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These Russians are fleeing to the U.S. — by walking from Mexico



https://www.cbc.ca/news/russian-migrant ... -1.6747978


A man wipes away a joyful tear as he takes his first steps into an unfamiliar place, an émigré from the land of Dostoyevsky entering cactus-dotted cowboy country.

He's part of a striking new phenomenon: Russians are increasingly fleeing their homeland through Mexico and walking into the United States.

Rushan Burkhanov trembles with relief as he treads on American soil just after daybreak, under a purple-pink palette dissolving in the endless desert dawn.

CBC News saw about a dozen Russians in one morning when visiting a patch of land where Arizona, California and Mexico converge.


Several families crossed a dried-out riverbed and were waiting, outside Yuma, Ariz., for U.S. border agents to collect them, so they could file asylum claims.

Some spoke about their journey — about why they left Russia, why they transited through Mexico, and what they plan next.


Burkhanov used to fix and sell used cars in a historic port city along the Volga River and said he was shaken by what he'd learned about the war in Ukraine.

The television news back home made it sound like President Vladimir Putin's intention in invading was to protect people, to save lives.

"In reality, it was an attack on a neighbouring country," he said.

"They killed people, raped people, and Ukraine was never our enemy."

He said he was so disturbed that he, a practising Muslim, began speaking out at his mosque and attending protests.

But there were consequences: "I was held in custody, beaten," he said.


Fearful of further punishment and of being drafted himself, he, his wife and their daughter made a three-week trip — first to Kazakhstan, then with flights to Dubai, Mexico City and the border town of Mexicali, and a short walk on a dirt path, across the border.

Another man waiting at the border said he'd started complaining about the new school curriculum in Russia and that's when his troubles began.

The man said he'd expressed annoyance that his children were being force-fed government propaganda in the classroom.

This earned a police visit to his house, he said.

He answered CBC News's questions through a translation app on a smartphone since he doesn't speak any English, yet did utter two words that required no translation.

He pointed at his temple and said: "Putin, maniac."


A Russian family waits to file an asylum claim in San Luis. Russian applicants have higher-than-average success rates with such claims.

Another young man, like the aforementioned father, asked that his name not be published as feared for relatives back home.

This man didn't mention war as his principal reason for emigrating, although he said he opposes the conflict.

Nor did he complain about the Russian economy. In his view, the economy was doing fine, and he was making a decent living as a taxi driver.

His American dream, he said, goes way back.

He learned English at school and rattled off a list of Hollywood movies he loves. He said he longs to be a truck driver — and not to drive just any trucks, but the biggest American trucks, in the biggest city, with the tallest buildings, New York.

"In Russia, trucks are small. In U.S.A., trucks are big. It's my little dream," said the man, who hails from the North Caucasus region.

He mentioned movies and cartoons like Tom and Jerry and Ace Ventura. His all-time favourite actor, he said, is Jim Carrey, not realizing he was Canadian-born until a reporter pointed it out mid-interview.


When it comes to Russians crossing the southern U.S. land border, the latest statistics are staggering.

There could be more than 60,000 Russian citizens encountered by U.S. border agents this year if the pace holds up from recent months — that's triple last year's level and more than 60 times the pre-pandemic rates.

The Russians who spoke to CBC News explained why they arrived at this specific spot. It's a dusty patch of land, next to an old piece of border wall, inside U.S. territory. It's near irrigated fields that produce so many of the vegetables North Americans eat in the winter, little patches of green in an endless expanse of desert brown.

The Russians consulted online chat sites and learned you can apply for asylum in the U.S. on one condition — you must first manage to set foot on U.S. soil.

Asylum-seekers in recent years have been getting turned away at regular border checkpoints before crossing the international boundary.

So now they're looking for irregular paths in, like this one, where criminal gangs run rampant, frequently robbing, raping and kidnapping mid-journey.

Several migrants from other countries alleged, in interviews with CBC News, jaw-dropping abuses against them by Mexican police officers, like theft and sexual assault.

But these Russians, on this day, fared better.

They described hassle-free journeys; several having also used Dubai as a transit point to Mexico City.

California, New York, Canada?
Next they'll settle in different parts of the U.S. — California, Chicago and New York City were three destinations people mentioned.

Some describe Canada as a possibility if things don't work out in the U.S. But Burkhanov said he'd prefer, for once in his life, to live somewhere warm.


A skyrocketing number of Russians are seeking asylum in the U.S. by entering the country on land, through Mexico.
The Jim Carrey fan echoed the sentiment.

While he'd consider Canada, because, he said, its economy is strong, he grew up in a frigid mountain climate and wants something different.

"I like hot," he said.

Their asylum cases could last years.

Asylum is granted to people persecuted for their race, religion and political opinion.

It's unlikely that references to Ace Ventura and big trucks would be the cornerstone of a successful case, but Russian applicants have higher-than-average success rates.

In asylum claims decided last year, more than half of Russians won their case, better than applicants from most other countries, according to the U.S. Department of Justice.

But a record-smashing backlog of cases also means it takes nearly five years to adjudicate the average application, according to a Syracuse University research centre.

What's the mood in Russia?
Asked about the mood in their homeland, the Russians struggled to assess it. That includes how much support there is for the war.

The father who complained about his kids' school curriculum blurted out a gut reaction: "Ninety-nine per cent [support it]. Because 99 per cent there are crazy people."

But he acknowledges it's more complicated, when asked whether that supposedly solid support is, maybe, a mirage, driven by coercion.


"If you be quiet, you stay safe," he said.

Burkhanov's own analysis is that opposition to the war is growing in Russia, but is banished from the public sphere.

The aspiring trucker shares that assessment, but says it's hard to truly gauge public opinion.

"I don't know, really," he said. "More and more people in Russia [do] not support the war. But nobody says it."

For what it's worth, a more independent-minded pollster in Russia reported late last year that about half of Russians supported the Ukraine war.

Meanwhile, thousands of Russians are arriving every month.

One volunteer who brings food and water to the makeshift migrant camp outside Yuma says he's witnessed it with his own eyes.

"Every day it's what we see normally now," said Fernando Quiroz, who volunteers with the Arizona California Humanitarian Coalition.

"Russians, and Georgians, are coming across in this location."

In an ideal world, he said, these asylum-seekers should be allowed to apply at regular checkpoints.

But he blamed a broken U.S. immigration system for forcing people to improvise their way into made-up, non-legal routes like this one.

This path, at least, is on flat land. It's better than the murderous mountain passes to the east, long notorious for inflicting tragedy on lost travelers.

Crossing near Yuma is "easy," he said.

"I'm glad that they do cross here. … They're not crossing dangerous terrain."

It takes a few hours for U.S. border agents to come round up the Russians. They're loaded onto vehicles and taken to detention centres, where they're processed, then released.

Their first morning in America is over. It's unclear how many more they'll have here, as they move on from the desert, to locations east, west and north — their final destination: to be confirmed.



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Very interesting to see how Hispanics are routinely turned away at the border while whites are allowed free entry. Hmmmm ~ what could that mean?
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Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene claimed that "6 billion" people illegally crossed the US border during Joe Biden's time in the Oval Office.

Ms Greene, who recently called for the dissolution of the United States, stated "$113 Billion has been appropriated to Ukraine in just 1 yr," Ms Greene tweeted. "Trump's wall would have only cost $22 billion, but Congress refused to fund it. 6 Billion people illegally crossed our border since Biden took office, but Ukraine's border is the only border that matters to Washington."

I think the most impressive thing is the USA managed to feed the extra 6 billion people(75% of the planets population). No wonder there was an egg shortage.

(found this on social media)

Me thinks that she should spend more time on the state of the american education system and I thought that mexico was paying for that wall...
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CU88 wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:47 am Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene claimed that "6 billion" people illegally crossed the US border during Joe Biden's time in the Oval Office.

Ms Greene, who recently called for the dissolution of the United States, stated "$113 Billion has been appropriated to Ukraine in just 1 yr," Ms Greene tweeted. "Trump's wall would have only cost $22 billion, but Congress refused to fund it. 6 Billion people illegally crossed our border since Biden took office, but Ukraine's border is the only border that matters to Washington."

I think the most impressive thing is the USA managed to feed the extra 6 billion people(75% of the planets population). No wonder there was an egg shortage.

(found this on social media)

Me thinks that she should spend more time on the state of the american education system and I thought that mexico was paying for that wall...
She should spend more time learning to disappear.
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:19 am
CU88 wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:47 am Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene claimed that "6 billion" people illegally crossed the US border during Joe Biden's time in the Oval Office.

Ms Greene, who recently called for the dissolution of the United States, stated "$113 Billion has been appropriated to Ukraine in just 1 yr," Ms Greene tweeted. "Trump's wall would have only cost $22 billion, but Congress refused to fund it. 6 Billion people illegally crossed our border since Biden took office, but Ukraine's border is the only border that matters to Washington."

I think the most impressive thing is the USA managed to feed the extra 6 billion people(75% of the planets population). No wonder there was an egg shortage.

(found this on social media)

Me thinks that she should spend more time on the state of the american education system and I thought that mexico was paying for that wall...
She should spend more time learning to disappear.
+1. She’s wasting oxygen.

Unbelievably there are a significant number of Americans who think like her, including the SOTH. Awhile ago we had a thread named “Is America a superior nation”, or something to that effect.

The answer is clearly no.
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CU88 wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:47 am Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene claimed that "6 billion" people illegally crossed the US border during Joe Biden's time in the Oval Office.

Ms Greene, who recently called for the dissolution of the United States, stated "$113 Billion has been appropriated to Ukraine in just 1 yr," Ms Greene tweeted. "Trump's wall would have only cost $22 billion, but Congress refused to fund it. 6 Billion people illegally crossed our border since Biden took office, but Ukraine's border is the only border that matters to Washington."

I think the most impressive thing is the USA managed to feed the extra 6 billion people(75% of the planets population). No wonder there was an egg shortage.

(found this on social media)

Me thinks that she should spend more time on the state of the american education system and I thought that mexico was paying for that wall...
We are very fortunate that with all those new folks the USA didn't tip into the Pacific Ocean. They must have been equally distributed throughout the country to maintain proper balance.
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SCLaxAttack wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:51 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:19 am
CU88 wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:47 am Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene claimed that "6 billion" people illegally crossed the US border during Joe Biden's time in the Oval Office.

Ms Greene, who recently called for the dissolution of the United States, stated "$113 Billion has been appropriated to Ukraine in just 1 yr," Ms Greene tweeted. "Trump's wall would have only cost $22 billion, but Congress refused to fund it. 6 Billion people illegally crossed our border since Biden took office, but Ukraine's border is the only border that matters to Washington."

I think the most impressive thing is the USA managed to feed the extra 6 billion people(75% of the planets population). No wonder there was an egg shortage.

(found this on social media)

Me thinks that she should spend more time on the state of the american education system and I thought that mexico was paying for that wall...
She should spend more time learning to disappear.
+1. She’s wasting oxygen.

Unbelievably there are a significant number of Americans who think like her, including the SOTH. Awhile ago we had a thread named “Is America a superior nation”, or something to that effect.

The answer is clearly no.
Just look how effective she is at her job.....she makes waves and you guys go surfing. :lol:
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youthathletics wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 12:27 pm
SCLaxAttack wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:51 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:19 am
CU88 wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:47 am Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene claimed that "6 billion" people illegally crossed the US border during Joe Biden's time in the Oval Office.

Ms Greene, who recently called for the dissolution of the United States, stated "$113 Billion has been appropriated to Ukraine in just 1 yr," Ms Greene tweeted. "Trump's wall would have only cost $22 billion, but Congress refused to fund it. 6 Billion people illegally crossed our border since Biden took office, but Ukraine's border is the only border that matters to Washington."

I think the most impressive thing is the USA managed to feed the extra 6 billion people(75% of the planets population). No wonder there was an egg shortage.

(found this on social media)

Me thinks that she should spend more time on the state of the american education system and I thought that mexico was paying for that wall...
She should spend more time learning to disappear.
+1. She’s wasting oxygen.

Unbelievably there are a significant number of Americans who think like her, including the SOTH. Awhile ago we had a thread named “Is America a superior nation”, or something to that effect.

The answer is clearly no.
Just look how effective she is at her job.....she makes waves and you guys go surfing. :lol:
Her job? Which? Mouthbtich for 1%, or unregistered foreign agent for Pootietang?
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Maybe the title of this thread should be "Who is the immigrant caravan supporting?" Turns out it might be General Mills, Whole Foods, Ford and J. Crew using child labor or suppliers who use child labor.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/25/us/u ... =url-share
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get it to x wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 7:25 pm Maybe the title of this thread should be "Who is the immigrant caravan supporting?" Turns out it might be General Mills, Whole Foods, Ford and J. Crew using child labor or suppliers who use child labor.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/25/us/u ... =url-share
You know, get it to x-----if I didn't know better, the 1%ers don't want this problem fixed because the status quo lines their pockets.... so the Republicans and the Dems pretend that, "gee whiz, we JUST can't seem to come together to fix this fake problem".

That can't be it. Right?
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a fan wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:02 pm
get it to x wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 7:25 pm Maybe the title of this thread should be "Who is the immigrant caravan supporting?" Turns out it might be General Mills, Whole Foods, Ford and J. Crew using child labor or suppliers who use child labor.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/25/us/u ... =url-share
You know, get it to x-----if I didn't know better, the 1%ers don't want this problem fixed because the status quo lines their pockets.... so the Republicans and the Dems pretend that, "gee whiz, we JUST can't seem to come together to fix this fake problem".

That can't be it. Right?
The Chamber of Commerce Republicans are all in on a porous border. They haven't represented small business in a while. This is good for big business. Dems are also the party of big business. They are even getting them to buy into the ESG nonsense instead of creating real shareholder value.
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get it to x wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:14 pm The Chamber of Commerce Republicans are all in on a porous border. They haven't represented small business in a while. This is good for big business. Dems are also the party of big business. They are even getting them to buy into the ESG nonsense instead of creating real shareholder value.
It's been over 20 years now. The fact that they did NOTHING post 9/11 about visas and border security says EVERYTHING.

They don't give a sh(t. And they're paid to not care. This is why even after all of Trump's bluster? No bill. Nothing happened.

And in case you didn't notice, Trump built and operated his US casinos with illegal labor. So it comes as a complete shock that he didn't follow through on his campaign promise that he'd fix immigration and the visa process.
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get it to x wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:14 pm
a fan wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:02 pm
get it to x wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 7:25 pm Maybe the title of this thread should be "Who is the immigrant caravan supporting?" Turns out it might be General Mills, Whole Foods, Ford and J. Crew using child labor or suppliers who use child labor.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/25/us/u ... =url-share
You know, get it to x-----if I didn't know better, the 1%ers don't want this problem fixed because the status quo lines their pockets.... so the Republicans and the Dems pretend that, "gee whiz, we JUST can't seem to come together to fix this fake problem".

That can't be it. Right?
The Chamber of Commerce Republicans are all in on a porous border. They haven't represented small business in a while. This is good for big business. Dems are also the party of big business. They are even getting them to buy into the ESG nonsense instead of creating real shareholder value.
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Both sides "baaaad". :lol:

Sure, but if you scratch the surface slightly, there is a world of difference in policies and enforcement. One side may be bad, but one side is way worse. Seems to fit the course of politics for a couple of decades now.
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NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:44 pm Both sides "baaaad". :lol:

Sure, but if you scratch the surface slightly, there is a world of difference in policies and enforcement. One side may be bad, but one side is way worse.
That's fine but....have you noticed Biden didn't put up a bill that actually fixes the problems? Work visas? Figure out what to do with folks already here?

There's no fix coming from either side, and it's been 30 years since we last did anything about this stuff.
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PizzaSnake wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 1:29 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 12:27 pm
SCLaxAttack wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:51 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:19 am
CU88 wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:47 am Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene claimed that "6 billion" people illegally crossed the US border during Joe Biden's time in the Oval Office.

Ms Greene, who recently called for the dissolution of the United States, stated "$113 Billion has been appropriated to Ukraine in just 1 yr," Ms Greene tweeted. "Trump's wall would have only cost $22 billion, but Congress refused to fund it. 6 Billion people illegally crossed our border since Biden took office, but Ukraine's border is the only border that matters to Washington."

I think the most impressive thing is the USA managed to feed the extra 6 billion people(75% of the planets population). No wonder there was an egg shortage.

(found this on social media)

Me thinks that she should spend more time on the state of the american education system and I thought that mexico was paying for that wall...
She should spend more time learning to disappear.
+1. She’s wasting oxygen.

Unbelievably there are a significant number of Americans who think like her, including the SOTH. Awhile ago we had a thread named “Is America a superior nation”, or something to that effect.

The answer is clearly no.
Just look how effective she is at her job.....she makes waves and you guys go surfing. :lol:
Her job? Which? Mouthbtich for 1%, or unregistered foreign agent for Pootietang?
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:13 pm
PizzaSnake wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 1:29 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 12:27 pm
SCLaxAttack wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:51 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:19 am
CU88 wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:47 am Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene claimed that "6 billion" people illegally crossed the US border during Joe Biden's time in the Oval Office.

Ms Greene, who recently called for the dissolution of the United States, stated "$113 Billion has been appropriated to Ukraine in just 1 yr," Ms Greene tweeted. "Trump's wall would have only cost $22 billion, but Congress refused to fund it. 6 Billion people illegally crossed our border since Biden took office, but Ukraine's border is the only border that matters to Washington."

I think the most impressive thing is the USA managed to feed the extra 6 billion people(75% of the planets population). No wonder there was an egg shortage.

(found this on social media)

Me thinks that she should spend more time on the state of the american education system and I thought that mexico was paying for that wall...
She should spend more time learning to disappear.
+1. She’s wasting oxygen.

Unbelievably there are a significant number of Americans who think like her, including the SOTH. Awhile ago we had a thread named “Is America a superior nation”, or something to that effect.

The answer is clearly no.
Just look how effective she is at her job.....she makes waves and you guys go surfing. :lol:
Her job? Which? Mouthbtich for 1%, or unregistered foreign agent for Pootietang?
Pootie Tang is a great movie!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pootie_Tang
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a fan wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:11 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:44 pm Both sides "baaaad". :lol:

Sure, but if you scratch the surface slightly, there is a world of difference in policies and enforcement. One side may be bad, but one side is way worse.
That's fine but....have you noticed Biden didn't put up a bill that actually fixes the problems? Work visas? Figure out what to do with folks already here?

There's no fix coming from either side, and it's been 30 years since we last did anything about this stuff.
Biden's in charge of submitting bills? As the Executive who enforces the law? Please let me know what bills have been submitted the past 30 years before you moan about both sides.

What problems are you looking to solve with legislation? We have hundreds of problems regarding immigration. With insanely varied problems from crime to asylum to work stuff. You're focused on e-verifty. Great. And what about everything else? Who would like to turn on e-verify and who wouldn't?

There are some fixes coming from one side. Much fewer from the other. And you can't even get mild changes without owning the white house, the supreme court, and 2/3 of Congress these days.
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youthathletics wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 12:27 pm
SCLaxAttack wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:51 am
Farfromgeneva wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:19 am
CU88 wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 8:47 am Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene claimed that "6 billion" people illegally crossed the US border during Joe Biden's time in the Oval Office.

Ms Greene, who recently called for the dissolution of the United States, stated "$113 Billion has been appropriated to Ukraine in just 1 yr," Ms Greene tweeted. "Trump's wall would have only cost $22 billion, but Congress refused to fund it. 6 Billion people illegally crossed our border since Biden took office, but Ukraine's border is the only border that matters to Washington."

I think the most impressive thing is the USA managed to feed the extra 6 billion people(75% of the planets population). No wonder there was an egg shortage.

(found this on social media)

Me thinks that she should spend more time on the state of the american education system and I thought that mexico was paying for that wall...
She should spend more time learning to disappear.
+1. She’s wasting oxygen.

Unbelievably there are a significant number of Americans who think like her, including the SOTH. Awhile ago we had a thread named “Is America a superior nation”, or something to that effect.

The answer is clearly no.
Just look how effective she is at her job.....she makes waves and you guys go surfing. :lol:
There’s a joke about a momma, slapping the thing and riding the wave in…was popular in the 80s-90s
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NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 11:52 pm
a fan wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 10:11 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:44 pm Both sides "baaaad". :lol:

Sure, but if you scratch the surface slightly, there is a world of difference in policies and enforcement. One side may be bad, but one side is way worse.
That's fine but....have you noticed Biden didn't put up a bill that actually fixes the problems? Work visas? Figure out what to do with folks already here?

There's no fix coming from either side, and it's been 30 years since we last did anything about this stuff.
Biden's in charge of submitting bills? As the Executive who enforces the law?
Infrastructure bill.....who did that? The Republicans? Yes, it starts in Congress, technically. If you prefer, I can put it on Pelosi for not flooring immigration reform bills.
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 11:52 pm Please let me know what bills have been submitted the past 30 years before you moan about both sides.
For immigration?
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2023 11:52 pm What problems are you looking to solve with legislation? We have hundreds of problems regarding immigration. With insanely varied problems from crime to asylum to work stuff. You're focused on e-verifty. Great. And what about everything else? Who would like to turn on e-verify and who wouldn't?
I have no problem with them working on it piecemeal. What part of Immigration reform did Obama pass in the two years he had control of government? Or Trump? My point is: scoreboard.

I agree with your overall sentiment that the Republicans have largely stopped governing and fixing problems. Their biggest legislative "achievements" the last 20 years are all big tax cuts. And yes, their game is to say "no" to anything that fixes stuff when a Dem is POTUS....compromise is impossible with them when a D is President. No question there.
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