D1 Men Rankings

[admin]

After today, PSU is still #1, Penn and Maryland traded spots so Penn is now #2 while Maryland is #3, OSU dropped from #5 to #7 (Loyola and Cornell passed OSU), and Rutgers jumped from #20 to #15. Computer Rankings.

[Cooter]

In the Coaches Poll, the Terps actually moved up to #2, so that must have been the epitome of a "good loss". Although, I imagine part of the Terps rise was due to the fact that UNC and Penn, who the Terps have beaten both won big game.
Penn State unanimous #1 this week, as they should be.

1 Penn State (20) 400 8-1 1
2 Maryland 358 8-2 3
3 Loyola Maryland 352 7-2 6
4 Virginia 331 8-2 7
5 Yale 327 6-2 2
6 Duke 283 8-3 5
7 Ohio State 254 7-1 4
8 Penn 250 5-3 13
9 Notre Dame 233 5-3 12
10 Denver 210 6-3 9
11 Towson 204 6-3 10
12 Cornell 192 6-3 10
13 Syracuse 190 5-3 8
14 Lehigh 133 7-3 14
15 High Point 99 8-2 15
16 Army West Point 96 8-2 17
17 Massachusetts 89 7-3 16
18 North Carolina 56 7-3 NR
19 Rutgers 48 6-4 NR
20 Johns Hopkins 39 5-4 18

Others receiving votes: Hobart 29, Villanova 10, Georgetown 7, Richmond 6, Delaware 4

[Cooter]

It is sort of interesting how the Coaches Poll has a big break between #13 Syracuse (190) and #14 Lehigh (133) or 57 points - almost 3 points a pollster.
If you take the top 13, there are 5 possible AQs amongst them - Big Ten (PSU), Patriot (Loyola), Ivy (Yale), Big East (Denver), and CAA (Towson).
This would leave 8 at-large schools: Maryland, UVa, Duke, OSU, Penn, ND, Cornell, and Syracuse.

[admin]

1 Penn State (20) 400 8-1 1
2 Maryland 358 8-2 3
3 Loyola Maryland 352 7-2 6
4 Virginia 331 8-2 7
5 Yale 327 6-2 2
6 Duke 283 8-3 5
7 Ohio State 254 7-1 4
8 Penn 250 5-3 13
9 Notre Dame 233 5-3 12
10 Denver 210 6-3 9
11 Towson 204 6-3 10
12 Cornell 192 6-3 10
13 Syracuse 190 5-3 8
14 Lehigh 133 7-3 14
15 High Point 99 8-2 15
16 Army West Point 96 8-2 17
17 Massachusetts 89 7-3 16
18 North Carolina 56 7-3 NR
19 Rutgers 48 6-4 NR
20 Johns Hopkins 39 5-4 18

1-13 are relative perennial powers. Though with exceptions, 14 down are not. Whether consciously or not, pollsters have prejudices. Anyway, that's my theory.

PS Penn is too low. 2 of their 3 losses are to #1 and #2. Their third loss is to #6 and... they beat Villanova, Cornell, and #5 Yale.

[runrussellrun]

Early in the season one poster described Penn as a cupcake. I wouldn't have even call Furman a cupcake in January. but now, the 1-8 Pallidans have squarley joined the few, the proud few.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=680NlRI3v2I

[laxpert]

It is sort of interesting how the Coaches Poll has a big break between #13 Syracuse (190) and #14 Lehigh (133) or 57 points - almost 3 points a pollster.
If you take the top 13, there are 5 possible AQs amongst them - Big Ten (PSU), Patriot (Loyola), Ivy (Yale), Big East (Denver), and CAA (Towson).
This would leave 8 at-large schools: Maryland, UVa, Duke, OSU, Penn, ND, Cornell, and Syracuse.

There's going to be some teams strong enough to play on Memorial Day that get left out in 2019. An upset or two in Conference Championships and the Selection Committees tough job will be even tougher. I think more so this year than in the past.

[PizzaSnake]

It is sort of interesting how the Coaches Poll has a big break between #13 Syracuse (190) and #14 Lehigh (133) or 57 points - almost 3 points a pollster.
If you take the top 13, there are 5 possible AQs amongst them - Big Ten (PSU), Patriot (Loyola), Ivy (Yale), Big East (Denver), and CAA (Towson).
This would leave 8 at-large schools: Maryland, UVa, Duke, OSU, Penn, ND, Cornell, and Syracuse.

At 3-0 and alone in first place in the Ivy League, Penn is certainly a probable AQ.

[admin]

D1 MEN:
Biggest Wins: Duke beat Notre Dame, UVA beat UNC, Johns Hopkins beat Rutgers, Villanova beat Denver.
Biggest Upsets: Hartford beat UMass-Lowell, Bellarmine beat VMI, and Hofstra beat UMass.
And... Computer Rankings updated.

[DocBarrister]

Johns Hopkins ranked 11th. I think that’s about right.

DocBarrister

[DU-fan]

Perhaps we are seeing some consistency at the top of the rankings. Although the middle to lower teams mostly lost.

My guess on tomorrow's IL media ranking:

Rank Prev Rank Team Result
1 | 1  Penn State (9 - 1) Beat OSU
2 | 2  Loyola (8 - 2) Beat Lehigh
3 | 3  Maryland (9 - 2) Beat Mich
4 | 4  Virginia (9 - 2) Beat UNC
5 | 5  Yale (6 - 2) Beat Dartmouth
6 | 6  Penn (5 - 3) Beat Brown
7 | 8  Duke (8 - 3) Beat ND
8 | 10  Cornell (7 - 3) Beat Harvard
9 | 11  Syracuse (6 - 3) Beat Hobart
10 | 7  Notre Dame (5 - 4) Lost to Duke
11 | 12  Towson (7 - 3) Beat Fairfield
12 | 9  Ohio State (7 - 2) Lost to PSU
13 | 14  High Point (9 - 2) Beat Air Force
14 | 13  Denver (6 - 3) Lost to Nova
15 | 15  Lehigh (7 - 4) Lost to Loyola
16 | 16  Army (8 - 3) Lost to BU
17 | 21 Johns Hopkins (6-4) Beat Rutgers
18 | 22 Villanova (7-4) Beat Denver
19 | 17  UMass (7 - 4) Lost to Hofstra
20 | 18  Rutgers (6 - 4) Lost to JHU
21 | 19  North Carolina (7 - 4) Lost to UVA
23 | 23 Georgetown Beat Providence
24 | 20  Hobart (8 - 2) Lost to SU
25 | 24 Delaware Beat Drexel

[Cooter]

I don't know why anyone would really want to predict the media poll as it is a little spurious.
That being said Denver is actually 6-4 now. Given that Villanova beat Denver out in Denver, and Villanova also has beaten Yale. I think Villanova should probably be ahead of Denver.

[runrussellrun]

I don't know why anyone would really want to predict the media poll as it is a little spurious.
That being said Denver is actually 6-4 now. Given that Villanova beat Denver out in Denver, and Villanova also has beaten Yale. I think Villanova should probably be ahead of Denver.

Besides Cleveland, who HAS Denver beaten? When someone other than Towson wins the CAA, will it finally be a two team invite conference?

[DU-fan]

I don't know why anyone would really want to predict the media poll as it is a little spurious.
That being said Denver is actually 6-4 now. Given that Villanova beat Denver out in Denver, and Villanova also has beaten Yale. I think Villanova should probably be ahead of Denver.

Besides Cleveland, who HAS Denver beaten? When someone other than Towson wins the CAA, will it finally be a two team invite conference?

Denver did beat Towson and UNC

[DU-fan]

Perhaps we are seeing some consistency at the top of the rankings. Although the middle to lower teams mostly lost.

My guess on tomorrow's IL media ranking:

Rank Prev Rank Team Result
1 | 1  Penn State (9 - 1) Beat OSU
2 | 2  Loyola (8 - 2) Beat Lehigh
3 | 3  Maryland (9 - 2) Beat Mich
4 | 4  Virginia (9 - 2) Beat UNC
5 | 5  Yale (6 - 2) Beat Dartmouth
6 | 6  Penn (5 - 3) Beat Brown
7 | 8  Duke (8 - 3) Beat ND
8 | 10  Cornell (7 - 3) Beat Harvard
9 | 11  Syracuse (6 - 3) Beat Hobart
10 | 7  Notre Dame (5 - 4) Lost to Duke
11 | 12  Towson (7 - 3) Beat Fairfield
12 | 9  Ohio State (7 - 2) Lost to PSU
13 | 14  High Point (9 - 2) Beat Air Force
14 | 13  Denver (6 - 3) Lost to Nova
15 | 15  Lehigh (7 - 4) Lost to Loyola
16 | 16  Army (8 - 3) Lost to BU
17 | 21 Johns Hopkins (6-4) Beat Rutgers
18 | 22 Villanova (7-4) Beat Denver
19 | 17  UMass (7 - 4) Lost to Hofstra
20 | 18  Rutgers (6 - 4) Lost to JHU
21 | 19  North Carolina (7 - 4) Lost to UVA
23 | 23 Georgetown Beat Providence
24 | 20  Hobart (8 - 2) Lost to SU
25 | 24 Delaware Beat Drexel

Division I Media Poll
Rank Team Points Prev
1 Penn State (9 - 1) 520 (26) 1
2 Loyola (8 - 2) 471 2
3 Maryland (9 - 2) 458 3
4 Virginia (9 - 2) 436 4
5 Yale (7 - 2) 418 5
6 Penn (6 - 3) 390 6
7 Duke (9 - 3) 377 8
8 Cornell (7 - 3) 314 10
9 Syracuse (6 - 3) 304 11
10 Notre Dame (5 - 4) 270 7
11 Towson (7 - 3) 257 12
12 Ohio State (7 - 2) 251 9
13 High Point (9 - 2) 225 14
14 Villanova (7 - 4) 161 22
15 Denver (6 - 4) 132 13
16 Johns Hopkins (6 - 4) 128 21
17 Lehigh (7 - 4) 104 15
18 North Carolina (7 - 4) 77 19
19 UMass (7 - 4) 43 17
20 Army (8 - 3) 30 16
Receiving Votes:

Delaware, Richmond, Rutgers, Boston University, Georgetown, Marquette, Princeton, Mount St Mary's

[runrussellrun]

I don't know why anyone would really want to predict the media poll as it is a little spurious.
That being said Denver is actually 6-4 now. Given that Villanova beat Denver out in Denver, and Villanova also has beaten Yale. I think Villanova should probably be ahead of Denver.

Besides Cleveland, who HAS Denver beaten? When someone other than Towson wins the CAA, will it finally be a two team invite conference?

Denver did beat Towson and UNC

SO? Would it matter if Denver had beaten Duke and UVA? B/c, the way you have High Point ranked, it clearly doesn't matter. Or, does it? SO confused

[10stone5]

I don't know why anyone would really want to predict the media poll as it is a little spurious.
That being said Denver is actually 6-4 now. Given that Villanova beat Denver out in Denver, and Villanova also has beaten Yale. I think Villanova should probably be ahead of Denver.

Besides Cleveland, who HAS Denver beaten? When someone other than Towson wins the CAA, will it finally be a two team invite conference?

Not this year.
Tigers had a couple shots at locking up an At Large.
Against Denver and Duke. Were winning both those games.

[DU-fan]

Like it or not, the Media Poll is based on what your ranking was last week and what have you done for me lately. I am a big Highpoint fan, but their early big wins don't give them the credit they deserve.

[runrussellrun]

Like it or not, the Media Poll is based on what your ranking was last week and what have you done for me lately. I am a big Highpoint fan, but their early big wins don't give them the credit they deserve.

But, this doesn't apply to Loyola? B/c Patriot is yet another one team invite conference, but the trophy for everyone ACC (not even a real league) gets 5 at larges? Ah....good ole n$aa......the land of good loses. What has Notre Dame done lately, except lose, lose lose. Ranked 10th. Got it.

Boston U. have any good loses, or does that moniker only fit certain laundry? BU have any good wins? Army ranked?

[Cooter]

I think HIgh Point's losses to two teams (St.John's, Jacksonville) who have losing records and are no where near the top 20, probably holds down their ranking.

[HopFan16]

I think HIgh Point's losses to two teams (St.John's, Jacksonville) who have losing records and are no where near the top 20, probably holds down their ranking.

Also, shouldn't rankings be a reflection of how teams are currently performing? We have the selection committee to decide whose overall body of work over the course of a season is most impressive. But in-season rankings should be about who the best teams are right now, IMO. In that case I think High Point should be even lower than they are. The loss to 3-8 Jacksonville was only two weeks ago, and since then they haven't exactly beaten anyone good. Duke and UVA are also very different teams now than they were in February. Luckily for High Point, a win in February counts as much as a win in April in terms of tournament selection. But for rankings, that doesn't need to be the case. I do think High Point is still one of the 20 best teams in the country, but I'd put them outside the top 15 for right now.