for the 1950 team. Ten of the team’s 25 players earned All-America status that year, and many of them went on to very successful coaching careers, including a sophomore named Bob Scott who eventually became JHU’s all-time leader in coaching victories.

https://www.uslacrosse.org/blog/inaugur ... tion-award

mocking jay wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:36 pm Howdy Myers was Head Coach of the JHU team for the first three years. He also coached the FB team. Myers left and went to Hofstra in the same roles. He developed the zone defense. Among his players in the 1970s was Tom Calder a middie who scored 3 against Hopkins in a NCAA game.

Joe Cowan was drafted by the Colts as a kick returner and receiver. He was the last player cut on a position decision. He was almost surely the fastest attack man to play. He had NFL level speed. Mike Curtis who was an All Pro Middle Linebacker and two teammates went to see Cowan play FB. They came away believing he could play in the NFL but Curtis was awed by Willie Scroggs. He noted if Scroggs weighed 50 lbs more he could be an All Pro linebacker.

The Navy team of 1965 did not have the stick skills Hopkins players had. They had a huge size advantage. They were able to take advantage of the sports schedule then. The fall sports did not have spring activity. Jimmy Lewis was first team soccer his senior and Pat Donnelly a FB AA. Both Bilderbavk and Scott believed size was the biggest factor. Scott recruited for size after and in 1966 the Hopkins freshman team routinely man handled the varsity. Freshman couldn’t play varsity then. After the 1967 game Bilderback questioned whether the team would lose any games for the next three years. Jimmy Lewis would run circles to tire his man out. He had a non stop motor.

Opinion: JHU 1978-1980; Cuse 1988-1990, Cornell 1976-1978 and others were better than that team by their time. Size speed conditioning and skills were significantly better by then.

flalax22 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:26 pm Koleton Marquis 22 - Attack/ Mid committed to Hop today. Nice pick up.

HopFan16 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:14 pm

flalax22 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:26 pm Koleton Marquis 22 - Attack/ Mid committed to Hop today. Nice pick up.

Really happy about this. Had a feeling throughout the process we’d land him but you never really know. Can’t really remember the last time we had a player with his finishing skill (potential skill I should say, as he’s still just a high school junior). Brandon Benn or Zach Palmer maybe but Marquis seems to have more dodging ability at this stage. The new staff’s first official class is coming together pretty well I’d say.

Chitown wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:57 pm

mocking jay wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 4:36 pm Howdy Myers was Head Coach of the JHU team for the first three years. He also coached the FB team. Myers left and went to Hofstra in the same roles. He developed the zone defense. Among his players in the 1970s was Tom Calder a middie who scored 3 against Hopkins in a NCAA game.

Joe Cowan was drafted by the Colts as a kick returner and receiver. He was the last player cut on a position decision. He was almost surely the fastest attack man to play. He had NFL level speed. Mike Curtis who was an All Pro Middle Linebacker and two teammates went to see Cowan play FB. They came away believing he could play in the NFL but Curtis was awed by Willie Scroggs. He noted if Scroggs weighed 50 lbs more he could be an All Pro linebacker.

The Navy team of 1965 did not have the stick skills Hopkins players had. They had a huge size advantage. They were able to take advantage of the sports schedule then. The fall sports did not have spring activity. Jimmy Lewis was first team soccer his senior and Pat Donnelly a FB AA. Both Bilderbavk and Scott believed size was the biggest factor. Scott recruited for size after and in 1966 the Hopkins freshman team routinely man handled the varsity. Freshman couldn’t play varsity then. After the 1967 game Bilderback questioned whether the team would lose any games for the next three years. Jimmy Lewis would run circles to tire his man out. He had a non stop motor.

Opinion: JHU 1978-1980; Cuse 1988-1990, Cornell 1976-1978 and others were better than that team by their time. Size speed conditioning and skills were significantly better by then.

I just have to "jump in" here because the stated facts are just wrong. In 1966, the Freshmen Team did not routinely man-handle the Varsity. That rumor supposedly arose in 1971, when the Varsity was thin (after 4 straight NC Teams) and Freshmen were then (that year) allowed to play Varsity. Navy, Army and the Ivies did not allow Freshmen to play Varsity in 1971, and Scotty decided it would be unfair if Hopkins permitted a group of outstanding Freshmen to play Varsity (even though a number of Varsity players asked Scotty to let them play). That was a difficult year (1971) for Hopkins, but a "game" group of players.

Navy football finished 2nd in the Nation to Texas in 1964 (I believe) when Roger Staubach was the QB and the Heisman Trophy winner. The Navy football players during that time were certainly not equivalent physically to Cornell, Syracuse & JHU lacrosse players. The equivalent would be current Alabama, Ohio State, etc football players.

In 1965, McFadden, Lewis, Overton, Lantier, the Navy goalie, their midfielders, all had excellent stickwork (the wood stick era) and had played lacrosse in High School. Scattered among them were really good Div. 1 football players who Coach Bilderback, with his assistants, taught lacrosse fundamentals in the Winter and Spring in Navy's Field House.

I think many observers think that good stick skills alone make a "good lacrosse player". I don't think so. Lacrosse fundamentals, such as ground balls, good defensive skills, good defensive and offensive positioning, field judgment, speed, clearing and riding skills, simple passing and catching skills, etc and No Unforced Errors.

Some of your statements are straight from the 1967 Sports Illustrated article.

I don't consider myself to be infallible but I played in every JHU game 1965-1967. My only insight is that 1965 Navy Team was very very special.

WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:15 am I just saw a new butcherization of JHU’s name:

Johnson Hopkins University

At least they got the S right.

Thanks, Fox News. Not sure if you are calling us all dicks or what.

Both Bilderbavk snd Scott identified size as the most important factor.

WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 1:52 pm It’s not like one of these factors is considered in the total absence of all others either.


But what Bilderback and Scotty seemed to be saying, as I would interpret it, out of all those factors, size can be a huge advantage.