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Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:46 am

tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:54 am

a fan wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:06 pm

ardilla secreta wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:29 pm So why is being on Team American falling on deaf ears with police officers. I’m sure you’ve seen the stats where police officers are dying from Covid-19 at greater numbers than all other causes combined over the last two years but are only 65% +/- vaccinated. That seems ridiculous considering the type of hands on work they do. Also quite ironic coming from a group that likes to tell people what to do, but won’t heed sound medical advice. Hard to believe this hasn’t become a highly politicized event for Americas police forces.

My opinion? There's no way----no chance---this would have happened pre FoxNation, pre-social media. None. Zippo.

And you listed why. These people are the literal symbol of surrendering personal freedoms for the collective good of America, as well as their local communities. It's just about the dumbest thing in the world that of all people, police officers are "against" the vaccine. Pre 2000? These guys would be first in line for the shot, and calling anyone not getting the shot "soft".

Said it a million times-----the political scale is a circle. And these guys have gone so far to the right, that they landed on the left.

The far left is SUPPOSED to be the "I don't trust The Man, dude" crowd, with tinfoil hat explanations as to how "The Man is trying to control you, duuuuude".

Nope. 2021. Up is down. Down is up.

Maybe. Perhaps too obvious but seems to me that since Obama was in office cops have been beaten up by a lefty opposition and the msm. Overall what occupation has taken a similar hit? In what other occupation might you say, I can't win for losing and feel demoralized? Healthcare workers perhaps? Of course some of that animus toward police has been self-fulfilling (I don't need to mention the highly publicized instances).

Fox or social-media? They have played a part I suppose but it's simpler than that I think. Cops are pi$$ed and have a giant chip on their collective shoulders. They see an admin that includes defunders, sanctuary city advocates, open border policies, little support in general, etc., mandating their healthcare space, and rightly or wrongly, it's a chance to say FU.

All political issues. Little support? Aren’t they paid well?

What does money have to do with the discussion?

You get what you pay for.

Watch the reruns of Cops - “I went to junior college and didn’t know what I wanted to do. A friend suggested I became me a cop. I did a ride-along and here I am today!”

Make cops better with training and pay them accordingly.

Otherwise you’ll keep getting the 40k-quality.

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:14 am You get what you pay for.

Watch the reruns of Cops - “I went to junior college and didn’t know what I wanted to do. A friend suggested I became me a cop. I did a ride-along and here I am today!”

Make cops better with training and pay them accordingly.

Otherwise you’ll keep getting the 40k-quality.

Un huh.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:12 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 8:46 am

tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:54 am

a fan wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 8:06 pm

ardilla secreta wrote: ↑Thu Oct 21, 2021 7:29 pm So why is being on Team American falling on deaf ears with police officers. I’m sure you’ve seen the stats where police officers are dying from Covid-19 at greater numbers than all other causes combined over the last two years but are only 65% +/- vaccinated. That seems ridiculous considering the type of hands on work they do. Also quite ironic coming from a group that likes to tell people what to do, but won’t heed sound medical advice. Hard to believe this hasn’t become a highly politicized event for Americas police forces.

My opinion? There's no way----no chance---this would have happened pre FoxNation, pre-social media. None. Zippo.

And you listed why. These people are the literal symbol of surrendering personal freedoms for the collective good of America, as well as their local communities. It's just about the dumbest thing in the world that of all people, police officers are "against" the vaccine. Pre 2000? These guys would be first in line for the shot, and calling anyone not getting the shot "soft".

Said it a million times-----the political scale is a circle. And these guys have gone so far to the right, that they landed on the left.

The far left is SUPPOSED to be the "I don't trust The Man, dude" crowd, with tinfoil hat explanations as to how "The Man is trying to control you, duuuuude".

Nope. 2021. Up is down. Down is up.

Maybe. Perhaps too obvious but seems to me that since Obama was in office cops have been beaten up by a lefty opposition and the msm. Overall what occupation has taken a similar hit? In what other occupation might you say, I can't win for losing and feel demoralized? Healthcare workers perhaps? Of course some of that animus toward police has been self-fulfilling (I don't need to mention the highly publicized instances).

Fox or social-media? They have played a part I suppose but it's simpler than that I think. Cops are pi$$ed and have a giant chip on their collective shoulders. They see an admin that includes defunders, sanctuary city advocates, open border policies, little support in general, etc., mandating their healthcare space, and rightly or wrongly, it's a chance to say FU.

All political issues. Little support? Aren’t they paid well?

What does money have to do with the discussion?

Paid to do a job as a public servant. These are all political issues. Do your job or find another line of work. You can’t “not do your job” because you don’t like the politics. You will be fired.

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:14 am You get what you pay for.

Watch the reruns of Cops - “I went to junior college and didn’t know what I wanted to do. A friend suggested I became me a cop. I did a ride-along and here I am today!”

Make cops better with training and pay them accordingly.

Otherwise you’ll keep getting the 40k-quality.

I don’t need to watch cops. I just look at my friends that became policemen or went to the service.

Sure it's small sample size and anecdotal, but the 4-5 guys I know who are in the military are good peeps.
The few that got into law enforcement, not so much. And their stories at parties after taking the LEO jobs reinforced that.
But again, small sample.

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:54 am Sure it's small sample size and anecdotal, but the 4-5 guys I know who are in the military are good peeps.
The few that got into law enforcement, not so much. And their stories at parties after taking the LEO jobs reinforced that.
But again, small sample.

Who said they aren’t good peeps? Going to the military or trying to become a cop was common. Going to college wasn’t.

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:54 am Sure it's small sample size and anecdotal, but the 4-5 guys I know who are in the military are good peeps.
The few that got into law enforcement, not so much. And their stories at parties after taking the LEO jobs reinforced that.
But again, small sample.

All of the guys I know (small sample) who went into the military, whether my era or my son's, and those I've met through church, were solid-A citizens, but then I don't have nearly the exposure to lowlifes. I posted about my nephew by marriage who was indeed troubled going in, had injuries, got hooked on opioids, scrubbed out, got on heroin, in and out of rehab, died in overdose. I don't think he was bad kid, but definitely troubled, screwed up mom, family situation.

The guys I happened to know from HS and college who went into policing, whether as long time career or as an unusual path to law, were also good guys. The one who is still in the police in Philly is definitely a very good guy.

On the other hand, my limited interactions with police over the years, again small sample, have been more mixed. Sometimes straight up guys, sometimes borderline abusive, relishing 'power'.

Also had an experience with a guy who was a ringleader of a theft ring in our distribution company turnaround in the 90's, found out that he'd actually been a policeman for Baltimore County (not on his background check) who had been involved in a major vice thing, gave up his compadres, so didn't get charged himself, so nothing on background check...after he was fired, for cause, with the rest of the theft ring (caught them selling at half wholesale, but couldn't prove stolen goods...argh), he had the audacity to put us down as a reference when he applied to Baltimore City police. Chutzpah! My wife did something you're not supposed to do and let the Balt City police know that they should talk with Balt County police as he'd worked there (they didn't know) and to the Howard County police; she didn't say any more than that but it was clear to her they understood...they thanked us...

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:12 am I posted about my nephew by marriage who was indeed troubled going in, had injuries, got hooked on opioids, scrubbed out, got on heroin, in and out of rehab, died in overdose. I don't think he was bad kid, but definitely troubled, screwed up mom, family situation.

TLD does not think that our parents can impact who we become: viewtopic.php?f=66&t=381&p=301301&hilit=father#p301301 But maybe he can explain it ore clearly.

youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:20 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:12 am I posted about my nephew by marriage who was indeed troubled going in, had injuries, got hooked on opioids, scrubbed out, got on heroin, in and out of rehab, died in overdose. I don't think he was bad kid, but definitely troubled, screwed up mom, family situation.

TLD does not think that our parents can impact who we become: viewtopic.php?f=66&t=381&p=301301&hilit=father#p301301 But maybe he can explain it ore clearly.

huh?

You think people are gay because of screwed up parenting???

Maybe you're the one needs to 'splain himself Lucy...

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:29 am

youthathletics wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:20 am

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:12 am I posted about my nephew by marriage who was indeed troubled going in, had injuries, got hooked on opioids, scrubbed out, got on heroin, in and out of rehab, died in overdose. I don't think he was bad kid, but definitely troubled, screwed up mom, family situation.

TLD does not think that our parents can impact who we become: viewtopic.php?f=66&t=381&p=301301&hilit=father#p301301 But maybe he can explain it ore clearly.

huh?

You think people are gay because of screwed up parenting???

Maybe you're the one needs to 'splain himself Lucy...

Yep. That’s his belief. Those folks don’t pray enough.

The YA Method:

tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:54 am Maybe. Perhaps too obvious but seems to me that since Obama was in office cops have been beaten up by a lefty opposition and the msm. Overall what occupation has taken a similar hit? In what other occupation might you say, I can't win for losing and feel demoralized? Healthcare workers perhaps?

And since Trump has been office, about 20 million government employees----State, Federal, Local----- have had all time low morale. They're all bad, lazy, stupid, overpaid, underworked, and on and on. Remember? And who is sticking up for them the way folks stick up for the police? No one. So they take the abuse. Imagine showing up at work every day, having to deal with the public who hates you all day long-----and no one ever thanks you for making America a nice place to live.

Then there's teachers. No one *hits on anyone more than teachers. They're the cause of all problems related to children, apparently. And I think it's fair to say that out of all occupations (sans Covid hospital workers), they've had it the hardest during the pandemic. Or at least they're at the top with a few others.

tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:54 am Fox or social-media? They have played a part I suppose but it's simpler than that I think. Cops are pi$$ed and have a giant chip on their collective shoulders. They see an admin that includes defunders, sanctuary city advocates, open border policies, little support in general, etc., mandating their healthcare space, and rightly or wrongly, it's a chance to say FU.

Well, to be fair, not everyone sees these things ("open borders") the way you do...but of course you know that.

But yes, some are angry. And yes, can't win for losing....it's a very, very difficult job, and our country is armed to the teeth. Just like teachers have to deal daily with all of societies ills that directly harm children.....police have to deal with our 2nd amendment choices, which makes everything they do just a little bit harder.

But you have to enjoy the irony that the group that spends at least part of their day telling citizens what to do is offended when the tables are turned.

I don't agree that this anger is the main driver for refusing shots. Media first. Social media second. Anger a distant third. The media is telling them where they can direct their anger......refusing the shot. My opinion, of course.

I like that we agree that this would not have happened 20 or more years ago, though.

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 9:14 am You get what you pay for.

Watch the reruns of Cops - “I went to junior college and didn’t know what I wanted to do. A friend suggested I became me a cop. I did a ride-along and here I am today!”

Make cops better with training and pay them accordingly.

Otherwise you’ll keep getting the 40k-quality.

Yes. You get what you pay for. So if you want crappy roads and schools, do things like cut taxes on Amazon, and give out sweetheart State tax breaks to every corporation who comes begging for one. Then you won't have enough money to keep the lights on. And you have to find money somewhere...which means increase fees, or making parking and speeding ticket fines insanely high.

Sigh. My kingdom for pre-Reagan conservatives who understood how taxes work, and that you can't give favored corporations a free ride without slowly bleeding your State dry over a few decades.

I've said it many times. Put me in charge. I double the wages of both teachers and police officers. But the rub is...when they retire? Not one single penny in bennies. Let them manage their money like everyone else. Want to get paid? Great. Go to work. Want to retire? Great, your compensation is now over.

My method would be a net gain for every Department in the country.

a fan wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:56 am

tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:54 am Maybe. Perhaps too obvious but seems to me that since Obama was in office cops have been beaten up by a lefty opposition and the msm. Overall what occupation has taken a similar hit? In what other occupation might you say, I can't win for losing and feel demoralized? Healthcare workers perhaps?

And since Trump has been office, about 20 million government employees----State, Federal, Local----- have had all time low morale. They're all bad, lazy, stupid, overpaid, underworked, and on and on. Remember? And who is sticking up for them the way folks stick up for the police? No one. So they take the abuse. Imagine showing up at work every day, having to deal with the public who hates you all day long-----and no one ever thanks you for making America a nice place to live.

Then there's teachers. No one *hits on anyone more than teachers. They're the cause of all problems related to children, apparently. And I think it's fair to say that out of all occupations (sans Covid hospital workers), they've had it the hardest during the pandemic. Or at least they're at the top with a few others.

tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:54 am Fox or social-media? They have played a part I suppose but it's simpler than that I think. Cops are pi$$ed and have a giant chip on their collective shoulders. They see an admin that includes defunders, sanctuary city advocates, open border policies, little support in general, etc., mandating their healthcare space, and rightly or wrongly, it's a chance to say FU.

Well, to be fair, not everyone sees these things ("open borders") the way you do...but of course you know that.

But yes, some are angry. And yes, can't win for losing....it's a very, very difficult job, and our country is armed to the teeth. Just like teachers have to deal daily with all of societies ills that directly harm children.....police have to deal with our 2nd amendment choices, which makes everything they do just a little bit harder.

But you have to enjoy the irony that the group that spends at least part of their day telling citizens what to do is offended when the tables are turned.

I don't agree that this anger is the main driver for refusing shots. Media first. Social media second. Anger a distant third. The media is telling them where they can direct their anger......refusing the shot. My opinion, of course.

I like that we agree that this would not have happened 20 or more years ago, though.

Not ignoring you a fan... will come back to this

Heading out in mins to watch/cheer on daughter's highly-seeded soccer team in the NYS sectionals.

tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:45 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:56 am

tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:54 am Maybe. Perhaps too obvious but seems to me that since Obama was in office cops have been beaten up by a lefty opposition and the msm. Overall what occupation has taken a similar hit? In what other occupation might you say, I can't win for losing and feel demoralized? Healthcare workers perhaps?

And since Trump has been office, about 20 million government employees----State, Federal, Local----- have had all time low morale. They're all bad, lazy, stupid, overpaid, underworked, and on and on. Remember? And who is sticking up for them the way folks stick up for the police? No one. So they take the abuse. Imagine showing up at work every day, having to deal with the public who hates you all day long-----and no one ever thanks you for making America a nice place to live.

Then there's teachers. No one *hits on anyone more than teachers. They're the cause of all problems related to children, apparently. And I think it's fair to say that out of all occupations (sans Covid hospital workers), they've had it the hardest during the pandemic. Or at least they're at the top with a few others.

tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:54 am Fox or social-media? They have played a part I suppose but it's simpler than that I think. Cops are pi$$ed and have a giant chip on their collective shoulders. They see an admin that includes defunders, sanctuary city advocates, open border policies, little support in general, etc., mandating their healthcare space, and rightly or wrongly, it's a chance to say FU.

Well, to be fair, not everyone sees these things ("open borders") the way you do...but of course you know that.

But yes, some are angry. And yes, can't win for losing....it's a very, very difficult job, and our country is armed to the teeth. Just like teachers have to deal daily with all of societies ills that directly harm children.....police have to deal with our 2nd amendment choices, which makes everything they do just a little bit harder.

But you have to enjoy the irony that the group that spends at least part of their day telling citizens what to do is offended when the tables are turned.

I don't agree that this anger is the main driver for refusing shots. Media first. Social media second. Anger a distant third. The media is telling them where they can direct their anger......refusing the shot. My opinion, of course.

I like that we agree that this would not have happened 20 or more years ago, though.

Not ignoring you a fan... will come back to this

Heading out in mins to watch/cheer on daughter's highly-seeded soccer team in the NYS sectionals.

Good luck to your daughter and her team!
Enjoy, beautiful day down her in MD, hope the weather is good up your way.

tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:45 pm

Heading out in mins to watch/cheer on daughter's highly-seeded soccer team in the NYS sectionals.

No need to respond !

And best of luck to your daughter!!! That's great.

tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:45 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:56 am

tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:54 am Maybe. Perhaps too obvious but seems to me that since Obama was in office cops have been beaten up by a lefty opposition and the msm. Overall what occupation has taken a similar hit? In what other occupation might you say, I can't win for losing and feel demoralized? Healthcare workers perhaps?

And since Trump has been office, about 20 million government employees----State, Federal, Local----- have had all time low morale. They're all bad, lazy, stupid, overpaid, underworked, and on and on. Remember? And who is sticking up for them the way folks stick up for the police? No one. So they take the abuse. Imagine showing up at work every day, having to deal with the public who hates you all day long-----and no one ever thanks you for making America a nice place to live.

Then there's teachers. No one *hits on anyone more than teachers. They're the cause of all problems related to children, apparently. And I think it's fair to say that out of all occupations (sans Covid hospital workers), they've had it the hardest during the pandemic. Or at least they're at the top with a few others.

tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:54 am Fox or social-media? They have played a part I suppose but it's simpler than that I think. Cops are pi$$ed and have a giant chip on their collective shoulders. They see an admin that includes defunders, sanctuary city advocates, open border policies, little support in general, etc., mandating their healthcare space, and rightly or wrongly, it's a chance to say FU.

Well, to be fair, not everyone sees these things ("open borders") the way you do...but of course you know that.

But yes, some are angry. And yes, can't win for losing....it's a very, very difficult job, and our country is armed to the teeth. Just like teachers have to deal daily with all of societies ills that directly harm children.....police have to deal with our 2nd amendment choices, which makes everything they do just a little bit harder.

But you have to enjoy the irony that the group that spends at least part of their day telling citizens what to do is offended when the tables are turned.

I don't agree that this anger is the main driver for refusing shots. Media first. Social media second. Anger a distant third. The media is telling them where they can direct their anger......refusing the shot. My opinion, of course.

I like that we agree that this would not have happened 20 or more years ago, though.

Not ignoring you a fan... will come back to this

Heading out in mins to watch/cheer on daughter's highly-seeded soccer team in the NYS sectionals.

Good luck. Play simple. Keep the ball.

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:47 pm

tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:45 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:56 am

tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:54 am Maybe. Perhaps too obvious but seems to me that since Obama was in office cops have been beaten up by a lefty opposition and the msm. Overall what occupation has taken a similar hit? In what other occupation might you say, I can't win for losing and feel demoralized? Healthcare workers perhaps?

And since Trump has been office, about 20 million government employees----State, Federal, Local----- have had all time low morale. They're all bad, lazy, stupid, overpaid, underworked, and on and on. Remember? And who is sticking up for them the way folks stick up for the police? No one. So they take the abuse. Imagine showing up at work every day, having to deal with the public who hates you all day long-----and no one ever thanks you for making America a nice place to live.

Then there's teachers. No one *hits on anyone more than teachers. They're the cause of all problems related to children, apparently. And I think it's fair to say that out of all occupations (sans Covid hospital workers), they've had it the hardest during the pandemic. Or at least they're at the top with a few others.

tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:54 am Fox or social-media? They have played a part I suppose but it's simpler than that I think. Cops are pi$$ed and have a giant chip on their collective shoulders. They see an admin that includes defunders, sanctuary city advocates, open border policies, little support in general, etc., mandating their healthcare space, and rightly or wrongly, it's a chance to say FU.

Well, to be fair, not everyone sees these things ("open borders") the way you do...but of course you know that.

But yes, some are angry. And yes, can't win for losing....it's a very, very difficult job, and our country is armed to the teeth. Just like teachers have to deal daily with all of societies ills that directly harm children.....police have to deal with our 2nd amendment choices, which makes everything they do just a little bit harder.

But you have to enjoy the irony that the group that spends at least part of their day telling citizens what to do is offended when the tables are turned.

I don't agree that this anger is the main driver for refusing shots. Media first. Social media second. Anger a distant third. The media is telling them where they can direct their anger......refusing the shot. My opinion, of course.

I like that we agree that this would not have happened 20 or more years ago, though.

Not ignoring you a fan... will come back to this

Heading out in mins to watch/cheer on daughter's highly-seeded soccer team in the NYS sectionals.

Good luck to your daughter and her team!
Enjoy, beautiful day down her in MD, hope the weather is good up your way.

Thanks... Very nice for Oct in the ADKs. Go Eagles!

tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:01 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:47 pm

tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:45 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 11:56 am

tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:54 am Maybe. Perhaps too obvious but seems to me that since Obama was in office cops have been beaten up by a lefty opposition and the msm. Overall what occupation has taken a similar hit? In what other occupation might you say, I can't win for losing and feel demoralized? Healthcare workers perhaps?

And since Trump has been office, about 20 million government employees----State, Federal, Local----- have had all time low morale. They're all bad, lazy, stupid, overpaid, underworked, and on and on. Remember? And who is sticking up for them the way folks stick up for the police? No one. So they take the abuse. Imagine showing up at work every day, having to deal with the public who hates you all day long-----and no one ever thanks you for making America a nice place to live.

Then there's teachers. No one *hits on anyone more than teachers. They're the cause of all problems related to children, apparently. And I think it's fair to say that out of all occupations (sans Covid hospital workers), they've had it the hardest during the pandemic. Or at least they're at the top with a few others.

tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:54 am Fox or social-media? They have played a part I suppose but it's simpler than that I think. Cops are pi$$ed and have a giant chip on their collective shoulders. They see an admin that includes defunders, sanctuary city advocates, open border policies, little support in general, etc., mandating their healthcare space, and rightly or wrongly, it's a chance to say FU.

Well, to be fair, not everyone sees these things ("open borders") the way you do...but of course you know that.

But yes, some are angry. And yes, can't win for losing....it's a very, very difficult job, and our country is armed to the teeth. Just like teachers have to deal daily with all of societies ills that directly harm children.....police have to deal with our 2nd amendment choices, which makes everything they do just a little bit harder.

But you have to enjoy the irony that the group that spends at least part of their day telling citizens what to do is offended when the tables are turned.

I don't agree that this anger is the main driver for refusing shots. Media first. Social media second. Anger a distant third. The media is telling them where they can direct their anger......refusing the shot. My opinion, of course.

I like that we agree that this would not have happened 20 or more years ago, though.

Not ignoring you a fan... will come back to this

Heading out in mins to watch/cheer on daughter's highly-seeded soccer team in the NYS sectionals.

Good luck to your daughter and her team!
Enjoy, beautiful day down her in MD, hope the weather is good up your way.

Thanks... Very nice for Oct in the ADKs. Go Eagles!

Good luck tech!!