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Bart wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:22 am

SCLaxAttack wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:55 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:18 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:40 pm https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/323 ... ources-say

The train is leaving.

guarantee continued education on the safety of the vaccine was pulled down from the internet and not the library of congress.

Everyone suddenly becomes smart when their money’s at risk.

Went to my Dr’s office today, part of the NC Novant system that let 175 employees go earlier this week for not following their implemented vaccination rules. According to the PA I always see, six people at this particular office had a change of heart and vaccinated when they realized their employer was serious.

Time to charge the unvaccinated more for their health insurance.

Of course this is just anecdotal.

Glad to hear where you live this is not having an effect on patient care. Not so much around here where the knuckle dragging mouth breathers must reside. Certainly is different, from what I can gather, between downstate NY and Upstate/Western NY.

URMC canceled elective surgeries for a couple of weeks and closed several urgent care.
FFTH same.

I know one hospital that had 18 of 24 ER beds full with patients waiting to get beds in the hospital. Hospital is full, not completely with COVID patients (there are some) but with patients waiting for beds in rehab/nursing home facilities. Seems that in the area there are over 20 or so that are not taking new patients due to staffing shortages. Back up is into the Hospital.

The number of job openings at the local Hospital is 3X the normal.

But mandates do seem to work. Wife's department is now 100% vaccinated! That is after the one nurse and several techs were let go but they are at 100$% now! (I'm not counting the ones with exemptions)

People should be vaccinated. But to cut health care workers during a pandemic seems rather silly to me. There are other work arounds that would have less impact on patient care, IMO.

Much like your example, this is just anecdotal from one small slice of NYS heaven.

Bart wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:22 am

SCLaxAttack wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:55 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:18 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:40 pm https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/323 ... ources-say

The train is leaving.

guarantee continued education on the safety of the vaccine was pulled down from the internet and not the library of congress.

Everyone suddenly becomes smart when their money’s at risk.

Went to my Dr’s office today, part of the NC Novant system that let 175 employees go earlier this week for not following their implemented vaccination rules. According to the PA I always see, six people at this particular office had a change of heart and vaccinated when they realized their employer was serious.

Time to charge the unvaccinated more for their health insurance.

Of course this is just anecdotal.

Glad to hear where you live this is not having an effect on patient care. Not so much around here where the knuckle dragging mouth breathers must reside. Certainly is different, from what I can gather, between downstate NY and Upstate/Western NY.

URMC canceled elective surgeries for a couple of weeks and closed several urgent care.
FFTH same.

I know one hospital that had 18 of 24 ER beds full with patients waiting to get beds in the hospital. Hospital is full, not completely with COVID patients (there are some) but with patients waiting for beds in rehab/nursing home facilities. Seems that in the area there are over 20 or so that are not taking new patients due to staffing shortages. Back up is into the Hospital.

The number of job openings at the local Hospital is 3X the normal.

But mandates do seem to work. Wife's department is now 100% vaccinated! That is after the one nurse and several techs were let go but they are at 100$% now! (I'm not counting the ones with exemptions)

People should be vaccinated. But to cut health care workers during a pandemic seems rather silly to me. There are other work arounds that would have less impact on patient care, IMO.

Much like your example, this is just anecdotal from one small slice of NYS heaven.

tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:04 am

Bart wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:22 am

SCLaxAttack wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:55 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:18 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:40 pm https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/323 ... ources-say

The train is leaving.

guarantee continued education on the safety of the vaccine was pulled down from the internet and not the library of congress.

Everyone suddenly becomes smart when their money’s at risk.

Went to my Dr’s office today, part of the NC Novant system that let 175 employees go earlier this week for not following their implemented vaccination rules. According to the PA I always see, six people at this particular office had a change of heart and vaccinated when they realized their employer was serious.

Time to charge the unvaccinated more for their health insurance.

Of course this is just anecdotal.

Glad to hear where you live this is not having an effect on patient care. Not so much around here where the knuckle dragging mouth breathers must reside. Certainly is different, from what I can gather, between downstate NY and Upstate/Western NY.

URMC canceled elective surgeries for a couple of weeks and closed several urgent care.
FFTH same.

I know one hospital that had 18 of 24 ER beds full with patients waiting to get beds in the hospital. Hospital is full, not completely with COVID patients (there are some) but with patients waiting for beds in rehab/nursing home facilities. Seems that in the area there are over 20 or so that are not taking new patients due to staffing shortages. Back up is into the Hospital.

The number of job openings at the local Hospital is 3X the normal.

But mandates do seem to work. Wife's department is now 100% vaccinated! That is after the one nurse and several techs were let go but they are at 100$% now! (I'm not counting the ones with exemptions)

People should be vaccinated. But to cut health care workers during a pandemic seems rather silly to me. There are other work arounds that would have less impact on patient care, IMO.

Much like your example, this is just anecdotal from one small slice of NYS heaven.

Well said Bart.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:09 am Some good news.

https://apnews.com/article/merck-says-e ... 6a0fffcc60

This may cannibalize Ivermectin sales but Merck is all in.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:02 am

Bart wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:22 am

SCLaxAttack wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:55 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:18 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:40 pm https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/323 ... ources-say

The train is leaving.

guarantee continued education on the safety of the vaccine was pulled down from the internet and not the library of congress.

Everyone suddenly becomes smart when their money’s at risk.

Went to my Dr’s office today, part of the NC Novant system that let 175 employees go earlier this week for not following their implemented vaccination rules. According to the PA I always see, six people at this particular office had a change of heart and vaccinated when they realized their employer was serious.

Time to charge the unvaccinated more for their health insurance.

Of course this is just anecdotal.

Glad to hear where you live this is not having an effect on patient care. Not so much around here where the knuckle dragging mouth breathers must reside. Certainly is different, from what I can gather, between downstate NY and Upstate/Western NY.

URMC canceled elective surgeries for a couple of weeks and closed several urgent care.
FFTH same.

I know one hospital that had 18 of 24 ER beds full with patients waiting to get beds in the hospital. Hospital is full, not completely with COVID patients (there are some) but with patients waiting for beds in rehab/nursing home facilities. Seems that in the area there are over 20 or so that are not taking new patients due to staffing shortages. Back up is into the Hospital.

The number of job openings at the local Hospital is 3X the normal.

But mandates do seem to work. Wife's department is now 100% vaccinated! That is after the one nurse and several techs were let go but they are at 100$% now! (I'm not counting the ones with exemptions)

People should be vaccinated. But to cut health care workers during a pandemic seems rather silly to me. There are other work arounds that would have less impact on patient care, IMO.

Much like your example, this is just anecdotal from one small slice of NYS heaven.

If you work in a hospital and don’t want to get vaccinated, you may also not want to wash your hands. I wouldn’t trust their judgement.

‘Dem hospitals: https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/v ... rooms-fast

tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:23 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:09 am Some good news.

https://apnews.com/article/merck-says-e ... 6a0fffcc60

This may cannibalize Ivermectin sales but Merck is all in.

Good morning clown... how's your Merck stock do'in?

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:09 am Some good news.

https://apnews.com/article/merck-says-e ... 6a0fffcc60

This may cannibalize Ivermectin sales but Merck is all in.

Bart wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:24 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:02 am

Bart wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:22 am

SCLaxAttack wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:55 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:18 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:40 pm https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/323 ... ources-say

The train is leaving.

guarantee continued education on the safety of the vaccine was pulled down from the internet and not the library of congress.

Everyone suddenly becomes smart when their money’s at risk.

Went to my Dr’s office today, part of the NC Novant system that let 175 employees go earlier this week for not following their implemented vaccination rules. According to the PA I always see, six people at this particular office had a change of heart and vaccinated when they realized their employer was serious.

Time to charge the unvaccinated more for their health insurance.

Of course this is just anecdotal.

Glad to hear where you live this is not having an effect on patient care. Not so much around here where the knuckle dragging mouth breathers must reside. Certainly is different, from what I can gather, between downstate NY and Upstate/Western NY.

URMC canceled elective surgeries for a couple of weeks and closed several urgent care.
FFTH same.

I know one hospital that had 18 of 24 ER beds full with patients waiting to get beds in the hospital. Hospital is full, not completely with COVID patients (there are some) but with patients waiting for beds in rehab/nursing home facilities. Seems that in the area there are over 20 or so that are not taking new patients due to staffing shortages. Back up is into the Hospital.

The number of job openings at the local Hospital is 3X the normal.

But mandates do seem to work. Wife's department is now 100% vaccinated! That is after the one nurse and several techs were let go but they are at 100$% now! (I'm not counting the ones with exemptions)

People should be vaccinated. But to cut health care workers during a pandemic seems rather silly to me. There are other work arounds that would have less impact on patient care, IMO.

Much like your example, this is just anecdotal from one small slice of NYS heaven.

If you work in a hospital and don’t want to get vaccinated, you may also not want to wash your hands. I wouldn’t trust their judgement.

‘Dem hospitals: https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/v ... rooms-fast

How you going to delineate between the judgement of a health care worker who got the shot due to believing in the science and one who got it so they would not loose their job?

Bart wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:26 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:09 am Some good news.

https://apnews.com/article/merck-says-e ... 6a0fffcc60

This may cannibalize Ivermectin sales but Merck is all in.

yep. Very promising.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:27 am

Bart wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:24 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:02 am

Bart wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:22 am

SCLaxAttack wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:55 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:18 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:40 pm https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/323 ... ources-say

The train is leaving.

guarantee continued education on the safety of the vaccine was pulled down from the internet and not the library of congress.

Everyone suddenly becomes smart when their money’s at risk.

Went to my Dr’s office today, part of the NC Novant system that let 175 employees go earlier this week for not following their implemented vaccination rules. According to the PA I always see, six people at this particular office had a change of heart and vaccinated when they realized their employer was serious.

Time to charge the unvaccinated more for their health insurance.

Of course this is just anecdotal.

Glad to hear where you live this is not having an effect on patient care. Not so much around here where the knuckle dragging mouth breathers must reside. Certainly is different, from what I can gather, between downstate NY and Upstate/Western NY.

URMC canceled elective surgeries for a couple of weeks and closed several urgent care.
FFTH same.

I know one hospital that had 18 of 24 ER beds full with patients waiting to get beds in the hospital. Hospital is full, not completely with COVID patients (there are some) but with patients waiting for beds in rehab/nursing home facilities. Seems that in the area there are over 20 or so that are not taking new patients due to staffing shortages. Back up is into the Hospital.

The number of job openings at the local Hospital is 3X the normal.

But mandates do seem to work. Wife's department is now 100% vaccinated! That is after the one nurse and several techs were let go but they are at 100$% now! (I'm not counting the ones with exemptions)

People should be vaccinated. But to cut health care workers during a pandemic seems rather silly to me. There are other work arounds that would have less impact on patient care, IMO.

Much like your example, this is just anecdotal from one small slice of NYS heaven.

If you work in a hospital and don’t want to get vaccinated, you may also not want to wash your hands. I wouldn’t trust their judgement.

‘Dem hospitals: https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/v ... rooms-fast

How you going to delineate between the judgement of a health care worker who got the shot due to believing in the science and one who got it so they would not loose their job?

I was joking…..but a person deciding not to lose their job over a drug that has been medically proven to be safe and effective is a probably a good decision maker. The ones that get canned might not be.

tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:39 am Why Are Highly Vaxxed Colleges Implementing Strict COVID Policies?

https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vi ... definition

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:28 am

Bart wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:26 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:09 am Some good news.

https://apnews.com/article/merck-says-e ... 6a0fffcc60

This may cannibalize Ivermectin sales but Merck is all in.

yep. Very promising.

Keeping my fingers crossed. I mentioned I knew guys that got to phase 3 with a repurposed drug that did work out. I am hoping this works.

Bart wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:46 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:27 am

Bart wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:24 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:02 am

Bart wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:22 am

SCLaxAttack wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:55 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:18 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:40 pm https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/323 ... ources-say

The train is leaving.

guarantee continued education on the safety of the vaccine was pulled down from the internet and not the library of congress.

Everyone suddenly becomes smart when their money’s at risk.

Went to my Dr’s office today, part of the NC Novant system that let 175 employees go earlier this week for not following their implemented vaccination rules. According to the PA I always see, six people at this particular office had a change of heart and vaccinated when they realized their employer was serious.

Time to charge the unvaccinated more for their health insurance.

Of course this is just anecdotal.

Glad to hear where you live this is not having an effect on patient care. Not so much around here where the knuckle dragging mouth breathers must reside. Certainly is different, from what I can gather, between downstate NY and Upstate/Western NY.

URMC canceled elective surgeries for a couple of weeks and closed several urgent care.
FFTH same.

I know one hospital that had 18 of 24 ER beds full with patients waiting to get beds in the hospital. Hospital is full, not completely with COVID patients (there are some) but with patients waiting for beds in rehab/nursing home facilities. Seems that in the area there are over 20 or so that are not taking new patients due to staffing shortages. Back up is into the Hospital.

The number of job openings at the local Hospital is 3X the normal.

But mandates do seem to work. Wife's department is now 100% vaccinated! That is after the one nurse and several techs were let go but they are at 100$% now! (I'm not counting the ones with exemptions)

People should be vaccinated. But to cut health care workers during a pandemic seems rather silly to me. There are other work arounds that would have less impact on patient care, IMO.

Much like your example, this is just anecdotal from one small slice of NYS heaven.

If you work in a hospital and don’t want to get vaccinated, you may also not want to wash your hands. I wouldn’t trust their judgement.

‘Dem hospitals: https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/v ... rooms-fast

How you going to delineate between the judgement of a health care worker who got the shot due to believing in the science and one who got it so they would not loose their job?

I was joking…..but a person deciding not to lose their job over a drug that has been medically proven to be safe and effective is a probably a good decision maker. The ones that get canned might not be.

I just do not see it that cut and dry.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:49 am

Bart wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:46 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:27 am

Bart wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:24 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:02 am

Bart wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:22 am

SCLaxAttack wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:55 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:18 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:40 pm https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/323 ... ources-say

The train is leaving.

guarantee continued education on the safety of the vaccine was pulled down from the internet and not the library of congress.

Everyone suddenly becomes smart when their money’s at risk.

Went to my Dr’s office today, part of the NC Novant system that let 175 employees go earlier this week for not following their implemented vaccination rules. According to the PA I always see, six people at this particular office had a change of heart and vaccinated when they realized their employer was serious.

Time to charge the unvaccinated more for their health insurance.

Of course this is just anecdotal.

Glad to hear where you live this is not having an effect on patient care. Not so much around here where the knuckle dragging mouth breathers must reside. Certainly is different, from what I can gather, between downstate NY and Upstate/Western NY.

URMC canceled elective surgeries for a couple of weeks and closed several urgent care.
FFTH same.

I know one hospital that had 18 of 24 ER beds full with patients waiting to get beds in the hospital. Hospital is full, not completely with COVID patients (there are some) but with patients waiting for beds in rehab/nursing home facilities. Seems that in the area there are over 20 or so that are not taking new patients due to staffing shortages. Back up is into the Hospital.

The number of job openings at the local Hospital is 3X the normal.

But mandates do seem to work. Wife's department is now 100% vaccinated! That is after the one nurse and several techs were let go but they are at 100$% now! (I'm not counting the ones with exemptions)

People should be vaccinated. But to cut health care workers during a pandemic seems rather silly to me. There are other work arounds that would have less impact on patient care, IMO.

Much like your example, this is just anecdotal from one small slice of NYS heaven.

If you work in a hospital and don’t want to get vaccinated, you may also not want to wash your hands. I wouldn’t trust their judgement.

‘Dem hospitals: https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/v ... rooms-fast

How you going to delineate between the judgement of a health care worker who got the shot due to believing in the science and one who got it so they would not loose their job?

I was joking…..but a person deciding not to lose their job over a drug that has been medically proven to be safe and effective is a probably a good decision maker. The ones that get canned might not be.

I just do not see it that cut and dry.

Been on the phone frequently with a guy that is probably my best friend. He is worried that his job is going to mandate the vaccine. He has no rational reason for not getting vaccinated. I am assuming a lot of folks are like that. Some sort of medical reason is reasonable. “We don’t know how some people get cancer so we don’t know what the vaccine may cause” is not. Its cut and dry for me.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:49 am

Bart wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:46 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:27 am

Bart wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:24 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:02 am

Bart wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:22 am

SCLaxAttack wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:55 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:18 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:40 pm https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/323 ... ources-say

The train is leaving.

guarantee continued education on the safety of the vaccine was pulled down from the internet and not the library of congress.

Everyone suddenly becomes smart when their money’s at risk.

Went to my Dr’s office today, part of the NC Novant system that let 175 employees go earlier this week for not following their implemented vaccination rules. According to the PA I always see, six people at this particular office had a change of heart and vaccinated when they realized their employer was serious.

Time to charge the unvaccinated more for their health insurance.

Of course this is just anecdotal.

Glad to hear where you live this is not having an effect on patient care. Not so much around here where the knuckle dragging mouth breathers must reside. Certainly is different, from what I can gather, between downstate NY and Upstate/Western NY.

URMC canceled elective surgeries for a couple of weeks and closed several urgent care.
FFTH same.

I know one hospital that had 18 of 24 ER beds full with patients waiting to get beds in the hospital. Hospital is full, not completely with COVID patients (there are some) but with patients waiting for beds in rehab/nursing home facilities. Seems that in the area there are over 20 or so that are not taking new patients due to staffing shortages. Back up is into the Hospital.

The number of job openings at the local Hospital is 3X the normal.

But mandates do seem to work. Wife's department is now 100% vaccinated! That is after the one nurse and several techs were let go but they are at 100$% now! (I'm not counting the ones with exemptions)

People should be vaccinated. But to cut health care workers during a pandemic seems rather silly to me. There are other work arounds that would have less impact on patient care, IMO.

Much like your example, this is just anecdotal from one small slice of NYS heaven.

If you work in a hospital and don’t want to get vaccinated, you may also not want to wash your hands. I wouldn’t trust their judgement.

‘Dem hospitals: https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/v ... rooms-fast

How you going to delineate between the judgement of a health care worker who got the shot due to believing in the science and one who got it so they would not loose their job?

I was joking…..but a person deciding not to lose their job over a drug that has been medically proven to be safe and effective is a probably a good decision maker. The ones that get canned might not be.

I just do not see it that cut and dry.

Been on the phone frequently with a guy that is probably my best friend. He is worried that his job is going to mandate the vaccine. He has no rational reason for not getting vaccinated. I am assuming a lot of folks are like that. Some sort of medical reason is reasonable. “We don’t know how some people get cancer so we don’t know what the vaccine may cause” is not. Its cut and dry for me.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:46 am

tech37 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:39 am Why Are Highly Vaxxed Colleges Implementing Strict COVID Policies?

https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vi ... definition

What’s happening at Coppin State?

wgdsr wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:20 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:49 am

Bart wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:46 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:27 am

Bart wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:24 am

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:02 am

Bart wrote: ↑Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:22 am

SCLaxAttack wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:55 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 10:18 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:40 pm https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/323 ... ources-say

The train is leaving.

guarantee continued education on the safety of the vaccine was pulled down from the internet and not the library of congress.

Everyone suddenly becomes smart when their money’s at risk.

Went to my Dr’s office today, part of the NC Novant system that let 175 employees go earlier this week for not following their implemented vaccination rules. According to the PA I always see, six people at this particular office had a change of heart and vaccinated when they realized their employer was serious.

Time to charge the unvaccinated more for their health insurance.

Of course this is just anecdotal.

Glad to hear where you live this is not having an effect on patient care. Not so much around here where the knuckle dragging mouth breathers must reside. Certainly is different, from what I can gather, between downstate NY and Upstate/Western NY.

URMC canceled elective surgeries for a couple of weeks and closed several urgent care.
FFTH same.

I know one hospital that had 18 of 24 ER beds full with patients waiting to get beds in the hospital. Hospital is full, not completely with COVID patients (there are some) but with patients waiting for beds in rehab/nursing home facilities. Seems that in the area there are over 20 or so that are not taking new patients due to staffing shortages. Back up is into the Hospital.

The number of job openings at the local Hospital is 3X the normal.

But mandates do seem to work. Wife's department is now 100% vaccinated! That is after the one nurse and several techs were let go but they are at 100$% now! (I'm not counting the ones with exemptions)

People should be vaccinated. But to cut health care workers during a pandemic seems rather silly to me. There are other work arounds that would have less impact on patient care, IMO.

Much like your example, this is just anecdotal from one small slice of NYS heaven.

If you work in a hospital and don’t want to get vaccinated, you may also not want to wash your hands. I wouldn’t trust their judgement.

‘Dem hospitals: https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/v ... rooms-fast

How you going to delineate between the judgement of a health care worker who got the shot due to believing in the science and one who got it so they would not loose their job?

I was joking…..but a person deciding not to lose their job over a drug that has been medically proven to be safe and effective is a probably a good decision maker. The ones that get canned might not be.

I just do not see it that cut and dry.

Been on the phone frequently with a guy that is probably my best friend. He is worried that his job is going to mandate the vaccine. He has no rational reason for not getting vaccinated. I am assuming a lot of folks are like that. Some sort of medical reason is reasonable. “We don’t know how some people get cancer so we don’t know what the vaccine may cause” is not. Its cut and dry for me.

you could've stopped at the 1st sentence for his bio on decision making.

California professor loses case arguing natural immunity negates vaccine mandate
By Adela Suliman7:52 a.m.


A professor at the University of California at Irvine School of Medicine has lost a legal battle in which he argued that he did not have to comply with a vaccine mandate due to having natural immunity and a high level of coronavirus antibodies following an infection.

District Judge James Selna in Santa Ana, Calif., dismissed the teacher’s argument and found in favor of the university, in a ruling that appears to be the first of its kind on the matter and represents an issue that may crop up elsewhere in the country amid vaccine mandates.

The judge held that the university’s vaccine mandate was a rational decision to protect public health. The university introduced the mandate in July for all students, faculty and staff before permitting them on campus, in a bid to ensure the “safety and well-being of the entire university community.” The policy allows exemptions on religious or medical grounds.

Earlier this week, a group of Republican lawmakers who are also doctors wrote to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention urging it to “recognize natural immunity.” They argued that the vaccine mandates as they are could lead to a shortage of staff with impacts on businesses, schools and the military.

“We strongly urge the CDC to acknowledge infection-acquired immunity in addition to vaccine-acquired immunity,” the letter led by Sen. Roger Marshall (R-Kan.) said.