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Maybe this would be a good comparison:

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A bit inconsistent with what this Twitter user posted. (Note the above image is a non-linear time scale)

His data starts about midway through the Pleistocene era. But look at the projections (red dots) for the NEAR future compared with the peaks of the second half of the Pleistocene. Substantial elevation if we let it happen...
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No, from a human being named David Birch. :D
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RedFromMI wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:12 pm Maybe this would be a good comparison:

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A bit inconsistent with what this Twitter user posted. (Note the above image is a non-linear time scale)

His data starts about midway through the Pleistocene era. But look at the projections (red dots) for the NEAR future compared with the peaks of the second half of the Pleistocene. Substantial elevation if we let it happen...
Yea.....we've seen how models work recently...they are so accurate.
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If the original graph from Birch is correct, it really drives home the incredible fact that we can do in 100-200 years what it takes the earth tens of thousands of years to do. Thought provoking stuff indeed, thanks for sharing YA.









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Note that the XKCD graph represents just the last fifth of the panel I posted...
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I don't know if anyone has posted this article yet. An interesting article on the melting of glaciers in Antarctica, which could lead to a catastrophe that would make one forget coronavirus.

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/the- ... ket-newtab
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Cooter wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:42 pm I don't know if anyone has posted this article yet. An interesting article on the melting of glaciers in Antarctica, which could lead to a catastrophe that would make one forget coronavirus.

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/the- ... ket-newtab


There is as great a chance we will go through another ice age as we will suffer from global warming.

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Peter Brown wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:25 pm
There is as great a chance we will go through another ice age as we will suffer from global warming.
No. That is incorrect.
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Hopefully if we invest enough trillions of dollars planet earth will forgive us and refreeze all those glaciers. PLANET EARTH WILL DO WHAT IT WANTS. WHEN IT WANTS. HOW IT WANTS AND WHERE IT WANTS. If you folks out there actually believe a bunch of scientists can stop what the planet will do. You are confusing what it means to be a good steward of the planet with believing a bunch of stupid humans can stop what will happen. It never ceases to amaze me how gullible and foolish so many if you are. When you can explain to me how you reverse CC/GW and give me detailed reasoning how that happens... I will be all ears. You can't and you wont because all of you are living in the land of make believe. You all think you can change the earth. Most of you folks are too lazy to pick up the trash on your own front lawn. Yet you folks have deluded yourselves into thinking you can save the planet. :!:
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Cooter wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:30 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:25 pm
There is as great a chance we will go through another ice age as we will suffer from global warming.
No. That is incorrect.


Actually, we can not know, so no, it's not "incorrect".

https://www.whoi.edu/know-your-ocean/oc ... e-ice-age/

global climate is moving in a direction that makes abrupt climate change more probable, that these dynamics lie beyond the capability of many of the models used in IPCC reports, and the consequences of ignoring this may be large. For those of us living around the edge of the N. Atlantic Ocean, we may be planning for climate scenarios of global warming that are opposite to what might actually occur.
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I guess Bill gates doesn't really believe in global warming either...buys a $43 million compound on the beach. How many of these instances do the climate alarmists need to read before you start questioning the hype peddlers?

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Peter Brown wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:39 am
Cooter wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:30 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:25 pm
There is as great a chance we will go through another ice age as we will suffer from global warming.
No. That is incorrect.


Actually, we can not know, so no, it's not "incorrect".

https://www.whoi.edu/know-your-ocean/oc ... e-ice-age/

global climate is moving in a direction that makes abrupt climate change more probable, that these dynamics lie beyond the capability of many of the models used in IPCC reports, and the consequences of ignoring this may be large. For those of us living around the edge of the N. Atlantic Ocean, we may be planning for climate scenarios of global warming that are opposite to what might actually occur.
Actually your statement is incorrect. The author mentions that the shift to colder periods is likely millennials away, that means it is not really likely to occur soon. There is also a low chance of an large volcano or an asteroid hitting the Earth, and cooling it. Thus there is not as great a chance we will go through another ice age as we will suffer global warming during the rest of this century.
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Cooter wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:56 am
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:39 am
Cooter wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:30 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:25 pm
There is as great a chance we will go through another ice age as we will suffer from global warming.
No. That is incorrect.


Actually, we can not know, so no, it's not "incorrect".

https://www.whoi.edu/know-your-ocean/oc ... e-ice-age/

global climate is moving in a direction that makes abrupt climate change more probable, that these dynamics lie beyond the capability of many of the models used in IPCC reports, and the consequences of ignoring this may be large. For those of us living around the edge of the N. Atlantic Ocean, we may be planning for climate scenarios of global warming that are opposite to what might actually occur.
Actually your statement is incorrect. The author mentions that the shift to colder periods is likely millennials away, that means it is not really likely to occur soon. There is also a low chance of an large volcano or an asteroid hitting the Earth, and cooling it. Thus there is not as great a chance we will go through another ice age as we will suffer global warming during the rest of this century.
How do you re freeze those icebergs cooter? Maybe you need to consult with JHU72 and explain to us how we accomplish that? Is it stopping cow farts or driving electric cars or eliminating internal combustion engines or do we all stop eating meat and become vegans. I would love to read the FLP blueprint on how to save the planet. I guess if we invest trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars the planet will forgive all of us. 8-)
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cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:19 am
Cooter wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:56 am
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:39 am
Cooter wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:30 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:25 pm
There is as great a chance we will go through another ice age as we will suffer from global warming.
No. That is incorrect.


Actually, we can not know, so no, it's not "incorrect".

https://www.whoi.edu/know-your-ocean/oc ... e-ice-age/

global climate is moving in a direction that makes abrupt climate change more probable, that these dynamics lie beyond the capability of many of the models used in IPCC reports, and the consequences of ignoring this may be large. For those of us living around the edge of the N. Atlantic Ocean, we may be planning for climate scenarios of global warming that are opposite to what might actually occur.
Actually your statement is incorrect. The author mentions that the shift to colder periods is likely millennials away, that means it is not really likely to occur soon. There is also a low chance of an large volcano or an asteroid hitting the Earth, and cooling it. Thus there is not as great a chance we will go through another ice age as we will suffer global warming during the rest of this century.
How do you re freeze those icebergs cooter? Maybe you need to consult with JHU72 and explain to us how we accomplish that? Is it stopping cow farts or driving electric cars or eliminating internal combustion engines or do we all stop eating meat and become vegans. I would love to read the FLP blueprint on how to save the planet. I guess if we invest trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars the planet will forgive all of us. 8-)
How do you save the planet? Let a novel virus run rampant....it’s not about saving the planet Sherlock.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:33 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:19 am
Cooter wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:56 am
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:39 am
Cooter wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:30 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:25 pm
There is as great a chance we will go through another ice age as we will suffer from global warming.
No. That is incorrect.


Actually, we can not know, so no, it's not "incorrect".

https://www.whoi.edu/know-your-ocean/oc ... e-ice-age/

global climate is moving in a direction that makes abrupt climate change more probable, that these dynamics lie beyond the capability of many of the models used in IPCC reports, and the consequences of ignoring this may be large. For those of us living around the edge of the N. Atlantic Ocean, we may be planning for climate scenarios of global warming that are opposite to what might actually occur.
Actually your statement is incorrect. The author mentions that the shift to colder periods is likely millennials away, that means it is not really likely to occur soon. There is also a low chance of an large volcano or an asteroid hitting the Earth, and cooling it. Thus there is not as great a chance we will go through another ice age as we will suffer global warming during the rest of this century.
How do you re freeze those icebergs cooter? Maybe you need to consult with JHU72 and explain to us how we accomplish that? Is it stopping cow farts or driving electric cars or eliminating internal combustion engines or do we all stop eating meat and become vegans. I would love to read the FLP blueprint on how to save the planet. I guess if we invest trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars the planet will forgive all of us. 8-)
How do you save the planet? Let a novel virus run rampant....it’s not about saving the planet Sherlock.
As I have said... planet earth will do what it wants. When it wants, where it wants and how it wants. You have any clues on how we stop this virus? No vaccine, no herd immunity and no clue what we should do next. We don't have to let the virus do anything. It will kill as many people as it sees fit too... sherlock. Why don't you go back to something you understand even less... saving the planet doofuss.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:48 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:33 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:19 am
Cooter wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:56 am
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:39 am
Cooter wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:30 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:25 pm
There is as great a chance we will go through another ice age as we will suffer from global warming.
No. That is incorrect.


Actually, we can not know, so no, it's not "incorrect".

https://www.whoi.edu/know-your-ocean/oc ... e-ice-age/

global climate is moving in a direction that makes abrupt climate change more probable, that these dynamics lie beyond the capability of many of the models used in IPCC reports, and the consequences of ignoring this may be large. For those of us living around the edge of the N. Atlantic Ocean, we may be planning for climate scenarios of global warming that are opposite to what might actually occur.
Actually your statement is incorrect. The author mentions that the shift to colder periods is likely millennials away, that means it is not really likely to occur soon. There is also a low chance of an large volcano or an asteroid hitting the Earth, and cooling it. Thus there is not as great a chance we will go through another ice age as we will suffer global warming during the rest of this century.
How do you re freeze those icebergs cooter? Maybe you need to consult with JHU72 and explain to us how we accomplish that? Is it stopping cow farts or driving electric cars or eliminating internal combustion engines or do we all stop eating meat and become vegans. I would love to read the FLP blueprint on how to save the planet. I guess if we invest trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars the planet will forgive all of us. 8-)
How do you save the planet? Let a novel virus run rampant....it’s not about saving the planet Sherlock.
As I have said... planet earth will do what it wants. When it wants, where it wants and how it wants. You have any clues on how we stop this virus? No vaccine, no herd immunity and no clue what we should do next. We don't have to let the virus do anything. It will kill as many people as it sees fit too... sherlock. Why don't you go back to something you understand even less... saving the planet doofuss.

# Save the Planet. Let a killer virus run rampant.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:54 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:48 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:33 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:19 am
Cooter wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:56 am
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:39 am
Cooter wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:30 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:25 pm
There is as great a chance we will go through another ice age as we will suffer from global warming.
No. That is incorrect.


Actually, we can not know, so no, it's not "incorrect".

https://www.whoi.edu/know-your-ocean/oc ... e-ice-age/

global climate is moving in a direction that makes abrupt climate change more probable, that these dynamics lie beyond the capability of many of the models used in IPCC reports, and the consequences of ignoring this may be large. For those of us living around the edge of the N. Atlantic Ocean, we may be planning for climate scenarios of global warming that are opposite to what might actually occur.
Actually your statement is incorrect. The author mentions that the shift to colder periods is likely millennials away, that means it is not really likely to occur soon. There is also a low chance of an large volcano or an asteroid hitting the Earth, and cooling it. Thus there is not as great a chance we will go through another ice age as we will suffer global warming during the rest of this century.
How do you re freeze those icebergs cooter? Maybe you need to consult with JHU72 and explain to us how we accomplish that? Is it stopping cow farts or driving electric cars or eliminating internal combustion engines or do we all stop eating meat and become vegans. I would love to read the FLP blueprint on how to save the planet. I guess if we invest trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars the planet will forgive all of us. 8-)
How do you save the planet? Let a novel virus run rampant....it’s not about saving the planet Sherlock.
As I have said... planet earth will do what it wants. When it wants, where it wants and how it wants. You have any clues on how we stop this virus? No vaccine, no herd immunity and no clue what we should do next. We don't have to let the virus do anything. It will kill as many people as it sees fit too... sherlock. Why don't you go back to something you understand even less... saving the planet doofuss.

# Save the Planet. Let a killer virus run rampant.
Who is letting it dipstick? Nobody knows how to stop it. You folks are unbelievable. :roll:
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# wheres in the freaking vaccine?
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cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:09 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:54 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:48 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:33 am
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:19 am
Cooter wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:56 am
Peter Brown wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:39 am
Cooter wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:30 pm
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:25 pm
There is as great a chance we will go through another ice age as we will suffer from global warming.
No. That is incorrect.


Actually, we can not know, so no, it's not "incorrect".

https://www.whoi.edu/know-your-ocean/oc ... e-ice-age/

global climate is moving in a direction that makes abrupt climate change more probable, that these dynamics lie beyond the capability of many of the models used in IPCC reports, and the consequences of ignoring this may be large. For those of us living around the edge of the N. Atlantic Ocean, we may be planning for climate scenarios of global warming that are opposite to what might actually occur.
Actually your statement is incorrect. The author mentions that the shift to colder periods is likely millennials away, that means it is not really likely to occur soon. There is also a low chance of an large volcano or an asteroid hitting the Earth, and cooling it. Thus there is not as great a chance we will go through another ice age as we will suffer global warming during the rest of this century.
How do you re freeze those icebergs cooter? Maybe you need to consult with JHU72 and explain to us how we accomplish that? Is it stopping cow farts or driving electric cars or eliminating internal combustion engines or do we all stop eating meat and become vegans. I would love to read the FLP blueprint on how to save the planet. I guess if we invest trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars the planet will forgive all of us. 8-)
How do you save the planet? Let a novel virus run rampant....it’s not about saving the planet Sherlock.
As I have said... planet earth will do what it wants. When it wants, where it wants and how it wants. You have any clues on how we stop this virus? No vaccine, no herd immunity and no clue what we should do next. We don't have to let the virus do anything. It will kill as many people as it sees fit too... sherlock. Why don't you go back to something you understand even less... saving the planet doofuss.

# Save the Planet. Let a killer virus run rampant.
Who is letting it dipstick? Nobody knows how to stop it. You folks are unbelievable. :roll:
You asked how we could “save the planet”
No? The answer is, a nice virulent virus could do it. Something like a nasty small pox.... changes in habitat often fuels new viruses Sherlock... stay fat dumb and happy.... if lucky, you will be gone before it matters.
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cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:11 am # wheres in the freaking vaccine?
# There is no guarantee that we will have a vaccine.

## a vaccine is good for about 3 months

### A treatment will help quite a bit. Won’t need a vaccine.

#### See HIV virus
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