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Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 1:42 am
by Typical Lax Dad
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:14 am
tech37 wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:01 pm What the hell are you talking about? I'm F'ing vaccinated. So is my family. I won't tell others though what they should do regarding Covid vaccination, especially when their livelihood is on the line.

Wrong context. Smallpox and polio took place in another time and were never politicized like Covid. You're obviously blind to the fact that the day and age we live in is the difference. Thought you were brighter than that.
LOL at fake outrage. Good job provoking that though, dude. Flaming 101 from 1995 (now called trolling).

Doesn't matter if you're vaccinated or not. The fact that you're defending other people's stupid choices is the problem here bro. Same as if you wouldn't tell someone what the should do regarding the polio or smallpox vaccine.

I saw what polio did to my dad, and he was one of the lucky ones... If COVID was as visible as polio or smallpox, you'd be singing a much different tune.

Who politicized COVID by the way? I'm sure I'll get a straight answer there :roll:
I’ll take “Who is CNN and Fauci” for $200, Chuck.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:52 am
by Farfromgeneva
Kismet wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:09 pm
tech37 wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:01 pm
Kismet wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:50 pm
tech37 wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:25 pm
a fan wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 3:18 pm
tech37 wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:08 pm Why? Why would people who don't trust the government and the FDA suddenly be willing to try a brand new drug?
Because as I've said more than once now, if the drug WORKS! And is SAFE! That evidence will take, at best months, to years to materialize. In time, if Molnupiravir fulfills all the hype (Fauci's optimism may be the kiss of death for many), why wouldn't sick people take a drug that, not only works, but has a good safety record? Why is that concept so hard to grasp?
We're talking past each other here, my apologies. I'm only referring to anti vaxxers.
oh boy...
tech37 wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 2:08 pm C'mon a fan, that is too easy. If patients agree to vaccination and/or therapeutics, there's no hypocrisy involved. Pandemic or not, healthcare is deeply personal.
That's not how morality works.

Pretend that you're a nurse. you're certain that a drug is dangerous. So dangerous, in fact, that YOU won't take said drug, even though your doctor advised you to take it.

Would you knowingly inject this drug---a drug that is so dangerous, than you won't take it yourself-----into a patient in your care?

Of course you wouldn't, tech.

The fact that these nurse's have, and will continue to, inject the vaccine into patients under their care tells you that something else is at work. They don't REALLY think it's dangerous. If they did? they never in a million years inject it into someone they care for.....

Which is precisely why they should either take the vaccine, or resign.
Resign... or be fired? Just how much of a threat are unvaccinated nurses? Do we know?
I'll never understand how you defend the non-use of vaccines on safety issues when just here in the USA, over 300 million doses have been administered with little or no adverse effects and the number of serious breakthrough infections is also a tiny number.

If this BS had been the case in the past, smallpox and polio would never have been eradicated.
What the hell are you talking about? I'm F'ing vaccinated. So is my family. I won't tell others though what they should do regarding Covid vaccination, especially when their livelihood is on the line.

Wrong context. Smallpox and polio took place in another time and were never politicized like Covid. You're obviously blind to the fact that the day and age we live in is the difference. Thought you were brighter than that.
Did not mean to personalize you but rather your rationalization of those who won't look at the data on vaccine safety and efficacy.
The math on vaccine safety is OFF THE CHARTS as it also was for polio and smallpox. The same people crying about vaccine safety have already taken multiple vaccines for polio, smallpox and many other ailments that have effectively almost eliminated them.

Politicizing science is insane....and hazardous to one's health and that of others in one's family circle and community. I just don't get it.
My goodness, we have lost over 700,000 people and we have a viable solution in terms of vaccines that are both safe and effective.
Do we know for sure other events were not politicized? Can that statement be made and certain it’s definitively true? I know there are some old cars on these boards but that would be impressive.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:55 am
by Farfromgeneva
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:12 pm

If kids don’t get off the couch and exercise, a good old fashioned pandemic will take care of it.
My kids want to (and started) doing they mile club and go in early these days. They treat it like a game to win, no idea where they got stuff like that from, but they go and go hard.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:56 am
by Farfromgeneva
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:14 pm Anybody seen Cartman lately?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 6321000271
Think he got shot in the bubble goose.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:59 am
by Farfromgeneva
JoeMauer89 wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:31 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:28 pm
JoeMauer89 wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:19 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:16 pm
JoeMauer89 wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:58 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:07 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 2:53 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 12:55 pm Parents are too negative

Obviously she was old.
Obviously there aren’t approved vaccines for 10 year olds or did I miss the memo?
Did you?
Important to make sure one is doing everything they can to stay in the best shape possible. Any death of a child that young is unfortunate. Just by looking at the picture the article has, she is quite overweight and one knows that does one no favors with a respiratory virus like this. What should the take away be from this besides highly unfortunate? I can sit here all day long and scour the web for anecdotal stories that support my frame of mind. Does this mean it's commonplace? FAR from it. Remember not to get sucked into the anecdotal vortex. You seem to scour the web deeply to find these stories to support your views, ideology, etc.

Joe
First, I quite agree that obesity is a major co-morbidity factor. The stats are pretty clear, though it's just one factor. But a big one. Putting aside that the kid is overweight (probably not obese...yet), mom and dad are definitely obese.

Indeed 2/3 of Americans are overweight or obese, with this increasing as a % with age groups.

But let's be clear, over 19% of children under 18 are indeed actually obese, another, larger, % is overweight. It just gets worse with age as metabolisms naturally slow, sugar additions worsen, etc.

And over 50% of our overall healthcare costs in America are driven by our poor nutritional behaviors, diabetes, heart disease, metabolic disorder, joint pain, some cancers, etc.

This is a very disturbing reality in America today...but that's what it is, a reality, and we're not talking about small numbers of people, including among kids.

And that's not going to change overnight, much as I or we wish otherwise.

I know that you're not dismissing that this child died, an otherwise seemingly healthy, though overweight child, from contracting COVID. Nor do I think that you are dismissing that more will surely die with continuing spread of Covid, especially Delta (and possibly future variants) affecting more kids than Alpha did.

But unless you're clear about that, you could be misunderstood. It's more than merely an anecdote, it's putting faces and personal stories to the actual #'s, which are not insignificant.

And what are these parents asking? Simply that we all do our best to help to reduce spread...eg get vaccinated, wear a mask when inside etc. Don't rail against these efforts and dissuade others from doing the same.
Not at all what I am doing. Kid's 5-11 will be vaccinated in the very short-term future. That;'s all you are asking for... Whether school was in person or virtual, this still (likely) would have happened. It's a shame. Not downplaying anything. :roll:

Joe
Well, actually probably would not have happened if school was virtual, but as you know I'm not advocating that as the best policy at this point.

There are other policies that make more sense, given all the costs/benefits. But we do need to actually follow them, encourage others...even insist on others, to follow them.

Much better for the kids (and parents) overall.
Yes, situationally based. That's what I'm advocating. The current situation on Long Island does not call for virtual schooling.

Joe
Maybe just Suffolk and not Nassau :)

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 4:04 am
by Farfromgeneva
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:07 pm https://www.insider.com/new-york-parent ... 2021-9?amp

If someone called my father and told him I was in trouble at school, I would have had a raw ass at home. Times have changed.
Yes but having a cop walk in on a elementary school kid seems problematic. We got a msg about our son last spring when they went back the last six weeks in person for doing the chin diaper thing but talked to him and it was corrected immediately. Calling the cops? That strikes me as problematic. I just gave a few shekels to the innocence project and am for a lot more decriminalization and narrowing the focus for police not this type of activity.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 4:05 am
by Farfromgeneva
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:21 pm
wgdsr wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:09 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:05 pm
wgdsr wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:02 pm suffolk county schools have a mandatory mask policy.
Wearing mask at home while studying remotely?
only in cars remotely.
Obviously
Image
How is Woody Harrelson going to make his girl eat her hot dog with a mask on?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4v7W3iDCcOs

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 4:08 am
by Farfromgeneva
a fan wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:41 pm
Kismet wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 12:21 pm Question - If the Feds' cost is $700/treatment does the consumer have any payment responsibility? If not, why incent people to take a $700 drug when a $7 vaccine essentially eliminates that need.
As a taxpayer, I'd be satisfied if the anti vaxxer could tell me why it's ok to take one brand new FDA treatment (the pill), and not the other (the vaccine).

Think: AP exam written portion. If they can't give a good answer? Sorry mate, you don't get the pill without cash up front.

They give a good answer? The pill's on me.
Decreasing the surplus population before Christmas?

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 4:14 am
by Farfromgeneva
SCLaxAttack wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 9:09 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 8:09 pm Couple of stories from taking son for first camping trip (cub scouts) in N Ga mtns.

-One lady is bugging out in disgust when we were in line to get our dinner in a group meal of chili, shredded cheese Etc. I was telling my son to mask up since we’d be hovering over and touching community food and in a line. This biyach is going “Jesus Christ, uggh” (as if she had a pill popping problem and needed to take a dump). Now I was simply telling my son as a courtesy to others and knowing the kids are all not vaxxed (and he’s had two kids in his class test positive within 6 weeks at school). Wasn’t directed at this dumb mouth breather with a bull-you know what haircut, dope Auburn hat on and general nastiness or even any thought of care towards others simply in line telling my son ao he’d learn to be considerate of others. Doesn’t benefit him to mask up.

-At a quick trip in Jasper Ga (QT-think Wawa for you Pennsy/NJ/W MD folks w huge offerings and basically a QSR inside the stores), which is now my sons favorite place for fast food. Again we’re getting freshly prepared, potentially roller food (which honestly no point in vaccinating if you eat those jalapeno cheese sausages or Buffalo breaded spicy chicken sticks more than 4x in a lifetime because I’m dead and you’re talking to a ghost). So masked and at register and some old redneck is making this loud conversation about how stupid it is and this and that to the clerk with us right behind. I’m a bit of a fighter so I inquired: “hi sir is this clerk a friend or family member? No, so what made you decide to initiate this conversation with us behind you here? Is there anything you’d like to say to me or my son because we just finished a cub scouts camping trip and I’m working on teaching him respect for others, dignity, honesty and other positive characteristics and wanted to make sure I understood why you chose to start that conversation and suddenly project with us behind you”. He was clearly ticked but lucky because he thinks he would’ve done something if my son wasn’t there but all he would’ve done is get himself arrested or knocked out, he doesn’t realize my son saved him pain and misery.

Anyways, don’t tell me it’s only liberals (some certainly do behave equally douchebaggy for sure) who “virtue signal” or run their mouths and have to opine on others behavior when unnecessary because these fu**faces are just as bad and those defending them need to recognize or shut up on this topic because it’s nonsense.
Sorry to hear your son has to deal with seeing how some people are. Best he sees it now and learns from his dad now than being shocked by idiocy later.
I could be better at handling it but I like to call people out, for some reason don’t like games/kabuki theater/hand waving and the show people put on. Would rather get to it and not waste time with deceit.

Guess that’s why the wife’s grandfather told me after moving down and I commented on eventually being a southerner instead of a yankee: “son, you are what we call a damn Yankee. I’m 20-30yrs you could be just a Yankee. But we still love you anyway.”

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 5:45 am
by jhu72
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Mon Oct 04, 2021 12:14 am
tech37 wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:01 pm What the hell are you talking about? I'm F'ing vaccinated. So is my family. I won't tell others though what they should do regarding Covid vaccination, especially when their livelihood is on the line.

Wrong context. Smallpox and polio took place in another time and were never politicized like Covid. You're obviously blind to the fact that the day and age we live in is the difference. Thought you were brighter than that.
LOL at fake outrage. Good job provoking that though, dude. Flaming 101 from 1995 (now called trolling).

Doesn't matter if you're vaccinated or not. The fact that you're defending other people's stupid choices is the problem here bro. Same as if you wouldn't tell someone what the should do regarding the polio or smallpox vaccine.

I saw what polio did to my dad, and he was one of the lucky ones... If COVID was as visible as polio or smallpox, you'd be singing a much different tune.

Who politicized COVID by the way? I'm sure I'll get a straight answer there :roll:
+1

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 8:22 am
by Typical Lax Dad
:!:
Farfromgeneva wrote: Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:55 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:12 pm

If kids don’t get off the couch and exercise, a good old fashioned pandemic will take care of it.
My kids want to (and started) doing they mile club and go in early these days. They treat it like a game to win, no idea where they got stuff like that from, but they go and go hard.
Keep them active.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 8:24 am
by Farfromgeneva
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon Oct 04, 2021 8:22 am :!:
Farfromgeneva wrote: Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:55 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:12 pm

If kids don’t get off the couch and exercise, a good old fashioned pandemic will take care of it.
My kids want to (and started) doing they mile club and go in early these days. They treat it like a game to win, no idea where they got stuff like that from, but they go and go hard.
Keep them active.
I worry about my daughter. She gets up early to lay on the couch and watch Simpsons. My son is a function of our capacity

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 8:25 am
by tech37
wgdsr wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:25 pm
Kismet wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:09 pm
tech37 wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:01 pm
Kismet wrote: Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:50 pm
I'll never understand how you defend the non-use of vaccines on safety issues when just here in the USA, over 300 million doses have been administered with little or no adverse effects and the number of serious breakthrough infections is also a tiny number.

If this BS had been the case in the past, smallpox and polio would never have been eradicated.
What the hell are you talking about? I'm F'ing vaccinated. So is my family. I won't tell others though what they should do regarding Covid vaccination, especially when their livelihood is on the line.

Wrong context. Smallpox and polio took place in another time and were never politicized like Covid. You're obviously blind to the fact that the day and age we live in is the difference. Thought you were brighter than that.
Did not mean to personalize you but rather your rationalization of those who won't look at the data on vaccine safety and efficacy.
The math on vaccine safety is OFF THE CHARTS as it also was for polio and smallpox. The same people crying about vaccine safety have already taken multiple vaccines for polio, smallpox and many other ailments that have effectively almost eliminated them.

Politicizing science is insane....and hazardous to one's health and that of others in one's family circle and community. I just don't get it.
My goodness, we have lost over 700,000 people and we have a viable solution in terms of vaccines that are both safe and effective.
it's not off the charts at all when it's age based.
have you noticed what's what on vaccination by age or just by political affiliation?

#algorythmic
#internet_medical_certification.
To wgdsr's point:

https://outsidevoices.substack.com/p/th ... bout-covid

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2021 7:16 am
by Bart
FDA finally, FINALLY, approves another lateral flow rapid home COVID test.

https://www.medicaldevice-network.com/n ... home-test/

https://www.aconlabs.com/sars-cov-2-antigen-rapid-test/

Another public health tool to help out with this F'n thing.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2021 9:51 am
by CU88
Graphics are available in the link

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substac ... tm_source=

Why do we have waves? And was this the final one?

Katelyn Jetelina

For the first time since mid-summer, all indicators (test positivity rate, cases, hospitalizations, deaths) in the United States are decreasing. A welcome ending to this Delta wave. And while some states are still experiencing upswings (Alaska & North Dakota), the early Delta leaders continue to recover.

Interestingly, this Delta wave had a distinct pattern: 2.5 month flare of virus until retreat. We saw the same pattern across the world, too (with a few exceptions). So, why the 2 months? Why does the pandemic ebb and flow in waves?

Previous Pandemics

Early in the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic, Drs. Tom Jefferson and Carl Heneghan (scientists at the University of Oxford) summarized respiratory pandemics over the past 150 years. They highlighted:

The last five outbreaks, since 1957-58, occurred in the space of two years;

Five outbreaks are described as having a second wave;

2009-10 had two mild phases;

1957-58 had two phases that were equally severe;

1889-92 and 1918-20 had two phases with the latter being described as more severe.

So, epidemic waves are relatively common. During the 1918 pandemic, the world was hit with three waves between Spring 1918 and early 1919. During the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic, there were two distinct waves.

But each wave wasn’t the same. For example, during the 1918 pandemic, the second wave was much more severe in younger adults. During H1N1, older people with underlying conditions were more likely to go to the hospital in the second wave compared to the first.

Epidemic curve of laboratory-confirmed cases of pandemic (H1N1) influenza resulting in hospital admission, admission to an intensive care unit (ICU) or death during the first wave (Apr. 12 to Aug. 29, 2009) and the second wave and post-peak period (Aug. 30, 2009, to Apr. 3, 2010) in Canada, by date of symptom onset or collection of specimen. Source here.
Why do we have waves?

Why doesn’t the virus just spread and spread until it has no more people to infect? It’s a simple, legitimate question with a very complicated answer: We don’t know. There’s no scientific consensus on why this happens. We hypothesize it’s largely driven by the combination of four factors:

Human behavior: Once numbers start increasing, people start changing behavior (whether they know it or not). Even modest restrictions can bring numbers back down, like masking or cancelling plans. People did take the Delta wave seriously. The Kaiser Family Foundation reported an uptick in vaccinations due to Delta, hospitals filling up, and knowing someone who got seriously ill or died due to Delta. Human behavior plays a big role in wave patterns.

Social networks: This plays some sort of role too (and I think the most interesting). As people see their regular contacts and these networks reassert themselves, Delta runs out of places to go. This is highly dependent on how and where people mix. As we all know, schools just started, which would open social networks (not limit them). So this may only play a limited role with Delta.

Seasonality. During non-pandemic times, most coronaviruses are seasonal. Other viruses, like the flu, are seasonal because of climate patterns (and human behavior). It’s not a coincidence that our largest COVID19 wave was during the Winter months. But, again, this doesn’t fully explain all waves, as we had some during the summer months too.

Heat maps of global monthly activity of seasonal coronaviruses (sCoVs), influenza virus (IFV), and respiratory syncytial virus (RSV). The y-axis shows the countries where the data were from and the latitude of sites. Numbers on the right side denote the total number of sCoV cases. Source here.
Levels of Vaccine and/or Natural Immunity. As more people become immune, spread slows and the virus eventually stops because it runs out of people to infect. We, no doubt, saw this with vaccine rates and Delta. Highly vaccinated states, like Vermont (70% population fully vaccinated), came out relatively unscathed. As far as natural immunity, we saw this in Michigan. Michigan was hit hard with Alpha in April, which likely provided some protection against Delta. But Michigan numbers are starting to increase now, so we need to keep an eye on this.

Other factors: And there are likely many other reasons that play a less dominant role, like testing patterns (antigen becoming more dominant; less testing due to pandemic fatigue) and humidity.

Is this the last wave?

No one really knows, but it could be. At this point it’s certainly partially (if not fully) dependent on the durability of natural immunity.

This week the Lancet published a study that used data on other coronaviruses evolutionarily close to SARS-CoV-2 to estimate times to reinfection. The study confirmed what we already knew: the durability of natural protection is highly variable. For some people, natural immunity lasts only 3 months and for others it could last up to 5 years. The median protection is 16 months, though.

So if the majority of Americans were naturally infected in the 3rd and 4th waves of this pandemic, we may have enough protection to get us through Winter. Reinfections will eventually get more and more common, though. And we have no idea who’s protected and who’s not.

We started to already see this phenomenon in the UK. Recently, the UK Delta wave started to decrease, but on its way down it changed course and started increasing again. This is due to a myriad of factors, but interestingly as Dr. Paul Hunter (adviser to the WHO) pointed out in a recent NYT article:

“The [UK] rise has been driven by outbreaks in regions that had seen relatively few cases earlier in the pandemic and, therefore, had less naturally acquired immunity, including southwest England and rural parts of Scotland and Northern Ireland.”

So, will this be the final wave in the United States? We’ll just have to wait and see.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:34 am
by RedFromMI
More Americans died of COVID this year than all of 2020
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/live-upda ... n#80432735
More Americans have died from COVID-19 this year than from the virus in all of 2020, according to newly updated data from Johns Hopkins University.

More than 353,000 COVID-19 deaths have been reported since Jan. 1, compared with 352,000 COVID-19 deaths in the first 10 months of the pandemic.

Over the last month, the U.S. has reported more than 47,000 deaths.

-ABC News' Arielle Mitropoulos
But yet you have a highly effective vaccine that could be crushing the pandemic...

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 10:40 am
by Farfromgeneva
I like Fauci on cross pollination of vaccines. I’m done w Pfizer yeah!

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:39 am
by Typical Lax Dad
My wife mentioned that she was talking to her class about early reaction when it was predicted that we could see 80,000 COVID-19 deaths when the pandemic first started. People found 80,000 to be a startling number. Well we are at 725,000 dead Americans and folks believe we have over reacted and are too negative… covid was the third leading cause a death. Infectious disease usually just breaks top 10 if it appears as a leading cause of death. We may get to 1,000,000 by 3/31/21. It’s hard to tell.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:54 am
by wgdsr
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:39 am My wife mentioned that she was talking to her class about early reaction when it was predicted that we could see 80,000 COVID-19 deaths when the pandemic first started. People found 80,000 to be a startling number. Well we are at 725,000 dead Americans and folks believe we have over reacted and are too negative… covid was the third leading cause a death. Infectious disease usually just breaks top 10 if it appears as a leading cause of death. We may get to 1,000,000 by 3/31/21. It’s hard to tell.
80,000 was directionally accurate for people that know how models work.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:55 am
by Typical Lax Dad
wgdsr wrote: Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:54 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Oct 06, 2021 11:39 am My wife mentioned that she was talking to her class about early reaction when it was predicted that we could see 80,000 COVID-19 deaths when the pandemic first started. People found 80,000 to be a startling number. Well we are at 725,000 dead Americans and folks believe we have over reacted and are too negative… covid was the third leading cause a death. Infectious disease usually just breaks top 10 if it appears as a leading cause of death. We may get to 1,000,000 by 3/31/21. It’s hard to tell.
80,000 was directionally accurate for people that know how models work.
Yep. Disappearing in a few weeks because most people had T cell resistance but did know it probably wasn’t.