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Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:06 pm**

a fan wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:37 pm
jhu72 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:19 pm
ggait wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 12:53 pm Pretty nefarious of Barr and Weiss to slow walk the investigation in order to prop up joe and have him beat trump in 2020.

And then more so since they arrange for Weiss to stay on after the election as a Manchurian prosecutor.

Guess trump is right. It was rigged against him. By his own people.

Maybe Weiss sucks as a prosecutor. If so, blame Barr and trump for that.
... I am starting to hear more republiCONs saying exactly that.
I'm sorry, fellas, holding Barr responsible for anything is a no-no. Only Garland is responsible. Because "TeamTinFoil sez so"....and you can't argue with that sort of high-level, rock-solid logic.

And it's telling that we don't have a single Dem in the House smart enough to ask the WB"s------"wait...so the investigation started in 2018, right? Yet you didn't pull all the warrants needed to get access to the necessary financial documents to actually begin the actual IRS investigation until 2020? So.....I have to ask ya: What the heck were you doing for two years, if you weren't attempting to assess Hunter's tax liability for the years in question?"

Yeah, nice hard, crunchy pretzel-logic…

Preferably a nice sourdough brushed with egg to induce a good Maillard reaction in the presence of the pH shifting sourdough…

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2023 4:11 pm**

Silly boys. The only way to enjoy a hot soft pretzel is with a home made queso sauce. Velveeta and Old Elpaso hot green chilies. That delicacy is loaded up and ready to go for the Bills game tomorrow. No pretzels though I'm going scoops.

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2023 5:38 pm**

a fan wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:37 pm I'm sorry, fellas, holding Barr responsible for anything is a no-no. Only Garland is responsible. Because "TeamTinFoil sez so"....and you can't argue with that sort of high-level, rock-solid logic.

...you are flailing, trying to find any irrelevancy you can to shift blame to Barr, the Trump DoJ, & anyone with a (R) behind their name.

The timing on the warrants is irrelevant in allowing the SOL to run.

Warrants were not the only source of evidence for the IRS investigators. They had reports of income to the IRS (like W-2's), SARs from banks & communications from the laptop.

Now a 3rd & 4th IRS official have testified, confirming the refusal of the Biden/Garland DoJ to prosecute & the refusal of the Biden/Garland US Atty's in DC & CA to partner with Weiss in bringing charges. That's what caused the SOL to expire, not some small delay years earlier to comply with standing DoJ policy on election interference.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... ging-biden
Hunter Biden investigation: Third IRS official says Justice Department blocked Weiss from charging
by Sarah Bedford, Investigative Reporter, September 21, 2023

A third IRS official confirmed that Delaware U.S. Attorney David Weiss faced roadblocks when attempting to bring charges against Hunter Biden, contradicting denials issued Wednesday by Attorney General Merrick Garland.

IRS Director of Field Operations Michael Batdorf told the House Ways and Means Committee in a closed-door interview on Sept. 12 that he felt “frustrated” by the refusal of the Justice Department to approve tax charges that IRS agents viewed as well-supported by evidence, according to a transcript of the interview obtained by the Washington Examiner.

He also said the IRS removed agent Gary Shapley, a whistleblower, from the Hunter Biden case at the direction of Weiss despite having done nothing wrong.

Batdorf’s testimony was the latest piece of evidence to suggest Weiss did not enjoy the unfettered authority to pursue Hunter Biden that Garland and others claimed he had.

Still, Batdorf, who was above Shapley in the IRS chain of command, stopped short of attributing the DOJ’s actions to bias in favor of President Joe Biden.

In addition to the two Joe Biden-appointed U.S. attorneys who refused to allow Weiss to bring charges against Hunter Biden in their districts, Batdorf said the DOJ Tax Division opposed bringing charges.

Batdorf said DOJ Tax argued against charges for Hunter Biden during a June 2022 meeting with Weiss and IRS officials, who were in favor of advancing the case.

“DOJ Tax would have to authorize charges prior to David Weiss recommending an indictment or prosecution,” Batdorf said during his interview.

“So, I mean, my understanding is that, I mean, he can’t make that decision without DOJ Tax authorization,” Batdorf said.

The IRS supervisor confirmed that Hunter Biden’s defense team was given an unusual number of chances, possibly as many as four, to meet with DOJ Tax investigators and argue why its client should not face charges.

Tensions between DOJ Tax and the IRS investigators over the strength of the case began after DOJ Tax officials started meeting with Hunter Biden’s defense lawyers, Batdorf said.

Rep. Chip Roy (R-TX) asked Garland on Wednesday about whether DOJ Tax had the ability to stop a U.S. attorney from proceeding on a tax case.

“Most of the time, but not when the attorney general has granted authority to a U.S. attorney to do what he thinks is best,” Garland said at the House Judiciary Committee hearing.

But Weiss did not appear to have that authority at the time.

Batdorf said he sensed frustration on the team that Weiss had found roadblocks on multiple paths to prosecuting Hunter Biden.

“I was frustrated,” he said. “[Weiss] was probably a little frustrated … because he now had to make some decisions on what he was going to do.”

Then, in the fall of last year, the investigation seemed to stall.

Batdorf said the case was effectively dormant from October 2022 until May this year. During the intervening months, investigators had little else to do except wait for Weiss to make a decision about whether to move the case forward or end it. Weiss did not decide to proceed until Shapley had already begun the process of testifying to Congress about the investigation.

“David Weiss made his decision to go forward in May. I’m not sure what drove that decision,” Batdorf said.

House Republicans have questioned whether it was the decision by Shapley and another IRS investigator, Joseph Ziegler, to share their concerns with Congress.

Batdorf said Weiss effectively asked for Shapley’s removal from the case in December 2022 after reviewing emails and memos in which Shapley had documented what he claimed was evidence of preferential treatment toward the Biden family. Weiss informed Batdorf and another IRS supervisor that he would no longer be responding to any of Shapley’s emails or calls.

The decision to remove Shapley’s team was made because, Batdorf said, the IRS supervisors feared Weiss would not move forward with a prosecution unless the IRS investigative team was replaced.

But because “no more investigative actions” remained after an Oct. 7, 2022, team meeting at which Weiss revealed his difficulties in bringing charges against Hunter Biden in a jurisdiction outside Delaware, Batdorf did not inform Shapley he was being pulled from the case until May of this year, when Weiss finally arrived at the decision to proceed, Batdorf said.

Batdorf also appeared to confirm that Lesley Wolf, the main prosecutor working on the investigation under Weiss, was removed from the case in May or June of this year. Hunter Biden’s legal team had worked closely with her in drafting the language of a now-withdrawn plea bargain offered to Hunter Biden until she seemingly dropped out of conversations, the New York Times reported in August.

Shapley had identified her as a constant obstacle to investigative moves the IRS team wanted to take, such as witness interviews or search warrants.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... biden-case
Fourth IRS official confirms DC and California prosecutors declined Hunter Biden case
by Sarah Bedford, Investigative Reporter, September 21, 2023

A fourth IRS official has told Congress about roadblocks that now-special counsel David Weiss faced last year in attempting to bring charges against Hunter Biden outside his district in Delaware.

Darrell Waldon, the former IRS special agent in charge of the agency’s Washington field office, told the House Ways and Means Committee in a closed-door interview earlier this month about a number of challenges he witnessed during his two years on the case, according to a transcript of the interview obtained by the Washington Examiner.

Waldon also discussed the IRS’s decision to remove a whistleblower, Gary Shapley, and the rest of Shapley’s IRS investigative team from the Hunter Biden investigation after Weiss stated he was no longer on speaking terms with Shapley.

“Mr. Weiss went to the U.S. Attorney's Office — I can't recall the dates — and they did not agree to prosecute the case in D.C.,” Waldon, who in February took another job within the IRS that moved him away from the Hunter Biden case, said.

“I'm aware that it was presented to the District of Columbia and, at some point, the Central District of California, I believe,” he testified.

Waldon was one of several officials from the IRS, FBI, and the U.S. attorney’s office in Delaware who attended an Oct. 7, 2022, meeting that Shapley described as a turning point for him in the investigation.

Although Waldon did not dispute the accuracy of notes that Shapley sent in an email shortly after the meeting, he did disagree with Shapley’s description of the meeting as contentious, and he said he did not independently recall some of the issues Shapley had included in his notes.

For example, Waldon said he recalled conversations about the options Weiss had left to move the case forward but said he did not remember Weiss specifically discussing a request to become special counsel.

“Generally, I didn't find it to be as contentious as Mr. Shapley had stated,” Waldon said. “There were certainly differences of opinion expressed, but that's typical.”

Waldon said his response to Shapley at the time of the meeting last fall was that he “agreed to what generally happened in the meeting.”

Waldon, who was above Shapley and another IRS whistleblower, Joseph Ziegler, on the IRS’s chain of command, had no role in the Hunter Biden investigation until years after it began.

Upon taking a new job atop the Washington field office in April 2021, which placed him in a supervisory role on the Hunter Biden case, Waldon testified that he heard from Shapley about investigative steps that Shapley felt the Justice Department or certain prosecutors had blocked him from taking, such as asking witnesses about other members of the Biden family or executing at least one search warrant.

But Waldon also felt that Shapley’s attempts to blame those roadblocks on political bias was “unsubstantiated.”

Waldon said he did not recall learning when the U.S. attorney in California, who was appointed by President Joe Biden, decided not to allow Weiss to charge Hunter Biden in his district. However, he did say he believed in the strength of the case.

“Generally speaking, if at that time the case went to the Central District of California, I would've agreed with it,” Waldon said.

Waldon’s testimony supported that of another IRS agent, Director of Field Operations Michael Batdorf, who also told the committee this month that the Joe Biden-appointed U.S. attorneys in Washington, D.C., and California declined to partner with Weiss on charges in their respective districts, blocking his ability to move forward for months.

Both Shapley and Ziegler testified to Congress this spring about the previously unknown involvement of the other U.S. attorneys.

Their involvement drew scrutiny because Attorney General Merrick Garland and others have frequently pointed to the fact that the Hunter Biden case is in the hands of a U.S. attorney that Joe Biden did not appoint, insulating it from bias. But Joe Biden-appointed U.S. attorneys appear to have placed significant limitations on how far the case could proceed for nearly a year.

Waldon said Weiss’s problems with Shapley led to his decision to remove the investigative team that Shapley oversaw.

“The U.S. Attorney's Office was no longer working or talking with Mr. Shapley. And there was no immediate — I didn't think that that would be resolved quickly,” Waldon said. “And in order to move the investigation forward, I recommended that, you know, he be removed so that we could continue to push the investigation forward.”

Batdorf, Waldon’s supervisor, also said he felt that Shapley’s continued presence on the team might dissuade Weiss from advancing the case.

Both said Weiss’s tensions with Shapley reached a boiling point after the Delaware U.S. attorney’s office demanded all of the emails and records written by the IRS investigative team that could be relevant in court.

Shapley told Congress this spring that he felt the effort amounted to a fishing expedition aimed at uncovering the complaints about the case that he’d documented for months, although Waldon and Batdorf did not characterize the discovery requests that way.

Some Justice Department officials have argued that seeking permission from a fellow U.S. attorney to charge a defendant in a jurisdiction outside one’s own is standard practice for prosecutors.

However, Garland had stated unequivocally that Weiss had all the authority he needed to bring criminal charges in any district he wanted months ago, and that did not appear to become accurate until Weiss requested a special counsel appointment in August.

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2023 5:59 pm**

Did the Washington Examiner publish the entire record of testimony of Batdorf, given 'behind closed doors"?

Or are we being asked to simply accept their interpretation of what was said, as they select fragments in support?

Here's one thing I noticed: "Still, Batdorf, who was above Shapley in the IRS chain of command, stopped short of attributing the DOJ’s actions to bias in favor of President Joe Biden."

And: "He also said the IRS removed agent Gary Shapley, a whistleblower, from the Hunter Biden case at the direction of Weiss despite having done nothing wrong."

So, Weiss, the Trump appointed prosecutor got fed up with Shapley...right?

NOTHING in those fragments pulled out demonstrates that anyone other than Weiss made the decision as to whether to prosecute Hunter, whether to allow SOLs to run out, having been prior extended.

NOTHING but speculation by Batdorf as to what support, cooperation, or permission Weiss needed to make his own decisions as to what resources, support, or authority he needed to take action.

And we remain with Weiss saying he had full authority to make those calls, including any request he felt he needed to make to give him jurisdictional authority to bring cases outside of Delaware. Which, as soon as he requested such, was given right away.

The only way these conspiracy theories make sense is if Weiss is lying. (and Garland is lying). And yeah, it also only works if Barr didn't think the matter deserved a bigger push forward, that Weiss would need greater authority than he might get under the next administration.

And Wray and Rettig...why don't they get called by Congress?
Might not given the answers they want??

Totally full of it...Washington Examiner...

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2023 6:02 pm**

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 5:38 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:37 pm I'm sorry, fellas, holding Barr responsible for anything is a no-no. Only Garland is responsible. Because "TeamTinFoil sez so"....and you can't argue with that sort of high-level, rock-solid logic.
...you are flailing, trying to find any irrelevancy you can to shift blame to Barr, the Trump DoJ, & anyone with a (R) behind their name

I'm not trying to shift blame to anyone. I don't care what happens to Hunter one way or another. Throw him in jail. Don't throw him in jail. Whatever works. He's a civilian. This taxpayer doesn't care what happens to him.

I'm simply telling you that this can be explained rationally without the TinFoilHat conspiracy that you and your buddies lap up like drooling idiots that enjoy so very much. EVERYTHING is a conspiracy. Keep clicking on that, my man.

And Weiss has a R by his name.

But you don't want to hear of it, because it ruins the reception you're getting on your TInFoilHat, so.....

You "win", OS. Yes, Weiss is trying to protect Hunter Biden, and I'm "in on it", and trying to protect Weiss. You caught us with your brilliant detective work. Way to go!

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2023 6:13 pm**

a fan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 6:02 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 5:38 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:37 pm I'm sorry, fellas, holding Barr responsible for anything is a no-no. Only Garland is responsible. Because "TeamTinFoil sez so"....and you can't argue with that sort of high-level, rock-solid logic.
...you are flailing, trying to find any irrelevancy you can to shift blame to Barr, the Trump DoJ, & anyone with a (R) behind their name
I'm not trying to shift blame to anyone. I don't care what happens to Hunter one way or another. Throw him in jail. Don't throw him in jail. Whatever works. He's a civilian. This taxpayer doesn't care what happens to him.

I'm simply telling you that this can be explained rationally without the TinFoilHat conspiracy that you and your buddies lap up like drooling idiots that enjoy so very much. EVERYTHING is a conspiracy. Keep clicking on that, my man.

And Weiss has a R by his name.

But you don't want to hear of it, because it ruins the reception you're getting on your TInFoilHat, so.....

You "win", OS. Yes, Weiss is trying to protect Hunter Biden, and I'm "in on it", and trying to protect Weiss. You caught us with your brilliant detective work. Way to go!

What precisely is the tin foil conspiracy ? That Hunter failed to pay his income taxes ?

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2023 6:22 pm**

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 5:38 pm Both said Weiss’s tensions with Shapley reached a boiling point after the Delaware U.S. attorney’s office demanded all of the emails and records written by the IRS investigative team that could be relevant in court.

Shapley told Congress this spring that he felt the effort amounted to a fishing expedition aimed at uncovering the complaints about the case that he’d documented for months, although Waldon and Batdorf did not characterize the discovery requests that way.

This is TeamTinFoil explained perfectly. So the IRS investigators work this case, working jointly for 5 years to try and convict Hunter.

And when the Doj asks for the IRS' investigators' work, so that they can, oh I don't know, finally indict and prosecute Hunter-----you know, the ENTIRE reason for the IRS investigation-----the Wash Examiner spins this as a bad, nefarious thing.

Question for TeamTinFoil: if the IRS investigators don't want to give the DoJ prosecutor the results of their investigation? What the heck did they investigate at all? For sport? Did they join a "Fantasy Court League" when no one as looking.

Where the F did these people go to college that this stuff makes even a little sense?

Just...spectacular.

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2023 6:24 pm**

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 6:13 pm What precisely is the tin foil conspiracy ? That Hunter failed to pay his income taxes ?

You tell me! You move the goalposts on your conspiracy on a daily basis.

Fara violations. Weiss covering for Joe. Weiss covering for Hunter. Dems are bad. Joe got paid and Weiss is covering it up. Wray is in on it. Rettig is in on it. Etc. Etc.

You tell me. I've completely lost track.

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:23 pm**

a fan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 6:22 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 5:38 pm Both said Weiss’s tensions with Shapley reached a boiling point after the Delaware U.S. attorney’s office demanded all of the emails and records written by the IRS investigative team that could be relevant in court.

Shapley told Congress this spring that he felt the effort amounted to a fishing expedition aimed at uncovering the complaints about the case that he’d documented for months, although Waldon and Batdorf did not characterize the discovery requests that way.

This is TeamTinFoil explained perfectly. So the IRS investigators work this case, working jointly for 5 years to try and convict Hunter.

And when the Doj asks for the IRS' investigators' work, so that they can, oh I don't know, finally indict and prosecute Hunter-----you know, the ENTIRE reason for the IRS investigation-----the Wash Examiner spins this as a bad, nefarious thing.

Question for TeamTinFoil: if the IRS investigators don't want to give the DoJ prosecutor the results of their investigation? What the heck did they investigate at all? For sport? Did they join a "Fantasy Court League" when no one as looking.

Where the F did these people go to college that this stuff makes even a little sense?

Just...spectacular.

Typical of you. Grasp one detail, then misrepresent & exaggerate it.
The Washington Examiner is not spinning anything, They're quoting actual testimony.

The #3 & #4 IRS officials corroborate the #1 & #2 WB's details, but you disregard that & focus on an arcane detail about how Weiss pushed back against the IRS investigators.

You left out this :
Batdorf said Weiss effectively asked for Shapley’s removal from the case in December 2022 after reviewing emails and memos in which Shapley had documented what he claimed was evidence of preferential treatment toward the Biden family. Weiss informed Batdorf and another IRS supervisor that he would no longer be responding to any of Shapley’s emails or calls.

The decision to remove Shapley’s team was made because, Batdorf said, the IRS supervisors feared Weiss would not move forward with a prosecution unless the IRS investigative team was replaced.

But because “no more investigative actions” remained after an Oct. 7, 2022, team meeting at which Weiss revealed his difficulties in bringing charges against Hunter Biden in a jurisdiction outside Delaware, Batdorf did not inform Shapley he was being pulled from the case until May of this year, when Weiss finally arrived at the decision to proceed, Batdorf said.

& this :
Batdorf said the case was effectively dormant from October 2022 until May this year. During the intervening months, investigators had little else to do except wait for Weiss to make a decision about whether to move the case forward or end it. Weiss did not decide to proceed until Shapley had already begun the process of testifying to Congress about the investigation.

Of course there were differences of opinion between the IRS officials & Weiss.
Were there not, the WB's would not have come forward.

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:31 pm**

a fan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 6:24 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 6:13 pm What precisely is the tin foil conspiracy ? That Hunter failed to pay his income taxes ?
You tell me! You move the goalposts on your conspiracy on a daily basis.

Fara violations. Weiss covering for Joe. Weiss covering for Hunter. Dems are bad. Joe got paid and Weiss is covering it up. Wray is in on it. Rettig is in on it. Etc. Etc.

You tell me. I've completely lost track.

Here's what I want --
-- Hunter to pay all the taxes, penalties & interest than any other citizen would.
-- Assurance that all of Hunter's income, foreign & domestic, paid to him & his family members, was reported & taxed accordingly.
-- Assurance that Hunter's foreign work is investigated for money laundering & FARA compliance with the same zeal as were Manafort, Gates & Flynn.
-- That Hunter be charged & tried the same as any other citizen would be, including the Trump supporters I named above.

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:38 pm**

MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 5:59 pm Did the Washington Examiner publish the entire record of testimony of Batdorf, given 'behind closed doors"?

Or are we being asked to simply accept their interpretation of what was said, as they select fragments in support?

Here's one thing I noticed: "Still, Batdorf, who was above Shapley in the IRS chain of command, stopped short of attributing the DOJ’s actions to bias in favor of President Joe Biden."

And: "He also said the IRS removed agent Gary Shapley, a whistleblower, from the Hunter Biden case at the direction of Weiss despite having done nothing wrong."

So, Weiss, the Trump appointed prosecutor got fed up with Shapley...right?

NOTHING in those fragments pulled out demonstrates that anyone other than Weiss made the decision as to whether to prosecute Hunter, whether to allow SOLs to run out, having been prior extended.

NOTHING but speculation by Batdorf as to what support, cooperation, or permission Weiss needed to make his own decisions as to what resources, support, or authority he needed to take action.

And we remain with Weiss saying he had full authority to make those calls, including any request he felt he needed to make to give him jurisdictional authority to bring cases outside of Delaware. Which, as soon as he requested such, was given right away.

The only way these conspiracy theories make sense is if Weiss is lying. (and Garland is lying). And yeah, it also only works if Barr didn't think the matter deserved a bigger push forward, that Weiss would need greater authority than he might get under the next administration.

And Wray and Rettig...why don't they get called by Congress?
Might not given the answers they want??

Totally full of it...Washington Examiner...

Why call Barr, Wray & Rettig, when Weiss his the answers himself ? The late SC appointment was just a way to shield Weiss from answering to Congress. He didn't need to be a SC if Garland was truthful in saying Weiss could have brought charges in DC & CA. Your obfuscation ignores the SOL question. The Wash Examiner is quoting from the testimony. You're just winging it.

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:58 pm**

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:31 pm Here's what I want --
-- Hunter to pay all the taxes, penalties & interest than any other citizen would.

He did that. Not anyone's fault that a corrupt donor paid the tab. Nothing we can do about that.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:31 pm -- Assurance that all of Hunter's income, foreign & domestic, paid to him & his family members, was reported & taxed accordingly.

That happened, too.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:31 pm -- Assurance that Hunter's foreign work is investigated for money laundering & FARA compliance with the same zeal as were Manafort, Gates & Flynn.

Five years of investigating, every day of it guided by Wray (R). You're good there, too. And Barr did some extra investigating of Ukraine, as you'll recall. You're covered.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:31 pm -- That Hunter be charged & tried the same as any other citizen would be, including the Trump supporters I named above.

That didn't happen. There is NO WAY they'd investigate a normal citizen like this, or have the Attorney General step in to direct the DoJ and IRS to work together. But that's, naturally, not what you meant. What you HONESTLY want is for them to throw the book at Hunter, and for him to serve time, and get the maximum penalties possible.

That's why you and I are butting heads. You're not being honest with what you want, and what you think. If you were being honest? To cite just one example, you'd agree with me that taking two years to pull some simple warrants deserves, at the very least, some explanation. It's weird....they had enough probable cause for Barr to step in....yet they can't pull some simple domestic bank records? It's strange, but it doesn't mean I think it's some conspiracy. With all lawyering, some stuff just make sense to civilians like you and me.

I'll leave you alone on this topic moving forward. Post away......

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2023 8:08 pm**

As I read what you excerpted, I don’t see any actual quotes from transcribed testimony. Rather, what I see is the newspaper’s characterization of what was in the transcript. Yes, they say they obtained a copy of the transcript (why didn’t they publish the entire transcript?), but they don’t quote actual testimony. The reader is left to wonder a couple of things. One, what did the Washington Examiner leave out? Two, did they fairly and accurately characterize the portions of the testimony included in their article?

Other sources have said Shapely was taken off the investigation because he had demonstrated that he was inappropriately biased against the Bidens. Apparently, he wanted to use the Hunter investigation to go after Joe. That would be entirely inappropriate and would be grounds for removing him from the case, if not terminating his employment.

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2023 8:13 pm**

a fan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:58 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:31 pm Here's what I want --
-- Hunter to pay all the taxes, penalties & interest than any other citizen would.
He did that. Not anyone's fault that a corrupt donor paid the tab. Nothing we can do about that.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:31 pm -- Assurance that all of Hunter's income, foreign & domestic, paid to him & his family members, was reported & taxed accordingly.
That happened, too.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:31 pm -- Assurance that Hunter's foreign work is investigated for money laundering & FARA compliance with the same zeal as were Manafort, Gates & Flynn.
Five years of investigating, every day of it guided by Wray (R). You're good there, too. And Barr did some extra investigating of Ukraine, as you'll recall. You're covered.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:31 pm -- That Hunter be charged & tried the same as any other citizen would be, including the Trump supporters I named above.
That didn't happen. There is NO WAY they'd investigate a normal citizen like this, or have the Attorney General step in to direct the DoJ and IRS to work together. But that's, naturally, not what you meant. What you HONESTLY want is for them to throw the book at Hunter, and for him to serve time, and get the maximum penalties possible.

That's why you and I are butting heads. You're not being honest with what you want, and what you think. If you were being honest? To cite just one example, you'd agree with me that taking two years to pull some simple warrants deserves, at the very least, some explanation. It's weird....they had enough probable cause for Barr to step in....yet they can't pull some simple domestic bank records? It's strange, but it doesn't mean I think it's some conspiracy. With all lawyering, some stuff just make sense to civilians like you and me.

I'll leave you alone on this topic moving forward. Post away......

Hunter hasn't paid all his back taxes (with penalties & interest). He skated on 2014, 2015 & 2016 because the SOL ran.
Thanks to the laptop, we're now learning how much foreign income he actually had for those years.

We don't know yet what Weiss has uncovered for 2017, 2018 & 2019 because he has yet to charge or report.

I want to see Hunter receive the same scrutiny that Manafort, Gates & Flynn received.
That was the same as any citizen would receive, right ?

I explained to you why the warrants MIGHT have been delayed for 6 mos under Barr (without impacting the SOL), but not for 2 years.

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2023 9:08 pm**

njbill wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 8:08 pm As I read what you excerpted, I don’t see any actual quotes from transcribed testimony. Rather, what I see is the newspaper’s characterization of what was in the transcript. Yes, they say they obtained a copy of the transcript (why didn’t they publish the entire transcript?), but they don’t quote actual testimony. The reader is left to wonder a couple of things. One, what did the Washington Examiner leave out? Two, did they fairly and accurately characterize the portions of the testimony included in their article?

Other sources have said Shapely was taken off the investigation because he had demonstrated that he was inappropriately biased against the Bidens. Apparently, he wanted to use the Hunter investigation to go after Joe. That would be entirely inappropriate and would be grounds for removing him from the case, if not terminating his employment.

Old Salt believes not liking a politician is disqualifying.

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2023 9:09 pm**

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 8:13 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:58 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:31 pm Here's what I want --
-- Hunter to pay all the taxes, penalties & interest than any other citizen would.
He did that. Not anyone's fault that a corrupt donor paid the tab. Nothing we can do about that.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:31 pm -- Assurance that all of Hunter's income, foreign & domestic, paid to him & his family members, was reported & taxed accordingly.
That happened, too.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:31 pm -- Assurance that Hunter's foreign work is investigated for money laundering & FARA compliance with the same zeal as were Manafort, Gates & Flynn.
Five years of investigating, every day of it guided by Wray (R). You're good there, too. And Barr did some extra investigating of Ukraine, as you'll recall. You're covered.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:31 pm -- That Hunter be charged & tried the same as any other citizen would be, including the Trump supporters I named above.
That didn't happen. There is NO WAY they'd investigate a normal citizen like this, or have the Attorney General step in to direct the DoJ and IRS to work together. But that's, naturally, not what you meant. What you HONESTLY want is for them to throw the book at Hunter, and for him to serve time, and get the maximum penalties possible.

That's why you and I are butting heads. You're not being honest with what you want, and what you think. If you were being honest? To cite just one example, you'd agree with me that taking two years to pull some simple warrants deserves, at the very least, some explanation. It's weird....they had enough probable cause for Barr to step in....yet they can't pull some simple domestic bank records? It's strange, but it doesn't mean I think it's some conspiracy. With all lawyering, some stuff just make sense to civilians like you and me.

I'll leave you alone on this topic moving forward. Post away......
Hunter hasn't paid all his back taxes (with penalties & interest). He skated on 2014, 2015 & 2016 because the SOL ran.
Thanks to the laptop, we're now learning how much foreign income he actually had for those years.

We don't know yet what Weiss has uncovered for 2017, 2018 & 2019 because he has yet to charge or report.

I want to see Hunter receive the same scrutiny that Manafort, Gates & Flynn received.
That was the same as any citizen would receive, right ?

I explained to you why the warrants MIGHT have been delayed for 6 mos under Barr (without impacting the SOL), but not for 2 years.

What government/political job does Hunter have?

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2023 9:43 pm**

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 8:13 pm I want to see Hunter receive the same scrutiny that Manafort, Gates & Flynn received.

You want Joe to pardon Hunter? Seriously?

And you remember what you and your pals did to the people who dared to investigate those three?

Again, I don't believe you. Sorry.

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2023 10:10 pm**

a fan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 9:43 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 8:13 pm I want to see Hunter receive the same scrutiny that Manafort, Gates & Flynn received.
You want Joe to pardon Hunter? Seriously?

And you remember what you and your pals did to the people who dared to investigate those three?

Again, I don't believe you. Sorry.

I didn't say pardon. I didn't say punish. I want him investigated with the same rigor as the 3 I named.

What did we do "to the people who dared to investigate those three?" Get them book deals & gigs on MSNBC & CNN ?

If it's all a tin foil hat conspiracy, Hunter will walk & Abbie Lowell will have another W for his resume.

Posted: **Sat Sep 23, 2023 10:24 pm**

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 10:10 pm I didn't say pardon. I didn't say punish. I want him investigated with the same rigor as the 3 I named.

Well we failed that right out of the gate. Were those three investigated for five years, with the meter still running? By three separate agencies?

So on that count, Hunter is getting the worst of that deal. Does this mean you're all set, and happy? Can I take a flyer here and say, no?

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 10:10 pm What did we do "to the people who dared to investigate those three?" Get them book deals & gigs on MSNBC & CNN ?

Investigate them 4 times, turn their lives upside down, and call them traitors to the Republic.

Do you not recall what you called these people, OS? For doing their jobs? Do you think that is was fun for those FBI agents who didn't break a single law, and who's only "crime" was that they didn't like Trump?

Barr, Wray and Rettig don't like Joe Biden. Do we follow your rules, and throw them under the bus, too, for daring to not like Joe Biden? That's what you did to your "lovebirds" in the FBI. You think Wray should be fired for not liking Joe?

You did when Trump was the target. You have two standards, OS. Always have.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 8:13 pm If it's all a tin foil hat conspiracy, Hunter will walk & Abbie Lowell will have another W for his resume.

That's not you you handled it, OS. You claimed that guilty pleas of felonies "didn't count" or "were process crimes". You diminished their felonies ,and went after the careers of those who dared to investigate.

And didn't complain when the pardon was handed out. You and I both know you'd flip out if Joe pardoned Hunter.

Two standards. It's ok to have two standard OS....most partisans do. There are millions who think just like you do.

What I find silly is that you DENY you have two standards, when you know perfectly well that's how you roll.........

Again, I'm happy to walk from this thread, and move on....

Posted: **Sun Sep 24, 2023 2:13 am**

a fan wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 10:24 pm
old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 10:10 pm I didn't say pardon. I didn't say punish. I want him investigated with the same rigor as the 3 I named.
Well we failed that right out of the gate. Were those three investigated for five years, with the meter still running? By three separate agencies?
It hung over Flynn for 4 years & he was pardoned only because the Judge delayed sentencing & would not allow the DoJ to drop the charges. Papadop took a plea & was still hung up for 18 mos before he finally served 2 weeks where he was treated like a hero. That's 2 weeks longer than Weiss was asking for Hunter to serve before his plea deal fell apart.

So on that count, Hunter is getting the worst of that deal. Does this mean you're all set, and happy? Can I take a flyer here and say, no?
Hunter failed to pay his tax for 6 years. That's why he was investigated for 5.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 10:10 pm What did we do "to the people who dared to investigate those three?" Get them book deals & gigs on MSNBC & CNN ?
Investigate them 4 times, turn their lives upside down, and call them traitors to the Republic.
Blame the DoJ IG. They brought it on themselves. Little to no investigation was required. They texted on their govt issued devices. McCabe was caught leaking to the media.

Do you not recall what you called these people, OS? For doing their jobs? Do you think that is was fun for those FBI agents who didn't break a single law, and who's only "crime" was that they didn't like Trump?
Again. Blame the DoJ IG. All that happened was they were fired, for good cause.. McCabe even got to keep his pension.

Barr, Wray and Rettig don't like Joe Biden. Do we follow your rules, and throw them under the bus, too, for daring to not like Joe Biden? That's what you did to your "lovebirds" in the FBI. You think Wray should be fired for not liking Joe?
Again. Blame the DoJ IG, He started investigating before Trump was in office,

You did when Trump was the target. You have two standards, OS. Always have.
Yeah, & Mueller found no collusion with Russia, no charges against Trump, just process crimes generated by the investigators & unrelated crimes from before the campaign. How much time & money was wasted on that wild goose chase & how much of a distraction & burden was it on the Trump Presidency.

old salt wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 8:13 pm If it's all a tin foil hat conspiracy, Hunter will walk & Abbie Lowell will have another W for his resume.
That's not you you handled it, OS. You claimed that guilty pleas of felonies "didn't count" or "were process crimes". You diminished their felonies ,and went after the careers of those who dared to investigate.
Again. The investigators generated the process crimes. Manafort plead to crimes from before the campaign. The investigation was supposed to find collusion with Russia. It failed.

And didn't complain when the pardon was handed out. You and I both know you'd flip out if Joe pardoned Hunter.
Manafort served hard time before he was pardoned. They nearly bankrupted Flynn & Papadop over perjury traps. i don't care if Hunter is pardoned, so long as it comes after an accurate accounting of any criminal activity or influence peddling. That will just confirm the double standard & establish Hunter as the ultimate privileged white man. He's already the world's most lavishly enabled addict. How much has his sugar bro ponied up for him so far. You should buy one of his paintings to show your support.

Two standards. It's ok to have two standard OS....most partisans do. There are millions who think just like you do.
74 million & growing. After all the self-righteous hysteria about Trump, the double standard hypocrisy is rich.

What I find silly is that you DENY you have two standards, when you know perfectly well that's how you roll.........
You confuse standards with results. I warned you this would happen when the Russia hoax investigation flopped & Pelosi trivialized impeachment. This is the new normal. Welcome to the criminalization of politics & the weaponization of our justice systems. How many indictments of Trump, all delayed to coincide with the campaign.

Again, I'm happy to walk from this thread, and move on....
So move on. Nobody's making you respond. Good riddance.

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