Re: President Donald J. Trump—Part ll
Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2024 1:26 pm
jhu72 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2024 1:11 pm... Frank Figliuzzi, explained SS manpower levels within 24 hours of the event. They are highly understaffed according to him. They are using the auxiliary organizations available to them and they are still understaffed! This event happened when a lot of staff was in downtown Milwaukee, drawing down even more staff than usual. No rah rah slogans are going to change the facts.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 8:35 amI'm 100% for letting the investigation and the investigators come to their own conclusions. What I disagree with vehemently is the suggestion that the secret service is too woefully understaffed to do the job they are tasked to do. When needed there are plenty of highly qualified federal law enforcement agencies that can augment the secret service when and if needed. There is the FBI, The US Marshall service, The Federal Air Marshall service and a variety of law enforcement agencies that train extensively for high profile security assignments.MDlaxfan76 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 8:02 amcradle,cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 7:52 amMy son applied for a position with the secret service. The deal breaker for him was having no choice where you would be assigned to. They are massively understaffed because the training is very intense and the washout rate is high. Dedicating more funding will get you more candidates. If you don't have the right stuff to begin with your not going to make. It does not matter where the location is or what party is having the event. The secret service is tasked to provide security and make it happen. Whatever the security plan was it was arranged and organized by the secret service. No way in hell the secret service will ever admit they are incapable of doing the job they are assigned to so. They may not like the assignment but there job is to make it happen.jhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 7:32 am....cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 7:20 amThe secret service had ample time to come up with a security plan. If they needed more people all they needed to do was request them. All of these hearings that will soon take place should be able to identify the security shortcomings. The secret service may be uncomfortable with the task at hand. They sure as hell are never going to tell higher ups they are incapable of handling the security assignment handed to them. Failure is not an option has evolved into whiny people griping that they can't do their job.jhu72 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 6:58 am... I forgot King Trump is infallible, and he should get what he wants no matter the reality -- he can always blame his mistakes on someone else. The SS didn't pick that site, whoever did made a mistake. The SS protocol was clearly not able to handle that open of a site. They clearly didn't have the manpower necessary. That was clearly Joe Biden's fault, because he schedules the SS.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2024 6:38 amSecret service gets antsy at any open air venue. It complicates the security protocols. At the end of the day providing security is their mission in life. Trying to pass the blame onto trumps team is nonsensical.jhu72 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 10:05 pm... someone from Trump's campaign would have to signoff as well, the SS is not putting their neck on the line without the client. They should never have picked that site. That was Trump's team's fault. I would guess the SS warned against the site when they saw it.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 5:48 pmThat should not be very difficult to verify. The security plan would have gone into great detail what responsibility of each law enforcement agency was. Someone certainly in the leadership level of secret service would have had to approve it and sign off on it.njbill wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2024 5:44 pm CNN reported earlier today that the Secret Service has said they delegated responsibility for securing that rooftop to local law enforcement. Didn’t say precisely which local law enforcement agency.
Regardless, one would think the Secret Service agent in charge would take a look to see whether that roof had been secured before Trump was allowed up on the podium. When he saw it wasn’t, he should not have allowed Trump on the stage.
Yeah, I know, I have zero training and experience in law-enforcement, but that’s what I think about the situation.
Trump campaign were told / warned. This will come out in the hearings. The SS won't take the fall by themselves for the site, and their higher ups will support them if the Trump campaign was warned and signed off, ie., if the SS followed process.
PS -- the SS is massively understaffed. Has been for years.
They normally perform this mission flawlessly. This past Saturday they dropped the ball for reasons that will soon be looked into with a fine tooth comb. There are many tough questions that will be asked and the higher ups at the secret service had better have answers ready.
The SS has limited resources and is tasked with many events, with varying levels of resources applied to such. They do not have the manpower themselves to control all situations, especially if a candidate wishes to relax elements of the security for the purposes of the campaign. Which is more typical than not. So, they coordinate with local and state police to augment what they can and provide expertise that a local police force may not have for such.
Clearly there were security lapses in this event. Surely the SS will be implicated to some extent in those lapses, at least in managing the overall execution, but there are very likely other players involved, both local policing and the campaign.
Let's let this play out before rushing to any conclusions other than there was indeed a lapse.
When my son was a FAM he was once attached to the secret service for a security detail in DC that involved added security at Reagan International. If the secret service felt they needed additional high level security officers all they had to do was ask. If their request was denied then you document and take note of who shot your request down. One thing I guarantee you will not hear at any congressional investigation will be the director of the secret service admitting they didn't have the personnel to do their job.
There was an expression I heard a 1000 times when I was in the army... The maximum effective range of an excuse is zero meters. I'm sure that holds true for the secret service. I have no doubt they are understaffed. That doesn't change the fact they have to adapt and overcome and successfully complete the mission assigned to them. To coin another cliche...failure is not an option.