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I fully respect your perspective on competition at each position. I agree that no player is owed anything going forward each year. My feeling is simply that organic competition - recruits/returning players VS a transfer - when the boy had been starter for two seasons that ended on Memorial Day, is a bit of a different dynamic. Maybe that works at Yale (Irelan as example) but personally I don’t like the message it sends culturally if a yearly occurrence . Just my opinion. Interested to hear what others think.

How many players have actually transferred into yale the last couple of years for all the talk? I can’t think of anyone other than Ireland. Granted I know shay for years would tell kids in early Hs to commit somewhere else and then come back later which I don’t think is right, so it wouldn’t surprise me to hear him working the transfer system, but it hasn’t really been a trend meriting this bashing has it?

If you look back at the older posts, you would see I only mentioned them in response to a previous where someone mentioned Yale as a possible landing place for Brandau. My comment was a general one about transferring and the effect it would have on a player who started in two championships for his school (could have been ABC State for all i care). I have nothing but respect for coach Shay and his program. And Irelan I believe is only lacrosse transfer in the school’s history.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 7:53 pm Any updates on Munro? Wonder if Gray was already leaning towards UNC when Munro decided to transfer.

Doubt that Munro knew about Gray. Even though his dad is well connected in the lacrosse world, it seemed to be one of those shockers that you don't see often that takes almost everyone by surprise. Like Burkinshaw entering the transfer portal mid-season when he still had a shot at the starting job and Scanlan six weeks after his season ended when admissions deadlines may have passed.
Brown State is my guess or somewhere 3D has solid placement.

All of the transfer activity is making early recruiting look like child's play. There is clearly a market for proven talent and loyalty is becoming a distant memory.

HK. Wasn’t specific to you, feel like they’ve become an automatic punchline by many, perhaps jealousy, but I can’t think of any other one of note lately and I’m still bummed we couldn’t somehow pull a Los Angeles clippers/DeAndre jordan move in free agency on reeves to keep him coming to Geneva.

Is there another collegiate sport that had 2 second team All-Americans transfer in the same year? Ever?

thetruth wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:57 pm Is there another collegiate sport that had 2 second team All-Americans transfer in the same year? Ever?

Women's volleyball is known for tons of high profile transfers. I don't specifically know if 2 AAs have transferred in a single offseason, but former top 10 recruits transfer often in that sport.

With no sit out rules for transferring among non-rev sports, transfers happen a lot.

Heck, even in football and basketball (men's and women's), transfers happen a lot.

guys have 4 years to not only play but to get the education and environment they want. it does surprise me that there's really any blowback on the student-athletes for their desire to realize that.
a culture that's threatened by transfer activity isn't much of a culture. imo.

i did share the opinion that uva shouldn't/wouldn't be bringing in gray. the nuance for me on that is they are coming off the ultimate, and with 3 guys who were at the top of their games in making that happen together. i was wrong , the hoos entertained him...i can see how that may have worked in, as either moore or laviano coming out of the box... but the ride is what made that team different, and to me they would've suffered strategically. and a month after having these guys deliver a champ, you'd be rewarding that by pulling one of them (unless it'd be gray in herring's role, which i doubt).
guessing coming in late to mcintire probably would be a no go, too.

the hoos maybe as much as anyone had jobs up for grabs every week in practice as a mantra. which is probably why he was courted.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:46 am guys have 4 years to not only play but to get the education and environment they want. it does surprise me that there's really any blowback on the student-athletes for their desire to realize that.
a culture that's threatened by transfer activity isn't much of a culture. imo.

i did share the opinion that uva shouldn't/wouldn't be bringing in gray. the nuance for me on that is they are coming off the ultimate, and with 3 guys who were at the top of their games in making that happen together. i was wrong , the hoos entertained him...i can see how that may have worked in, as either moore or laviano coming out of the box... but the ride is what made that team different, and to me they would've suffered strategically. and a month after having these guys deliver a champ, you'd be rewarding that by pulling one of them (unless it'd be gray in herring's role, which i doubt).
guessing coming in late to mcintire probably would be a no go, too.

the hoos maybe as much as anyone had jobs up for grabs every week in practice as a mantra. which is probably why he was courted.

Ultimately, Gray went to the finalist team that needed him most, with UNC’s highest-scoring returning player having a respectable but comparatively meager 32 points. Against tougher ACC competition, I don’t see Gray scoring 111 points. Still, he’s going to make a big splash in the highest-profile conference in lacrosse.

DocBarrister

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:47 am

wgdsr wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:46 am guys have 4 years to not only play but to get the education and environment they want. it does surprise me that there's really any blowback on the student-athletes for their desire to realize that.
a culture that's threatened by transfer activity isn't much of a culture. imo.

i did share the opinion that uva shouldn't/wouldn't be bringing in gray. the nuance for me on that is they are coming off the ultimate, and with 3 guys who were at the top of their games in making that happen together. i was wrong , the hoos entertained him...i can see how that may have worked in, as either moore or laviano coming out of the box... but the ride is what made that team different, and to me they would've suffered strategically. and a month after having these guys deliver a champ, you'd be rewarding that by pulling one of them (unless it'd be gray in herring's role, which i doubt).
guessing coming in late to mcintire probably would be a no go, too.

the hoos maybe as much as anyone had jobs up for grabs every week in practice as a mantra. which is probably why he was courted.

Ultimately, Gray went to the finalist team that needed him most, with UNC’s highest-scoring returning player having a respectable but comparatively meager 32 points. Against tougher ACC competition, I don’t see Gray scoring 111 points. Still, he’s going to make a big splash in the highest-profile conference in lacrosse.

DocBarrister

111 is a lot of points. Joe will settle for 80.

Good point!

I certainly get that transfers happen a lot even in revenue generating sports (and in college in general). My only point is that if someone is a 2nd team All-American somewhere then they are clearly enjoying a high degree of success which isn’t the typical transfer scenario (it’s not only not common, I can’t think of it ever happening twice in a year let alone 3 times over 2). I don’t follow women’s volleyball but I do follow women’s lacrosse and they don’t seem to be having the same high level transfers that the men are having despite having substantially more teams and very similar early recruiting and academic variety within its institutions. Nonetheless, if someone wants to transfer then they should transfer and the transfer portal has made it easier.

I think some here over-think these transfers and 'where they might apply'. The well-known transfers have typically settled where there was an opening and a need, without a defined replacement, where the rest of the team wanted the transfer as much as the coach.

Irelan came to Yale after Yale lost Mackie, and only had Neuman as incoming freshman. Burkinshaw goes to Penn after Penn loses Junkin and really no one after that (maybe Varney an incoming freshman). Gray goes to UNC where they are in desperate need of a point scorer, with their top two gaving departed.

Scanlan is highly likely to end up at Cuse or Albany, where he is needed at both places. And Brandau is highly likely imo to end up at either Loyola or Hopkins, and definitely not Yale (where he would sit for two more years). Maryland IMO is not in play because they have a fantastic kid sitting on the bench who is ready to start.

These kids go to where they are going to play and where the team would welcome them with open arms. Coaches pay more attention to team cohesiveness and culture than I believe some here give them credit for.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:58 pm How many players have actually transferred into yale the last couple of years for all the talk? I can’t think of anyone other than Ireland. Granted I know shay for years would tell kids in early Hs to commit somewhere else and then come back later which I don’t think is right, so it wouldn’t surprise me to hear him working the transfer system, but it hasn’t really been a trend meriting this bashing has it?

Ierlan is the only one, at least as far back as any Yale faithful can recall.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:41 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:47 am

wgdsr wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:46 am guys have 4 years to not only play but to get the education and environment they want. it does surprise me that there's really any blowback on the student-athletes for their desire to realize that.
a culture that's threatened by transfer activity isn't much of a culture. imo.

i did share the opinion that uva shouldn't/wouldn't be bringing in gray. the nuance for me on that is they are coming off the ultimate, and with 3 guys who were at the top of their games in making that happen together. i was wrong , the hoos entertained him...i can see how that may have worked in, as either moore or laviano coming out of the box... but the ride is what made that team different, and to me they would've suffered strategically. and a month after having these guys deliver a champ, you'd be rewarding that by pulling one of them (unless it'd be gray in herring's role, which i doubt).
guessing coming in late to mcintire probably would be a no go, too.

the hoos maybe as much as anyone had jobs up for grabs every week in practice as a mantra. which is probably why he was courted.

Ultimately, Gray went to the finalist team that needed him most, with UNC’s highest-scoring returning player having a respectable but comparatively meager 32 points. Against tougher ACC competition, I don’t see Gray scoring 111 points. Still, he’s going to make a big splash in the highest-profile conference in lacrosse.

DocBarrister

111 is a lot of points. Joe will settle for 80.

If you did not watch the BU Loyola game.
That was a thing of beauty.
Gray just about lit up the Hounds.
Pretty sure that one is on PLN archive.

10stone5 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 5:42 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:41 am

DocBarrister wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:47 am

wgdsr wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:46 am guys have 4 years to not only play but to get the education and environment they want. it does surprise me that there's really any blowback on the student-athletes for their desire to realize that.
a culture that's threatened by transfer activity isn't much of a culture. imo.

i did share the opinion that uva shouldn't/wouldn't be bringing in gray. the nuance for me on that is they are coming off the ultimate, and with 3 guys who were at the top of their games in making that happen together. i was wrong , the hoos entertained him...i can see how that may have worked in, as either moore or laviano coming out of the box... but the ride is what made that team different, and to me they would've suffered strategically. and a month after having these guys deliver a champ, you'd be rewarding that by pulling one of them (unless it'd be gray in herring's role, which i doubt).
guessing coming in late to mcintire probably would be a no go, too.

the hoos maybe as much as anyone had jobs up for grabs every week in practice as a mantra. which is probably why he was courted.

Ultimately, Gray went to the finalist team that needed him most, with UNC’s highest-scoring returning player having a respectable but comparatively meager 32 points. Against tougher ACC competition, I don’t see Gray scoring 111 points. Still, he’s going to make a big splash in the highest-profile conference in lacrosse.

DocBarrister

111 is a lot of points. Joe will settle for 80.

If you did not watch the BU Loyola game.
That was a thing of beauty.
Gray just about lit up the Hounds.
Pretty sure that one is on PLN archive.

He is a terrific player. Been watching him since HS. The biggest surprise was him honoring his commitment as he had his pick of schools. He picked BU. Things change. I will be rooting for him.

Agreed. Terrific player with grit & humility. Great family. Can’t wait to see him at UNC.
To a previous post: yes, there are many more options
south of Boston but I said South, not south. Lots of reasons already mentioned for a young man to head this way. Welcome, y’all!

Xanders twitter

SoCon Freshman of the Year in 2019, @BellarmineLax's Riley Seay entered the NCAA's transfer portal late last week. The lefty middie from South Carolina led the Knights with 30 goals and nine assists.

AreaLax wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 7:11 pm Xanders twitter

SoCon Freshman of the Year in 2019, @BellarmineLax's Riley Seay entered the NCAA's transfer portal late last week. The lefty middie from South Carolina led the Knights with 30 goals and nine assists.

Freshman middie who scored 30 goals and is a bio/pre-med major? I know a school that has a pretty good pre-med program that could really use a midfielder. Petro needs to be calling this kid...yesterday.