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Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:00 am
by jhu72
Biden gave Ukraine $1.5 billion in arms, months ago :roll:

I am sure there is lots going on behind the scenes you won't hear about until Biden does his biography (or Woodward does).

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:06 am
by runrussellrun
jhu72 wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:39 am China now appears to be on board.
"

Henry K.....must be laughing in his grave. Oh....wait ;)

No, seriously.....commie China, slave trade......'demestick" terrorist....yeah, the commies in China got that down pact. Stalin deserved the Nobel peaze price for his contributions to humanity......

and we can't see it in our own government actions....geez, even THINKING that is terrorism. pick a topic"" yup"....there is the censorship gang.

and any clown that hides their hate for humanity behind the : "well, they ARE private companies, after all......they are free to whip you, starve you, etc. What's that darling...no no, we are a private companies, the laws of humanity do not apply, certainly, we can do whatever we want. to our customers. to our employees NOT...stock holders....heavens no...."

what's that....the Company Store "song" was all about a warm and fuzzy topic.

Thanks Nixon.......for making us feel like we are friends with "certain" types of Commies (china)...and enemies with others (russia )

we went to Korea and Vietnam to topple commie growth.......but, somehow.....just choose to do bizness with China? sounds sane, right?

so, shocked that COMMIE china sides with COMMIE russia ? how stupid are we. Oh, right, still friends with the house of Souds....oil, don't ya know. But climate change :roll:

we wonder how much of that story was real....the ending of the capture of evil Icemahn, as depicted in a great watch, Operation Finale. Ichemann's captors, one in particular, actually thought the man who killed hundreds of his religious breathren, among others, would befriend him. Where his Jewish guard actually thought Ichemann had one ounce of compassion, especially towards his kind. Human nature. and our supply chain continues with those that have the mindsets of Ichemann" (delibaretly spelled that way, it is the Jewish way to spell it and it irks the nazi creeps that lurk in message boards. great tactic to snuff them out...none here, of course ;)

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:06 am
by jhu72
OCanada wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:56 am The cyber war has already begun, The American advantage is large.

Putin is a corrupt GRU gangster. He has not done well by Russia but then he stays in power bcs of the oligarchs. He deals in assassinations and various criminal enterprises done of which involve Americans and keeps the peace. Not unlike the head of the five families. He has gone to war four times and escaped pretty much unscathed. He put in place puppet regimes. His current disinformation campaign saw its first iteration in Crimea. It has significant support inside the USA.

My parents and brother all served. They didn’t didn’t bring it up or expect deference. I can’t speak for the ancesters.

Putin in a 5’5 vow pattie trying to restore the USSR and unwind the oost WW ll guard raiks that kept Europe at peace. His position is probably not as strong as some think.

He doesn’t have unlimited manpower like the Chinese or their tech strengths. He is dangerous bcs he is weak. So far protests have begun in more than 50 cities w about 2,000 arrested. It is questionable whether he had the resources to sustain an occupation. So much is at play now.
... yup, a gas pump with a brothel attached, run by the Russian mob.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:12 am
by runrussellrun
jhu72 wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:06 am
OCanada wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:56 am The cyber war has already begun, The American advantage is large.

Putin is a corrupt GRU gangster. He has not done well by Russia but then he stays in power bcs of the oligarchs. He deals in assassinations and various criminal enterprises done of which involve Americans and keeps the peace. Not unlike the head of the five families. He has gone to war four times and escaped pretty much unscathed. He put in place puppet regimes. His current disinformation campaign saw its first iteration in Crimea. It has significant support inside the USA.

My parents and brother all served. They didn’t didn’t bring it up or expect deference. I can’t speak for the ancesters.

Putin in a 5’5 vow pattie trying to restore the USSR and unwind the oost WW ll guard raiks that kept Europe at peace. His position is probably not as strong as some think.

He doesn’t have unlimited manpower like the Chinese or their tech strengths. He is dangerous bcs he is weak. So far protests have begun in more than 50 cities w about 2,000 arrested. It is questionable whether he had the resources to sustain an occupation. So much is at play now.
... yup, a gas pump with a brothel attached, run by the Russian mob.
These will be the names named in the sanctions, yes?

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:26 am
by Peter Brown
jhu72 wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:00 am Biden gave Ukraine $1.5 billion in arms, months ago :roll:

I am sure there is lots going on behind the scenes you won't hear about until Biden does his biography (or Woodward does).



If that’s true, it appears as if the money ended up in Switzerland not Ukraine.

Poroshenko is out on the streets assembling ghost Kalyshnekov’s practically.

https://twitter.com/noraneus/status/149 ... 20128?s=21

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:35 am
by jhu72
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:26 am
jhu72 wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:00 am Biden gave Ukraine $1.5 billion in arms, months ago :roll:

I am sure there is lots going on behind the scenes you won't hear about until Biden does his biography (or Woodward does).



If that’s true, it appears as if the money ended up in Switzerland not Ukraine.

Poroshenko is out on the streets assembling ghost Kalyshnekov’s practically.

https://twitter.com/noraneus/status/149 ... 20128?s=21
... he also earlier this week said he was giving them a $1 billion credit guarantee as a follow on. May get more, outright, now that the republican Senate is stepping up. Unlike your boy, he follows the law rather than trying to steal that kind of money from some where else in the budget.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:41 am
by runrussellrun
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:26 am
jhu72 wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:00 am Biden gave Ukraine $1.5 billion in arms, months ago :roll:

I am sure there is lots going on behind the scenes you won't hear about until Biden does his biography (or Woodward does).



If that’s true, it appears as if the money ended up in Switzerland not Ukraine.

Poroshenko is out on the streets assembling ghost Kalyshnekov’s practically.

https://twitter.com/noraneus/status/149 ... 20128?s=21
Peter, you following the commie heros favorite new scandal......I told you it's gonna get worse. Billions......in missing Canadaian covid funds.

Fraudau , not Trudeau

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:43 am
by runrussellrun
jhu72 wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:00 am Biden gave Ukraine $1.5 billion in arms, months ago :roll:

I am sure there is lots going on behind the scenes you won't hear about until Biden does his biography (or Woodward does).
Gave.....or allowed to buy?

either way......if you award this move, providing killing weapons to other humans........seems strange , when you want to TAKE others killing weapons AWAY.

stay principled.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:50 am
by Farfromgeneva
jhu72 wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:39 am China now appears to be on board.
Which many think means Putin’s already got Kiev and they’re swooping in to look good “brokering” a peace agreement where Russia installs a puppet regime.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:58 am
by CU88
Here's how to checkmate Putin - chess grandmaster Garry Kasparov

1. Support Ukraine militarily,
2. Bankrupt Putin's war machine,
3. Freeze & seize Russia's finances,
4. Kick Russia out of every financial institution.

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-698594

I will note that Putin is a judo blackbelt, not a chess grandmaster; and vice versa for Kasparov.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:02 am
by MDlaxfan76
tech37 wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:47 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:30 am
tech37 wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:26 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:10 am
tech37 wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:32 am
old salt wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 6:28 am Zelensky ready to talk terms with Putin for neutral status
A visibly shaken President Zelensky addressed Ukraine explaining that he was the number one target for Russian forces, and that he was willing to discuss Russian demands for neutral status of Ukraine.

Biden needs to call Putin, advise him to declare an immediate cease fire & meet with Zelensky, or not rule out a military response from the US.
Too late. That neutrality conversation should have taken place months (years?) ago. Sure hope Biden doesn't make things worse.
Why isn't "sure hope Putin doesn't make it worse"???

Ukrainians are united now in their hatred of Putin.
That too, needless to say.

Perhaps not "too late!" More chatter on news re talks (backed by Xi?) We need some cooler heads to prevail here.
Zelensky is asking for talks with Putin...stiff armed by Putin.

It's not "needless to say", it's the whole deal.
The "boo Biden" crap is absolutely wrong.

Not the time for partisan baloney.

Watched Ben Sasse this AM, shortly followed by Hillary Clinton.
Both excellent, clear eyed, tough minded.

My wife, who really dislikes Clinton said, "boy, I really like her...when she's not a candidate..."

Not a time for partisan politics.
It's not "boo Biden" and why I said "(years?)." The fact is, he IS in the driver seat or do you have a problem with that too?
No, Putin is in the driver's seat. He's calling the shots entirely as to whether they subjugate Ukraine by force.

He claims that Zelensky was not democratically elected and that he and his regime are controlled by Neo-Nazis and the US. And that Ukraine is not actually sovereign country, and by all rights is part of Russia.

We simply don't like subjugation by force of democratic country and are going to make to make it costly for Putin and Russia.

Neutrality was never actually an option (for us to dictate), the Ukrainians made that call, built it into their Constitution.

I'm generally fine with Biden's leadership, can critique later. I hope, and you should too, that Biden's leadership, and the Ukrainians, are successful in breaking Putin's and the oligarchs' will.

I think it won't happen over night.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:04 am
by runrussellrun
CU88 wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:58 am Here's how to checkmate Putin - chess grandmaster Garry Kasparov

1. Support Ukraine militarily, How?
2. Bankrupt Putin's war machine, How?
3. Freeze & seize Russia's finances, How?
4. Kick Russia out of every financial institution. How?

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-698594

I will note that Putin is a judo blackbelt, not a chess grandmaster; and vice versa for Kasparov.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:07 am
by runrussellrun
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:02 am
No, Putin is in the driver's seat. He's calling the shots entirely as to whether they subjugate Ukraine by force.

He claims that Zelensky was not democratically elected and that he and his regime are controlled by Neo-Nazis and the US. And that Ukraine is not actually sovereign country, and by all rights is part of Russia.
didn't JHU72 just provide information that Biden is GIVING the Ukraine free guns? with no ask? none?

you tell us all the time, the folks with the money call the shots.....only, NOT...in this case ?

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:08 am
by MDlaxfan76
Requires EU/NATO support, RRR.

That's the challenge. Could be coming.

Kasparov is saying what will work.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:12 am
by MDlaxfan76
runrussellrun wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:07 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:02 am
No, Putin is in the driver's seat. He's calling the shots entirely as to whether they subjugate Ukraine by force.

He claims that Zelensky was not democratically elected and that he and his regime are controlled by Neo-Nazis and the US. And that Ukraine is not actually sovereign country, and by all rights is part of Russia.
didn't JHU72 just provide information that Biden is GIVING the Ukraine free guns? with no ask? none?

you tell us all the time, the folks with the money call the shots.....only, NOT...in this case ?
no ask???

Zelensky has been "asking" constantly, including right now...Trump tried to hold him up on that, but that was reversed, and sure, we've been providing more and more...but they need more still...

Zelensky could have been asking Russia for guns, but the call had been made to align with the West not Russia...that decision was made by the Ukrainians...we obviously prefer democracy so welcomed that choice.

That's the reality.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:17 am
by Essexfenwick
Russia is a weak economy. Taking Ukraine makes it much stronger and that’s why it happened. Putin is proud of Russia so sanctions can save face for everybody. Saving face is what keeps the world safe in the nuclear age. Russia or any other nuclear power will never be “broken” unless it comes from inside. Sanctions and penalties have to be very well thought out or Putin will just continue to take over countries to restore dignity and strength.

Here’s the thing. Power in this age comes from nuclear weapons and Russia has the most and the best delivery systems based on the orbiting missile they demonstrated. Strategic advantage comes from the toughness of conventional forces and the toughness of the population. The poorer the population the tougher the population. Russia could attack Germany right now and threaten nuclear Armageddon and the west would fold because populations in the west will take survival and comfort over the end of the world. That’s the bottom line. Since the nuclear bomb was created every year of civilization is a blessing that we sometimes take for granted.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:21 am
by Peter Brown
runrussellrun wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:41 am
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:26 am
jhu72 wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:00 am Biden gave Ukraine $1.5 billion in arms, months ago :roll:

I am sure there is lots going on behind the scenes you won't hear about until Biden does his biography (or Woodward does).

If that’s true, it appears as if the money ended up in Switzerland not Ukraine.

Poroshenko is out on the streets assembling ghost Kalyshnekov’s practically.

https://twitter.com/noraneus/status/149 ... 20128?s=21
Peter, you following the commie heros favorite new scandal......I told you it's gonna get worse. Billions......in missing Canadaian covid funds.

Fraudau , not Trudeau



I hadn’t but just pulled this up.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/audit-finds- ... -1.5424949

Just stunning.

Equally stunning is seeing the same Trudeau fans cheering his outrageous violations of human civil rights and liberty when he seizes the bank accounts of small donors with no court order, no charges, and no manner to contest the action. If that isn’t the very definition of a totalitarian thug, I don’t know what is. Unreal.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:21 am
by runrussellrun
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:12 am
runrussellrun wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:07 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:02 am
No, Putin is in the driver's seat. He's calling the shots entirely as to whether they subjugate Ukraine by force.

He claims that Zelensky was not democratically elected and that he and his regime are controlled by Neo-Nazis and the US. And that Ukraine is not actually sovereign country, and by all rights is part of Russia.
didn't JHU72 just provide information that Biden is GIVING the Ukraine free guns? with no ask? none?

you tell us all the time, the folks with the money call the shots.....only, NOT...in this case ?
no ask???

Zelensky has been "asking" constantly, including right now...Trump tried to hold him up on that, but that was reversed, and sure, we've been providing more and more...but they need more still...

Zelensky could have been asking Russia for guns, but the call had been made to align with the West not Russia...that decision was made by the Ukrainians...we obviously prefer democracy so welcomed that choice.

That's the reality.
Apologize....the "ask" would be on Bidens part. Joe Biden would be doing the asking. Give/gave....get......scenario. Biden GAVE the Ukraine killing weapons .....what is the USA GETTING....in return? Nothing? To quote joe, "come on man".

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:23 am
by runrussellrun
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:21 am
runrussellrun wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:41 am
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:26 am
jhu72 wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:00 am Biden gave Ukraine $1.5 billion in arms, months ago :roll:

I am sure there is lots going on behind the scenes you won't hear about until Biden does his biography (or Woodward does).

If that’s true, it appears as if the money ended up in Switzerland not Ukraine.

Poroshenko is out on the streets assembling ghost Kalyshnekov’s practically.

https://twitter.com/noraneus/status/149 ... 20128?s=21
Peter, you following the commie heros favorite new scandal......I told you it's gonna get worse. Billions......in missing Canadaian covid funds.

Fraudau , not Trudeau



I hadn’t but just pulled this up.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/audit-finds- ... -1.5424949

Just stunning.

Equally stunning is seeing the same Trudeau fans cheering his outrageous violations of human civil rights and liberty when he seizes the bank accounts of small donors with no court order, no charges, and no manner to contest the action. If that isn’t the very definition of a totalitarian thug, I don’t know what is. Unreal.
It's amazing how "some" can learn about news, while "others" just can't seem to find the time.....

.....infotainment......what do you really learn in a half hour watch? besides, that you should "ask your doctor" or get "cash back" on global warming pickup truck.

Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine

Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2022 10:24 am
by Farfromgeneva
CU88 wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 9:58 am Here's how to checkmate Putin - chess grandmaster Garry Kasparov

1. Support Ukraine militarily,
2. Bankrupt Putin's war machine,
3. Freeze & seize Russia's finances,
4. Kick Russia out of every financial institution.

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-698594

I will note that Putin is a judo blackbelt, not a chess grandmaster; and vice versa for Kasparov.
Closing off swift would singularly do the trick. I don’t buy this argument in the NYT at all.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytime ... m.amp.html