JUST the Stolen Documents/Mar-A-Lago/"Judge" Cannon Trial

[a fan]

I get that. That's fine. That's why I said one of them, or two of them.....that's fine.

But not one of them can handle our planes? Come on.

That's a problem, and you know it. It's the UK, not some tiny country in the PacRim.

[LandM]

afan,
Those AF bases do what your mom does not want you to to know - since you know all about clearances, TDY and how the government should operate, I am sure you can figure it out Those little whirleybirds in space do not fly themselves nor do they download cool information by themselves those pesky Russians;

TLD,
Go qualify and take a TDY trip - tell me how you liked it - bet you want that $3

[old salt]

I get that. That's fine. That's why I said one of them, or two of them.....that's fine.

But not one of them can handle our planes? Come on.

That's a problem, and you know it. It's the UK, not some tiny country in the PacRim.

RAF Mildenhall used to, but we're pulling out. Not worth the cost of maintaining a massive AMC base in the UK.
Moving the combat aircraft permanently based in the UK next door to RAF Lakenheath.
More cost effective to use contract fuel & service providers at Shannon & Prestwick for stopover transiting AMC missions, not loading/off loading at Lakenheath.

Part of out long term post Cold War European drawdown, impacted by ME & central Asia deployments, shifting traffic flow south, resulting in new increased ramp space at my old base at NAS Rota & USAF moving back onto nearby Moron AB in Spain.

Those AK National Guard flights were routed through Prestwick because the were taking a northern great circle route back to their home base in AK. On earlier flights, they may have been routed south to take advantage of their opportune airlift capacity or because of prevailing weather conditions or favorable winds aloft. It's a massive complex equation which our USAF has down to a science.

[Trinity]

Belichick just signed Bolton to a one-year deal.

[old salt]

Belichick just signed Bolton to a one-year deal.

.. ....as a long snapper.

[LandM]

afan,
Just to be clear - we played with highly classified information - it was not toys - - you might want to educate yourself - lots of shi$ goes on that you the taxpayer has no idea - educate yourself as best as you can

[a fan]

afan,
Those AF bases do what your mom does not want you to to know - since you know all about clearances, TDY and how the government should operate, I am sure you can figure it out Those little whirleybirds in space do not fly themselves nor do they download cool information by themselves those pesky Russians;

Dude. I get that. Honest, I do.

But you know perfectly well that having six Air Force bases in the UK----bases we apparently need to get to ME deployment---and not a single one of them can land all of our planes doesn't make logical or practical sense.

What happens if the UK Government decides to keep military planes out over the political noise this is causing? And at this point, that wouldn't surprise me in the least.....Trump isn't exactly beloved over there.

Do we stop sending transports to the ME?

[a fan]

Belichick just signed Bolton to a one-year deal.

You won the internet today!

[CU88]

Belichick just signed Bolton to a one-year deal.

.. ....as a long snapper.

+1

GREAT!

[youthathletics]

Belichick just signed Bolton to a one-year deal.

You won the internet today!

You mean internetS

[a fan]

Yes, of course, YA. My bad----the internetS!

[old salt]

afan,
Those AF bases do what your mom does not want you to to know - since you know all about clearances, TDY and how the government should operate, I am sure you can figure it out Those little whirleybirds in space do not fly themselves nor do they download cool information by themselves those pesky Russians;

Dude. I get that. Honest, I do.

But you know perfectly well that having six Air Force bases in the UK----bases we apparently need to get to ME deployment---and not a single one of them can land all of our planes doesn't make logical or practical sense.

What happens if the UK Government decides to keep military planes out over the political noise this is causing? And at this point, that wouldn't surprise me in the least.....Trump isn't exactly beloved over there.

Do we stop sending transports to the ME?

RAF Mildenhall was our only base in the UK capable of handling a Cold War level of AMC throughput. We only needed one.
Now that we're drawing down Mildenhall & shifting the throughput further south, we need Prestwick & the increased ramp space at Rota & Moron in Spain. Had Putin not gotten frisky in Ukraine, forcing us to deploy tanks & strike aircraft to Poland & E EUrope, we'd probably be totally out of Mildenhall by now.

The Brits won't force us out of Prestwick. The frugal Scots know a good deal when they see one.

[a fan]

UK politics are in a weird place right now, I wouldn't be 100% sure of it.

And yes, I'd rather they use the airstrip as needed until they figure *hit out. I'm not blind. I'm not mad at the AF or the crew. Just stay in any number of lovely hotels in the area.

Trump should sell the property. Then everyone wins......won't happen. Trump is Trump.


Seems like we ought to be looking into fixing this long term landing strip issue, though.


I understand how Maddow's got you angry. I get it. That doesn't make it right that Trump is cashing in.

[Trinity]

Bolton thinks Trump caves to dictators.

[runrussellrun]

forever, afan, and MD,
The guy who wears that blue uniform with 4 stars on both shoulders was my Basic Cadet Training roommate - I still speak with him monthly - I will pass on your concerns about his ethics. The next guy up so I have been told was my Academy roommate for two years - he also wears 4 stars on his shoulders - I will pass on your questions of his ethics and command decisions when I speak with him next week. After they get done laughing and get off the floor, I will let you know their real responses. You are questioning the integrity of men who have spent their whole life defending this country - if they saw a problem - they are not shy.

As to the flight crew - here is my guess - the guy in the left seat is an O-3 and probably late 20's/early 30's; guy in the right seat is O-2 and probably mid 20's; crew chief is probably E-7 and mid to to late 30's and the rest of the crew between E-3 to E-5 in their mid 20's's. These guys do not get paid allot of money. So if the airport is gonna for free drive them to the motel with a box lunch and they get a cheap room rate name anyone on this board not taking advantage of that? They get a daily per diem, you want to pay them more then pay them more. The O-3 probably works for an O-5/O-6 - do you think those guys give a ratz when they have millions of your tax dollars they are responsible for flying around whether these kids stay at Turnberry. They are probably saying have a great time and hit the links.

Whenever I went out the cargo bay, it was always make sure the boys packed correctly and were geared up; on the plane it was smelling the two guys in the big seats breath, matching coordinates, breath for alcohol; high fiving the crew chief; reviewing with the payload specialist we would be on mark; and praying we were close to the LZ when we landed.

THE MILITARY IS NOT A BUSINESS. Get over it already.

that was the funniest thing I have ever read. Did you evah teach at flight school. My sister, who went there.....LOVED all of them. Fat Leonard, guess he don't service the air force.

Some lite reading for you

https://www.amazon.com/War-Racket-Ameri ... 4684&psc=1

[Farfromgeneva]

THIS JUST IN from Nasty Natasha :

Air Force crews have lodged at Trump’s Scottish resort at least 4 times

Holy Moly -- free box lunches for transient aircrews stopping over in Prestwick.
Aircrews will go anywhere for good box lunches.
Both the French Air Force & Navy put little bottles of table wine in theirs.
Great allies !

What was “also odd,” the person said, was that Prestwick Airport went above and beyond for the service members — the airport booked the rooms at Turnberry, coordinated free rides to and from the resort, and even packed the crew lunches for the day they departed.

A spokesman for the airport did not dispute that recollection.
“Like all airports, we provide a full handling service for customers and routinely arrange overnight accommodation for visiting aircrew when requested,” the spokesman told POLITICO. “We use over a dozen local hotels, including Trump Turnberry, which accounts for a small percentage of the total hotel bookings we make.”

The spokesman further noted that the airport does not pay for crew accommodation and takes no commission from Turnberry for any bookings they make on behalf of the Air Force. He denied offering air crews free rounds of golf at the resort, rebutting aspects of a Guardian report from early 2018.

All I read anymore is: slurp, slurp, slurp, clean off face before caking sets in, adjust Trump faux gold kneepads, get angry at my impotence and diminished value in this world by calling names at people who can’t defend themselves then get back to slurping until I get lockjaw.

Keep slurpin' daddy. Nasty Natasha is playin' you. The MSNBC Mean Girls accused the USAF of being corrupt. Them's fightin' words.

Tonight on Hardball, Nasty Natasha admitted she has no idea who's making the decisions to route the stopovers via Prestwick, or why.
But that doesn't stop her from ginning up a blockbuster scandal & calling into question the integrity of the US Air Force, based on so little information. She just disregards what the USAF has said & the facts they have presented. This is an irresponsible use of the power of the media.

NPR found this, but apparently that's too hard for Nasty Natasha or she chooses to ignore it :

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/09/75902582 ... ump-resort

Thomas explained that C-17 aircraft have increasingly used Prestwick as a stopover because it has 24-hour operations, making it a more viable option for aircraft headed to and from the Middle East and Afghanistan.

Many military stopover locations, he explained, have imposed increasingly restrictive operating hours. In 2017, he said, Air Mobility Command issued a directive to flight crews to increase efficiency. Prestwick was listed as a top-five stopover location due to favorable weather and less traffic from other aircraft.

"This airport has a large parking area, is open 24/7/365, and has been contracted by DoD for fuel at standardized prices," Thomas explained.

My hunch is that AMC started routing traffic via Prestwick, whenever feasible, to help it survive to be available when RAF Mildenhall closes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Mildenhall

On 8 January 2015, the United States Department of Defense announced that operations at RAF Mildenhall would end and be relocated to ...elsewhere within the UK.

On 18 January 2016, the British Ministry of Defence announced that the RAF Mildenhall would be closed as an airfield and the site to be sold.[3] However, a change in presidential administrations in the United States, heightened security concerns on the part of the United States, the United Kingdom and NATO pertaining to Europe and the Middle East, and a variety of other issues have prompted a reassessment on RAF Mildenhall's closure. As of 2017, the closure process of RAF Mildenhall has been put on indefinite hold.[4] As of December 2018, it is planned that USAF personnel will move from RAF Mildenhall to RAF Fairford by 2024 the earliest.[5]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... of-airport

Brown was told a visit by US diplomats to Prestwick to prepare for Trump’s arrival to open the Turnberry resort in June 2016 led to new contacts with the USAF’s European chief of defense and the US air attache to the UK. In October 2016, Prestwick signed a three-year basing and fuel supply deal with the Defense Logistics Agency, helping it almost double its income from fuel sales to £3m last year.

Brown was told those contacts also led to the USAF earmarking Prestwick to take a greater share of its flights after it leaves Mildenhall airbase in Suffolk, its largest base in the UK, in 2024.

You mad bro? Must sit around yelling at MSNBC every night doing nothing productive once it’s time to get out from under the desk in the Oval Office. Maybe one day you’ll get the reach around he promised all you acolytes who clearly have no morals worth anything, service or not, to twist this guy’s behavior into logical, reasonable human behavior.9

You have a strange obsession involving our President. Seek therapy.

Just find your using some service of your as cover to justify scumbag behavior while calling others names is pathetic and shameful. I hope you are the exception to the rule or I worry about the academies a lot.

[Farfromgeneva]

forever, afan, and MD,
The guy who wears that blue uniform with 4 stars on both shoulders was my Basic Cadet Training roommate - I still speak with him monthly - I will pass on your concerns about his ethics. The next guy up so I have been told was my Academy roommate for two years - he also wears 4 stars on his shoulders - I will pass on your questions of his ethics and command decisions when I speak with him next week. After they get done laughing and get off the floor, I will let you know their real responses. You are questioning the integrity of men who have spent their whole life defending this country - if they saw a problem - they are not shy.

As to the flight crew - here is my guess - the guy in the left seat is an O-3 and probably late 20's/early 30's; guy in the right seat is O-2 and probably mid 20's; crew chief is probably E-7 and mid to to late 30's and the rest of the crew between E-3 to E-5 in their mid 20's's. These guys do not get paid allot of money. So if the airport is gonna for free drive them to the motel with a box lunch and they get a cheap room rate name anyone on this board not taking advantage of that? They get a daily per diem, you want to pay them more then pay them more. The O-3 probably works for an O-5/O-6 - do you think those guys give a ratz when they have millions of your tax dollars they are responsible for flying around whether these kids stay at Turnberry. They are probably saying have a great time and hit the links.

Whenever I went out the cargo bay, it was always make sure the boys packed correctly and were geared up; on the plane it was smelling the two guys in the big seats breath, matching coordinates, breath for alcohol; high fiving the crew chief; reviewing with the payload specialist we would be on mark; and praying we were close to the LZ when we landed.

THE MILITARY IS NOT A BUSINESS. Get over it already.

that was the funniest thing I have ever read. Did you evah teach at flight school. My sister, who went there.....LOVED all of them. Fat Leonard, guess he don't service the air force.

Some lite reading for you

https://www.amazon.com/War-Racket-Ameri ... 4684&psc=1

Yeah but if you use big bold letters to yell maybe you’ll intimidate people into accepting your position.

Like shaking ones fist inside a car on the road...

[runrussellrun]

Trump fired John Bolton today. Not on board for the Afghan “deal.”

Trump will soon be on his 4th national security adviser in 2 years and 8 months.

I really don't know what to say about folks with leftward inclinations criticizing Trump's firing of Bolton. The left was apoplectic when he was nominated - Bolton was (properly) castigated as warmongering neocon of the highest order, a man virtually bought and paid for by the MIC.

We should be glad he is out.

I am not unhappy about Bolton leaving the Administration, and agree with your impression of him. What is noteworthy is the manner in which he was disposed of by Il Duce; the fact that Duce is on his fourth NSA in a bit more than half of his term; and the fact that it is increasingly difficult to decipher any meaningful guide or guiding principles or philosophy other than the strange, short-term, transactionally-oriented foreign policy we have thus far seen. Foreign relations appears to have two purposes in TrumpWorld: messaging to the base, and making friends with people and constituencies from which/whom Trump and his family can profit. Where have you gone Dean Acheson? Paul Nitze? George Shultz? Jim Baker?

To the bank? taats

How should he have been fired?

Don't know about you....but I have pretty much fired and removed them bandito pronto.......not waiting for a replacement and allowing them to stick around. Especially if they are war hawks. ((tRump was promised a second term IF he signed the largest spending bill in US treasury history. It all happened like a daily sunrise. When's the last time you saw the sunrise? exactly )

[old salt]

THIS JUST IN from Nasty Natasha :

Air Force crews have lodged at Trump’s Scottish resort at least 4 times

Holy Moly -- free box lunches for transient aircrews stopping over in Prestwick.
Aircrews will go anywhere for good box lunches.
Both the French Air Force & Navy put little bottles of table wine in theirs.
Great allies !

What was “also odd,” the person said, was that Prestwick Airport went above and beyond for the service members — the airport booked the rooms at Turnberry, coordinated free rides to and from the resort, and even packed the crew lunches for the day they departed.

A spokesman for the airport did not dispute that recollection.
“Like all airports, we provide a full handling service for customers and routinely arrange overnight accommodation for visiting aircrew when requested,” the spokesman told POLITICO. “We use over a dozen local hotels, including Trump Turnberry, which accounts for a small percentage of the total hotel bookings we make.”

The spokesman further noted that the airport does not pay for crew accommodation and takes no commission from Turnberry for any bookings they make on behalf of the Air Force. He denied offering air crews free rounds of golf at the resort, rebutting aspects of a Guardian report from early 2018.

All I read anymore is: slurp, slurp, slurp, clean off face before caking sets in, adjust Trump faux gold kneepads, get angry at my impotence and diminished value in this world by calling names at people who can’t defend themselves then get back to slurping until I get lockjaw.

Keep slurpin' daddy. Nasty Natasha is playin' you. The MSNBC Mean Girls accused the USAF of being corrupt. Them's fightin' words.

Tonight on Hardball, Nasty Natasha admitted she has no idea who's making the decisions to route the stopovers via Prestwick, or why.
But that doesn't stop her from ginning up a blockbuster scandal & calling into question the integrity of the US Air Force, based on so little information. She just disregards what the USAF has said & the facts they have presented. This is an irresponsible use of the power of the media.

NPR found this, but apparently that's too hard for Nasty Natasha or she chooses to ignore it :

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/09/75902582 ... ump-resort

Thomas explained that C-17 aircraft have increasingly used Prestwick as a stopover because it has 24-hour operations, making it a more viable option for aircraft headed to and from the Middle East and Afghanistan.

Many military stopover locations, he explained, have imposed increasingly restrictive operating hours. In 2017, he said, Air Mobility Command issued a directive to flight crews to increase efficiency. Prestwick was listed as a top-five stopover location due to favorable weather and less traffic from other aircraft.

"This airport has a large parking area, is open 24/7/365, and has been contracted by DoD for fuel at standardized prices," Thomas explained.

My hunch is that AMC started routing traffic via Prestwick, whenever feasible, to help it survive to be available when RAF Mildenhall closes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAF_Mildenhall

On 8 January 2015, the United States Department of Defense announced that operations at RAF Mildenhall would end and be relocated to ...elsewhere within the UK.

On 18 January 2016, the British Ministry of Defence announced that the RAF Mildenhall would be closed as an airfield and the site to be sold.[3] However, a change in presidential administrations in the United States, heightened security concerns on the part of the United States, the United Kingdom and NATO pertaining to Europe and the Middle East, and a variety of other issues have prompted a reassessment on RAF Mildenhall's closure. As of 2017, the closure process of RAF Mildenhall has been put on indefinite hold.[4] As of December 2018, it is planned that USAF personnel will move from RAF Mildenhall to RAF Fairford by 2024 the earliest.[5]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... of-airport

Brown was told a visit by US diplomats to Prestwick to prepare for Trump’s arrival to open the Turnberry resort in June 2016 led to new contacts with the USAF’s European chief of defense and the US air attache to the UK. In October 2016, Prestwick signed a three-year basing and fuel supply deal with the Defense Logistics Agency, helping it almost double its income from fuel sales to £3m last year.

Brown was told those contacts also led to the USAF earmarking Prestwick to take a greater share of its flights after it leaves Mildenhall airbase in Suffolk, its largest base in the UK, in 2024.

You mad bro? Must sit around yelling at MSNBC every night doing nothing productive once it’s time to get out from under the desk in the Oval Office. Maybe one day you’ll get the reach around he promised all you acolytes who clearly have no morals worth anything, service or not, to twist this guy’s behavior into logical, reasonable human behavior.9

You have a strange obsession involving our President. Seek therapy.

Just find your using some service of your as cover to justify scumbag behavior while calling others names is pathetic and shameful. I hope you are the exception to the rule or I worry about the academies a lot.

The MSNBC mean girls are public figures. Fair game for ridicule just like the politicians they demean.
It would be sexist to go easy on them when they abuse their influence as supposedly objective journalists.
You set a pretty high standard for scumbag rhetoric in your personal attack posts.

[runrussellrun]

So, in in 2014 Trump personally negotiated a deal with Prestwick Airport...not as POTUS, just as a businessman.

No problem there presumably, but what was the quid pro quo?
Whatever it was, Trump knows what it is.

For instance, is he getting a kickback on gas revenues, or is there some other benefit?
Doesn't make sense that he simply gave a discount at his resort for crews out of the goodness of his heart.
That's just not Trump.
But if that's all it was, no sweat.

Again, whatever the deal made, as a business man no problem.

It's not that complicated. It's a straightforward business decision. Offering rooms at a discount generates revenue sufficient to cover overhead from rooms that would otherwise be empty.

Prestwick's survival as an airport was necessary for Turnberry's success. Anything they could do to make it a more attractive destination was in their mutual best interest.

It's a rational, ethical business arrangement, put in place well before Trump was President.

It's also in the US Air Force's interest to have Prestwick survive & be available 24/7/365 for a myriad of operational reasons I've attempted to explain.

yeah........no one questions nor cares how the former first's (Obama's) can afford TWO 8 figure homes......thirty two months removed from the oval office. Pretty sweet deal, investing that Presidential salary...and only 8 years later you can afford $25 million in real estate. Go cry in the sand if you bring up futures, book deals, reality tv, whatever. You evah see anyone read, or talk about their books? Interesting that NO indepth coverage of the Michelle tour left the audience more vapid........and all were TOO frighty cat to evah admit it........doing Michelles best lipstick vogue. Enjoy, elvis's finest craft.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbeMC7ZMnqw