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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 8:02 pm
E-verify can be evaded.
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/st ... -around-it

State laws don't control illegal entry.
:lol: :lol: so can drug trafficking, prostitution and child molestation…
They don't have to be evaded. they can enter via bogus asylum claims.
...& there's no one to catch the gotaways because CBP is overwhelmed administering catch & release to the phony asylum seekers.
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old salt wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 12:05 am :lol: ...no matter what Trump did, or tried to do, you'll never give him credit.
He ran on a campaign of fear and hate. The LEAST he could have done if fix the problem that he scared you with, OS.

I've given him credit dozens of times, for dozens of things over his tenure. Sell your TDS to someone else.
old salt wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 12:05 am But look what's happened since he left office,
Nope. I. don't. care. Neither do you. If you did, you would have been all over Trump to fix the problem.

Instead, all you do is whine when a D is in office, and stop whining when a R is there......meanwhile, nothing has changed regardless of party.

You've been doing this for over a decade now. Funny thing is....you know you do this. You just trundle on.

So sure, Biden bad. Any other interesting comments from you that I can't get from RightWIngMedia?

old salt wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 12:05 am State labor laws & E-verify are evaded via phony documents.
So where was this complaint when Trump was in office, on his spending spree, and could actually fix the problem?

:lol: How many more times are you planning on getting caught making complaints you "forgot" to make when your guy was in charge, and used reconciliation to write a check for as much money as he liked to update Everify?

Oh, that's right......you didn't care that Trump didn't update Everify to your liking, because the minute that little R arrives, you shut down, stop thinking, stop criticizing, and just slurp up what your media feed tells you to think for four years. So sure: Biden bad.

old salt wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 12:05 am The influx is never going to be controllable until our asylum laws are changed & brought to the same standard as other nations in our hemisphere & economic migrants are no longer admitted & released under phony claims of "credible fear", then released to roam free, melt into the underground economy, never check in with ICE or skip their hearing years later & remain untouched in sanctuary jurisdictions. It's all a scam to legitimate an open border policy. If we address the asylum law loopholes, then our immigration services won't be overwhelmed & legit worker shortages can be addressed through legal means.
So you're just adding to the list of stuff Trump didn't fix? Neat.

Here's the thing: Biden doesn't care. Just like you guys and guns. So either get your team to fix it, or stop wasting your time with "Dems are bad".
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old salt wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 12:13 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 8:02 pm
E-verify can be evaded.
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/st ... -around-it

State laws don't control illegal entry.
:lol: :lol: so can drug trafficking, prostitution and child molestation…
They don't have to be evaded. they can enter via bogus asylum claims.
...& there's no one to catch the gotaways because CBP is overwhelmed administering catch & release to the phony asylum seekers.
Sent this to a friend of mine 2 days ago that sits at home and watches the news all day….

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil. ... show-court
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a fan wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 1:01 am
old salt wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 12:05 am :lol: ...no matter what Trump did, or tried to do, you'll never give him credit.
He ran on a campaign of fear and hate. The LEAST he could have done if fix the problem that he scared you with, OS.

I've given him credit dozens of times, for dozens of things over his tenure. Sell your TDS to someone else.
old salt wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 12:05 am But look what's happened since he left office,
Nope. I. don't. care. Neither do you. If you did, you would have been all over Trump to fix the problem.

Instead, all you do is whine when a D is in office, and stop whining when a R is there......meanwhile, nothing has changed regardless of party.

You've been doing this for over a decade now. Funny thing is....you know you do this. You just trundle on.

So sure, Biden bad. Any other interesting comments from you that I can't get from RightWIngMedia?

old salt wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 12:05 am State labor laws & E-verify are evaded via phony documents.
So where was this complaint when Trump was in office, on his spending spree, and could actually fix the problem?

:lol: How many more times are you planning on getting caught making complaints you "forgot" to make when your guy was in charge, and used reconciliation to write a check for as much money as he liked to update Everify?

Oh, that's right......you didn't care that Trump didn't update Everify to your liking, because the minute that little R arrives, you shut down, stop thinking, stop criticizing, and just slurp up what your media feed tells you to think for four years. So sure: Biden bad.

old salt wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 12:05 am The influx is never going to be controllable until our asylum laws are changed & brought to the same standard as other nations in our hemisphere & economic migrants are no longer admitted & released under phony claims of "credible fear", then released to roam free, melt into the underground economy, never check in with ICE or skip their hearing years later & remain untouched in sanctuary jurisdictions. It's all a scam to legitimate an open border policy. If we address the asylum law loopholes, then our immigration services won't be overwhelmed & legit worker shortages can be addressed through legal means.
So you're just adding to the list of stuff Trump didn't fix? Neat.

Here's the thing: Biden doesn't care. Just like you guys and guns. So either get your team to fix it, or stop wasting your time with "Dems are bad".
I said all this same stuff when Trump was in office. When he met with Congressional leaders trying to get the bill that Graham had proposed passed.
The Dems stormed out of the meeting & went crying to the press about his sh!thole country remark. He still did everything in his power to stop the flow & the courts had to tell him to stop.

You know that E-verify won't fix the problem & it can't be immediately enforced everywhere or the economy would grind to a halt. Once we get control of the border & staunch the inflow, E-verify is one tool we can use to legitimize the illegals who are working here now.

Nothing can be changed until we get control of the border, & we're losing more control now with lifting Title 42 & releasing everyone with no way to keep track of them or adjudicate their asylum claim if they don't voluntarily show up for a hearing years down the road.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 2:36 am
old salt wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 12:13 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 8:02 pm
E-verify can be evaded.
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/st ... -around-it

State laws don't control illegal entry.
:lol: :lol: so can drug trafficking, prostitution and child molestation…
They don't have to be evaded. they can enter via bogus asylum claims.
...& there's no one to catch the gotaways because CBP is overwhelmed administering catch & release to the phony asylum seekers.
Sent this to a friend of mine 2 days ago that sits at home and watches the news all day….

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil. ... show-court
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/04/factc ... ttendance/
...based on data from the Department of Justice’s Executive Office for Immigration Review. It shows that nearly 50% of removal orders are issued “in absentia” — meaning the individual fails to appear — in initial case completions.

FY 2019 data :
Denial rate: 31.94%
Other rate: 11.19%
Percentage of No Asylum Application Filed: 41.53%
“other rate” includes decisions of “abandonment, not adjudicated, other, or withdrawn,”
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old salt wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 3:42 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 2:36 am
old salt wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 12:13 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 8:02 pm
E-verify can be evaded.
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/st ... -around-it

State laws don't control illegal entry.
:lol: :lol: so can drug trafficking, prostitution and child molestation…
They don't have to be evaded. they can enter via bogus asylum claims.
...& there's no one to catch the gotaways because CBP is overwhelmed administering catch & release to the phony asylum seekers.
Sent this to a friend of mine 2 days ago that sits at home and watches the news all day….

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil. ... show-court
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/04/factc ... ttendance/
...based on data from the Department of Justice’s Executive Office for Immigration Review. It shows that nearly 50% of removal orders are issued “in absentia” — meaning the individual fails to appear — in initial case completions.

FY 2019 data :
Denial rate: 31.94%
Other rate: 11.19%
Percentage of No Asylum Application Filed: 41.53%
“other rate” includes decisions of “abandonment, not adjudicated, other, or withdrawn,”
You old slickster…….

But immigration law experts argue that EOIR’s in absentia statistics undercount the number of people actually attending court hearings by excluding the many appearances people are making while their immigration cases have not been decided.

“The government … does not report immigrants’ appearance rate,” Aaron Reichlin-Melnick, policy counsel for the American Immigration Council, wrote in a July 2019 Wall Street Journal opinion piece. “Instead it reports a related figure called the ‘in absentia rate’ — the percentage of ‘completed’ cases closed each year because the person missed court. Because the penalty for missing court is an automatic deportation order, these cases are completed rapidly. As a result, that figure overemphasizes rapid deportations for missing court and leaves out the much larger number of cases that remain pending as the immigrant diligently appears for every hearing.”

He used the following example to illustrate his point: “To simplify, imagine 10 people are scheduled to appear in court one day and nine show up. The judge issues a deportation order for the person who missed court, then deals with the remaining cases, finishing one and ordering the other eight to return for another hearing. The appearance rate for that day is 90%. The in absentia rate is a mere 50% — one deportation order divided by two completed cases.”
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old salt wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 3:30 am I said all this same stuff when Trump was in office.
No. You didn't.

You didn't say boo about your views on Everify's shortcomings......something Trump could have EASILY fixed by simply asking them to drop it in ANY of the three MASSIVE spending bills that you ignored because a R was POTUS.

Naturally, you started paying attention to money again in yet another in a long line of Xmas miracles when Joe showed up.
old salt wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 3:30 am When he met with Congressional leaders trying to get the bill that Graham had proposed passed.
The Dems stormed out of the meeting & went crying to the press about his sh!thole country remark.
:lol: Right. It's the Dems fault Trump made a extra-racist comment as they're sitting down to discuss Immigration.

Here, let me help you:

1. Never invite someone to a meeting with the opposition that features a guy who says whatever comes to his tiny mind. Basic politics.
2. Don't nominate this idiot in the first place to lead your party.
3.Don't elect a moron as POTUS

All three of these simple choices would have kept this from happening. But sure, it's the Dems fault the man keeps making overtures to White Surpremacists, followed by you and your fellow voters providing him excuses as to why it's awesome he says these things, and yell at everyone else because Trump said dumb stuff. Because naturally, YOU would never complain about something Biden or Obama said that was dumb, right? :roll:
old salt wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 3:30 am You know that E-verify won't fix the problem & it can't be immediately enforced everywhere or the economy would grind to a halt.
:lol: So....this isn't actually an emergency? I thought this was a big deal, and you've been complaining about it for.....how many years now?

Yet you're speculating that businesses that are breaking the freaking law might have to shut down....and you don't want that to happen?

You're not making ANY sense, sorry.

And I could just as easily argue that Biden is doing everything in his power to fix immigration, but Congress is in the way. The ONLY difference is, you're not dumb enough to buy that, because of Biden's magic letter D. I have NO IDEA why you think this excuse works for Trump when you're discussing this with me or anyone else on this forum...but you do you.
old salt wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 3:30 am
Once we get control of the border & staunch the inflow, E-verify is one tool we can use to legitimize the illegals who are working here now.

Nothing can be changed until we get control of the border, & we're losing more control now with lifting Title 42 & releasing everyone with no way to keep track of them or adjudicate their asylum claim if they don't voluntarily show up for a hearing years down the road.
Straight out of the FoxNation manual on "how to pretend you're serious about immigration without actually doing anything"

How long have they been selling you this nonsense? 20 years? 30?

It's opinion being offered as fact. We have 3,000,000+ illegal workers in the US, and you're on here telling me that you can't work on policies effecting workers that are already here unless you slow the flow to some magic number. Sorry, this is nonsense.

And more to my point: scoreboard. Nothing has happened. Not even after 9/11 when Americans would have let Bush do ANYTHING in the name of making America more secure. Spoiler alert: he didn't do a thing about the border, the illegal people living here, VISA's, or anything he could have done.

But sure, let's vote DeSantis so yet

It's obvious to me: there isn't a problem. The way I know is that you and your team stops 100% of your complaining the MIIILISECOND a R is in the White House. That's the ACTUAL problem you want "fixed".
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 7:17 am
old salt wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 3:42 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 2:36 am
old salt wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 12:13 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 8:02 pm
E-verify can be evaded.
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/st ... -around-it

State laws don't control illegal entry.
:lol: :lol: so can drug trafficking, prostitution and child molestation…
They don't have to be evaded. they can enter via bogus asylum claims.
...& there's no one to catch the gotaways because CBP is overwhelmed administering catch & release to the phony asylum seekers.
Sent this to a friend of mine 2 days ago that sits at home and watches the news all day….

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil. ... show-court
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/04/factc ... ttendance/
...based on data from the Department of Justice’s Executive Office for Immigration Review. It shows that nearly 50% of removal orders are issued “in absentia” — meaning the individual fails to appear — in initial case completions.

FY 2019 data :
Denial rate: 31.94%
Other rate: 11.19%
Percentage of No Asylum Application Filed: 41.53%
“other rate” includes decisions of “abandonment, not adjudicated, other, or withdrawn,”
You old slickster…….

But immigration law experts argue that EOIR’s in absentia statistics undercount the number of people actually attending court hearings by excluding the many appearances people are making while their immigration cases have not been decided.

“The government … does not report immigrants’ appearance rate,” Aaron Reichlin-Melnick, policy counsel for the American Immigration Council, wrote in a July 2019 Wall Street Journal opinion piece. “Instead it reports a related figure called the ‘in absentia rate’ — the percentage of ‘completed’ cases closed each year because the person missed court. Because the penalty for missing court is an automatic deportation order, these cases are completed rapidly. As a result, that figure overemphasizes rapid deportations for missing court and leaves out the much larger number of cases that remain pending as the immigrant diligently appears for every hearing.”

He used the following example to illustrate his point: “To simplify, imagine 10 people are scheduled to appear in court one day and nine show up. The judge issues a deportation order for the person who missed court, then deals with the remaining cases, finishing one and ordering the other eight to return for another hearing. The appearance rate for that day is 90%. The in absentia rate is a mere 50% — one deportation order divided by two completed cases.”
Other rate: 11.19%
Percentage of No Asylum Application Filed: 41.53%
“other rate” includes decisions of “abandonment, not adjudicated, other, or withdrawn,”
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old salt wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 4:23 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 7:17 am
old salt wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 3:42 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 2:36 am
old salt wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 12:13 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 8:02 pm
E-verify can be evaded.
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/st ... -around-it

State laws don't control illegal entry.
:lol: :lol: so can drug trafficking, prostitution and child molestation…
They don't have to be evaded. they can enter via bogus asylum claims.
...& there's no one to catch the gotaways because CBP is overwhelmed administering catch & release to the phony asylum seekers.
Sent this to a friend of mine 2 days ago that sits at home and watches the news all day….

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil. ... show-court
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/04/factc ... ttendance/
...based on data from the Department of Justice’s Executive Office for Immigration Review. It shows that nearly 50% of removal orders are issued “in absentia” — meaning the individual fails to appear — in initial case completions.

FY 2019 data :
Denial rate: 31.94%
Other rate: 11.19%
Percentage of No Asylum Application Filed: 41.53%
“other rate” includes decisions of “abandonment, not adjudicated, other, or withdrawn,”
You old slickster…….

But immigration law experts argue that EOIR’s in absentia statistics undercount the number of people actually attending court hearings by excluding the many appearances people are making while their immigration cases have not been decided.

“The government … does not report immigrants’ appearance rate,” Aaron Reichlin-Melnick, policy counsel for the American Immigration Council, wrote in a July 2019 Wall Street Journal opinion piece. “Instead it reports a related figure called the ‘in absentia rate’ — the percentage of ‘completed’ cases closed each year because the person missed court. Because the penalty for missing court is an automatic deportation order, these cases are completed rapidly. As a result, that figure overemphasizes rapid deportations for missing court and leaves out the much larger number of cases that remain pending as the immigrant diligently appears for every hearing.”

He used the following example to illustrate his point: “To simplify, imagine 10 people are scheduled to appear in court one day and nine show up. The judge issues a deportation order for the person who missed court, then deals with the remaining cases, finishing one and ordering the other eight to return for another hearing. The appearance rate for that day is 90%. The in absentia rate is a mere 50% — one deportation order divided by two completed cases.”
Other rate: 11.19%
Percentage of No Asylum Application Filed: 41.53%
“other rate” includes decisions of “abandonment, not adjudicated, other, or withdrawn,”
Thanks Pal…..
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a fan wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 3:16 pm
old salt wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 3:30 am I said all this same stuff when Trump was in office.
No. You didn't.

You didn't say boo about your views on Everify's shortcomings......
I was not yet aware of how easy it was to cheat E-verify. I took your word that it worked.

Read what Sen Chris Murphy (D-CT, Chairman of the Appropriations Subcommittee that oversees funding for the Department of Homeland Security)
said yesterday on Meet the Press.

The same things I've been saying since 2014 when large groups of unaccompanied minors started showing up on our border & began exploiting, on a large scale, the cartel's asylum loophole scam, which quickly overwhelmed our DHS & DoJ resources.
Obama & Jeh Johnson did all they could, but liberal Judges blocked them from doing what needed to be done.
This set the stage for the large scale caravans of asylum seeking migrants which began in 2017.

SEN. CHRIS MURPHY:

I think there is still an opportunity, at least in the Senate, for bipartisan immigration reform. Maybe not the size of the bill in 2013, but I do think there are a group of Republicans in the Senate who recognize that we have this massive labor shortage. Everywhere in the country, you see, help wanted signs. And that there is an ability to help the American economy by letting more people into the country legally. So, I wouldn't be surprised if you see some discussions begin in the Senate in the wake of the House action last week to try to find some common ground on immigration reform.

CHUCK TODD:

You think that in a piecemeal direction – it's always going to be piecemeal, at this point; the word comprehensive, just throw it away?

SEN. CHRIS MURPHY:

Yeah. I think right now, you've got to do the pieces that are most urgent. And, to me, that's border security. That's asylum reform. And then, that's doing something about the Dreamers who are here and need some help.

obtw -- I still agree with Dem Jeh Johnson, Obama's DHS Secy.
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old salt wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 10:37 pm
a fan wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 3:16 pm
old salt wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 3:30 am I said all this same stuff when Trump was in office.
No. You didn't.

You didn't say boo about your views on Everify's shortcomings......
I was not yet aware of how easy it was to cheat E-verify. I took your word that it worked.
:lol: So this issue that you took SO seriously for over a decade now, and the shortcomings of the current system....didn't hit your radar until Biden showed up.

Right. I also LOVE that you're trying to blame me.

This is why I keep telling you that your news feed tells you what to think, and is where your fake outrage comes from......

It's not real. You don't really care. If you did, you'd be able to figure this stuff out on your own, regardless of headlines.

So with me and the spending? You mock me for being upset about it all the time....because you don't get why I'm upset about something that's not currently in the headlines.

The media tells you what to get upset about, OS. Which is why your list of grievances is simply a "Greatest Hits" from FoxNation. Flynn was tricked. Everyone has Trump Derangement Sydrome. The FBI shouldn't investigate Trump. Reading your posts is like reading headlines.


Call me when DeSantis wins, and any complaints about the border or immigration "magically disappear" from you team.....the same way complaints about spending and the Tea Party evaporated the minute Trump was sworn in.

The little R will fix all of your complaints. So what will you complain about? :lol: The same moronic stuff you complained about when Trump was in office: you complained that everyone was mean to Trump. And just couldn't muster the strength to complain about one single solitary thing Trump did or didn't do.

It's sad.
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a fan wrote: Tue May 16, 2023 11:03 am
old salt wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 10:37 pm
a fan wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 3:16 pm
old salt wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 3:30 am I said all this same stuff when Trump was in office.
No. You didn't.

You didn't say boo about your views on Everify's shortcomings......
I was not yet aware of how easy it was to cheat E-verify. I took your word that it worked.
:lol: So this issue that you took SO seriously for over a decade now, and the shortcomings of the current system....didn't hit your radar until Biden showed up.

Right. I also LOVE that you're trying to blame me.

This is why I keep telling you that your news feed tells you what to think, and is where your fake outrage comes from......

It's not real. You don't really care. If you did, you'd be able to figure this stuff out on your own, regardless of headlines.

So with me and the spending? You mock me for being upset about it all the time....because you don't get why I'm upset about something that's not currently in the headlines.

The media tells you what to get upset about, OS. Which is why your list of grievances is simply a "Greatest Hits" from FoxNation. Flynn was tricked. Everyone has Trump Derangement Sydrome. The FBI shouldn't investigate Trump. Reading your posts is like reading headlines.

Call me when DeSantis wins, and any complaints about the border or immigration "magically disappear" from you team.....the same way complaints about spending and the Tea Party evaporated the minute Trump was sworn in.

The little R will fix all of your complaints. So what will you complain about? :lol: The same moronic stuff you complained about when Trump was in office: you complained that everyone was mean to Trump. And just couldn't muster the strength to complain about one single solitary thing Trump did or didn't do.

It's sad.
Wah Wah Wah. You ranted about E-verify being the cure all for years & now you can't handle reputable reporting documenting how widespread cheating is & how easy it is to evade.
We've had several exchanges on this issue since 2014 & I've said the same things.
My news feed told me to agree with Dems like Jeh Johnson & Chris Murphy :roll:
This is your tactic for sidetracking a discussion & avoiding an honest dialogue.
Make false assertions about my position, then try to force me to defend myself.
That's what's sad. You are no longer capable of conducting an honest discussion.
You don't want to exchange info. You just harass when you don't agree with what I post.
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old salt wrote: Tue May 16, 2023 2:38 pm Wah Wah Wah. You ranted about E-verify being the cure all for years & now you can't handle reputable reporting documenting how widespread cheating is & how easy it is to evade.
That's YOUR assertion, not mine, pal.

And I'm not crying, pretending I care about immigration reform now that you don't have a R in the office to make excuses for......
old salt wrote: Tue May 16, 2023 2:38 pm We've had several exchanges on this issue since 2014 & I've said the same things.
That's YOUR interpretation.

What ACTUALLY happened was:

1. Obama in White House, you're claiming the world is on fire, and the border is wide open. Dems bad. Vote R's, they'll fix it.
2. R gets into White House, all complaints stop. You move on to other stuff. Border is still porous, no immigration bill. And naturally, the "reason" stuff isn't fixed is it's the Dems fault.
3. R leaves White House without doing anything about immigration reform. You don't care. You don't complain. You don't mention it.
4. D arrives in White House. A XMas miracle happens, and the complaining starts again. World is on fire, border is wide open.
5. You and I know what you're gonna do when a R arrives
old salt wrote: Tue May 16, 2023 2:38 pm This is your tactic for sidetracking a discussion & avoiding an honest dialogue.
YOUR interpretation. What ACTUALLY happened was that you stopped complaining and caring when Trump was in office. Told me Trump is doing everything he can, but the Dems are in the way. Oh, and Everify doesn't work now that Trump is out, and I "forgot" to complain that it wasn't perfect when Trump was in office. And the reason you never brought it up is that you couldn't hand me excuses as to why Trump, Mr. Perfect for OS, didn't take care of that.

Your chance to show us you want an "honest" conversation was to criticize Trump for his failures. You didn't do that. Instead, you hilariously blame the Dems because Trump made a blatantly racist comment before negotiations started.

An HONEST response to that would be "yeah, Trump sort of ruined the tone of the negotiations with that".

You haven't been honest with us for YEARS, OS. NO ONE is this big of a partisan apologist. You yourself said he was unfit for office.....then he gets there, and you start giving him excuses for EVERYTHING, no matter how stupid.

But sure, you want to "honestly" start whining now that Biden's in.
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old salt wrote: Tue May 16, 2023 2:38 pm That's what's sad. You are no longer capable of conducting an honest discussion.
I've been telling you the same thing this entire time. You tune it out, because you don't want to hear it. My honest take. No frills.

This is a REPUBLICAN issue. You're the one's screaming house on fire, not the Dems. Like it or not, this ain't a top line issue for them.

So it's REALLY simple: you have to hold your R Reps accountable. That's it. THAT will do it. THAT will get you the changes you want. Emails, letters, appear at fundraisers, calls, protests, take to the streets. You know: f'ing act like we're in a representative Democracy. HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.

But that's not how you and your crew operate anymore. All your team does is: give anyone with a R by their name a thumbs up, you're doing great, don't change a thing. And blame the Dems for their failure to act.

So that's what you do. Let them do nothing, and vote for them anyway. And shocker of all shockers, that's what your R reps do for you: nothing. And you happily vote for them again.


Blaming the Dems is a complete waste of your time. Pointless. But you don't want to hear it, so here we are.

And yep, I'm gonna make fun of you when you don't want to do that and instead, blame the Dems, and give the R's a pass.
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a fan wrote: Tue May 16, 2023 10:35 pm
old salt wrote: Tue May 16, 2023 2:38 pm That's what's sad. You are no longer capable of conducting an honest discussion.
I've been telling you the same thing this entire time. You tune it out, because you don't want to hear it. My honest take. No frills.

This is a REPUBLICAN issue. You're the one's screaming house on fire, not the Dems. Like it or not, this ain't a top line issue for them.

So it's REALLY simple: you have to hold your R Reps accountable. That's it. THAT will do it. THAT will get you the changes you want. Emails, letters, appear at fundraisers, calls, protests, take to the streets. You know: f'ing act like we're in a representative Democracy. HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.

But that's not how you and your crew operate anymore. All your team does is: give anyone with a R by their name a thumbs up, you're doing great, don't change a thing. And blame the Dems for their failure to act.

So that's what you do. Let them do nothing, and vote for them anyway. And shocker of all shockers, that's what your R reps do for you: nothing. And you happily vote for them again.


Blaming the Dems is a complete waste of your time. Pointless. But you don't want to hear it, so here we are.

And yep, I'm gonna make fun of you when you don't want to do that and instead, blame the Dems, and give the R's a pass.
I have been saying this for years…..McConnell found out when Obama was is office that you get folks to come out and vote by doing nothing….just obstruct and complain and it riles folks up.
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Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Tue May 16, 2023 10:40 pm
a fan wrote: Tue May 16, 2023 10:35 pm
old salt wrote: Tue May 16, 2023 2:38 pm That's what's sad. You are no longer capable of conducting an honest discussion.
I've been telling you the same thing this entire time. You tune it out, because you don't want to hear it. My honest take. No frills.

This is a REPUBLICAN issue. You're the one's screaming house on fire, not the Dems. Like it or not, this ain't a top line issue for them.

So it's REALLY simple: you have to hold your R Reps accountable. That's it. THAT will do it. THAT will get you the changes you want. Emails, letters, appear at fundraisers, calls, protests, take to the streets. You know: f'ing act like we're in a representative Democracy. HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.

But that's not how you and your crew operate anymore. All your team does is: give anyone with a R by their name a thumbs up, you're doing great, don't change a thing. And blame the Dems for their failure to act.

So that's what you do. Let them do nothing, and vote for them anyway. And shocker of all shockers, that's what your R reps do for you: nothing. And you happily vote for them again.


Blaming the Dems is a complete waste of your time. Pointless. But you don't want to hear it, so here we are.

And yep, I'm gonna make fun of you when you don't want to do that and instead, blame the Dems, and give the R's a pass.
I have been saying this for years…..McConnell found out when Obama was is office that you get folks to come out and vote by doing nothing….just obstruct and complain and it riles folks up.
Yep. It works. And Old Salt and his fellow voters will do the same thing when DeSantis is in office. All complaining about ANYTHING will stop....unless it's to pause, and blame a Dem for something.
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a fan wrote: Tue May 16, 2023 10:47 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Tue May 16, 2023 10:40 pm
a fan wrote: Tue May 16, 2023 10:35 pm
old salt wrote: Tue May 16, 2023 2:38 pm That's what's sad. You are no longer capable of conducting an honest discussion.
I've been telling you the same thing this entire time. You tune it out, because you don't want to hear it. My honest take. No frills.

This is a REPUBLICAN issue. You're the one's screaming house on fire, not the Dems. Like it or not, this ain't a top line issue for them.

So it's REALLY simple: you have to hold your R Reps accountable. That's it. THAT will do it. THAT will get you the changes you want. Emails, letters, appear at fundraisers, calls, protests, take to the streets. You know: f'ing act like we're in a representative Democracy. HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.

But that's not how you and your crew operate anymore. All your team does is: give anyone with a R by their name a thumbs up, you're doing great, don't change a thing. And blame the Dems for their failure to act.

So that's what you do. Let them do nothing, and vote for them anyway. And shocker of all shockers, that's what your R reps do for you: nothing. And you happily vote for them again.


Blaming the Dems is a complete waste of your time. Pointless. But you don't want to hear it, so here we are.

And yep, I'm gonna make fun of you when you don't want to do that and instead, blame the Dems, and give the R's a pass.
I have been saying this for years…..McConnell found out when Obama was is office that you get folks to come out and vote by doing nothing….just obstruct and complain and it riles folks up.
Yep. It works. And Old Salt and his fellow voters will do the same thing when DeSantis is in office. All complaining about ANYTHING will stop....unless it's to pause, and blame a Dem for something.
Other than tax reform, what other consequential legislation has been passed by the republican party?
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Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

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Vets kicked out of hotel to make room for immigrants in New York....really bad look by Adams.

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/video/h ... sing-plan/
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youthathletics wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 8:27 am Vets kicked out of hotel to make room for immigrants in New York....really bad look by Adams.

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/video/h ... sing-plan/
Were they “relocated” to the street?

“They are being sent to a different hotel in the area.”

Probably an upgrade.
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Re: Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 8:50 am
youthathletics wrote: Wed May 17, 2023 8:27 am Vets kicked out of hotel to make room for immigrants in New York....really bad look by Adams.

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/video/h ... sing-plan/
Were they “relocated” to the street?
Not the point, uprooted from the one stable thing that had going, which may have included work, a support system, etc. Think past the immediate.
A fraudulent intent, however carefully concealed at the outset, will generally, in the end, betray itself.
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