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Bluecollar wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 2:57 pm Father of a '27 here, so am just trying to better understand what (might) happen next year. I have two related questions:

Let's assume there will be about 1,000 D1 commits. Does it break down something like: 500 committed by October 1, 800 by November 1, 900 by December 1, etc.? Or does it string out longer? Is there is pattern across the last few years?

If you're not in the initial wave of comms (September), would you ever get reach outs? Is there a second wave of reach-outs? Or does that mean you should move on considering D3?

Thanks.

Usually by the end of October, most if not all of D1 offers dry up. If you aren't extended an offer by this time, safe to say it's time to move on. All you can do is make your interest known should a spot open up. Sometimes Injuries, decommits, or life situations may lead an opening for an offer. But even those are often very competitive, as you could have alot of other players vying for it.

Kleizaster wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 3:40 pm

Bluecollar wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 2:57 pm Father of a '27 here, so am just trying to better understand what (might) happen next year. I have two related questions:

Let's assume there will be about 1,000 D1 commits. Does it break down something like: 500 committed by October 1, 800 by November 1, 900 by December 1, etc.? Or does it string out longer? Is there is pattern across the last few years?

If you're not in the initial wave of comms (September), would you ever get reach outs? Is there a second wave of reach-outs? Or does that mean you should move on considering D3?

Thanks.

Usually by the end of October, most if not all of D1 offers dry up. If you aren't extended an offer by this time, safe to say it's time to move on. All you can do is make your interest known should a spot open up. Sometimes Injuries, decommits, or life situations may lead an opening for an offer. But even those are often very competitive, as you could have alot of other players vying for it.

Post-presidents cup, a majority of commits are either MAC, NEC or A-Sun conferences. Some schools may keep a spot open for a girl who they need to see more or need another semester of grade, but those are exceptions. ANd this those cases, they are still talking to the school.

Laxer711 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 1:11 pm

Relax77 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 1:31 am Amazing how Penn State can’t attract big names recruits. Was looking good for a change last year but they went on a run and I think Missy bought herself another year. Looking over her recruit class this year. At the expense of starting this debate again, 1 4. Very popular, good football school, huge network, but once again seems Missy is forced to go shopping at Walmart and Shoprite, getting Great Value and Bowl and Basket items for the dish. Bowl and basket items are good and your dish may be very tasty. But sometimes you need to get Delmonte, or Kraft and other named brands. They do taste better .

Long time fan, first time poster…I just couldn’t help myself on this one!

Definitely know some great talent who PSU let get away. For what it’s worth, at least 2-3 solid girls we know got hosed by the late August assistant coaching change. Looking at their 26 recruits, seems like they got a lot of the girls that were probably heading to Delaware and made a sharp turn to Happy Valley .

Steph is awesome. I would love for her to get tht job at PSU when Missy is finally done/let go. But that’s an issue if Penn State is grabbing kids that were heading to Delaware.

Laxer711 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 1:11 pm

Relax77 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 1:31 am Amazing how Penn State can’t attract big names recruits. Was looking good for a change last year but they went on a run and I think Missy bought herself another year. Looking over her recruit class this year. At the expense of starting this debate again, 1 4. Very popular, good football school, huge network, but once again seems Missy is forced to go shopping at Walmart and Shoprite, getting Great Value and Bowl and Basket items for the dish. Bowl and basket items are good and your dish may be very tasty. But sometimes you need to get Delmonte, or Kraft and other named brands. They do taste better .

Long time fan, first time poster…I just couldn’t help myself on this one!

Definitely know some great talent who PSU let get away. For what it’s worth, at least 2-3 solid girls we know got hosed by the late August assistant coaching change. Looking at their 26 recruits, seems like they got a lot of the girls that were probably heading to Delaware and made a sharp turn to Happy Valley .

I can tell you are frustrated by PSU's recruiting class, with (at best) only 1 real top notch recruit. However, let me ask this -- Is PSU's recruiting class any worse than Rutgers? Is it worse than JMU? Is it worse than UMass? These are the real comparable teams. Not sure it is realistic to ask for a top 15 recruiting class, when they have never a consistent top 15 team.

They are team in the bottom 10 of the top 25 and that means that you don't get top 100 players, most of the players are probably ranked 150-300 -- Girls that get invited to BIC or Juniros Open, but aren't standouts when they are there and that's pretty much what Penn State recruited.

LiveLaxLove wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 8:22 pm

SpartansRule wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 4:59 pm Agreed on the financial aid piece. The rep that they are a lot more expensive is just inaccurate in our experience.

You're definitely right. Northwestern is the most expensive college in the nation, with Boston College not far behind. I can't imagine have even 50% of that debt per year waiting on me after graduation.

https://www.bestcolleges.com/research/m ... -colleges/

Need to factor in aid. Who buys based on list price?

“NU retained the 15th spot for Best Value School, which is calculated using its U.S. News college ranking and cost of attendance for an average out-of-state student “who received the average level of need-based financial aid.”

LaxDadMax wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 9:52 pm

Laxer711 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 1:11 pm

Relax77 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 1:31 am Amazing how Penn State can’t attract big names recruits. Was looking good for a change last year but they went on a run and I think Missy bought herself another year. Looking over her recruit class this year. At the expense of starting this debate again, 1 4. Very popular, good football school, huge network, but once again seems Missy is forced to go shopping at Walmart and Shoprite, getting Great Value and Bowl and Basket items for the dish. Bowl and basket items are good and your dish may be very tasty. But sometimes you need to get Delmonte, or Kraft and other named brands. They do taste better .

Long time fan, first time poster…I just couldn’t help myself on this one!

Definitely know some great talent who PSU let get away. For what it’s worth, at least 2-3 solid girls we know got hosed by the late August assistant coaching change. Looking at their 26 recruits, seems like they got a lot of the girls that were probably heading to Delaware and made a sharp turn to Happy Valley .

I can tell you are frustrated by PSU's recruiting class, with (at best) only 1 real top notch recruit. However, let me ask this -- Is PSU's recruiting class any worse than Rutgers? Is it worse than JMU? Is it worse than UMass? These are the real comparable teams. Not sure it is realistic to ask for a top 15 recruiting class, when they have never a consistent top 15 team.

They are team in the bottom 10 of the top 25 and that means that you don't get top 100 players, most of the players are probably ranked 150-300 -- Girls that get invited to BIC or Juniros Open, but aren't standouts when they are there and that's pretty much what Penn State recruited.

Yep. But that’s the problem and was my point of the original post. They shouldn’t be.

NULax2 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 3:54 am

LiveLaxLove wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 8:22 pm

SpartansRule wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 4:59 pm Agreed on the financial aid piece. The rep that they are a lot more expensive is just inaccurate in our experience.

You're definitely right. Northwestern is the most expensive college in the nation, with Boston College not far behind. I can't imagine have even 50% of that debt per year waiting on me after graduation.

https://www.bestcolleges.com/research/m ... -colleges/

Need to factor in aid. Who buys based on list price?

“NU retained the 15th spot for Best Value School, which is calculated using its U.S. News college ranking and cost of attendance for an average out-of-state student “who received the average level of need-based financial aid.”

FAFSA AID? My guess is many going to BC and Northwestern are not qualifying for federal aid.
A lot of these schools offer offer merit to all students so there 'Sticker Price" is 75k but all athletes with a GPA above 3.0 get Merit of like 15K (or more) and increase to like 20k(or more) if 4.0 etc. They stack the merit on top of the athletic offer and many times the merit is higher or equal to the athletic. So for example 75K - 15K merit and -20K Athletic bring it down to 40K. Multiply that by 4 and that kid has large student loan to pay off unless their parents are paying.
Would you rather have $160K loans/out of pocket for a BC or Northwestern Degree or go to a decent state school like Maryland, Virginia and come out with 60-80K debt?
You could also say the same about Fairfield, Georgetown, Richmond, Vanderbilt, Davidson, Holy Cross or go to Penn State, UMASS, UCONN and come out with way less debt.

MSLAX5 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 7:49 am

NULax2 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 3:54 am

LiveLaxLove wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 8:22 pm

SpartansRule wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 4:59 pm Agreed on the financial aid piece. The rep that they are a lot more expensive is just inaccurate in our experience.

You're definitely right. Northwestern is the most expensive college in the nation, with Boston College not far behind. I can't imagine have even 50% of that debt per year waiting on me after graduation.

https://www.bestcolleges.com/research/m ... -colleges/

Need to factor in aid. Who buys based on list price?

“NU retained the 15th spot for Best Value School, which is calculated using its U.S. News college ranking and cost of attendance for an average out-of-state student “who received the average level of need-based financial aid.”

FAFSA AID? My guess is many going to BC and Northwestern are not qualifying for federal aid.
A lot of these schools offer offer merit to all students so there 'Sticker Price" is 75k but all athletes with a GPA above 3.0 get Merit of like 15K (or more) and increase to like 20k(or more) if 4.0 etc. They stack the merit on top of the athletic offer and many times the merit is higher or equal to the athletic. So for example 75K - 15K merit and -20K Athletic bring it down to 40K. Multiply that by 4 and that kid has large student loan to pay off unless their parents are paying.
Would you rather have $160K loans/out of pocket for a BC or Northwestern Degree or go to a decent state school like Maryland, Virginia and come out with 60-80K debt?
You could also say the same about Fairfield, Georgetown, Richmond, Vanderbilt, Davidson, Holy Cross or go to Penn State, UMASS, UCONN and come out with way less debt.

... or go to Florida or Clemson where most are getting *full* (not just tuition) scholarships and graduate with no debt?

Relax77 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 6:17 am

LaxDadMax wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 9:52 pm

Laxer711 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 1:11 pm

Relax77 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 1:31 am Amazing how Penn State can’t attract big names recruits. Was looking good for a change last year but they went on a run and I think Missy bought herself another year. Looking over her recruit class this year. At the expense of starting this debate again, 1 4. Very popular, good football school, huge network, but once again seems Missy is forced to go shopping at Walmart and Shoprite, getting Great Value and Bowl and Basket items for the dish. Bowl and basket items are good and your dish may be very tasty. But sometimes you need to get Delmonte, or Kraft and other named brands. They do taste better .

Long time fan, first time poster…I just couldn’t help myself on this one!

Definitely know some great talent who PSU let get away. For what it’s worth, at least 2-3 solid girls we know got hosed by the late August assistant coaching change. Looking at their 26 recruits, seems like they got a lot of the girls that were probably heading to Delaware and made a sharp turn to Happy Valley .

I can tell you are frustrated by PSU's recruiting class, with (at best) only 1 real top notch recruit. However, let me ask this -- Is PSU's recruiting class any worse than Rutgers? Is it worse than JMU? Is it worse than UMass? These are the real comparable teams. Not sure it is realistic to ask for a top 15 recruiting class, when they have never a consistent top 15 team.

They are team in the bottom 10 of the top 25 and that means that you don't get top 100 players, most of the players are probably ranked 150-300 -- Girls that get invited to BIC or Juniros Open, but aren't standouts when they are there and that's pretty much what Penn State recruited.

Yep. But that’s the problem and was my point of the original post. They shouldn’t be.

Should they be better? yes. But let's be honest -- their location limits them a bit. Lots of girls, especially from the Island, Jersey and CT who are used to a more urban life don't want to live in a (admittedly fun) college town in the middle of nowhere. Some will love, but some hate the location. Same reason Cornell can't get the same recruits as Brown.

For a girl with options from Nassau Country, Bergen Country or Connecticut, how many are choosing PSU over Clemson, a similarly ranked program.

For me, the biggest question is why isn't Ohio State recruiting better. Just as big a football school, just as good a college town, much better location and better facilities. My opinion is that Ohio State will be a perenniel top 10 team well below Penn State.

LaxDadMax wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 10:08 am

Relax77 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 6:17 am

LaxDadMax wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 9:52 pm

Laxer711 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 1:11 pm

Relax77 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 1:31 am Amazing how Penn State can’t attract big names recruits. Was looking good for a change last year but they went on a run and I think Missy bought herself another year. Looking over her recruit class this year. At the expense of starting this debate again, 1 4. Very popular, good football school, huge network, but once again seems Missy is forced to go shopping at Walmart and Shoprite, getting Great Value and Bowl and Basket items for the dish. Bowl and basket items are good and your dish may be very tasty. But sometimes you need to get Delmonte, or Kraft and other named brands. They do taste better .

Long time fan, first time poster…I just couldn’t help myself on this one!

Definitely know some great talent who PSU let get away. For what it’s worth, at least 2-3 solid girls we know got hosed by the late August assistant coaching change. Looking at their 26 recruits, seems like they got a lot of the girls that were probably heading to Delaware and made a sharp turn to Happy Valley .

I can tell you are frustrated by PSU's recruiting class, with (at best) only 1 real top notch recruit. However, let me ask this -- Is PSU's recruiting class any worse than Rutgers? Is it worse than JMU? Is it worse than UMass? These are the real comparable teams. Not sure it is realistic to ask for a top 15 recruiting class, when they have never a consistent top 15 team.

They are team in the bottom 10 of the top 25 and that means that you don't get top 100 players, most of the players are probably ranked 150-300 -- Girls that get invited to BIC or Juniros Open, but aren't standouts when they are there and that's pretty much what Penn State recruited.

Yep. But that’s the problem and was my point of the original post. They shouldn’t be.

Should they be better? yes. But let's be honest -- their location limits them a bit. Lots of girls, especially from the Island, Jersey and CT who are used to a more urban life don't want to live in a (admittedly fun) college town in the middle of nowhere. Some will love, but some hate the location. Same reason Cornell can't get the same recruits as Brown.

For a girl with options from Nassau Country, Bergen Country or Connecticut, how many are choosing PSU over Clemson, a similarly ranked program.

For me, the biggest question is why isn't Ohio State recruiting better. Just as big a football school, just as good a college town, much better location and better facilities. My opinion is that Ohio State will be a perenniel top 10 team well below Penn State.

I think your post is fair, but I just think if you win, they will come. Top kids go to Syracuse and that location sucks. So I’m going with they don’t win and that is why they rarely grab any of the top kids any given year. Time for Missy to go and add a coaching staff that younger kids can relate to. If they start winning you may see a change. I agree with Ohio State.

To me the answer is always the same. Ohio State is recognized is the top or near the top of how to run a sports program for most of its programs. Folks always believe that the traditional powers have always been there.But take a closer look at both BC and Northwestern before Hiller and Walker. Folks believe these two schools always supported those two coaches. But dig deeper and you will see how much they built each of these programs with more than just coaching talent. They convinced great players to come and fans to support the team. They increased donations for scholarhships to the programs, and built a belief and excitement that their programs could be the top. Simply, they had visions and worked their tails off in areas most coaches are not as comfortable with -- and built dynasties. Will NW and BC sustain after they are gone -- we would expect so, but cracks in the concrete are normally too small to recognize until the grow larger. A good program is like a piece of fruit -- it is always growing or it is dying -- it never stays the same.

Folks are always talking about the charisma of the NC coach -- and she is fantastic and charasmatic -- no doubt -- but take an unbiased listen to both Hiller and AWW and you will see the same dedication to the athletes, the program, the school they represent -- coaches that have this are rare. But they do exist and for the AD that can find one and support her as she builds the program -- the possibilities are unlimited. If Northwestern and BC can do it -- too private schools with much more limited resources than some of the much larger state schools with very supportive fan bases -- I wold think any school who finds the right coach and gives that coach the resources could do it also. I would also warn any of the schools on top right now never to lose that edge or you can begin a slide that can be difficult to stop.

Ohio State is in a weird position as Bokker did not recruit well. The new coaching staff seems to be doing better but they aren't used to going after top players. I heard the coaches hardly contacted any Ohio girls which is weird and some would go there no question asked and they have a bunch of Ohio players that have helped them. It seems that they are still recruiting like they are still at ECU trying to find some overlooked girls. WIth their facility and athletic support, they should be in the mix. They are in a cycle where the top girls won't look there because the team isn't good enough which keeps the team from being good enough. They should have an advantage once they are able to offer everyone a full scholarship as the athletic department prints money.

So why did so many coaches turn down Ohio State? The pay was probably excellent.

LaxDadMax wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 10:08 am

Should they be better? yes. But let's be honest -- their location limits them a bit. Lots of girls, especially from the Island, Jersey and CT who are used to a more urban life don't want to live in a (admittedly fun) college town in the middle of nowhere. Some will love, but some hate the location. Same reason Cornell can't get the same recruits as Brown.

For a girl with options from Nassau Country, Bergen Country or Connecticut, how many are choosing PSU over Clemson, a similarly ranked program.

For me, the biggest question is why isn't Ohio State recruiting better. Just as big a football school, just as good a college town, much better location and better facilities. My opinion is that Ohio State will be a perenniel top 10 team well below Penn State.

Max your argument is fair, but JMU is/has been up there even winning it all in 18. Similar small town, but much smaller school, with much fewer resources yet are usually hanging around top 10. Schools like PSU really have no excuse.

LiveLaxLove wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:14 pm So why did so many coaches turn down Ohio State? The pay was probably excellent.

Rumor at the time was Billy Olin turned it down and it was 365k

spidey44 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:17 pm

LaxDadMax wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 10:08 am

Should they be better? yes. But let's be honest -- their location limits them a bit. Lots of girls, especially from the Island, Jersey and CT who are used to a more urban life don't want to live in a (admittedly fun) college town in the middle of nowhere. Some will love, but some hate the location. Same reason Cornell can't get the same recruits as Brown.

For a girl with options from Nassau Country, Bergen Country or Connecticut, how many are choosing PSU over Clemson, a similarly ranked program.

For me, the biggest question is why isn't Ohio State recruiting better. Just as big a football school, just as good a college town, much better location and better facilities. My opinion is that Ohio State will be a perenniel top 10 team well below Penn State.

Max your argument is fair, but JMU is/has been up there even winning it all in 18. Similar small town, but much smaller school, with much fewer resources yet are usually hanging around top 10. Schools like PSU really have no excuse.

Coaching..people underrate how excellent coaching and development can make up for a talent gap. JMU is a perfect example. They don't land the best talent, but boy do they get every ounce out of their players. They have an identity, and a way they play, and they stick to it. Stonybrook is another similar school. Programs like that have a structure you think about when they come up.

Penn State?? there is none. They're kind of just all over the place. Talent without structure results in bad teams. Little talent without structure results in bad teams. You must have structure. Until that happens nothing will change for Penn State. See Stanford and Duke and Florida prior to last year

Kleizaster wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 1:19 pm
Coaching..people underrate how excellent coaching and development can make up for a talent gap. JMU is a perfect example. They don't land the best talent, but boy do they get every ounce out of their players. They have an identity, and a way they play, and they stick to it. Stonybrook is another similar school. Programs like that have a structure you think about when they come up.

Penn State?? there is none. They're kind of just all over the place. Talent without structure results in bad teams. Little talent without structure results in bad teams. You must have structure. Until that happens nothing will change for Penn State. See Stanford and Duke and Florida prior to last year

Totally agree! I think that has been a common sentiment when PSU coaching comes up.

spidey44 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 1:24 pm

Kleizaster wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 1:19 pm
Coaching..people underrate how excellent coaching and development can make up for a talent gap. JMU is a perfect example. They don't land the best talent, but boy do they get every ounce out of their players. They have an identity, and a way they play, and they stick to it. Stonybrook is another similar school. Programs like that have a structure you think about when they come up.

Penn State?? there is none. They're kind of just all over the place. Talent without structure results in bad teams. Little talent without structure results in bad teams. You must have structure. Until that happens nothing will change for Penn State. See Stanford and Duke and Florida prior to last year

Totally agree! I think that has been a common sentiment when PSU coaching comes up.

That’s why she loses so many assistants. Not because that’s the norm in college sports which to some degree it is. From what I’ve been told, they leave Doherty so fast because she refuses to take any advice and refuses to implement any change in philosophy. Hope she goes soon. And once she does, if they get the right coach, Penn State will climb back up the rankings

Relax77 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 1:45 pm

spidey44 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 1:24 pm

Kleizaster wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 1:19 pm
Coaching..people underrate how excellent coaching and development can make up for a talent gap. JMU is a perfect example. They don't land the best talent, but boy do they get every ounce out of their players. They have an identity, and a way they play, and they stick to it. Stonybrook is another similar school. Programs like that have a structure you think about when they come up.

Penn State?? there is none. They're kind of just all over the place. Talent without structure results in bad teams. Little talent without structure results in bad teams. You must have structure. Until that happens nothing will change for Penn State. See Stanford and Duke and Florida prior to last year

Totally agree! I think that has been a common sentiment when PSU coaching comes up.

That’s why she loses so many assistants. Not because that’s the norm in college sports which to some degree it is. From what I’ve been told, they leave Doherty so fast because she refuses to take any advice and refuses to implement any change in philosophy. Hope she goes soon. And once she does, if they get the right coach, Penn State will climb back up the rankings

I've heard in the last couple years she threw the assistants under the bus to save her job. Essentially got rid of them because they were the reason for not meeting expectations. And I guess admin bought it. Don't know if that's 100% true, but wouldn't surprise me at all.

Relax77 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:58 pm

LiveLaxLove wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 12:14 pm So why did so many coaches turn down Ohio State? The pay was probably excellent.

Rumor at the time was Billy Olin turned it down and it was 365k

Anyone interested in the salary can easily find it online.