All things Chinese CoronaVirus

[Typical Lax Dad]

Don't get vaccinated..... soon only vaccinated people will be dying from COVID!

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/scich ... accinated/

[wgdsr]

Don't get vaccinated..... soon only vaccinated people will be dying from COVID!

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/scich ... accinated/

% will keep rising probably if more get vaxxed.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... ose-to-17m

[Typical Lax Dad]

Don't get vaccinated..... soon only vaccinated people will be dying from COVID!

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/scich ... accinated/

% will keep rising probably if more get vaxxed.

That means its the vaccine.

[wgdsr]

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... ose-to-17m

this is impossible. i was told we did the worst of all countries throughout the globe.

[ggait]

Don't get vaccinated..... soon only vaccinated people will be dying from COVID!

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/scich ... accinated/

Yup. If 100% of people were vaxed, then 100% of Covid deaths (while at a very low level) would be among vaxed people.

What was I thinking yesterday by getting that booster shot? I guess I'm now doomed.

[MDlaxfan76]

So, when a Lacrosse coach gets sick, with covid, after being FULLY vaccinated.......it's become a disease of the unimmunized ?

CDC data for September 2021.

2,400 deaths among vaxed people who got breaktrhough infections.

49,800 among unvaxed people that would have been prevented with a vaccination.

Honest question RRR. Are you an a-hole or just dumb?

there's probably over 20k breakthru deaths.

Data? or are back to spit balling it?

document there in first link, i don't know how to copy easily on phone. spells out infections, the hospitalizations they have records for (~50%), and deaths. did this for 4 or 5 states.

washington has a relatively mean-ish vaxx rate and case rate in 2021. unless anyone believes there's something crazy about covid vaxx deaths in the state of washington (20-25% of nation total?), they've simply tracked it. or do other states, and you'll come up with mid teens + to the ~26k washington shows.

plenty of articles on the dysfunction of state reporting on this to cdc. trump's cdc has always been a mess. probably change once biden gets in there.

So, spitballing....
Personally, I have nothing against spitballing.

Close to 400K deaths since vaccine first became available, which if we assumed your 20k had been vaccinated prior to infection and death that'd mean 380K were among unvaccinated...so maybe 19X of those from breakthroughs if your estimate is right.

Of course, as vaccinations went up, the possibility of a breakthrough at all went up, bigger pool.

But even now, we get a roughly 20X unvaccinated to vaccinated, so presumably a heck of a lot less likely when vaccinations were much lower. On the other hand...Delta.

I went to the site, https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Docume ... Report.pdf

They say they expect to identify 70% more breakthrough infections with this methodology.

They say they identified 59,543 possible breakthrough cases; 543 died. In the same time period, about 4,200 covid deaths. So, instead of 19-20:1, it may be 8-9:1 more likely if unvaccinated than if vaccinated.

Them's good odds for getting vaccinated.

[MDlaxfan76]

So, when a Lacrosse coach gets sick, with covid, after being FULLY vaccinated.......it's become a disease of the unimmunized ?

CDC data for September 2021.

2,400 deaths among vaxed people who got breaktrhough infections.

49,800 among unvaxed people that would have been prevented with a vaccination.

Honest question RRR. Are you an a-hole or just dumb?

there's probably over 20k breakthru deaths.

Data? or are back to spit balling it?

google "washington state breakthrough hospitalizations"
document there in first link, i don't know how to copy easily on phone. spells out infections, the hospitalizations they have records for (~50%), and deaths. did this for 4 or 5 states.

washington has a relatively mean-ish vaxx rate and case rate in 2021. unless anyone believes there's something crazy about covid vaxx deaths in the state of washington (20-25% of nation total?), they've simply tracked it. or do other states, and you'll come up with mid teens + to the ~26k washington shows.

plenty of articles on the dysfunction of state reporting on this to cdc. trump's cdc has always been a mess. probably change once biden gets in there.

So, spitballing....
Personally, I have nothing against spitballing.

Close to 400K deaths since vaccine first became available, which if we assumed your 20k had been vaccinated prior to infection and death that'd mean 380K were among unvaccinated...so maybe 19X of those from breakthroughs if your estimate is right.

Of course, as vaccinations went up, the possibility of a breakthrough at all went up, bigger pool.

But even now, we get a roughly 20X unvaccinated to vaccinated, so presumably a heck of a lot less likely when vaccinations were much lower. On the other hand...Delta.

I went to the site, https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Docume ... Report.pdf

They say they expect to identify 70% more breakthrough infections with this methodology.

They say they identified 59,543 possible breakthrough cases; 543 died. In the same time period, about 4,200 other covid deaths. So, instead of 19-20:1, it may be 8-9:1 more likely if unvaccinated than if vaccinated.

Them's good odds for getting vaccinated.

[Typical Lax Dad]

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... ose-to-17m

this is impossible. i was told we did the worst of all countries throughout the globe.

No. Just worst than Sweden.

[ggait]

Them's good odds for getting vaccinated.

Yup.

In September 2021, 65% of USA folks had at least one shot, 56% fully vaxed.

So the roughly one-third unvaxed accounted for 95% of the deaths. And the two-thirds vaxed were 5%.

And RRR tells me I'm OB by calling it a disease of the unvaxed.



Simlarly, 10% of car passengers don't wear seat belts and those people account for 50% of auto fatalities.

Which means half of all fatalities were wearing seat belts. Guess that proves seat belts don't work!

[jhu72]

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... ose-to-17m

this is impossible. i was told we did the worst of all countries throughout the globe.

... I don't see their assumptions anywhere. They are laying all the problem off on Asia, and I am guessing China without making a case for why. This will make some people happy, but doesn't make it so.

[MDlaxfan76]

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... ose-to-17m

this is impossible. i was told we did the worst of all countries throughout the globe.

vaccine helps?

OFFICIAL
COVID-19 DEATHS PER 100,000 ESTIMATED
EXCESS DEATHS PER 100,000 ESTIMATE V OFFICIAL
India 459,191 33.0 1.3m to 7.2m 91 to 520 +900%
United States 748,518 224.8 870k to 1m 260 to 300 +20%
Russia 236,462 162.1 870k to 910k 600 to 620 +300%
Indonesia 143,457 51.9 300k to 1.2m 110 to 430 +500%
Pakistan 28,477 12.6 300k to 910k 130 to 400 +2,500%
China 4,636 0.3 −150k to 1.7m −11 to 120 +16,000%
Brazil 608,071 284.2 660k to 740k 310 to 350 +20%
Bangladesh 27,873 16.8 200k to 720k 120 to 430 +2,000%
Mexico 288,464 221.4 560k to 600k 430 to 460 +100%
Turkey 71,052 83.5 130k to 420k 150 to 500 +300%

Apparently the details and code of the model is available for those who want to tinker.

They estimate that excess deaths per 100k pop in US is 260-300, in China -11-120, meaning that China's lockdown may conceivably have actually reduced excess deaths. Only country to possibly have had that occur.

Russia looks like the worst on this initial list, 600-620, followed by Mexico at 430-460, and Brazil at 310-350.

When you expand the list, some other awful performers appear to be Peru, Ecuador, Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria, Serbia etc. and some neighbors.

The wealthy European countries have done significantly better than the US, some way better. But the Eastern European countries awful.

Regionally:

OFFICIAL COVID-19 DEATHS PER 100,000 ESTIMATED EXCESS DEATHS PER 100,000 ESTIMATE V OFFICIAL
Latin America and Caribbean 1,521,828 232.1 2.1m to 2.3m 320 to 350 +50%
Europe (incl. EU) 1,313,814 175.4 2.2m to 2.3m 290 to 300 +70%
North America 777,598 209.6 890k to 1m 240 to 280 +20%
European Union 800,862 179.1 880k to 930k 200 to 210 +20%
Asia 1,178,919 25.2 3.8m to 12m 81 to 260 +700%
Africa 218,561 15.9 840k to 2.4m 61 to 180 +800%
Oceania 2,856 6.6 −7.1k to 12k −16 to 29 −200%

[MDlaxfan76]

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... ose-to-17m

this is impossible. i was told we did the worst of all countries throughout the globe.

... I don't see their assumptions anywhere. They are laying all the problem off on Asia, and I am guessing China without making a case for why. This will make some people happy, but doesn't make it so.

See immediately above.

China actually looks much better than most in 'excess deaths', though very inaccurate reporting of Covid specifically.

Most of the big excess death rates were in Eastern Europe, Russia, Latin and South America.

[Peter Brown]

Them's good odds for getting vaccinated.

Yup.

In September 2021, 65% of USA folks had at least one shot, 56% fully vaxed.

So the roughly one-third unvaxed accounted for 95% of the deaths. And the two-thirds vaxed were 5%.

And RRR tells me I'm OB by calling it a disease of the unvaxed.



Simlarly, 10% of car passengers don't wear seat belts and those people account for 50% of auto fatalities.

Which means half of all fatalities were wearing seat belts. Guess that proves seat belts don't work!

Man, all those restrictions like outdoor masks and forty vaccine boosters, and Colorado still can’t manage Covid.

Notice you’ve been a bit quiet on your state. Don’t worry, we’re here to let others know.

https://kdvr.com/news/coronavirus/capac ... activated/

Sounds like Thunderdome, everyone for themselves. It’s almost like Covid doesn’t care about masks.

https://www.9news.com/article/news/heal ... 4345c6d464

Fifth highest rate in America. Shouldn’t Coloradans be railing their Governor Polis? Isn’t that how this works? So confused. I kind of recall some here getting on desantis for zero restrictions. We seem fine now, totally open and al ost at zero rate.

Consistency, I think is the issue.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Them's good odds for getting vaccinated.

Yup.

In September 2021, 65% of USA folks had at least one shot, 56% fully vaxed.

So the roughly one-third unvaxed accounted for 95% of the deaths. And the two-thirds vaxed were 5%.

And RRR tells me I'm OB by calling it a disease of the unvaxed.



Simlarly, 10% of car passengers don't wear seat belts and those people account for 50% of auto fatalities.

Which means half of all fatalities were wearing seat belts. Guess that proves seat belts don't work!

Man, all those restrictions like outdoor masks and forty vaccine boosters, and Colorado still can’t manage Covid.

Notice you’ve been a bit quiet on your state. Don’t worry, we’re here to let others know.

https://kdvr.com/news/coronavirus/capac ... activated/

Sounds like Thunderdome, everyone for themselves. It’s almost like Covid doesn’t care about masks.

https://www.9news.com/article/news/heal ... 4345c6d464

Fifth highest rate in America. Shouldn’t Coloradans be railing their Governor Polis? Isn’t that how it works? So confused.

Thanks….

"That means if you are unvaccinated a regular trip to the grocery store, a night out to dinner are more dangerous than they have ever been at any point during this pandemic for you," Polis said. "The delta variant is brutally effective at seeking out the unvaccinated like a laser-guided missile."

[youthathletics]

Them's good odds for getting vaccinated.

Yup.

In September 2021, 65% of USA folks had at least one shot, 56% fully vaxed.

So the roughly one-third unvaxed accounted for 95% of the deaths. And the two-thirds vaxed were 5%.

And RRR tells me I'm OB by calling it a disease of the unvaxed.



Simlarly, 10% of car passengers don't wear seat belts and those people account for 50% of auto fatalities.

Which means half of all fatalities were wearing seat belts. Guess that proves seat belts don't work!

Man, all those restrictions like outdoor masks and forty vaccine boosters, and Colorado still can’t manage Covid.

Notice you’ve been a bit quiet on your state. Don’t worry, we’re here to let others know.

https://kdvr.com/news/coronavirus/capac ... activated/

Sounds like Thunderdome, everyone for themselves. It’s almost like Covid doesn’t care about masks.

https://www.9news.com/article/news/heal ... 4345c6d464

Fifth highest rate in America. Shouldn’t Coloradans be railing their Governor Polis? Isn’t that how it works? So confused.

Thanks….

"That means if you are unvaccinated a regular trip to the grocery store, a night out to dinner are more dangerous than they have ever been at any point during this pandemic for you," Polis said. "The delta variant is brutally effective at seeking out the unvaccinated like a laser-guided missile."

Do you also sleep with the lights on?

[Peter Brown]

Them's good odds for getting vaccinated.

Yup.

In September 2021, 65% of USA folks had at least one shot, 56% fully vaxed.

So the roughly one-third unvaxed accounted for 95% of the deaths. And the two-thirds vaxed were 5%.

And RRR tells me I'm OB by calling it a disease of the unvaxed.



Simlarly, 10% of car passengers don't wear seat belts and those people account for 50% of auto fatalities.

Which means half of all fatalities were wearing seat belts. Guess that proves seat belts don't work!

Man, all those restrictions like outdoor masks and forty vaccine boosters, and Colorado still can’t manage Covid.

Notice you’ve been a bit quiet on your state. Don’t worry, we’re here to let others know.

https://kdvr.com/news/coronavirus/capac ... activated/

Sounds like Thunderdome, everyone for themselves. It’s almost like Covid doesn’t care about masks.

https://www.9news.com/article/news/heal ... 4345c6d464

Fifth highest rate in America. Shouldn’t Coloradans be railing their Governor Polis? Isn’t that how it works? So confused.

Thanks….

"That means if you are unvaccinated a regular trip to the grocery store, a night out to dinner are more dangerous than they have ever been at any point during this pandemic for you," Polis said. "The delta variant is brutally effective at seeking out the unvaccinated like a laser-guided missile."

Jared, and you, need to have a word with the journalists who keep promoting misinformation like this Bloomberg writer who says the vaccinated spread Covid equally as the unvaccinated. Get on that and report back.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ding-delta

[MDlaxfan76]

Deaths per million pop:

Florida 2,770

Colorado. 1,489

[a fan]

Man, all those restrictions like outdoor masks and forty vaccine boosters, and Colorado still can’t manage Covid.

Notice you’ve been a bit quiet on your state. Don’t worry, we’re here to let others know.

https://kdvr.com/news/coronavirus/capac ... activated/

Sounds like Thunderdome, everyone for themselves. It’s almost like Covid doesn’t care about masks.

https://www.9news.com/article/news/heal ... 4345c6d464

Fifth highest rate in America. Shouldn’t Coloradans be railing their Governor Polis? Isn’t that how this works? So confused. I kind of recall some here getting on desantis for zero restrictions. We seem fine now, totally open and al ost at zero rate.

Consistency, I think is the issue.

Pete, dude. As usual, ya got it backwards.

Bowing to political pressure, Polis removed all restrictions month ago, just like your team wants. (and for the record, I agree with the move)

We've got a whole mess of counties that are 30% vaccinated. So when mix massive numbers of unvaccinated Americans with close to zero restrictions? You get full hospitals. Just like YOU wanted.

So you don't get to complain. What you get to do is gloat: this is what you ASKED for, my man. And here we are, filling hospitals with our "freedom warriors".

[Typical Lax Dad]

Them's good odds for getting vaccinated.

Yup.

In September 2021, 65% of USA folks had at least one shot, 56% fully vaxed.

So the roughly one-third unvaxed accounted for 95% of the deaths. And the two-thirds vaxed were 5%.

And RRR tells me I'm OB by calling it a disease of the unvaxed.



Simlarly, 10% of car passengers don't wear seat belts and those people account for 50% of auto fatalities.

Which means half of all fatalities were wearing seat belts. Guess that proves seat belts don't work!

Man, all those restrictions like outdoor masks and forty vaccine boosters, and Colorado still can’t manage Covid.

Notice you’ve been a bit quiet on your state. Don’t worry, we’re here to let others know.

https://kdvr.com/news/coronavirus/capac ... activated/

Sounds like Thunderdome, everyone for themselves. It’s almost like Covid doesn’t care about masks.

https://www.9news.com/article/news/heal ... 4345c6d464

Fifth highest rate in America. Shouldn’t Coloradans be railing their Governor Polis? Isn’t that how it works? So confused.

Thanks….

"That means if you are unvaccinated a regular trip to the grocery store, a night out to dinner are more dangerous than they have ever been at any point during this pandemic for you," Polis said. "The delta variant is brutally effective at seeking out the unvaccinated like a laser-guided missile."

Do you also sleep with the lights on?

Maybe we should move to Sweden.