https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/01 ... re_americaMatnum PI wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:34 am Kyle Griffin@kylegriffin1
2 hours ago
Joe Biden has announced the nomination of Dr. Rachel Levine to serve as Assistant Secretary for Health at the United States Department of Health and Human Services.
She is poised to become the first openly transgender federal official to be confirmed by the U.S. Senate.
Sure you do! You just posted an OpEd telling everyone that Obama failed, implying that you agree with it.
I didn't get upset in the least when you called me a liar....three times now. I got a chuckle. I don't have thin skin.
Did you "forget" all the exigent circumstances Obama had to deal with? Things like, oh, I don't know.... keeping the American Economy from sliding into the abyss after the 08 crash? That seems a tad more important than doing whatever it is you think we should do with trade with China, wouldn't you think?
......I mean.....really, tech? You're sure Obama failed, and has no excuse. Yet Trump? You're----come on----telling me that gee whiz, you're not sure if he succeeded or not?
Did he do it, or not?
Ain’t nothing like relying on facts.a fan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:11 pmSure you do! You just posted an OpEd telling everyone that Obama failed, implying that you agree with it.
Failed at what? Once you answer that question, then you know what it is you want Biden to do.
So plainly you think Obama failed. Spell it out. What did he fail to do? Let's finish this conversation.
I didn't get upset in the least when you called me a liar....three times now. I got a chuckle. I don't have thin skin.
I'm sorry, but you simply don't realize what you do. Look at how you're handling Trump-----a boatload of excuses as to why he, among other things, wasn't reelected. As if Trump is the first POTUS to deal with things that are beyond his control.
Yet with Obama? Flat judgement from you. No discussion of things beyond Obama's control. No excuses.
THAT is what we're discussing here. You don't even notice you do this. You just do it, and then get upset with me when I simply point out that you're not treating Dem and R leaders using the same metric. R's get every benefit of the doubt, no matter how ridiculous. Dems? They get nothing, and you send a scathing OpEd to tell me how horribly the Dem POTUS fared with China.
Case in point:Did you "forget" all the exigent circumstances Obama had to deal with? Things like, oh, I don't know.... keeping the American Economy from sliding into the abyss after the 08 crash? That seems a tad more important than doing whatever it is you think we should do with trade with China, wouldn't you think?
Nope. Who cares about stupid details like that, right? We're discussing a Democrat. And Obama failed.
And then let's see how you deal with Trump....
......I mean.....really, tech? You're sure Obama failed, and has no excuse. Yet Trump? You're----come on----telling me that gee whiz, you're not sure if he succeeded or not?
Let me help you. Here's your words as to what you wanted Trump to stop:
Did he do it, or not?
-Is China still stealing IP?
-Is China still manufacturing components for illegal drugs used in the US?
Pretty simple, and these were YOUR goals, not mine.
So? Did you stop both of the above, or was he 'impotent" like Obama, and failed?
Huawei - prime example of follow the money. Why did Trump continue to ease restrictions against them?a fan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:11 pmSure you do! You just posted an OpEd telling everyone that Obama failed, implying that you agree with it.
Failed at what? Once you answer that question, then you know what it is you want Biden to do.
So plainly you think Obama failed. Spell it out. What did he fail to do? Let's finish this conversation.
I didn't get upset in the least when you called me a liar....three times now. I got a chuckle. I don't have thin skin.
I'm sorry, but you simply don't realize what you do. Look at how you're handling Trump-----a boatload of excuses as to why he, among other things, wasn't reelected. As if Trump is the first POTUS to deal with things that are beyond his control.
Yet with Obama? Flat judgement from you. No discussion of things beyond Obama's control. No excuses.
THAT is what we're discussing here. You don't even notice you do this. You just do it, and then get upset with me when I simply point out that you're not treating Dem and R leaders using the same metric. R's get every benefit of the doubt, no matter how ridiculous. Dems? They get nothing, and you send a scathing OpEd to tell me how horribly the Dem POTUS fared with China.
Case in point:Did you "forget" all the exigent circumstances Obama had to deal with? Things like, oh, I don't know.... keeping the American Economy from sliding into the abyss after the 08 crash? That seems a tad more important than doing whatever it is you think we should do with trade with China, wouldn't you think?
Nope. Who cares about stupid details like that, right? We're discussing a Democrat. And Obama failed.
And then let's see how you deal with Trump....
......I mean.....really, tech? You're sure Obama failed, and has no excuse. Yet Trump? You're----come on----telling me that gee whiz, you're not sure if he succeeded or not?
Let me help you. Here's your words as to what you wanted Trump to stop:
Did he do it, or not?
-Is China still stealing IP?
-Is China still manufacturing components for illegal drugs used in the US?
Pretty simple, and these were YOUR goals, not mine.
So? Did you stop both of the above, or was he 'impotent" like Obama, and failed?
She's done a great job in PA.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:39 amhttps://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/01 ... re_americaMatnum PI wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:34 am Kyle Griffin@kylegriffin1
2 hours ago
Joe Biden has announced the nomination of Dr. Rachel Levine to serve as Assistant Secretary for Health at the United States Department of Health and Human Services.
She is poised to become the first openly transgender federal official to be confirmed by the U.S. Senate.
Good for her.kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:47 pmShe's done a great job in PA.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:39 amhttps://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/01 ... re_americaMatnum PI wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:34 am Kyle Griffin@kylegriffin1
2 hours ago
Joe Biden has announced the nomination of Dr. Rachel Levine to serve as Assistant Secretary for Health at the United States Department of Health and Human Services.
She is poised to become the first openly transgender federal official to be confirmed by the U.S. Senate.
GOP leaders skip Trump sendoff in favor of church with BidenMatnum PI wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:30 am Kyle Griffin@kylegriffin1
1 hour ago
Punchbowl News: Biden has quietly invited members of the congressional leadership from both parties to attend church with him on Wednesday AM. The service will take place at St. Matthew's in D.C. Attendees include Nancy Pelosi, Kevin McCarthy, Mitch McConnell, and Chuck Schumer.
Matnum PI wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:59 pmGOP leaders skip Trump sendoff in favor of church with BidenMatnum PI wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:30 am Kyle Griffin@kylegriffin1
1 hour ago
Punchbowl News: Biden has quietly invited members of the congressional leadership from both parties to attend church with him on Wednesday AM. The service will take place at St. Matthew's in D.C. Attendees include Nancy Pelosi, Kevin McCarthy, Mitch McConnell, and Chuck Schumer.
Nancy and Chuck in a church, together.... Mitch and others tagging along....What the heck is this world coming too? Gives the Republicans an excuse to skip DOPUS' sh*tshow farewell at Joint Base Andrews, too.youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:08 pmMatnum PI wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:59 pmGOP leaders skip Trump sendoff in favor of church with BidenMatnum PI wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:30 am Kyle Griffin@kylegriffin1
1 hour ago
Punchbowl News: Biden has quietly invited members of the congressional leadership from both parties to attend church with him on Wednesday AM. The service will take place at St. Matthew's in D.C. Attendees include Nancy Pelosi, Kevin McCarthy, Mitch McConnell, and Chuck Schumer.
It's what those in the industry call "lightly attended."Kismet wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:18 pmGives the Republicans an excuse to skip DOPUS' sh*tshow farewell at Joint Base Andrews, too.youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:08 pmMatnum PI wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:59 pmGOP leaders skip Trump sendoff in favor of church with BidenMatnum PI wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:30 am Kyle Griffin@kylegriffin1
1 hour ago
Punchbowl News: Biden has quietly invited members of the congressional leadership from both parties to attend church with him on Wednesday AM. The service will take place at St. Matthew's in D.C. Attendees include Nancy Pelosi, Kevin McCarthy, Mitch McConnell, and Chuck Schumer.
Veep already cannot make it either.
The good Lord won't know where to launch the first bolt of lightning. I hope he has a really good dart board.youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:08 pmMatnum PI wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:59 pmGOP leaders skip Trump sendoff in favor of church with BidenMatnum PI wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:30 am Kyle Griffin@kylegriffin1
1 hour ago
Punchbowl News: Biden has quietly invited members of the congressional leadership from both parties to attend church with him on Wednesday AM. The service will take place at St. Matthew's in D.C. Attendees include Nancy Pelosi, Kevin McCarthy, Mitch McConnell, and Chuck Schumer.
no doubt...and the six feet separation is gonna make it enough more tough.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:37 pmThe good Lord won't know where to launch the first bolt of lightning. I hope he has a really good dart board.youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:08 pmMatnum PI wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:59 pmGOP leaders skip Trump sendoff in favor of church with BidenMatnum PI wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:30 am Kyle Griffin@kylegriffin1
1 hour ago
Punchbowl News: Biden has quietly invited members of the congressional leadership from both parties to attend church with him on Wednesday AM. The service will take place at St. Matthew's in D.C. Attendees include Nancy Pelosi, Kevin McCarthy, Mitch McConnell, and Chuck Schumer.
This is a Supreme Being we are talking about. Fish in a barrel.youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:50 pmno doubt...and the six feet separation is gonna make it enough more tough.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:37 pmThe good Lord won't know where to launch the first bolt of lightning. I hope he has a really good dart board.youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:08 pmMatnum PI wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:59 pmGOP leaders skip Trump sendoff in favor of church with BidenMatnum PI wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:30 am Kyle Griffin@kylegriffin1
1 hour ago
Punchbowl News: Biden has quietly invited members of the congressional leadership from both parties to attend church with him on Wednesday AM. The service will take place at St. Matthew's in D.C. Attendees include Nancy Pelosi, Kevin McCarthy, Mitch McConnell, and Chuck Schumer.
Hillary had the help of Russians (via Fusion GPS & Steele) yet still lost.Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:17 amHillary would have won the election had the Russians not supported Trump and worked against Hillary.tech37 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:14 amThanks DMac. I understand perfectly well what you're saying. It's my opinion that Trump would have been reelected, sans Covid, but I still would not have voted either way.DMac wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:03 am Not that we need one more thing to argue about, tech, it's plenty ugly around here lately as it is, but I'm not so sure about that Donald being reelected but for covid part. Policies aside, there are a lot of people who are okay with his style, arrogance, narcissism (nobody's ever done anything better than I have) and general behavior, but there are a whole lot of people who are not too. I wouldn't have voted for him covid or no covid, I don't like having a Prez who even his supporters say is unfit for office...makes no sense to me. This, along with many other subjects here, will never be settled but on with the bickering we'll go (collectively).
As it stands now, I hope folks with cooler heads can figure out a way that legally Trump can't run in '24 without blowing up his most rabid supporters.
a fan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:11 pmSure you do! You just posted an OpEd telling everyone that Obama failed, implying that you agree with it.
Failed at what? Once you answer that question, then you know what it is you want Biden to do.
So plainly you think Obama failed. Spell it out. What did he fail to do? Let's finish this conversation.
I didn't get upset in the least when you called me a liar....three times now. I got a chuckle. I don't have thin skin.
I'm sorry, but you simply don't realize what you do. Look at how you're handling Trump-----a boatload of excuses as to why he, among other things, wasn't reelected. As if Trump is the first POTUS to deal with things that are beyond his control.
Yet with Obama? Flat judgement from you. No discussion of things beyond Obama's control. No excuses.
THAT is what we're discussing here. You don't even notice you do this. You just do it, and then get upset with me when I simply point out that you're not treating Dem and R leaders using the same metric. R's get every benefit of the doubt, no matter how ridiculous. Dems? They get nothing, and you send a scathing OpEd to tell me how horribly the Dem POTUS fared with China.
Case in point:Did you "forget" all the exigent circumstances Obama had to deal with? Things like, oh, I don't know.... keeping the American Economy from sliding into the abyss after the 08 crash? That seems a tad more important than doing whatever it is you think we should do with trade with China, wouldn't you think?
Nope. Who cares about stupid details like that, right? We're discussing a Democrat. And Obama failed.
And then let's see how you deal with Trump....
......I mean.....really, tech? You're sure Obama failed, and has no excuse. Yet Trump? You're----come on----telling me that gee whiz, you're not sure if he succeeded or not?
Let me help you. Here's your words as to what you wanted Trump to stop:
Did he do it, or not?
-Is China still stealing IP?
-Is China still manufacturing components for illegal drugs used in the US?
Pretty simple, and these were YOUR goals, not mine.
So? Did you stop both of the above, or was he 'impotent" like Obama, and failed?
tech37 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:59 ama fan, if I'll "be on record" then you need to be on record yourself by accepting the hypothetical position I posed (above). That is the context I have always criticized policies whether you believe it or not. So lose the little r, little d schtick or partisan label you endlessly slap?a fan wrote: ↑Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:32 pmThis is the heart of the bickering we're doing here, so let's just cut to the chase:
Tell me what Biden should do with China. Broad, simple strokes will suffice.
Then you can't come back later and tell us that "he's doing it wrong". You'll be on the record.
And remember-----you just gave Trump a full pass for how he handled Trade during Covid. So you have to do the same for Biden while the virus rages.
And from there.....you just told us that Obama's response to China and Trade was "impotent".
Trump's term is over. Did Trump succeed with China?
I don't know what Biden should or will do. It was campaign rhetoric of course but I'm pretty sure he walked a line somewhere between Trump's trade war and at the same time wanting to bolster international trade laws that China routinely breaks.
By this article it seems Biden isn't sure what he wants either:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN28C0HV
"Biden says will not kill Phase 1 trade deal with China immediately: NYT"
"(Reuters) - Joe Biden will not immediately cancel the trade agreement that President Donald Trump struck with China nor take steps to remove tariffs on Chinese exports, the New York Times on Wednesday quoted the U.S. president-elect as saying."
I never gave Trump a "full pass" on anything. I'd say that's a lie but you get upset with that so let's just say inaccurate and misrepresented.
"Impotent" was the word the article used and was built around. I'd say that seems accurate.
I don't know if Trump succeeded or not. It depends on your definition of 'succeed" in this case. I have said repeatedly that we'll never know because of the Covid interruption. Covid doesn't happen, Trump is reelected and the trade war developments are on-going. Where he did succeed, IMO, was taking China on as no POTUS had before, highlighting China as an adversary, not only for the U.S., but the world.
You don't agree with this, it's not changeable, and that's fine. Extend a courtesy here as you have other posters at times and just say we'll agree to disagree.
Good point..seacoaster wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:59 pmThis is a Supreme Being we are talking about. Fish in a barrel.youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:50 pmno doubt...and the six feet separation is gonna make it enough more tough.cradleandshoot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:37 pmThe good Lord won't know where to launch the first bolt of lightning. I hope he has a really good dart board.youthathletics wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:08 pmMatnum PI wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:59 pmGOP leaders skip Trump sendoff in favor of church with BidenMatnum PI wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:30 am Kyle Griffin@kylegriffin1
1 hour ago
Punchbowl News: Biden has quietly invited members of the congressional leadership from both parties to attend church with him on Wednesday AM. The service will take place at St. Matthew's in D.C. Attendees include Nancy Pelosi, Kevin McCarthy, Mitch McConnell, and Chuck Schumer.
So by your non-response....Elizabeth Crisp @elizabethcrisp
1h
Official notice that Pence will attend inaugural and isn't scheduled to attend Trump's farewell event in the morning. Pence was spotted at the WH a few minutes ago.
