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JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:25 am

RedFromMI wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:22 am The true cause of restrictions still being imposed anywhere is the lack of herd immunity. That is CAUSED principally by the lack of vaccinated individuals.

That is the point. Getting enough vaccinated makes the pandemic at least turn into an endemic disease.

You have RW media types like Tucker Carlson (who is vaccinated) pushing the "freedom of choice" of NOT getting vaccinated as a means of damaging the pandemic response to allow the RW to blame Biden and the current administration as far as I can tell...

That makes the effort difficult at best.

As far as you can tell? That's your take?

Joe

As to why the RW media pushes the "freedom of choice issue." There is no medical or ethical reason to oppose vaccination for the vast majority of people. But then again that is the raison d'etre for most of the RW media (opposing Ds and making Rs mad so they vote).

tech37 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:55 am Incomprehensible. Millions dead and your position is who cares where it came from? "now what?"

How about... if we understand how this happened, right down to what occurred on a molecular level, this can be avoided in the future. You actually don't understand this? Unfortunately (so far) without China's cooperation we can't be certain. With total transparency it can be shown that the pandemic was caused by human manipulation in the lab or not. If so, GOF or any similar research can then be banned worldwide and the next worse pandemic may not occur.

I think you misunderstood my question. If this originated anywhere in the EU, for example? What you're saying above makes perfect sense. We'd find what happened, and take measures to stop it from happening again. Nice and easy. Well...relatively.

But this originated in China, right? Bat, lab, whatever.

If (if) we can figure out where it come from, and we want to stop it from happening again.....


How do you propose that we get China to do what we want them to do? They haven't done as the global community has asked for.....decades, right?

So what's your plan?

a fan wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:56 am

tech37 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 7:55 am Incomprehensible. Millions dead and your position is who cares where it came from? "now what?"

How about... if we understand how this happened, right down to what occurred on a molecular level, this can be avoided in the future. You actually don't understand this? Unfortunately (so far) without China's cooperation we can't be certain. With total transparency it can be shown that the pandemic was caused by human manipulation in the lab or not. If so, GOF or any similar research can then be banned worldwide and the next worse pandemic may not occur.

I think you misunderstood my question. If this originated anywhere in the EU, for example? What you're saying above makes perfect sense. We'd find what happened, and take measures to stop it from happening again. Nice and easy. Well...relatively.

But this originated in China, right? Bat, lab, whatever.

If (if) we can figure out where it come from, and we want to stop it from happening again.....


How do you propose that we get China to do what we want them to do? They haven't done as the global community has asked for.....decades, right?

So what's your plan?

Boycott or fight a war?

this is the kind of rollicking debate that can break out on a moment's notice on the cov2 thread!! here, here!

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:59 am Thought I overheard in background this am that there’s a new variant that he caught. Dammit if true.

doubtful. delta's carrying well over 99% of the load right now in the u.s..

but the mutations on delta, which are common, have one that has been getting some notice just recently after making what looks like a real run in the u.k. check out the rise in % sequenced cases in the chart from outbreak.info :
https://www.newsweek.com/delta-ay-varia ... uk-1639842

and the u.k. is now doing some real spiking on cases. they famously "opened up" a bit ago, but they also have a great deal more vaxxed than we in the u.s. do. and maybe semi-soon a greater # of deaths per capita per day. also international travel loosens up i think in a couple weeks here at home.

the sciencey guesses for now around "delta plus" put any greater transmissibility or vaxx escapism at ~+10% vs delta vs the big jumps alpha and delta had. though the plus working up the charts in the u.k., if it continues apace, might come up with some new estimates once they have more data.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:17 pm this is the kind of rollicking debate that can break out on a moment's notice on the cov2 thread!! here, here!

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:59 am Thought I overheard in background this am that there’s a new variant that he caught. Dammit if true.

doubtful. delta's carrying well over 99% of the load right now in the u.s..

but the mutations on delta, which are common, have one that has been getting some notice just recently after making what looks like a real run in the u.k. check out the rise in % sequenced cases in the chart from outbreak.info :
https://www.newsweek.com/delta-ay-varia ... uk-1639842

and the u.k. is now doing some real spiking on cases. they famously "opened up" a bit ago, but they also have a great deal more vaxxed than we in the u.s. do. and maybe semi-soon a greater # of deaths per capita per day. also international travel loosens up i think in a couple weeks here at home.

the sciencey guesses for now around "delta plus" put any greater transmissibility or vaxx escapism at ~+10% vs delta vs the big jumps alpha and delta had. though the plus working up the charts in the u.k., if it continues apace, might come up with some new estimates once they have more data.

Maybe its just the british getting theirs for being aholes for centuries????

JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:09 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:37 am

ardilla secreta wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:35 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 8:42 pm https://twitter.com/sinow/status/145024 ... 14976?s=21

Bye Nick. Maybe Marin Catholic needs a volunteer.

Rolovich and all other unvaccinated Washington State assistants have been terminated for cause. Defensive coordinator and linebackers coach Jake Dickert is reportedly expected take over as interim head coach, per ESPN's Kyle Bonagura.

Amazing that pinheads like Rolovich would give up a head coaching job at a PAC 12 school just to avoid getting a vaccine. Childish. Good to see the state of Washington take this seriously. Kentfield doesn’t need Nick.

There’s no “I” in team for Nick.

Coach Rolovich was the highest-paid state employee in all of Washington … $3 million.

https://www.upi.com/amp/Sports_News/202 ... 634611352/

So, why did he just throw all of that away?

Not because he’s a principled man, because a principled man is never a selfish pr*ck.

Not because he’s a religious man, because a truly religious man is never a selfish pr*ck.

Because he’s a right-wing extremist? Possible, because most right-wing extremists are selfish pr*cks.

Because he’s some type of cultist? That’s possible, too.

One thing he definitely is not … a team player. And THAT deficiency should prevent him from ever getting another head coaching job.

DocBarrister

Simple question, do you think he gives a flying f**ck what you think? I think he's going to bed able to sleep just fine tonight. The guy knew he was going to lose his damn job, your acting disingenuous if you think otherwise.

Joe

No, I don’t think he cares because he’s a selfish pr*ck.

DocBarrister

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:25 pm

JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:09 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:37 am

ardilla secreta wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:35 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 8:42 pm https://twitter.com/sinow/status/145024 ... 14976?s=21

Bye Nick. Maybe Marin Catholic needs a volunteer.

Rolovich and all other unvaccinated Washington State assistants have been terminated for cause. Defensive coordinator and linebackers coach Jake Dickert is reportedly expected take over as interim head coach, per ESPN's Kyle Bonagura.

Amazing that pinheads like Rolovich would give up a head coaching job at a PAC 12 school just to avoid getting a vaccine. Childish. Good to see the state of Washington take this seriously. Kentfield doesn’t need Nick.

There’s no “I” in team for Nick.

Coach Rolovich was the highest-paid state employee in all of Washington … $3 million.

https://www.upi.com/amp/Sports_News/202 ... 634611352/

So, why did he just throw all of that away?

Not because he’s a principled man, because a principled man is never a selfish pr*ck.

Not because he’s a religious man, because a truly religious man is never a selfish pr*ck.

Because he’s a right-wing extremist? Possible, because most right-wing extremists are selfish pr*cks.

Because he’s some type of cultist? That’s possible, too.

One thing he definitely is not … a team player. And THAT deficiency should prevent him from ever getting another head coaching job.

DocBarrister

Simple question, do you think he gives a flying f**ck what you think? I think he's going to bed able to sleep just fine tonight. The guy knew he was going to lose his damn job, your acting disingenuous if you think otherwise.

Joe

No, I don’t think he cares because he’s a selfish pr*ck.

DocBarrister

For so much outcry about name calling, trolling and hurtful words around here, I wonder if we'll see any action on this post?

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 11:17 pm

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 8:47 pm What is "imbecillic' is your refusal to rule out any chance of lab-leak, especially with how China has refused to cooperate fully to uncover the true origin of the virus. And the fact that the WHO continues to investigate China's role should put to rest any idea that the lab-leak hypothesis does not continue to be taken seriously.

I have to ask: what difference does it make where it came from? I'm at a loss as to why this is a big deal one way or another. \

It came from a Chinese lab: now what?

It came from a bat: now what?

I don't get it....

Automatically categorizing everything as racist is a way to bury your head in the sand. There are small minded people who will only fixate on that type of thing, no matter what.

But there is something significant to knowing which countries can and can't be trusted, and which countries regularly act carelessly or maliciously. Some countries seem to be causing the US (and the world) lots of problems these days.

It's not just potentially releasing the Coronovirus. It's also things like internet crime, environmental harm, resource hoarding, foreign exchange control, trade tariff wars...the list goes on and on.

And it paints a picture of governments that needs to be handled as adversaries, not allies.

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:40 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:25 pm

JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:09 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:37 am

ardilla secreta wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:35 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 8:42 pm https://twitter.com/sinow/status/145024 ... 14976?s=21

Bye Nick. Maybe Marin Catholic needs a volunteer.

Rolovich and all other unvaccinated Washington State assistants have been terminated for cause. Defensive coordinator and linebackers coach Jake Dickert is reportedly expected take over as interim head coach, per ESPN's Kyle Bonagura.

Amazing that pinheads like Rolovich would give up a head coaching job at a PAC 12 school just to avoid getting a vaccine. Childish. Good to see the state of Washington take this seriously. Kentfield doesn’t need Nick.

There’s no “I” in team for Nick.

Coach Rolovich was the highest-paid state employee in all of Washington … $3 million.

https://www.upi.com/amp/Sports_News/202 ... 634611352/

So, why did he just throw all of that away?

Not because he’s a principled man, because a principled man is never a selfish pr*ck.

Not because he’s a religious man, because a truly religious man is never a selfish pr*ck.

Because he’s a right-wing extremist? Possible, because most right-wing extremists are selfish pr*cks.

Because he’s some type of cultist? That’s possible, too.

One thing he definitely is not … a team player. And THAT deficiency should prevent him from ever getting another head coaching job.

DocBarrister

Simple question, do you think he gives a flying f**ck what you think? I think he's going to bed able to sleep just fine tonight. The guy knew he was going to lose his damn job, your acting disingenuous if you think otherwise.

Joe

No, I don’t think he cares because he’s a selfish pr*ck.

DocBarrister

For so much outcry about name calling, trolling and hurtful words around here, I wonder if we'll see any action on this post?

Dude he’s talking about the wash st football coach. What I’m the world are you smoking? And can I get some?

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:53 pm Automatically categorizing everything as racist is a way to bury your head in the sand. There are small minded people who will only fixate on that type of thing, no matter what.

I'm assuming this isn't directed at me, but......I didn't say a word about race.

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:53 pm But there is something significant to knowing which countries can and can't be trusted, and which countries regularly act carelessly or maliciously. Some countries seem to be causing the US (and the world) lots of problems these days.

Well, we already know that about China. The way they are behaving is the same way they've been behaving for decades now.

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:53 pm It's not just potentially releasing the Coronovirus. It's also things like internet crime, environmental harm, resource hoarding, foreign exchange control, trade tariff wars...the list goes on and on.

And it paints a picture of governments that needs to be handled as adversaries, not allies.

Well, not to put too fine of a point on it....but I told you chaps before Trump's (and now Biden's) fake trade war with China: what you are asking for is to start a Cold War.

Personally? I think we should have started one with Russia the minute they were caught messing with our elections. Instead? We did nothing.

And I told the board that China wouldn't change a thing in Trump's fake trade war. Now here we are, 4 years later, and not only has China not changed their behaviors.....our Trade Deficit with China is at record levels. He made things worse, not better. You know all those container ships parked along our Pacific Coast? Where do you think all of they came from?

So I ask you the same question I asked Tech: Say we find out the virus came from a lab. What's the plan? Our choices are:

1. ignore this behavior, as we have for 30 years+

2. start a Cold War with China, and kick out all Chinese visa holders, including students

3. spend some money and infrastructure so that we stop buying goods from China, and make these goods ourselves and/or buy from reliable allies.

4. continue our fake trade war that has done NOTHING to change their behavior. Essentially, #1, except Americans pay more for some Chinese goods. Not helpful.


My money is #1, because that's what the 1%ers want.

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:53 pm

a fan wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 11:17 pm

tech37 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 8:47 pm What is "imbecillic' is your refusal to rule out any chance of lab-leak, especially with how China has refused to cooperate fully to uncover the true origin of the virus. And the fact that the WHO continues to investigate China's role should put to rest any idea that the lab-leak hypothesis does not continue to be taken seriously.

I have to ask: what difference does it make where it came from? I'm at a loss as to why this is a big deal one way or another. \

It came from a Chinese lab: now what?

It came from a bat: now what?

I don't get it....

Automatically categorizing everything as racist is a way to bury your head in the sand. There are small minded people who will only fixate on that type of thing, no matter what.

But there is something significant to knowing which countries can and can't be trusted, and which countries regularly act carelessly or maliciously. Some countries seem to be causing the US (and the world) lots of problems these days.

It's not just potentially releasing the Coronovirus. It's also things like internet crime, environmental harm, resource hoarding, foreign exchange control, trade tariff wars...the list goes on and on.

And it paints a picture of governments that needs to be handled as adversaries, not allies.

Don't we already know that we can't "trust" China on these various things?
Is there some mystery about that?
News to me, and news I suspect to most of us on here.

But you gotta look at what's in their best interest, as they see it and how they see their place in the world, to better predict what actions to expect and what not, and indeed how to influence them in ways that serve our interests as well.

For instance, it would be batsh-t crazy, forgive the pun, to "release" a deadly virus on one's own population, to what, let it spread worldwide from there?

Nah, not buying that.

They act in their own self interest, and they're not batsh-t crazy.

Plenty to be concerned about from China, including poor safety controls in labs and with wild animals caught for all sorts of purposes, but purposefully infecting the world with a deadly virus ain't on the menu.

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:40 pm

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:25 pm

JoeMauer89 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 9:09 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:37 am

ardilla secreta wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:35 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 8:42 pm https://twitter.com/sinow/status/145024 ... 14976?s=21

Bye Nick. Maybe Marin Catholic needs a volunteer.

Rolovich and all other unvaccinated Washington State assistants have been terminated for cause. Defensive coordinator and linebackers coach Jake Dickert is reportedly expected take over as interim head coach, per ESPN's Kyle Bonagura.

Amazing that pinheads like Rolovich would give up a head coaching job at a PAC 12 school just to avoid getting a vaccine. Childish. Good to see the state of Washington take this seriously. Kentfield doesn’t need Nick.

There’s no “I” in team for Nick.

Coach Rolovich was the highest-paid state employee in all of Washington … $3 million.

https://www.upi.com/amp/Sports_News/202 ... 634611352/

So, why did he just throw all of that away?

Not because he’s a principled man, because a principled man is never a selfish pr*ck.

Not because he’s a religious man, because a truly religious man is never a selfish pr*ck.

Because he’s a right-wing extremist? Possible, because most right-wing extremists are selfish pr*cks.

Because he’s some type of cultist? That’s possible, too.

One thing he definitely is not … a team player. And THAT deficiency should prevent him from ever getting another head coaching job.

DocBarrister

Simple question, do you think he gives a flying f**ck what you think? I think he's going to bed able to sleep just fine tonight. The guy knew he was going to lose his damn job, your acting disingenuous if you think otherwise.

Joe

No, I don’t think he cares because he’s a selfish pr*ck.

DocBarrister

For so much outcry about name calling, trolling and hurtful words around here, I wonder if we'll see any action on this post?

Huh?
Was a poster calling another a 'hurtful' name?
There's been some of that on these threads today, but no penalties imposed.

or "trolling"?

Whose feelings are being hurt? Who is being trolled?

Unless someone on here is friend, family etc of this coach who decided to not get vaccinated, who is being hurt?

What’s a troll?

A troll is Internet slang for a person who intentionally tries to instigate conflict, hostility, or arguments in an online social community. ... Trolls often use inflammatory messages to provoke emotional responses out of people, disrupting otherwise civil discussion.

“You’re racist. He’s a prick. Right wingers are pricks.”

Sounds awfully familiar to the crap someone else around here spews. The guy who’s always in fanlax jail.

But Doc agrees with Matnum’s political views so he gets a pass.

Same sh it, different day.

gotta say, didn't love the trolling idea on the politics threads.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:13 pm gotta say, didn't love the trolling idea on the politics threads.

I want to know the ol’ ball coach’s religious exemption request.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:16 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:13 pm gotta say, didn't love the trolling idea on the politics threads.

I want to know the ol’ ball coach’s religious exemption request.

stop trolling me or i'll report you and you'll be suspended.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:16 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:13 pm gotta say, didn't love the trolling idea on the politics threads.

I want to know the ol’ ball coach’s religious exemption request.

My understanding was that he never gave an specific reason and that wasn’t accepted. Right?

ardilla secreta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:32 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:16 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:13 pm gotta say, didn't love the trolling idea on the politics threads.

I want to know the ol’ ball coach’s religious exemption request.

My understanding was that he never gave an specific reason and that wasn’t accepted. Right?

I heard he was seeking a religious exemption. I want to know what it was.

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 4:53 pm What’s a troll?

A troll is Internet slang for a person who intentionally tries to instigate conflict, hostility, or arguments in an online social community. ... Trolls often use inflammatory messages to provoke emotional responses out of people, disrupting otherwise civil discussion.

“You’re racist. He’s a prick. Right wingers are pricks.”

Sounds awfully familiar to the crap someone else around here spews. The guy who’s always in fanlax jail.

But Doc agrees with Matnum’s political views so he gets a pass.

Same sh it, different day.

There’s elements by your definition of trolling in this post.

Or perhaps you’re having a dialectic issue reading things into it that aren’t there.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:13 pm

ardilla secreta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:32 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:16 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:13 pm gotta say, didn't love the trolling idea on the politics threads.

I want to know the ol’ ball coach’s religious exemption request.

My understanding was that he never gave an specific reason and that wasn’t accepted. Right?

I heard he was seeking a religious exemption. I want to know what it was.

It’s been reported that he did claim a religious exemption. That’s not an opinion so others need to get more informed before opining if they want to cry victim and supposedly being trolled. There has to be an honest and open attempt in order for trolling to exist.