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MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:48 amBoth of those schools, at least relatively speaking, have faculty who are quite aware of the importance of their curricula, both formal and informal, in the formation of understanding.

But they definitely can do better.
My son is a 2012 Gilman alum and was aware of Juneteenth as well as the Tulsa massacre from his US history courses (not mine!), but says he was nevertheless not really aware of the degree of persistent racism issues of today. The kinds of conversations going on now are really new.

And important.

FWIW -- both Juneteenth & the Tulsa bombing were covered in the curriculum for Cultural Awareness in the Navy Workshops, circa 1978.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:16 pm

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:48 amBoth of those schools, at least relatively speaking, have faculty who are quite aware of the importance of their curricula, both formal and informal, in the formation of understanding.

But they definitely can do better.
My son is a 2012 Gilman alum and was aware of Juneteenth as well as the Tulsa massacre from his US history courses (not mine!), but says he was nevertheless not really aware of the degree of persistent racism issues of today. The kinds of conversations going on now are really new.

And important.

FWIW -- both Juneteenth & the Tulsa bombing were covered in the curriculum for Cultural Awareness in the Navy Workshops, circa 1978.

Good to hear.

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:45 pm

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:42 pm



Proof that Democrats are praying their party eats them last?

Why did you tear down a statue of Ulysses Grant? What'd he do? I thought he was a 'winner'? What happened to yesterday's excuse that only losers got torn down?

LOL! PB is accusing me of tearing down the Grant statue. Hahaha!

In case you didn't know it, I've never been to San Francisco or at any point west of Kansas City. For all I know it was you or mebbe a fellow 3 percenters who did so.

Of course it was Dems. Your squad will kneel at the DNC Convention in August. Very divisive woke signaling birdbrains. Mob oriented. Sad.

Watching the Tulsa rally tonight. Best show on television. This guy will win in a landslide. The positive energy is off the charts.

The statue of Confederate Gen Albert Pike in DC was toppled & burned last night.

It's a disgrace that so many toll roads across the USA were named after such an obscure Confederate General.

...must have been that secret Free Mason thing.

Peter Brown wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:47 pm



Of course it was Dems. Your squad will kneel at the DNC Convention in August. Very divisive woke signaling birdbrains. Mob oriented. Sad.

Watching the Tulsa rally tonight. Best show on television. This guy will win in a landslide. The positive energy is off the charts.

Dems hid Saddam's WMD so that they could escape detection, too. Right?

LOL

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 6:21 pm The statue of Confederate Gen Albert Pike in DC was toppled & burned last night.

It's a disgrace that so many toll roads across the USA were named after such an obscure Confederate General.

...must have been that secret Free Mason thing.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:08 pm Policy questions? Please repeat those.

What movement and who do you define as the movement. All people who don’t support the behavior, choices and activities of this president? Black people tired of unnecessarily being murdered by white people with authority that are never held accountable?

The movement is fringe and if you’re suggesting that it’s all dissenters of this president or the “blue wall of silence” then you aren’t serious and what are YOU doing on this forum? Fringe doesn’t deserve the keys types by those that point at this and that birdie to deflect from
REAL problems that CITIZENS of the USA are having.

And the idea that everybody and every group hits it’s target means that all of Wall Street isn’t serious because they have never since Buttonwood hit and stood at equilibrium pricing. Even by definition the word movement itself means looking to change something. Doesn’t mean it is the Platonic essence of the idea. That’s ludicrous.

i think that's the problem- the movement- whatever that is- is amorphous. part of the battle cry is, if youre not doing anything, youre at fault (see the JB quote). if im going to blamed for society's ills centuries ago, i need to know what im being blamed for.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:12 pm

ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:34 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:15 pm

ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:12 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:54 pm

ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:41 pm what's the difference. he's sorry. and did some other goods, maybe.

(also do we think MeToo wouldve considered hemings to have properly consented)

Must be some reason you felt compelled to add it in. What were you thinking the value of including it is? In your words.

he's a bad guy. no?

a white male, privileged, insider, slaveowner. wrote the rules and then didnt follow them.

I don’t think I can pretend to know what he is, not should anyone else, beyond the evidence we have in hand.

that's fair. though some here at FL have told me what i think or what my feelings are on a topic. pure synthesis.

can you pretend that... grant didnt have a slave? you werent there. neither was i.

so TJ didnt have slaves, fine. didnt say black people smell, are mentally inferior, fine. i wasnt there either.

what if you went over to CHAZ in seattle. handed someone a 20. they would either say: (a) the cause tells me this is a symbol of oppression, im tearing it up; or (b) i really need the money and this is convenient. or (c), andrew jackson had slaves i thought he was a D

thank you for discussing.

Where is your policy question here?

the question is why do we give a pass to a racist slaveholder. the answer given was- he built the union that ended up outlawing slavery. forget all the other stuff. he said sorry.

and so the logical conclusion is- it's ok when it's my guy.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:14 pm

ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:25 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:13 pm Really think folks should check out the Chappelle bit. It’s raw and in front of a limited crowd at some outdoor venue who clearly were expecting more jokes.

One good point was an anecdote of a black former military service member turned cop who reported excessive force by his partner, was reprimanded himself led the force and shot four white cops. When they showed up it was “with like 400 of cops and they Swiss cheesed his a**.“ Why, because he killed some of them but then they don’t understand why they’re getting the reaction from black people from this stuff that’s going on, citing a few references. The hypocrisy he pointed out is stark.

why should i. he uses the N word. it's offensive. we should cancel him.

... or is it just art, and therefore exempt.

Is this a serious policy question?

yes. the question is- is the word inherently offensive. if yes, he shouldnt use it. no one should, ever. full stop. if no, why the lack of outrage.

or is it exempt as art. he's just expressing himself, and that's protected. if so, that's convenient. when it's my guy, it's art. when it's your guy, it's offensive.

ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:35 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:08 pm Policy questions? Please repeat those.

What movement and who do you define as the movement. All people who don’t support the behavior, choices and activities of this president? Black people tired of unnecessarily being murdered by white people with authority that are never held accountable?

The movement is fringe and if you’re suggesting that it’s all dissenters of this president or the “blue wall of silence” then you aren’t serious and what are YOU doing on this forum? Fringe doesn’t deserve the keys types by those that point at this and that birdie to deflect from
REAL problems that CITIZENS of the USA are having.

And the idea that everybody and every group hits it’s target means that all of Wall Street isn’t serious because they have never since Buttonwood hit and stood at equilibrium pricing. Even by definition the word movement itself means looking to change something. Doesn’t mean it is the Platonic essence of the idea. That’s ludicrous.

i think that's the problem- the movement- whatever that is- is amorphous. part of the battle cry is, if youre not doing anything, youre at fault (see the JB quote). if im going to blamed for society's ills centuries ago, i need to know what im being blamed for.

Who has blamed “you”? You are paranoid.

Since Francis Scott Key went down, I figure it's as good a time as any to stop with the national anthem before ball games. Can stop with that whole charade. Should make a whole lot of people happy I would guess (I wouldn't be upset with it either), plus we don't have to watch the spectacle it's become.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKNhFjn_GiQ

ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:38 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:14 pm

ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:25 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:13 pm Really think folks should check out the Chappelle bit. It’s raw and in front of a limited crowd at some outdoor venue who clearly were expecting more jokes.

One good point was an anecdote of a black former military service member turned cop who reported excessive force by his partner, was reprimanded himself led the force and shot four white cops. When they showed up it was “with like 400 of cops and they Swiss cheesed his a**.“ Why, because he killed some of them but then they don’t understand why they’re getting the reaction from black people from this stuff that’s going on, citing a few references. The hypocrisy he pointed out is stark.

why should i. he uses the N word. it's offensive. we should cancel him.

... or is it just art, and therefore exempt.

Is this a serious policy question?

yes. the question is- is the word inherently offensive. if yes, he shouldnt use it. no one should, ever. full stop. if no, why the lack of outrage.

or is it exempt as art. he's just expressing himself, and that's protected. if so, that's convenient. when it's my guy, it's art. when it's your guy, it's offensive.

The dudes down at the Dome are not performing artists. You can join in like you said you would.

ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:36 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:12 pm

ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:34 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:15 pm

ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:12 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:54 pm

ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:41 pm what's the difference. he's sorry. and did some other goods, maybe.

(also do we think MeToo wouldve considered hemings to have properly consented)

Must be some reason you felt compelled to add it in. What were you thinking the value of including it is? In your words.

he's a bad guy. no?

a white male, privileged, insider, slaveowner. wrote the rules and then didnt follow them.

I don’t think I can pretend to know what he is, not should anyone else, beyond the evidence we have in hand.

that's fair. though some here at FL have told me what i think or what my feelings are on a topic. pure synthesis.

can you pretend that... grant didnt have a slave? you werent there. neither was i.

so TJ didnt have slaves, fine. didnt say black people smell, are mentally inferior, fine. i wasnt there either.

what if you went over to CHAZ in seattle. handed someone a 20. they would either say: (a) the cause tells me this is a symbol of oppression, im tearing it up; or (b) i really need the money and this is convenient. or (c), andrew jackson had slaves i thought he was a D

thank you for discussing.

Where is your policy question here?

the question is why do we give a pass to a racist slaveholder. the answer given was- he built the union that ended up outlawing slavery. forget all the other stuff. he said sorry.

and so the logical conclusion is- it's ok when it's my guy.

Don’t agree with your conclusion but you can see why a serious question wasn’t obvious and sarcasm was inferred.

I’d suggest it’s more like what’s the whole body of work, what did it look like linearally over his/her life and what was the trend at the end-kind of like NCAA BB at large selections.

I don’t see anyone on here stating or suggesting anything close to “it’s ok if it’s my guy”

ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:38 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:14 pm

ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:25 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:13 pm Really think folks should check out the Chappelle bit. It’s raw and in front of a limited crowd at some outdoor venue who clearly were expecting more jokes.

One good point was an anecdote of a black former military service member turned cop who reported excessive force by his partner, was reprimanded himself led the force and shot four white cops. When they showed up it was “with like 400 of cops and they Swiss cheesed his a**.“ Why, because he killed some of them but then they don’t understand why they’re getting the reaction from black people from this stuff that’s going on, citing a few references. The hypocrisy he pointed out is stark.

why should i. he uses the N word. it's offensive. we should cancel him.

... or is it just art, and therefore exempt.

Is this a serious policy question?

yes. the question is- is the word inherently offensive. if yes, he shouldnt use it. no one should, ever. full stop. if no, why the lack of outrage.

or is it exempt as art. he's just expressing himself, and that's protected. if so, that's convenient. when it's my guy, it's art. when it's your guy, it's offensive.

Again disagree with conclusion.

Personally I think the level of offense to something like comedians or other artists is off the charts and wrong. Suspect w agree here from what I can tell from your comments.

Are you suggestion someone in Charlottesville calling someone else that with tone and context is art? That would be crazy to me if so.

And I didn’t say Chappelles but on this was even art. It’s not even comedy, it’s perhaps the best use of a public platform I’ve seen since this has gone down however.

ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:35 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:08 pm Policy questions? Please repeat those.

What movement and who do you define as the movement. All people who don’t support the behavior, choices and activities of this president? Black people tired of unnecessarily being murdered by white people with authority that are never held accountable?

The movement is fringe and if you’re suggesting that it’s all dissenters of this president or the “blue wall of silence” then you aren’t serious and what are YOU doing on this forum? Fringe doesn’t deserve the keys types by those that point at this and that birdie to deflect from
REAL problems that CITIZENS of the USA are having.

And the idea that everybody and every group hits it’s target means that all of Wall Street isn’t serious because they have never since Buttonwood hit and stood at equilibrium pricing. Even by definition the word movement itself means looking to change something. Doesn’t mean it is the Platonic essence of the idea. That’s ludicrous.

i think that's the problem- the movement- whatever that is- is amorphous. part of the battle cry is, if youre not doing anything, youre at fault (see the JB quote). if im going to blamed for society's ills centuries ago, i need to know what im being blamed for.

Someone else replied on this but I would be similar in that it seems like shadenfrued on your part, happens in cases to all of us.

Again, I see the modern world expectation as simply full on empathy. Not defending indefensible and twisting every piece of information to support a guy getting shot in the back, choked to death or their neck snapped and then having little to no consequence and it happen again (and again). Just serious empathy.

As for the statues, the long term defense of indefensible clear cut ones, the insistence in many places, significantly in one region of the country, has produced this more extreme response, but not only the gross defenses of it, but the utter silence and lack of empathy from a lot of decent people has contributed greatly to this outcome today. If you don’t see that then your on a side that’s going to take generations to come to agreement on.

I get it. If I was on a college campus right now I’d probably be punching douchy hipsters out by the quad. Grew up in a world personally where “you tell the fu*%inf offense what your scheme is, out execute and jam the ball back up there a**”. None of this over the top, bend over backwards stuff. What I think it seems you are so vehemently rejecting is the modern, millenial version of the middle class white women (or guy but in my life it always seemed like it was the nice housewives) who claim to like Black people like Bill Cosby, Jesse Jackson and OJ (who once claimed to not be black) and say it’s a shame when horrors were still occurring and apologetic but not really helping that group get to a better place in our country. Just talk.

But the extreme, jerky comments and binary, nuance lacing notes I’m quoting here aren’t serious and don’t appear to care if black folks get any further along from this state we’re in now.

ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:38 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:14 pm

ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:25 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:13 pm Really think folks should check out the Chappelle bit. It’s raw and in front of a limited crowd at some outdoor venue who clearly were expecting more jokes.

One good point was an anecdote of a black former military service member turned cop who reported excessive force by his partner, was reprimanded himself led the force and shot four white cops. When they showed up it was “with like 400 of cops and they Swiss cheesed his a**.“ Why, because he killed some of them but then they don’t understand why they’re getting the reaction from black people from this stuff that’s going on, citing a few references. The hypocrisy he pointed out is stark.

why should i. he uses the N word. it's offensive. we should cancel him.

... or is it just art, and therefore exempt.

Is this a serious policy question?

yes. the question is- is the word inherently offensive. if yes, he shouldnt use it. no one should, ever. full stop. if no, why the lack of outrage.

or is it exempt as art. he's just expressing himself, and that's protected. if so, that's convenient. when it's my guy, it's art. when it's your guy, it's offensive.

Let me say this, and I may get a verbal prison raping from the Dis/Brook/Doc crowd for this:

I do believe it’s ok for black people to say it and not for white people to. Maybe that makes me not evolved enough for some, but it’s what I believe today.

That’s what makes listening to a banger like Hit Em Up so hard. And that is art, more importantly it’s a visceral representation of the worst implications of gangster rap which was heavily promoted by corporate America. I was a senior when Tupac and Biggie were murdered and everyone was sure it was all related to each other (not to mention the outlaw who was killed in a stairwell in Orange, NJ a week or two after Tupac was gunned down). The producer of that track said he’d never work on something like that again. And whatever you might think of Rap, if you can appreciate Transcendent talent and tried to check Tupac our you’d recognize this Is the case with him and the world lost somebody on that level. On par w LeBron, Elon Musk, Daniel day Lewis, etc. (and my favorite musicians only include a few rappers/groups, favorite band is a lesser known punk rock band called the Pixies, love me some Pogues, Cream, Dire Straits, Pink Floyd, Dead, Police and also went to a ton of early Blues Traveler, DMB, Rusted Root and Phish shows first half of the 1990s while in HS).

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:44 pm

ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:36 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:12 pm

ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:34 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:15 pm

ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:12 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:54 pm

ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:41 pm what's the difference. he's sorry. and did some other goods, maybe.

(also do we think MeToo wouldve considered hemings to have properly consented)

Must be some reason you felt compelled to add it in. What were you thinking the value of including it is? In your words.

he's a bad guy. no?

a white male, privileged, insider, slaveowner. wrote the rules and then didnt follow them.

I don’t think I can pretend to know what he is, not should anyone else, beyond the evidence we have in hand.

that's fair. though some here at FL have told me what i think or what my feelings are on a topic. pure synthesis.

can you pretend that... grant didnt have a slave? you werent there. neither was i.

so TJ didnt have slaves, fine. didnt say black people smell, are mentally inferior, fine. i wasnt there either.

what if you went over to CHAZ in seattle. handed someone a 20. they would either say: (a) the cause tells me this is a symbol of oppression, im tearing it up; or (b) i really need the money and this is convenient. or (c), andrew jackson had slaves i thought he was a D

thank you for discussing.

Where is your policy question here?

the question is why do we give a pass to a racist slaveholder. the answer given was- he built the union that ended up outlawing slavery. forget all the other stuff. he said sorry.

and so the logical conclusion is- it's ok when it's my guy.

Don’t agree with your conclusion but you can see why a serious question wasn’t obvious and sarcasm was inferred.

I’d suggest it’s more like what’s the whole body of work, what did it look like linearally over his/her life and what was the trend at the end-kind of like NCAA BB at large selections.

I don’t see anyone on here stating or suggesting anything close to “it’s ok if it’s my guy”

i don't but i suppose that's my problem and not yours.

that's all i ask- let's look at the body of work.

unfortunately, that's not how today's mob works. one blackface, one social media post, one slip up- youre cancelled. (unless youre exempt)

so when grant's statue comes down- we should take into account that he... didnt exactly "purchase" a slave. nor forced him into labor. fought to preserve the union. and then emancipated him. within a year. statute stays up, right? whoops.

now general george... ohhh he "struggled" with the institution of slavery. for 56 years!!!

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:47 pm

ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:38 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:14 pm

ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:25 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:13 pm Really think folks should check out the Chappelle bit. It’s raw and in front of a limited crowd at some outdoor venue who clearly were expecting more jokes.

One good point was an anecdote of a black former military service member turned cop who reported excessive force by his partner, was reprimanded himself led the force and shot four white cops. When they showed up it was “with like 400 of cops and they Swiss cheesed his a**.“ Why, because he killed some of them but then they don’t understand why they’re getting the reaction from black people from this stuff that’s going on, citing a few references. The hypocrisy he pointed out is stark.

why should i. he uses the N word. it's offensive. we should cancel him.

... or is it just art, and therefore exempt.

Is this a serious policy question?

yes. the question is- is the word inherently offensive. if yes, he shouldnt use it. no one should, ever. full stop. if no, why the lack of outrage.

or is it exempt as art. he's just expressing himself, and that's protected. if so, that's convenient. when it's my guy, it's art. when it's your guy, it's offensive.

Again disagree with conclusion.

Personally I think the level of offense to something like comedians or other artists is off the charts and wrong. Suspect w agree here from what I can tell from your comments.

Are you suggestion someone in Charlottesville calling someone else that with tone and context is art? That would be crazy to me if so.

And I didn’t say Chappelles but on this was even art. It’s not even comedy, it’s perhaps the best use of a public platform I’ve seen since this has gone down however.

good, i was looking to discuss, thanks.

i agree- any other standard is guessing what people think. how's that supposed to work.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:47 pm

ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:38 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:14 pm

ChairmanOfTheBoard wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:25 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:13 pm Really think folks should check out the Chappelle bit. It’s raw and in front of a limited crowd at some outdoor venue who clearly were expecting more jokes.

One good point was an anecdote of a black former military service member turned cop who reported excessive force by his partner, was reprimanded himself led the force and shot four white cops. When they showed up it was “with like 400 of cops and they Swiss cheesed his a**.“ Why, because he killed some of them but then they don’t understand why they’re getting the reaction from black people from this stuff that’s going on, citing a few references. The hypocrisy he pointed out is stark.

why should i. he uses the N word. it's offensive. we should cancel him.

... or is it just art, and therefore exempt.

Is this a serious policy question?

yes. the question is- is the word inherently offensive. if yes, he shouldnt use it. no one should, ever. full stop. if no, why the lack of outrage.

or is it exempt as art. he's just expressing himself, and that's protected. if so, that's convenient. when it's my guy, it's art. when it's your guy, it's offensive.

Again disagree with conclusion.

Personally I think the level of offense to something like comedians or other artists is off the charts and wrong. Suspect w agree here from what I can tell from your comments.

Are you suggestion someone in Charlottesville calling someone else that with tone and context is art? That would be crazy to me if so.

And I didn’t say Chappelles but on this was even art. It’s not even comedy, it’s perhaps the best use of a public platform I’ve seen since this has gone down however.

good, i was looking to discuss, thanks.

i agree- any other standard is guessing what people think. how's that supposed to work.