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Re: ~46~ The Joe Biden Presidency ~46~

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:19 pm
by seacoaster
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:05 pm
lagerhead wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:14 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:39 am

And if that video is something the Biden folks think they want to help disseminate, fine to do so.
If they don't think it's helpful, they won't. Simple.

Nope Joe will just call up Zuckerberg, Dorsey et al and have them pull it because "it's wrong a lie".
Hmmm, not sure what you're saying. Is there a wink at the end of that?

Trump can't use Twitter and Facebook now. Nothing to do with Biden Admin.
So, if it's a POS video, it'll get relatively little dissemination...however, if it's a solid piece, the Biden folks can encourage its dissemination on their channels. And surely the major networks will help it get seen.

Up to Trump to do something positive.

I'm not betting on that to happen though, are you?
I thought Lagerhead was saying that the "Left" would simply "cancel" whatever Trump says because, you know, that's what the Left does man.... I would like to be wrong.

Re: ~46~ The Joe Biden Presidency ~46~

Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:21 pm
by MDlaxfan76
seacoaster wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:19 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:05 pm
lagerhead wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:14 am
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:39 am

And if that video is something the Biden folks think they want to help disseminate, fine to do so.
If they don't think it's helpful, they won't. Simple.

Nope Joe will just call up Zuckerberg, Dorsey et al and have them pull it because "it's wrong a lie".
Hmmm, not sure what you're saying. Is there a wink at the end of that?

Trump can't use Twitter and Facebook now. Nothing to do with Biden Admin.
So, if it's a POS video, it'll get relatively little dissemination...however, if it's a solid piece, the Biden folks can encourage its dissemination on their channels. And surely the major networks will help it get seen.

Up to Trump to do something positive.

I'm not betting on that to happen though, are you?
I thought Lagerhead was saying that the "Left" would simply "cancel" whatever Trump says because, you know, that's what the Left does man.... I would like to be wrong.
me too, which is why I asked...I didn't want to assume.

Re: ~46~ The Joe Biden Presidency ~46~

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:21 am
by jhu72
... looks like Biden is going to get his bipartisan infrastructure bill. Senate republicans flip Trump the bird.

Re: ~46~ The Joe Biden Presidency ~46~

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:08 am
by cradleandshoot
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:21 am ... looks like Biden is going to get his bipartisan infrastructure bill. Senate republicans flip Trump the bird.
Senate members flip Americans the bird. I watched on the news last night that Pennsylvania needs 30 billion minimum for repairing structural unsound bridges. Maybe they will get a few coins to construct charging stations for electric cars. What the flying flip is "infrastructure spending" suppose to be all about? It sure as hell has nothing to do with infrastructure as most Americans understand it.

Re: ~46~ The Joe Biden Presidency ~46~

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:14 am
by MDlaxfan76
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:21 am ... looks like Biden is going to get his bipartisan infrastructure bill. Senate republicans flip Trump the bird.
Well, 17 R's did (including McConnell)...more went with Trump. But a start.

But it could well be a trap for the Dems. If the progressives in the House insist on any significant changes, beyond some obvious error in the language, McConnell could easily 'flip' right back, claiming the Dems were unreasonable, 'socialist', what have you. "We tried"...

The Dems are actually nutty enough to do that. Hope Biden somehow manages to curb that.

We need the infrastructure investments.
And sooner the better.

Re: ~46~ The Joe Biden Presidency ~46~

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:24 am
by MDlaxfan76
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:08 am
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:21 am ... looks like Biden is going to get his bipartisan infrastructure bill. Senate republicans flip Trump the bird.
Senate members flip Americans the bird. I watched on the news last night that Pennsylvania needs 30 billion minimum for repairing structural unsound bridges. Maybe they will get a few coins to construct charging stations for electric cars. What the flying flip is "infrastructure spending" suppose to be all about? It sure as hell has nothing to do with infrastructure as most Americans understand it.
cradle, please, please, do a little homework before posting stuff like this. Just makes you look ignorant or lazy.

The bipartisan deal is for $550 B of new investment on hard infrastructure. Stuff you can touch, roads, bridges, airports, water treatment, etc.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/politics ... index.html

If you want to beef about the reconciliation bill, which is very unlikely to get any GOP votes, ok, different bill.

Re: ~46~ The Joe Biden Presidency ~46~

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:48 pm
by cradleandshoot
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:24 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:08 am
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:21 am ... looks like Biden is going to get his bipartisan infrastructure bill. Senate republicans flip Trump the bird.
Senate members flip Americans the bird. I watched on the news last night that Pennsylvania needs 30 billion minimum for repairing structural unsound bridges. Maybe they will get a few coins to construct charging stations for electric cars. What the flying flip is "infrastructure spending" suppose to be all about? It sure as hell has nothing to do with infrastructure as most Americans understand it.
cradle, please, please, do a little homework before posting stuff like this. Just makes you look ignorant or lazy.

The bipartisan deal is for $550 B of new investment on hard infrastructure. Stuff you can touch, roads, bridges, airports, water treatment, etc.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/politics ... index.html

If you want to beef about the reconciliation bill, which is very unlikely to get any GOP votes, ok, different bill.
[/quote

I'm only responding to what the folks in PA say they need bare minimum for their infrastructure. How much money will they get from this bill? Do you ever listen to the news?

Re: ~46~ The Joe Biden Presidency ~46~

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:56 pm
by MDlaxfan76
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:48 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:24 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:08 am
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:21 am ... looks like Biden is going to get his bipartisan infrastructure bill. Senate republicans flip Trump the bird.
Senate members flip Americans the bird. I watched on the news last night that Pennsylvania needs 30 billion minimum for repairing structural unsound bridges. Maybe they will get a few coins to construct charging stations for electric cars. What the flying flip is "infrastructure spending" suppose to be all about? It sure as hell has nothing to do with infrastructure as most Americans understand it.
cradle, please, please, do a little homework before posting stuff like this. Just makes you look ignorant or lazy.

The bipartisan deal is for $550 B of new investment on hard infrastructure. Stuff you can touch, roads, bridges, airports, water treatment, etc.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/politics ... index.html

If you want to beef about the reconciliation bill, which is very unlikely to get any GOP votes, ok, different bill.
[/quote

I'm only responding to what the folks in PA say they need bare minimum for their infrastructure. How much money will they get from this bill? Do you ever listen to the news?
ahhh, you're saying it's not enough? Should be more?

I interpreted you as saying something else.

Re: ~46~ The Joe Biden Presidency ~46~

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:57 pm
by jhu72
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:14 am
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:21 am ... looks like Biden is going to get his bipartisan infrastructure bill. Senate republicans flip Trump the bird.
Well, 17 R's did (including McConnell)...more went with Trump. But a start.

But it could well be a trap for the Dems. If the progressives in the House insist on any significant changes, beyond some obvious error in the language, McConnell could easily 'flip' right back, claiming the Dems were unreasonable, 'socialist', what have you. "We tried"...

The Dems are actually nutty enough to do that. Hope Biden somehow manages to curb that.

We need the infrastructure investments.
And sooner the better.
... could be, but it is a very very popular bill with the American people. I don't think you have to worry about the democrats on the left, they will grouse but not likely to poison it at this stage. I think they will stay in line for the time being. Trumpnista trying to scuttle it via amendments could be a bigger problem.

Re: ~46~ The Joe Biden Presidency ~46~

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:03 pm
by MDlaxfan76
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:57 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:14 am
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:21 am ... looks like Biden is going to get his bipartisan infrastructure bill. Senate republicans flip Trump the bird.
Well, 17 R's did (including McConnell)...more went with Trump. But a start.

But it could well be a trap for the Dems. If the progressives in the House insist on any significant changes, beyond some obvious error in the language, McConnell could easily 'flip' right back, claiming the Dems were unreasonable, 'socialist', what have you. "We tried"...

The Dems are actually nutty enough to do that. Hope Biden somehow manages to curb that.

We need the infrastructure investments.
And sooner the better.
... could be, but it is a very very popular bill with the American people. I don't think you have to worry about the democrats on the left, they will grouse but not likely to poison it at this stage. I think they will stay in line for the time being. Trumpnista trying to scuttle it via amendments could be a bigger problem.
Right now the danger is from the progressives in the House...they're making a lot of noises about not taking the Senate version, as is. It certainly would be dumb, but the margin's pretty darn tight in the House and it's not like they should expect help from the GOP there. They definitely want more $...and they likely want more strings and trust the Biden Admin to manage the process consistent with what they want, anyway...Buttigeig was pretty darn strong on that last night. Hopefully, they'll play it smart. But...

IMO, they should 'bank' this one and move on to the reconciliation bill -they've got significant negotiating to do within their own party. However, Schumer and Pelosi are both saying that they'll be passing both, basically concurrently.

Re: ~46~ The Joe Biden Presidency ~46~

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:05 pm
by cradleandshoot
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:56 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:48 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:24 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:08 am
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:21 am ... looks like Biden is going to get his bipartisan infrastructure bill. Senate republicans flip Trump the bird.
Senate members flip Americans the bird. I watched on the news last night that Pennsylvania needs 30 billion minimum for repairing structural unsound bridges. Maybe they will get a few coins to construct charging stations for electric cars. What the flying flip is "infrastructure spending" suppose to be all about? It sure as hell has nothing to do with infrastructure as most Americans understand it.
cradle, please, please, do a little homework before posting stuff like this. Just makes you look ignorant or lazy.

The bipartisan deal is for $550 B of new investment on hard infrastructure. Stuff you can touch, roads, bridges, airports, water treatment, etc.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/politics ... index.html

If you want to beef about the reconciliation bill, which is very unlikely to get any GOP votes, ok, different bill.
[/quote

I'm only responding to what the folks in PA say they need bare minimum for their infrastructure. How much money will they get fromm this bill? Do you ever listen to the news?
ahhh, you're saying it's not enough? Should be more?

I interpreted you as saying something else.
I consider money to be spent on infrastructure has a clear and distinct definition. Here in NYS our roads, bridges and highways are a hot mess. I have no idea what the estimated repair costs are. I do know that there 49 other states trying to deal with the same problem. I suppose I should be patient as to how much of this money will actually go to repairing roads, bridges and highways and how much is just pure pork. The devil is always in the details.

Re: ~46~ The Joe Biden Presidency ~46~

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:06 pm
by MDlaxfan76
not sure how to get the thread correct, but it keeps looking like you're writing under my name, and vice versa...

Well, that's always the question, one man's essential road is another's 'pork'.

Let's just admit that we have woefully underinvested over several decades, so the need is great. This is a start, for sure.

Re: ~46~ The Joe Biden Presidency ~46~

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:09 pm
by lagerhead
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:03 pm
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:57 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:14 am
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:21 am ... looks like Biden is going to get his bipartisan infrastructure bill. Senate republicans flip Trump the bird.
Well, 17 R's did (including McConnell)...more went with Trump. But a start.

But it could well be a trap for the Dems. If the progressives in the House insist on any significant changes, beyond some obvious error in the language, McConnell could easily 'flip' right back, claiming the Dems were unreasonable, 'socialist', what have you. "We tried"...

The Dems are actually nutty enough to do that. Hope Biden somehow manages to curb that.

We need the infrastructure investments.
And sooner the better.
... could be, but it is a very very popular bill with the American people. I don't think you have to worry about the democrats on the left, they will grouse but not likely to poison it at this stage. I think they will stay in line for the time being. Trumpnista trying to scuttle it via amendments could be a bigger problem.
Right now the danger is from the progressives in the House...they're making a lot of noises about not taking the Senate version, as is. It certainly would be dumb, but the margin's pretty darn tight in the House and it's not like they should expect help from the GOP there. They definitely want more $...and they likely want more strings and trust the Biden Admin to manage the process consistent with what they want, anyway...Buttigeig was pretty darn strong on that last night. Hopefully, they'll play it smart. But...

IMO, they should 'bank' this one and move on to the reconciliation bill -they've got significant negotiating to do within their own party. However, Schumer and Pelosi are both saying that they'll be passing both, basically concurrently.
Yes its popular with the American people who are being told they will not have to pay for it. Tax the 1% tax the corp. Whats the reality, we will not know for years or even decades but the well off will still find ways to shelter income and investments and the corporations will pass on higher taxes in higher costs for services.

Re: ~46~ The Joe Biden Presidency ~46~

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:14 pm
by jhu72
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:03 pm
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:57 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:14 am
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:21 am ... looks like Biden is going to get his bipartisan infrastructure bill. Senate republicans flip Trump the bird.
Well, 17 R's did (including McConnell)...more went with Trump. But a start.

But it could well be a trap for the Dems. If the progressives in the House insist on any significant changes, beyond some obvious error in the language, McConnell could easily 'flip' right back, claiming the Dems were unreasonable, 'socialist', what have you. "We tried"...

The Dems are actually nutty enough to do that. Hope Biden somehow manages to curb that.

We need the infrastructure investments.
And sooner the better.
... could be, but it is a very very popular bill with the American people. I don't think you have to worry about the democrats on the left, they will grouse but not likely to poison it at this stage. I think they will stay in line for the time being. Trumpnista trying to scuttle it via amendments could be a bigger problem.
Right now the danger is from the progressives in the House...they're making a lot of noises about not taking the Senate version, as is. It certainly would be dumb, but the margin's pretty darn tight in the House and it's not like they should expect help from the GOP there. They definitely want more $...and they likely want more strings and trust the Biden Admin to manage the process consistent with what they want, anyway...Buttigeig was pretty darn strong on that last night. Hopefully, they'll play it smart. But...

IMO, they should 'bank' this one and move on to the reconciliation bill -they've got significant negotiating to do within their own party. However, Schumer and Pelosi are both saying that they'll be passing both, basically concurrently.
... just the democratic left grousing.

Re: ~46~ The Joe Biden Presidency ~46~

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:15 pm
by MDlaxfan76
lagerhead wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:09 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:03 pm
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:57 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:14 am
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:21 am ... looks like Biden is going to get his bipartisan infrastructure bill. Senate republicans flip Trump the bird.
Well, 17 R's did (including McConnell)...more went with Trump. But a start.

But it could well be a trap for the Dems. If the progressives in the House insist on any significant changes, beyond some obvious error in the language, McConnell could easily 'flip' right back, claiming the Dems were unreasonable, 'socialist', what have you. "We tried"...

The Dems are actually nutty enough to do that. Hope Biden somehow manages to curb that.

We need the infrastructure investments.
And sooner the better.
... could be, but it is a very very popular bill with the American people. I don't think you have to worry about the democrats on the left, they will grouse but not likely to poison it at this stage. I think they will stay in line for the time being. Trumpnista trying to scuttle it via amendments could be a bigger problem.
Right now the danger is from the progressives in the House...they're making a lot of noises about not taking the Senate version, as is. It certainly would be dumb, but the margin's pretty darn tight in the House and it's not like they should expect help from the GOP there. They definitely want more $...and they likely want more strings and trust the Biden Admin to manage the process consistent with what they want, anyway...Buttigeig was pretty darn strong on that last night. Hopefully, they'll play it smart. But...

IMO, they should 'bank' this one and move on to the reconciliation bill -they've got significant negotiating to do within their own party. However, Schumer and Pelosi are both saying that they'll be passing both, basically concurrently.
Yes its popular with the American people who are being told they will not have to pay for it. Tax the 1% tax the corp. Whats the reality, we will not know for years or even decades but the well off will still find ways to shelter income and investments and the corporations will pass on higher taxes in higher costs for services.
Well, that's a bit cynical, but then these are indeed cynical days.

Small nit...many of these investments will actually reduce costs versus no investments.

I think the wealthy and corps are gonna do better in the long run with better infrastructure than they would paying less taxes. Pretty sure that's why the Chamber is pro-bill.

Re: ~46~ The Joe Biden Presidency ~46~

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:18 pm
by MDlaxfan76
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:14 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:03 pm
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:57 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:14 am
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:21 am ... looks like Biden is going to get his bipartisan infrastructure bill. Senate republicans flip Trump the bird.
Well, 17 R's did (including McConnell)...more went with Trump. But a start.

But it could well be a trap for the Dems. If the progressives in the House insist on any significant changes, beyond some obvious error in the language, McConnell could easily 'flip' right back, claiming the Dems were unreasonable, 'socialist', what have you. "We tried"...

The Dems are actually nutty enough to do that. Hope Biden somehow manages to curb that.

We need the infrastructure investments.
And sooner the better.
... could be, but it is a very very popular bill with the American people. I don't think you have to worry about the democrats on the left, they will grouse but not likely to poison it at this stage. I think they will stay in line for the time being. Trumpnista trying to scuttle it via amendments could be a bigger problem.
Right now the danger is from the progressives in the House...they're making a lot of noises about not taking the Senate version, as is. It certainly would be dumb, but the margin's pretty darn tight in the House and it's not like they should expect help from the GOP there. They definitely want more $...and they likely want more strings and trust the Biden Admin to manage the process consistent with what they want, anyway...Buttigeig was pretty darn strong on that last night. Hopefully, they'll play it smart. But...

IMO, they should 'bank' this one and move on to the reconciliation bill -they've got significant negotiating to do within their own party. However, Schumer and Pelosi are both saying that they'll be passing both, basically concurrently.
... just the democratic left grousing.
Hopefully, Pelosi will ride herd on it successfully.
And certainly Biden and his folks will be leaning on them.

Don't give McConnell any excuses to pull a fast one. That said, I suspect Mitch wants to 'bank' it too as then he can actually say they're not 100% obstructionist (and get his bridge)...but I don't trust...from Missouri.

Re: ~46~ The Joe Biden Presidency ~46~

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:50 pm
by lagerhead
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:15 pm
lagerhead wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:09 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:03 pm
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:57 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:14 am
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:21 am ... looks like Biden is going to get his bipartisan infrastructure bill. Senate republicans flip Trump the bird.
Well, 17 R's did (including McConnell)...more went with Trump. But a start.

But it could well be a trap for the Dems. If the progressives in the House insist on any significant changes, beyond some obvious error in the language, McConnell could easily 'flip' right back, claiming the Dems were unreasonable, 'socialist', what have you. "We tried"...

The Dems are actually nutty enough to do that. Hope Biden somehow manages to curb that.

We need the infrastructure investments.
And sooner the better.
... could be, but it is a very very popular bill with the American people. I don't think you have to worry about the democrats on the left, they will grouse but not likely to poison it at this stage. I think they will stay in line for the time being. Trumpnista trying to scuttle it via amendments could be a bigger problem.
Right now the danger is from the progressives in the House...they're making a lot of noises about not taking the Senate version, as is. It certainly would be dumb, but the margin's pretty darn tight in the House and it's not like they should expect help from the GOP there. They definitely want more $...and they likely want more strings and trust the Biden Admin to manage the process consistent with what they want, anyway...Buttigeig was pretty darn strong on that last night. Hopefully, they'll play it smart. But...

IMO, they should 'bank' this one and move on to the reconciliation bill -they've got significant negotiating to do within their own party. However, Schumer and Pelosi are both saying that they'll be passing both, basically concurrently.
Yes its popular with the American people who are being told they will not have to pay for it. Tax the 1% tax the corp. Whats the reality, we will not know for years or even decades but the well off will still find ways to shelter income and investments and the corporations will pass on higher taxes in higher costs for services.
Well, that's a bit cynical, but then these are indeed cynical days.

Small nit...many of these investments will actually reduce costs versus no investments.

I think the wealthy and corps are gonna do better in the long run with better infrastructure than they would paying less taxes. Pretty sure that's why the Chamber is pro-bill.
You are right the corp and wealthy will do well, they will hide their taxable income and corps will pass along the cost to the consumer. So who is going to pay?

Re: ~46~ The Joe Biden Presidency ~46~

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:54 pm
by lagerhead
lagerhead wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:50 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:15 pm
lagerhead wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:09 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:03 pm
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:57 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:14 am
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:21 am ... looks like Biden is going to get his bipartisan infrastructure bill. Senate republicans flip Trump the bird.
Well, 17 R's did (including McConnell)...more went with Trump. But a start.

But it could well be a trap for the Dems. If the progressives in the House insist on any significant changes, beyond some obvious error in the language, McConnell could easily 'flip' right back, claiming the Dems were unreasonable, 'socialist', what have you. "We tried"...

The Dems are actually nutty enough to do that. Hope Biden somehow manages to curb that.

We need the infrastructure investments.
And sooner the better.
... could be, but it is a very very popular bill with the American people. I don't think you have to worry about the democrats on the left, they will grouse but not likely to poison it at this stage. I think they will stay in line for the time being. Trumpnista trying to scuttle it via amendments could be a bigger problem.
Right now the danger is from the progressives in the House...they're making a lot of noises about not taking the Senate version, as is. It certainly would be dumb, but the margin's pretty darn tight in the House and it's not like they should expect help from the GOP there. They definitely want more $...and they likely want more strings and trust the Biden Admin to manage the process consistent with what they want, anyway...Buttigeig was pretty darn strong on that last night. Hopefully, they'll play it smart. But...

IMO, they should 'bank' this one and move on to the reconciliation bill -they've got significant negotiating to do within their own party. However, Schumer and Pelosi are both saying that they'll be passing both, basically concurrently.
Yes its popular with the American people who are being told they will not have to pay for it. Tax the 1% tax the corp. Whats the reality, we will not know for years or even decades but the well off will still find ways to shelter income and investments and the corporations will pass on higher taxes in higher costs for services.
Well, that's a bit cynical, but then these are indeed cynical days.

Small nit...many of these investments will actually reduce costs versus no investments.

I think the wealthy and corps are gonna do better in the long run with better infrastructure than they would paying less taxes. Pretty sure that's why the Chamber is pro-bill.
You are right the corp and wealthy will do well, they will hide their taxable income and corps will pass along the cost to the consumer. So who is going to pay?

Fix the tax code to address the revenue first then when you find the money allocate to the infrastructure. increasing Tax rates and bands are not addressing the revenue problem anyone well off can still take advantage of every loophole to shelter income and investments.

Re: ~46~ The Joe Biden Presidency ~46~

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:03 pm
by lagerhead
lagerhead wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:54 pm
lagerhead wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:50 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:15 pm
lagerhead wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:09 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:03 pm
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:57 pm
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:14 am
jhu72 wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:21 am ... looks like Biden is going to get his bipartisan infrastructure bill. Senate republicans flip Trump the bird.
Well, 17 R's did (including McConnell)...more went with Trump. But a start.

But it could well be a trap for the Dems. If the progressives in the House insist on any significant changes, beyond some obvious error in the language, McConnell could easily 'flip' right back, claiming the Dems were unreasonable, 'socialist', what have you. "We tried"...

The Dems are actually nutty enough to do that. Hope Biden somehow manages to curb that.

We need the infrastructure investments.
And sooner the better.
... could be, but it is a very very popular bill with the American people. I don't think you have to worry about the democrats on the left, they will grouse but not likely to poison it at this stage. I think they will stay in line for the time being. Trumpnista trying to scuttle it via amendments could be a bigger problem.
Right now the danger is from the progressives in the House...they're making a lot of noises about not taking the Senate version, as is. It certainly would be dumb, but the margin's pretty darn tight in the House and it's not like they should expect help from the GOP there. They definitely want more $...and they likely want more strings and trust the Biden Admin to manage the process consistent with what they want, anyway...Buttigeig was pretty darn strong on that last night. Hopefully, they'll play it smart. But...

IMO, they should 'bank' this one and move on to the reconciliation bill -they've got significant negotiating to do within their own party. However, Schumer and Pelosi are both saying that they'll be passing both, basically concurrently.
Yes its popular with the American people who are being told they will not have to pay for it. Tax the 1% tax the corp. Whats the reality, we will not know for years or even decades but the well off will still find ways to shelter income and investments and the corporations will pass on higher taxes in higher costs for services.
Well, that's a bit cynical, but then these are indeed cynical days.

Small nit...many of these investments will actually reduce costs versus no investments.

I think the wealthy and corps are gonna do better in the long run with better infrastructure than they would paying less taxes. Pretty sure that's why the Chamber is pro-bill.
You are right the corp and wealthy will do well, they will hide their taxable income and corps will pass along the cost to the consumer. So who is going to pay?

Fix the tax code to address the revenue first then when you find the money allocate to the infrastructure. increasing Tax rates and bands are not addressing the revenue problem anyone well off can still take advantage of every loophole to shelter income and investments.
And construction never has cost overruns that are passed on. $45k kitchen scoped out wound up being $52K that was me watching every penny in the budget.

Re: ~46~ The Joe Biden Presidency ~46~

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:19 pm
by Jim Malone
lagerhead wrote: Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:54 pm Fix the tax code to address the revenue first then when you find the money allocate to the infrastructure. increasing Tax rates and bands are not addressing the revenue problem anyone well off can still take advantage of every loophole to shelter income and investments.
Simple reform is:

First thing is all budgets federal state and local should be reduced across the board 10% a year for 5 years. Straight across the board reduction. All in charge will have to live with their 10% reduced line item. Get rid of waste, fat and corruption by closing the bank. Legislators will no longer have the pork and entitlements for their constituents as in past. Money will have to be doled out wisely as opposed to being given away now.

Budget line item of 100 would be reduced to: 90, 81, 72.9, 65.61 and 59.05

Second thing is tossing the current Internal Revenue Code. Simple tax structure with no benefits or credits except for as I mention:

Individuals tax rate:

Cut all preferential capital gains rates, disallow any deductions for ordinary or capital losses. No accelerated depreciation permitted just straight line. Eliminate all tax credits. No limitations on current itemized deductions and all interest paid is allowable deduction. Amounts paid for dependent education are allowable itemized deductions.

5% taxable income as is with from 1 to $100,000

10% $100,001 to $250,000 taxable income

15% $250,001 to $500,000 taxable income

17% $500,001 to 750,000 taxable income

18% $750,001 to $999,999 taxable income

19% 1,000,000 and greater taxable income

All other corporations and entities that are not pass through:

Tax on net income per books which is same as financial statements issued to public as adjusted for depreciation.

Allow a 5% Investment tax credit for new asset purchases and new employee hires salaries/wages to offset income tax!

Minimum tax of .0000001 of gross revenues $1,000 whichever is greater when losses occur, and eliminate all current tax credits and accelerated depreciation

10% on 1 - 500,000

15% on 500,001 to 10,000,000

19% on 10,000,001 and over

NOW EVERYONE PAYS!

We already have universal healthcare in Medicare and Medicaid. Allow open enrolment into Medicare for all ages with reasonable monthly rate and ability to offset income tax refund against following year’s premiums. Audit the payments to providers and make mandatory sentencing of 24 months with no probation for all convicted of fraud. For those who whistle blow and are party to fraud 6-month mandatory sentence of community service with no probation.

And lastly, we need integrity restored to public and private life.

As Teddy Roosevelt said in his 4th of July speech to celebrate Huntington, LI, NY’s 250 anniversary:
“Exactly. Now so it is in the ordinary workaday tasks of citizenship at the present day. If the man is not decent, in the first place, then he is not merely useless to the community but a menace to it. In time of war, if the man did not have in him the power of loyalty to the flag, loyalty to the nation, loyalty to his regiment, the more dangerous he was. He had to have that quality first of all.
In civil life we need decency, honesty and the spirit that makes the man a good husband, a good father, a good neighbor and a good man to work alongside of or to deal with. That makes a man, consequently, who does his duty by the State. The worst crime against this nation which can be committed by any man is the crime of dishonesty, whether in public life, or whether in private life, and we are not to be excused as a people if we ever condone such dishonesty, no matter what other qualities it may be associated with.”