wgdsr wrote: ↑Fri Sep 10, 2021 5:18 pm
it's impossible to not have seen these discussions coming a mile away.
you should listen to our authorities and see the numbers.
if you don't, you're a mouth breather.
put them in the pen, they don't care about society and don't belong in mine.
forget about any and all nuance vs. what we're commanding.
in any event, commandments already thrown down and more coming.
Yes, some are making such extreme statements, but generally not so extreme as that sort of hyperbole.
Here's the thing, we're in a public health crisis...some expect perfection, I don't. There will be things that in retrospect we may come to agree were the wrong, or not as good as, approaches.
And we'll certainly get 'smarter', or at least have the opportunity to do so, as more time and data rolls along. There may well be refinement of approaches, etc.
But we actually do have a ton of data including demonstrating that the vaccines available now reduces infection, both getting it and then, maybe most importantly, the effects. We have sound information that not being vaccinated is dry tinder for the virus. We also have good information that the vaccines have very low rates of troubling side effect, though not zero.
So, odds are very strong that if we have very high vaccination rates, as we achieve with other vaccines (which also have low but not non-existent side effects), we'll do far, far better as a society. Docs and nurses needn't be overwhelmed, emergency services don't need to be curtailed for other acute problems, and for the most part we can work and play close to normal...a lot sooner than otherwise.
Now we get to the 'mouth breather' problem. There's a ton of misinformation out there and some people are simply more susceptible than others. I'm sure Kram's girl nurse is not an idiot. And she's not alone. There's indeed many more nurses as a % not vaccinated than doctors, but there's definitely a correlation with job/education with vaccination rates, so forgive us if we suggest that she's substituting whatever biases she has, disinformation influences she may get, for the advice she'd surely get from the infectious disease experts at her own hospital.
At this point, anyone not listening to the counsel of their doctor specific to their circumstance, and the infectious disease experts more generally, is going to need 'persuasion' of a different sort than has been done so far. And that means removal of privileges enjoyed by those who are vaccinated. Behavioral science.
The good news is that very high compliance occurs when mandates are instituted. This particular gal may nevertheless choose to not comply and will lose her job, but she'll be in a very tiny subset of those who choose to do so.