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Re: Love to c DocB bash this

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:10 pm
by tech37
a fan wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:52 am
tech37 wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:44 am Early on there weren't any mainstream Dr.s who knew what the side effects were any more than you or I did. And of course, long-term effects remain an unknown.
Yes, but you're forgetting that this is the case with 100% of drugs. And foods, for that matter. If the entire US population eats a Maryland Crab, will some have a severe reaction and die?

You bet they will. So now you're in a logic trap, when you now understand that ALL drugs have side effects. IVM that you want researched----what's the data on side effects? Is it 100% safe? No. So tell me....since IVM isn't 100% safe with zero side effects....what do you want American researchers to do?

You're trying to hold these vaccines to a standard that doesn't exist. My mom can't take ibuprofen because it gives her severe stomach aches. Life on Earth.
Everything you've written above (including your "logic trap") does not apply since you've missed my point entirely. Dude, I'm vaccinated against Covid (and I didn't need to ask a Dr's advice to make that decision for myself). In my post I was simply stating reasons why I believe other people may not want to get the shot and reasons why/how we've arrived where we're at. You seemed dumbfounded about it but it makes perfect sense to me. Obviously I don't personally hold those views for myself.

As for IVM...I mentioned the other day, I've been talking about it on here for a year+ and I'm not getting into that with you since, by using it to make the point you were trying to make, I can see you don't understand my position on IVM at all.

tech37 wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:44 am Couple that with capricious messaging, and even outright lies offered up by the medical establishment and so-called experts... then, throw on the politics of an already divided country. How is it a mystery the way things have unfolded?
Yes, but you blame the medical establishment, when that's not the problem.
When it comes to convincing people sitting on the Covid vaccine fence, to get it, the messaging (and lies) from the med establishment (and the Biden admin) absolutely has been a problem. "For heaven's sake" a fan.

Tech, for heaven's sake----what do you think would have happened if this had broken out during the Reagan era? You know EXACTLY what would have happened. We would have had an orderly, 90%+ vaccine rate, and everyone would have been grateful to get it. And the medical establishment would have been able to do things like talk about IVM treatments.
You're probably correct.

This is 2021. We're paying the price for the internet, and media outlets that get paid for clicks (outrage).
Agreed.

My farming network? They're not talking about side effects, my friend. They're talking about deep conspiracies, and that the virus isn't real, and is being used to control citizens.
So what can be done? As I have said on here before, I'll apply the act locally, think globally axiom. I'm doing what I believe is right for myself and family, and that's the best I can do.

And with all this going on, I have a 7 year old who can't take the vaccine. Hooray!

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:14 pm
by Bart
Bart wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:42 pm
wgdsr wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:18 pm it's impossible to not have seen these discussions coming a mile away.
you should listen to our authorities and see the numbers.
if you don't, you're a mouth breather.
put them in the pen, they don't care about society and don't belong in mine.
forget about any and all nuance vs. what we're commanding.

in any event, commandments already thrown down and more coming.
There seems to be a lack of any nuance in any of this
There’s nuance in the numbers. There’s nuance in health care workers and mandates. There’s nuance or lack of it in the us v them mentality.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:15 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
tech37 wrote: Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:56 am
wgdsr wrote: Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:09 am https://investor.regeneron.com/news-rel ... m-antibody

useful at some point? no idea how much it scales, and looks to be months off in any event. for the elite? therapeutics would be good. take your vitamin d.
Ivermectin

Good for Covid and/or parasitic worms? :?

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/ecli ... 8/fulltext
It has been less than 9 months….not a year+….and looky at what was cited.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:20 pm
by Typical Lax Dad

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:24 pm
by runrussellrun
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Who is gonna arrest the non vaccinated......the non vaccinated cops?

get over yourselves.......complying can only do so much to the human spirit, which you have gleefully sapped.

Nervous......like William Tecumseh..........real nervous\


we know what must be done

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Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:28 pm
by Typical Lax Dad

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:34 pm
by runrussellrun
dude......hillaryuous clinton, hold my bong

this here antibodie test...well. ya see, it don't count vaccine antibodies too well.....says so write there in the first paragraph

good pull :lol:

Re: Love to c DocB bash this

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:49 pm
by a fan
tech37 wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:10 pm Everything you've written above (including your "logic trap") does not apply since you've missed my point entirely. Dude, I'm vaccinated against Covid (and I didn't need to ask a Dr's advice to make that decision for myself).
I know.
tech37 wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:10 pm In my post I was simply stating reasons why I believe other people may not want to get the shot and reasons why/how we've arrived where we're at. You seemed dumbfounded about it but it makes perfect sense to me. Obviously I don't personally hold those views for myself.
These same Americans gave their kids multiple vaccines so the could attend K-12, without question. And obviously, these people don't know the first thing about those vaccines any more than I do. You can't square these two behaviors.
tech37 wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:10 pm As for IVM...I mentioned the other day, I've been talking about it on here for a year+ and I'm not getting into that with you since, by using it to make the point you were trying to make, I can see you don't understand my position on IVM at all.

I do indeed understand your position. And I'd agree with having folks look into, and even talk about it, if it was 1980, Reagan was POTUS, and we were sitting pretty at a 90% vaccination rate. But since we're nowhere close to that-----I understand why it's being mocked and downplayed as an "alternative" to the vaccines.
tech37 wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:44 am When it comes to convincing people sitting on the Covid vaccine fence, to get it, the messaging (and lies) from the med establishment (and the Biden admin) absolutely has been a problem. "For heaven's sake" a fan.
You think these people are going to do one single thing Joe Biden tells them? Come on. He's not the problem. But I'm happy to agree that Biden is a sh*tshow in general, if that helps at all.

The medical establishment has changed its stories as the pandemic evolved. A rational person understand that. A rational person also understands that people make mistakes, and lets it go. This is everyone's first pandemic. Mistakes will happen. Shake it off.

If one is going to go full tin foil hat? The obvious "conspiracy" is that all rich people have taken the vaccine----and the .gov, and the Dems in particular---don't care about you or your family. They don't care if you die or not. Folks are mailing in their cynicism.....they need to step it up, and realize that the most obvious conspiracy is that the .gov doesn't care about them. Act accordingly.
tech37 wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:44 am So what can be done? As I have said on here before, I'll apply the act locally, think globally axiom. I'm doing what I believe is right for myself and family, and that's the best I can do.
If I were king for a day?

-Take the who's who of FoxNews/RightWing media, and buy $1 Billion worth of ads on FoxNews and IHeartRadio to run PSA that simply show all the right wing heroes telling the camera "I took the vaccine". Do the same for shows that target the Demos who aren't taking the vaccine.

From there? Withhold Federal funding for any entities that don't have Covid Vaccine policies that are simply identical to the ones already in place for K-12 and Universities. Apply the law to Fed Contractors, Universities, .gov workers, etc.

And if I thought that sitting down and telling these people "well, your kids already took government forced vaccines to attend K-12, my man...so obviously you DO trust the FDA and your government" would help? I would.

Know what worked at a local liquor store to go from 50% vaxx to 100% in under a month? Vaccinated employees get to work without a mask.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:52 pm
by wgdsr
seacoaster wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:47 pm
wgdsr wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:18 pm it's impossible to not have seen these discussions coming a mile away.
you should listen to our authorities and see the numbers.
if you don't, you're a mouth breather.
put them in the pen, they don't care about society and don't belong in mine.
forget about any and all nuance vs. what we're commanding.

in any event, commandments already thrown down and more coming.
Serious question: what is the nuance you’re looking for? Can you give me an example?
if i might start with the admission that i'm not a public health policy wonk...
we've continued to go down the path of partisanship with our policy, and it's far from shocking that our minions continue to fall in line.
to wit:
2020
r's - it's no big deal and the vaxx is coming. could be a hoax.
d's - i wouldn't take the vaxx based on who's in charge, it's rushed, and we should be testing like crazy, contact tracing, yada, putting any and all efforts into squashing the virus. here's my plan for doing that.
2021
r's - stolen election, wouldn't let us get the vaxx preelection, any and all "my rights" claims
d's - vaxx is great now, forget about all that other stuff we mentioned, take it or else.

then you go down the line, and there is a largest cohort (r's) that aren't falling in line (not surprising) and many others in large %s, smaller cohorts, but not in the same venn diagram. so why is that? to me, therein lies the problem. trust. trust, or lack of it, is in the venn diagram for everyone.

so how do you kick solutions? well, one try is mandate ish. well, that was easy. we'll see how it goes.

another would be to do what you promised. testing like crazy. right now, you could concentrate it regionally. if you think you could mandate vaxxes, no doubt you could mandate testing. we were at 2 million tests/day when we were doing 40-70 cases last summer. and that suck.ed, right? now we're at 150k cases and are we at 5-10 million tests? no we're not. whither contact tracing? 95 mask production companies going out of business.

it's easier to just mandate vaxxes, and see how it goes. i do gotta hand it to joe. this takes some balls. my handicap it's a vote loser. maybe a big one. and i'm old enough to remember when forward policies were lobbied to not disproportionately, negatively impact disenfranchised or minority groups any longer. i guess this is the gov't knows what's best for them?

you might not like fatty's presentation, but where's the effort on preinfection with these mandates? i don't see it forthcoming shortly, and it's really not a big leap to guess why -- that blunts vaxx rates.

and above all else... this has been a quick turnaround for a vaxx. not the 5-10 year timeline that peeps (d's?) were talking about in 2020. to think there wouldn't be issues, to the degree we've had them and in this environment, is folly.

we're using a blunt instrument. because it's easier than doing the hard work, or at least having a plan. same as what i was getting at on schools. we'll see if it's effective.

most here are okay with it. because it's 2021. imo.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:13 pm
by Bart
wgdsr wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:52 pm
seacoaster wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:47 pm
wgdsr wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:18 pm it's impossible to not have seen these discussions coming a mile away.
you should listen to our authorities and see the numbers.
if you don't, you're a mouth breather.
put them in the pen, they don't care about society and don't belong in mine.
forget about any and all nuance vs. what we're commanding.

in any event, commandments already thrown down and more coming.
Serious question: what is the nuance you’re looking for? Can you give me an example?
if i might start with the admission that i'm not a public health policy wonk...
we've continued to go down the path of partisanship with our policy, and it's far from shocking that our minions continue to fall in line.
to wit:
2020
r's - it's no big deal and the vaxx is coming. could be a hoax.
d's - i wouldn't take the vaxx based on who's in charge, it's rushed, and we should be testing like crazy, contact tracing, yada, putting any and all efforts into squashing the virus. here's my plan for doing that.
2021
r's - stolen election, wouldn't let us get the vaxx preelection, any and all "my rights" claims
d's - vaxx is great now, forget about all that other stuff we mentioned, take it or else.

then you go down the line, and there is a largest cohort (r's) that aren't falling in line (not surprising) and many others in large %s, smaller cohorts, but not in the same venn diagram. so why is that? to me, therein lies the problem. trust. trust, or lack of it, is in the venn diagram for everyone.

so how do you kick solutions? well, one try is mandate ish. well, that was easy. we'll see how it goes.

another would be to do what you promised. testing like crazy. right now, you could concentrate it regionally. if you think you could mandate vaxxes, no doubt you could mandate testing. we were at 2 million tests/day when we were doing 40-70 cases last summer. and that suck.ed, right? now we're at 150k cases and are we at 5-10 million tests? no we're not. whither contact tracing? 95 mask production companies going out of business.

it's easier to just mandate vaxxes, and see how it goes. i do gotta hand it to joe. this takes some balls. my handicap it's a vote loser. maybe a big one. and i'm old enough to remember when forward policies were lobbied to not disproportionately, negatively impact disenfranchised or minority groups any longer. i guess this is the gov't knows what's best for them?

you might not like fatty's presentation, but where's the effort on preinfection with these mandates? i don't see it forthcoming shortly, and it's really not a big leap to guess why -- that blunts vaxx rates.

and above all else... this has been a quick turnaround for a vaxx. not the 5-10 year timeline that peeps (d's?) were talking about in 2020. to think there wouldn't be issues, to the degree we've had them and in this environment, is folly.

we're using a blunt instrument. because it's easier than doing the hard work, or at least having a plan. same as what i was getting at on schools. we'll see if it's effective.

most here are okay with it. because it's 2021. imo.
Biden did just commit to production of rapid antigen tests. Not enough IMO but it is a start.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:33 pm
by runrussellrun
Bart wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:13 pm
wgdsr wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:52 pm
seacoaster wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:47 pm
wgdsr wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:18 pm it's impossible to not have seen these discussions coming a mile away.
you should listen to our authorities and see the numbers.
if you don't, you're a mouth breather.
put them in the pen, they don't care about society and don't belong in mine.
forget about any and all nuance vs. what we're commanding.

in any event, commandments already thrown down and more coming.
Serious question: what is the nuance you’re looking for? Can you give me an example?
if i might start with the admission that i'm not a public health policy wonk...
we've continued to go down the path of partisanship with our policy, and it's far from shocking that our minions continue to fall in line.
to wit:
2020
r's - it's no big deal and the vaxx is coming. could be a hoax.
d's - i wouldn't take the vaxx based on who's in charge, it's rushed, and we should be testing like crazy, contact tracing, yada, putting any and all efforts into squashing the virus. here's my plan for doing that.
2021
r's - stolen election, wouldn't let us get the vaxx preelection, any and all "my rights" claims
d's - vaxx is great now, forget about all that other stuff we mentioned, take it or else.

then you go down the line, and there is a largest cohort (r's) that aren't falling in line (not surprising) and many others in large %s, smaller cohorts, but not in the same venn diagram. so why is that? to me, therein lies the problem. trust. trust, or lack of it, is in the venn diagram for everyone.

so how do you kick solutions? well, one try is mandate ish. well, that was easy. we'll see how it goes.

another would be to do what you promised. testing like crazy. right now, you could concentrate it regionally. if you think you could mandate vaxxes, no doubt you could mandate testing. we were at 2 million tests/day when we were doing 40-70 cases last summer. and that suck.ed, right? now we're at 150k cases and are we at 5-10 million tests? no we're not. whither contact tracing? 95 mask production companies going out of business.

it's easier to just mandate vaxxes, and see how it goes. i do gotta hand it to joe. this takes some balls. my handicap it's a vote loser. maybe a big one. and i'm old enough to remember when forward policies were lobbied to not disproportionately, negatively impact disenfranchised or minority groups any longer. i guess this is the gov't knows what's best for them?

you might not like fatty's presentation, but where's the effort on preinfection with these mandates? i don't see it forthcoming shortly, and it's really not a big leap to guess why -- that blunts vaxx rates.

and above all else... this has been a quick turnaround for a vaxx. not the 5-10 year timeline that peeps (d's?) were talking about in 2020. to think there wouldn't be issues, to the degree we've had them and in this environment, is folly.

we're using a blunt instrument. because it's easier than doing the hard work, or at least having a plan. same as what i was getting at on schools. we'll see if it's effective.

most here are okay with it. because it's 2021. imo.
Biden did just commit to production of rapid antigen tests. Not enough IMO but it is a start.
ah.....but which ones? The one TLD posted, does not work on the vaccinated. At all. apparently ;)

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:37 pm
by RedFromMI
wgdsr wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:52 pm
seacoaster wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:47 pm
wgdsr wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:18 pm it's impossible to not have seen these discussions coming a mile away.
you should listen to our authorities and see the numbers.
if you don't, you're a mouth breather.
put them in the pen, they don't care about society and don't belong in mine.
forget about any and all nuance vs. what we're commanding.

in any event, commandments already thrown down and more coming.
Serious question: what is the nuance you’re looking for? Can you give me an example?
if i might start with the admission that i'm not a public health policy wonk...
we've continued to go down the path of partisanship with our policy, and it's far from shocking that our minions continue to fall in line.
to wit:
2020
r's - it's no big deal and the vaxx is coming. could be a hoax.
d's - i wouldn't take the vaxx based on who's in charge, it's rushed, and we should be testing like crazy, contact tracing, yada, putting any and all efforts into squashing the virus. here's my plan for doing that.

Some further - Rs = must open up and live with disease as otherwise our economy continues to tank. Never mind that squashing the pandemic numbers down fixes the economy... Also, masks don't work...

D opposition to vaxx really not that big - fear of course was that Trump with his crazy ideas putting the wrong people on his task force would actually interfere with the process (other than speeding it up).


2021
r's - stolen election, wouldn't let us get the vaxx preelection, any and all "my rights" claims

All of these from the Rs pretty much nonsense - certainly no stolen election, and the process to emergency auth went faster than could be expected. Rights claims also pretty much nonsense - people do not have the right to do things that harm those around them generally. And the R politicians/media pumping up opposition for purely political reasons now.

d's - vaxx is great now, forget about all that other stuff we mentioned, take it or else.

then you go down the line, and there is a largest cohort (r's) that aren't falling in line (not surprising) and many others in large %s, smaller cohorts, but not in the same venn diagram. so why is that? to me, therein lies the problem. trust. trust, or lack of it, is in the venn diagram for everyone.

so how do you kick solutions? well, one try is mandate ish. well, that was easy. we'll see how it goes.

Remember this "mandate" is for affected businesses to EITHER have their workers vaxxed OR test those who are not once per week. Providing a real consequence for not getting vaxxed. Not mandating the vaccine (for those businesses).

another would be to do what you promised. testing like crazy. right now, you could concentrate it regionally. if you think you could mandate vaxxes, no doubt you could mandate testing. we were at 2 million tests/day when we were doing 40-70 cases last summer. and that suck.ed, right? now we're at 150k cases and are we at 5-10 million tests? no we're not. whither contact tracing? 95 mask production companies going out of business.

it's easier to just mandate vaxxes, and see how it goes. i do gotta hand it to joe. this takes some balls. my handicap it's a vote loser. maybe a big one. and i'm old enough to remember when forward policies were lobbied to not disproportionately, negatively impact disenfranchised or minority groups any longer. i guess this is the gov't knows what's best for them?

Actually should not be a real vote loser for those who might vote on his side - might really only harden those already in opposition, until the effect (which should be positive) is known well. Remember that for those over 65, who vote in large percentages, most are vaxxed.

you might not like fatty's presentation, but where's the effort on preinfection with these mandates? i don't see it forthcoming shortly, and it's really not a big leap to guess why -- that blunts vaxx rates.

Determining how long natural immunity lasts should be a large priority. Also, natural immunity plus a booster should be studied, and soon. I agree that this is being slow walked...

and above all else... this has been a quick turnaround for a vaxx. not the 5-10 year timeline that peeps (d's?) were talking about in 2020. to think there wouldn't be issues, to the degree we've had them and in this environment, is folly.

In some sense, even though we were not prepared for a pandemic like we should have been, the mRNA tech has been right at the edge of success and has proven to be a spectacular success...

we're using a blunt instrument. because it's easier than doing the hard work, or at least having a plan. same as what i was getting at on schools. we'll see if it's effective.

We require a lot of vaccines for people, and getting this one in arms should be a big help. Also, on my Twitter feed today - mention that Pfizer is about ready to submit for vaxx for age 5 and up...

most here are okay with it. because it's 2021. imo.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:42 pm
by Farfromgeneva
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:15 pm
Just cosmetic. Its a D.I.Y job.

Minka Kelly…. 👍
Go watch Requiem for a Dream if you’ve forgotten how hot Jennifer Connelly is. And I’m talking beginning of movie not her outcome at the “end” (to end..). Which I may or may not find kind of hot anyways but we all know I’m a deviant.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:44 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:42 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:15 pm
Just cosmetic. Its a D.I.Y job.

Minka Kelly…. 👍
Go watch Requiem for a Dream if you’ve forgotten how hot Jennifer Connelly is. And I’m talking beginning of movie not her outcome at the “end” (to end..). Which I may or may not find kind of hot anyways but we all know I’m a deviant.
She’s pretty. A look that aged well.

Re: Love to c DocB bash this

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:58 pm
by tech37
a fan wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:49 pm
tech37 wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:10 pm Everything you've written above (including your "logic trap") does not apply since you've missed my point entirely. Dude, I'm vaccinated against Covid (and I didn't need to ask a Dr's advice to make that decision for myself).
I know.
tech37 wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:10 pm In my post I was simply stating reasons why I believe other people may not want to get the shot and reasons why/how we've arrived where we're at. You seemed dumbfounded about it but it makes perfect sense to me. Obviously I don't personally hold those views for myself.
These same Americans gave their kids multiple vaccines so the could attend K-12, without question. And obviously, these people don't know the first thing about those vaccines any more than I do. You can't square these two behaviors.
Yes you can, and you did when you compared what we're dealing with today as compared to the past. Things are completely different based on social media and all other things mentioned earlier. Also, the fact that these vaccines were based on novel technology and rushed into service did not help with already skeptical people. The K-12 vaccines were based on trust built over years of efficacy, different but proven/trusted technology, lack of chaotic political interference, and as you've said, mandates. What isn't novel is people's distrust of institutions...that was simmering long before the pandemic.
tech37 wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:10 pm As for IVM...I mentioned the other day, I've been talking about it on here for a year+ and I'm not getting into that with you since, by using it to make the point you were trying to make, I can see you don't understand my position on IVM at all.

I do indeed understand your position. And I'd agree with having folks look into, and even talk about it, if it was 1980, Reagan was POTUS, and we were sitting pretty at a 90% vaccination rate. But since we're nowhere close to that-----I understand why it's being mocked and downplayed as an "alternative" to the vaccines.
tech37 wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:44 am When it comes to convincing people sitting on the Covid vaccine fence, to get it, the messaging (and lies) from the med establishment (and the Biden admin) absolutely has been a problem. "For heaven's sake" a fan.
You think these people are going to do one single thing Joe Biden tells them? Come on. He's not the problem. But I'm happy to agree that Biden is a sh*tshow in general, if that helps at all.

The medical establishment has changed its stories as the pandemic evolved. A rational person understand that. A rational person also understands that people make mistakes, and lets it go. This is everyone's first pandemic. Mistakes will happen. Shake it off.
Ha... pandemics do not make for rational people. Nope sorry, call me irrational...the med est gave us awful messaging with Fauci conducting the debacle.

If one is going to go full tin foil hat? The obvious "conspiracy" is that all rich people have taken the vaccine----and the .gov, and the Dems in particular---don't care about you or your family. They don't care if you die or not. Folks are mailing in their cynicism.....they need to step it up, and realize that the most obvious conspiracy is that the .gov doesn't care about them. Act accordingly.
tech37 wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:44 am So what can be done? As I have said on here before, I'll apply the act locally, think globally axiom. I'm doing what I believe is right for myself and family, and that's the best I can do.
If I were king for a day?

-Take the who's who of FoxNews/RightWing media, and buy $1 Billion worth of ads on FoxNews and IHeartRadio to run PSA that simply show all the right wing heroes telling the camera "I took the vaccine". Do the same for shows that target the Demos who aren't taking the vaccine.

From there? Withhold Federal funding for any entities that don't have Covid Vaccine policies that are simply identical to the ones already in place for K-12 and Universities. Apply the law to Fed Contractors, Universities, .gov workers, etc.

And if I thought that sitting down and telling these people "well, your kids already took government forced vaccines to attend K-12, my man...so obviously you DO trust the FDA and your government" would help? I would.

Know what worked at a local liquor store to go from 50% vaxx to 100% in under a month? Vaccinated employees get to work without a mask.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:03 pm
by a fan
RedFromMI wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:37 pm Also, on my Twitter feed today - mention that Pfizer is about ready to submit for vaxx for age 5 and up
Thank F'ing G*d.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:05 pm
by Bart
runrussellrun wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:33 pm
Bart wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:13 pm
wgdsr wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:52 pm
seacoaster wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:47 pm
wgdsr wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:18 pm it's impossible to not have seen these discussions coming a mile away.
you should listen to our authorities and see the numbers.
if you don't, you're a mouth breather.
put them in the pen, they don't care about society and don't belong in mine.
forget about any and all nuance vs. what we're commanding.

in any event, commandments already thrown down and more coming.
Serious question: what is the nuance you’re looking for? Can you give me an example?
if i might start with the admission that i'm not a public health policy wonk...
we've continued to go down the path of partisanship with our policy, and it's far from shocking that our minions continue to fall in line.
to wit:
2020
r's - it's no big deal and the vaxx is coming. could be a hoax.
d's - i wouldn't take the vaxx based on who's in charge, it's rushed, and we should be testing like crazy, contact tracing, yada, putting any and all efforts into squashing the virus. here's my plan for doing that.
2021
r's - stolen election, wouldn't let us get the vaxx preelection, any and all "my rights" claims
d's - vaxx is great now, forget about all that other stuff we mentioned, take it or else.

then you go down the line, and there is a largest cohort (r's) that aren't falling in line (not surprising) and many others in large %s, smaller cohorts, but not in the same venn diagram. so why is that? to me, therein lies the problem. trust. trust, or lack of it, is in the venn diagram for everyone.

so how do you kick solutions? well, one try is mandate ish. well, that was easy. we'll see how it goes.

another would be to do what you promised. testing like crazy. right now, you could concentrate it regionally. if you think you could mandate vaxxes, no doubt you could mandate testing. we were at 2 million tests/day when we were doing 40-70 cases last summer. and that suck.ed, right? now we're at 150k cases and are we at 5-10 million tests? no we're not. whither contact tracing? 95 mask production companies going out of business.

it's easier to just mandate vaxxes, and see how it goes. i do gotta hand it to joe. this takes some balls. my handicap it's a vote loser. maybe a big one. and i'm old enough to remember when forward policies were lobbied to not disproportionately, negatively impact disenfranchised or minority groups any longer. i guess this is the gov't knows what's best for them?

you might not like fatty's presentation, but where's the effort on preinfection with these mandates? i don't see it forthcoming shortly, and it's really not a big leap to guess why -- that blunts vaxx rates.

and above all else... this has been a quick turnaround for a vaxx. not the 5-10 year timeline that peeps (d's?) were talking about in 2020. to think there wouldn't be issues, to the degree we've had them and in this environment, is folly.

we're using a blunt instrument. because it's easier than doing the hard work, or at least having a plan. same as what i was getting at on schools. we'll see if it's effective.

most here are okay with it. because it's 2021. imo.
Biden did just commit to production of rapid antigen tests. Not enough IMO but it is a start.
ah.....but which ones? The one TLD posted, does not work on the vaccinated. At all. apparently ;)
Good thing we’re not looking for antibodies 😉

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:07 pm
by Farfromgeneva
Bart wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:42 pm
wgdsr wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:18 pm it's impossible to not have seen these discussions coming a mile away.
you should listen to our authorities and see the numbers.
if you don't, you're a mouth breather.
put them in the pen, they don't care about society and don't belong in mine.
forget about any and all nuance vs. what we're commanding.

in any event, commandments already thrown down and more coming.
There seems to be a lack of any nuance in any of this
Part of it is not having agreed upon definitions and terminology prior to initiating the dialogue. There’s much more fundamental issues broader philosophically than the specifics here but those don’t get touched. (Liberty/Freedom individual borderline, responsibility as a citizen of a sovereign entity, etc)

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:08 pm
by Farfromgeneva
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:44 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:42 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 4:15 pm
Just cosmetic. Its a D.I.Y job.

Minka Kelly…. 👍
Go watch Requiem for a Dream if you’ve forgotten how hot Jennifer Connelly is. And I’m talking beginning of movie not her outcome at the “end” (to end..). Which I may or may not find kind of hot anyways but we all know I’m a deviant.
She’s pretty. A look that aged well.
Even the mangled tooth is, to me, hotter than, say, madonnas mole.

Re: All things CoronaVirus

Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:12 pm
by Farfromgeneva
a fan wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:03 pm
RedFromMI wrote: Fri Sep 10, 2021 7:37 pm Also, on my Twitter feed today - mention that Pfizer is about ready to submit for vaxx for age 5 and up
Thank F'ing G*d.
My son went to doctor today about getting vaccinated. I took daughter on bike ride to park so not clear in all details yet as my household communication is a bit broken but I will find out. I’m taking him for his first camping trip w Cub scouts (weblos) next weekend which while group event is outdoors and despite his class in school being the one that’s had two infections of kids plus the teacher and her family in a month so we’re going and I’m going to pretend Covid doesn’t exist so we can get buck wild, fish, set some marshmallows on fire (I’ve already taught him about the sweet goodness of a burnt marshmallow), shoot some bow and arrows and plays with pocket knives!