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dislaxxic wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:33 pm
JoeMauer89 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 2:19 pmLast night was not about Trump in any way. Being so blinded by hatred for a person is truly an unsettling notion. The Democratic Party should be solely focused on bringing forth an alternative option. A Presidential Election is a choice between two candidates, and right now Trump seems a hell of a lot better to a LOT of people than Biden does.
Hogwash. Trump was not there to debate. He was there to spread propaganda. His (addled) reality. The man makes up a world in which he is the greatest at everything and all the blame needs to heap on his opponent. It's a fantasy world.

For an election to be a true choice between two candidates, there needs to be a CLEAR, COMPLETE understanding of ALL the country would get which each person. That is not happening here. The fact that three court cases against DJT are not going to trial in a timely manner is because they are being obstructed, stonewalled if you will, by borderline corrupt actors, including our SCOTUS.

As bad a performance Joe turned in last night, it is more clear than ever that the Inveterate Liar and BS artist is in no way qualified to be our president.

..

And it's EVEN more clear that our INCUMBENT president is NOT fit for 4 more years in office. :roll: :roll: :roll:

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JoeMauer89 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:40 pm
dislaxxic wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:33 pm
JoeMauer89 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 2:19 pmLast night was not about Trump in any way. Being so blinded by hatred for a person is truly an unsettling notion. The Democratic Party should be solely focused on bringing forth an alternative option. A Presidential Election is a choice between two candidates, and right now Trump seems a hell of a lot better to a LOT of people than Biden does.
Hogwash. Trump was not there to debate. He was there to spread propaganda. His (addled) reality. The man makes up a world in which he is the greatest at everything and all the blame needs to heap on his opponent. It's a fantasy world.

For an election to be a true choice between two candidates, there needs to be a CLEAR, COMPLETE understanding of ALL the country would get which each person. That is not happening here. The fact that three court cases against DJT are not going to trial in a timely manner is because they are being obstructed, stonewalled if you will, by borderline corrupt actors, including our SCOTUS.

As bad a performance Joe turned in last night, it is more clear than ever that the Inveterate Liar and BS artist is in no way qualified to be our president.

..

And it's EVEN more clear that our INCUMBENT president is NOT fit for 4 more years in office. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Joe
Being so blinded by hatred for a person is truly an unsettling notion. The Republican Party should be solely focused on bringing forth an alternative option to a rapist felon who steals money from kids with cancer and is accused of raping a 12 year old with Jeffrey Epstein.

Trump had a disaster of a debate. Saying the debate wasn't about him at all when he was a debater is a real red flag.

And the Republican candidate will be the oldest president in history and has been constantly confused and making up stuff on the daily.

The fact that you're not holding him to the same standard as a guy you disagree with politically is really weird. You have more control over who you're voting for than who you disagree with. Shame really.
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JoeMauer89 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:40 pm
dislaxxic wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:33 pm
JoeMauer89 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 2:19 pmLast night was not about Trump in any way. Being so blinded by hatred for a person is truly an unsettling notion. The Democratic Party should be solely focused on bringing forth an alternative option. A Presidential Election is a choice between two candidates, and right now Trump seems a hell of a lot better to a LOT of people than Biden does.
Hogwash. Trump was not there to debate. He was there to spread propaganda. His (addled) reality. The man makes up a world in which he is the greatest at everything and all the blame needs to heap on his opponent. It's a fantasy world.

For an election to be a true choice between two candidates, there needs to be a CLEAR, COMPLETE understanding of ALL the country would get which each person. That is not happening here. The fact that three court cases against DJT are not going to trial in a timely manner is because they are being obstructed, stonewalled if you will, by borderline corrupt actors, including our SCOTUS.

As bad a performance Joe turned in last night, it is more clear than ever that the Inveterate Liar and BS artist is in no way qualified to be our president.

..

And it's EVEN more clear that our INCUMBENT president is NOT fit for 4 more years in office. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Joe
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JoeMauer89 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 2:19 pm A Presidential Election is a choice between two candidates, and right now Trump seems a hell of a lot better to a LOT of people than Biden does. :roll:

Joe
Including the upcoming one, we'll have had Hillary, Donald or Joe to choose for our president in three elections now.
This is what we settle for, the best we've got to offer. We argue about why one of these people should be our president. The system isn't working right when this is what we end up with. We, the people need to demand better, there is NFW Biden should be running the country and there's NFW Trump should be either. If it weren't so serious it would be laughable.
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JoeMauer89 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:40 pmAnd it's EVEN more clear that our INCUMBENT president is NOT fit for 4 more years in office.
Fortunately for the Dems, they have a great team of dedicated public servants running the Executive branch and the Senate. Trump's MAGAt republican party is not a legitimate governing partner. Witness the Senator James Lankford-written, truly bipartisan border bill that Trump torpedoed for purely partisan political reasons. They have no governing philosophy other than abortion bans and private sector domination of the tax code and and corporate accountability.

In his second term, Joe just needs to relax and work about as much as Trump ever did...he can hang by the pool, play golf, watch TV and horck down cheeseburgers...easy!

Go ahead and think, like, this is all over...

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NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:50 pm
JoeMauer89 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:40 pm
dislaxxic wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:33 pm
JoeMauer89 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 2:19 pmLast night was not about Trump in any way. Being so blinded by hatred for a person is truly an unsettling notion. The Democratic Party should be solely focused on bringing forth an alternative option. A Presidential Election is a choice between two candidates, and right now Trump seems a hell of a lot better to a LOT of people than Biden does.
Hogwash. Trump was not there to debate. He was there to spread propaganda. His (addled) reality. The man makes up a world in which he is the greatest at everything and all the blame needs to heap on his opponent. It's a fantasy world.

For an election to be a true choice between two candidates, there needs to be a CLEAR, COMPLETE understanding of ALL the country would get which each person. That is not happening here. The fact that three court cases against DJT are not going to trial in a timely manner is because they are being obstructed, stonewalled if you will, by borderline corrupt actors, including our SCOTUS.

As bad a performance Joe turned in last night, it is more clear than ever that the Inveterate Liar and BS artist is in no way qualified to be our president.

..

And it's EVEN more clear that our INCUMBENT president is NOT fit for 4 more years in office. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Joe
Being so blinded by hatred for a person is truly an unsettling notion. The Republican Party should be solely focused on bringing forth an alternative option to a rapist felon who steals money from kids with cancer and is accused of raping a 12 year old with Jeffrey Epstein.

Trump had a disaster of a debate. Saying the debate wasn't about him at all when he was a debater is a real red flag.

And the Republican candidate will be the oldest president in history and has been constantly confused and making up stuff on the daily.

The fact that you're not holding him to the same standard as a guy you disagree with politically is really weird. You have more control over who you're voting for than who you disagree with. Shame really.
Its literally why we have these two candidates: partisans DO NOT CARE what they guy they voted for does.

So it's a race to the bottom. Nothing in America will change until partisans hold THEIR GUY accountable. We've stopped solving all problems because of this.
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DMac wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:00 pmThis is what we settle for, the best we've got to offer. We argue about why one of these people should be our president. The system isn't working right when this is what we end up with. We, the people need to demand better, there is NFW Biden should be running the country and there's NFW Trump should be either. If it weren't so serious it would be laughable.
I get the exhaustion, truly. Maybe you meant "...there is NFW Biden should be appearing in public much..." There is simply no way to underestimate the legislative and executive successes Biden has wrought as president. Stick to working the phones, Joe....actually pulling off the "governing" thing. That's not too strenuous. SOO many examples to point to of how successful he has been in that way.

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dislaxxic wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:00 pm
JoeMauer89 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:40 pmAnd it's EVEN more clear that our INCUMBENT president is NOT fit for 4 more years in office.
Fortunately for the Dems, they have a great team of dedicated public servants running the Executive branch and the Senate. Trump's MAGAt republican party is not a legitimate governing partner. Witness the Senator James Lankford-written, truly bipartisan border bill that Trump torpedoed for purely partisan political reasons. They have no governing philosophy other than abortion bans and private sector domination of the tax code and and corporate accountability.

In his second term, Joe just needs to relax and work about as much as Trump ever did...he can hang by the pool, play golf, watch TV and horck down cheeseburgers...easy!

Go ahead and think, like, this is all over...

..
If Biden had just let Trump’s border policies work, we wouldn’t be in the mess we are in now. Biden reversed all of Trump’s policies for partisan reasons on day 1 in office to appeal to his mentally deranged, woke base. In doing so, hundreds of Americans have been murdered by illegals. They’d still be alive today, but Joe Biden chose supporting illegal aliens over law abiding citizens.

The border bill was a joke. It had nothing to do with securing the border. It was full of pork and let 5K illegals in a day! That’s an embarrassment and rightfully so, the Republicans didn’t vote for it. If you truly want to pass a border bill, put forth a bill that does just that! Not filled with woke, liberal junk.

Democrats support illegals over Americans. They are replacing all of us, with a new voting base. Securing the border and deporting illegals should be a bipartisan issue, but Democrats don’t truly want to secure the border. How do I know this? Biden reversed all of Trump’s strong border policies day 1. Millions of illegal criminals have poured into our country, unvetted, this includes terrorists, murderers, drug lords and rapists. Most Americans support a strong border policy. Biden saw this and now wants to secure the border? A typical anti American Democrat politician. Created a crisis then promises a solution that doesn’t work, blaming Rs in the process.
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a fan wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:01 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:50 pm
JoeMauer89 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:40 pm
dislaxxic wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:33 pm
JoeMauer89 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 2:19 pmLast night was not about Trump in any way. Being so blinded by hatred for a person is truly an unsettling notion. The Democratic Party should be solely focused on bringing forth an alternative option. A Presidential Election is a choice between two candidates, and right now Trump seems a hell of a lot better to a LOT of people than Biden does.
Hogwash. Trump was not there to debate. He was there to spread propaganda. His (addled) reality. The man makes up a world in which he is the greatest at everything and all the blame needs to heap on his opponent. It's a fantasy world.

For an election to be a true choice between two candidates, there needs to be a CLEAR, COMPLETE understanding of ALL the country would get which each person. That is not happening here. The fact that three court cases against DJT are not going to trial in a timely manner is because they are being obstructed, stonewalled if you will, by borderline corrupt actors, including our SCOTUS.

As bad a performance Joe turned in last night, it is more clear than ever that the Inveterate Liar and BS artist is in no way qualified to be our president.

..

And it's EVEN more clear that our INCUMBENT president is NOT fit for 4 more years in office. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Joe
Being so blinded by hatred for a person is truly an unsettling notion. The Republican Party should be solely focused on bringing forth an alternative option to a rapist felon who steals money from kids with cancer and is accused of raping a 12 year old with Jeffrey Epstein.

Trump had a disaster of a debate. Saying the debate wasn't about him at all when he was a debater is a real red flag.

And the Republican candidate will be the oldest president in history and has been constantly confused and making up stuff on the daily.

The fact that you're not holding him to the same standard as a guy you disagree with politically is really weird. You have more control over who you're voting for than who you disagree with. Shame really.
Its literally why we have these two candidates: partisans DO NOT CARE what they guy they voted for does.

So it's a race to the bottom. Nothing in America will change until partisans hold THEIR GUY accountable. We've stopped solving all problems because of this.
I voted in the primary. Thats about all we can do other than calling or writing or donating millions. Ranked choice voting solves a lot of the issues with voting for someone rather than against. And it's been demonstrated to improve civility among candidates. Unsurprisingly one party is vehemently against ranked choice voting.
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LaxFan2311 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:09 pm
If Biden had just let Trump’s border policies work, we wouldn’t be in the mess we are in now. Biden reversed all of Trump’s policies for partisan reasons on day 1 in office to appeal to his mentally deranged, woke base. In doing so, hundreds of Americans have been murdered by illegals. They’d still be alive today, but Joe Biden chose supporting illegal aliens over law abiding citizens.

The border bill was a joke. It had nothing to do with securing the border. It was full of pork and let 5K illegals in a day! That’s an embarrassment and rightfully so, the Republicans didn’t vote for it. If you truly want to pass a border bill, put forth a bill that does just that! Not filled with woke, liberal junk.

Democrats support illegals over Americans. They are replacing all of us, with a new voting base. Securing the border and deporting illegals should be a bipartisan issue, but Democrats don’t truly want to secure the border. How do I know this? Biden reversed all of Trump’s strong border policies day 1. Millions of illegal criminals have poured into our country, unvetted, this includes terrorists, murderers, drug lords and rapists. Most Americans support a strong border policy. Biden saw this and now wants to secure the border? A typical anti American Democrat politician. Created a crisis then promises a solution that doesn’t work, blaming Rs in the process.
Ooh ooh. You specifically ( and many Republicans) support a convicted rapist and accused pedophile rapist of a 12 year old alongside Jeffrey Epstein. Who "suicided" himself in a Trump prison under questionable circumstances. A guy convicted of defrauding a charity for kids with cancer. You support a guy who hates US military service members and uses the N word regularly and has a history of convictions due to racism. A guy who hates a large portion of Americans. A guy who has sabotaged border security for his personal gain for nearly 8 years. A guy who tanked the economy with deficit spending. A guy who got Americans killed due to his criminal mismanagement of a pandemic. You support a convicted felon and thief.

You hate America and love Pedophiles and want illegal immigrants to rape and murder to get your guy elected.

I know I missed a bunch, that was only a few months of the past 8 years of Trump. It's hard remembering all his screw ups.

Am I doing this right? It's fun!
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NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:19 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:01 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:50 pm
JoeMauer89 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:40 pm
dislaxxic wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:33 pm
JoeMauer89 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 2:19 pmLast night was not about Trump in any way. Being so blinded by hatred for a person is truly an unsettling notion. The Democratic Party should be solely focused on bringing forth an alternative option. A Presidential Election is a choice between two candidates, and right now Trump seems a hell of a lot better to a LOT of people than Biden does.
Hogwash. Trump was not there to debate. He was there to spread propaganda. His (addled) reality. The man makes up a world in which he is the greatest at everything and all the blame needs to heap on his opponent. It's a fantasy world.

For an election to be a true choice between two candidates, there needs to be a CLEAR, COMPLETE understanding of ALL the country would get which each person. That is not happening here. The fact that three court cases against DJT are not going to trial in a timely manner is because they are being obstructed, stonewalled if you will, by borderline corrupt actors, including our SCOTUS.

As bad a performance Joe turned in last night, it is more clear than ever that the Inveterate Liar and BS artist is in no way qualified to be our president.

..

And it's EVEN more clear that our INCUMBENT president is NOT fit for 4 more years in office. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Joe
Being so blinded by hatred for a person is truly an unsettling notion. The Republican Party should be solely focused on bringing forth an alternative option to a rapist felon who steals money from kids with cancer and is accused of raping a 12 year old with Jeffrey Epstein.

Trump had a disaster of a debate. Saying the debate wasn't about him at all when he was a debater is a real red flag.

And the Republican candidate will be the oldest president in history and has been constantly confused and making up stuff on the daily.

The fact that you're not holding him to the same standard as a guy you disagree with politically is really weird. You have more control over who you're voting for than who you disagree with. Shame really.
Its literally why we have these two candidates: partisans DO NOT CARE what they guy they voted for does.

So it's a race to the bottom. Nothing in America will change until partisans hold THEIR GUY accountable. We've stopped solving all problems because of this.
I voted in the primary. Thats about all we can do other than calling or writing or donating millions. Ranked choice voting solves a lot of the issues with voting for someone rather than against. And it's been demonstrated to improve civility among candidates. Unsurprisingly one party is vehemently against ranked choice voting.
I still say everyone needs to change party to Independent. Each side needs to know their base is vanishing and they can no longer count on them. It will take a couple few election cycles to shake out, as long as we don’t change affiliation without action.

As afan notes, look where we are on both sides. Simply not voting does nothing.
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youthathletics wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:43 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:19 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:01 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:50 pm
JoeMauer89 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:40 pm
dislaxxic wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:33 pm
JoeMauer89 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 2:19 pmLast night was not about Trump in any way. Being so blinded by hatred for a person is truly an unsettling notion. The Democratic Party should be solely focused on bringing forth an alternative option. A Presidential Election is a choice between two candidates, and right now Trump seems a hell of a lot better to a LOT of people than Biden does.
Hogwash. Trump was not there to debate. He was there to spread propaganda. His (addled) reality. The man makes up a world in which he is the greatest at everything and all the blame needs to heap on his opponent. It's a fantasy world.

For an election to be a true choice between two candidates, there needs to be a CLEAR, COMPLETE understanding of ALL the country would get which each person. That is not happening here. The fact that three court cases against DJT are not going to trial in a timely manner is because they are being obstructed, stonewalled if you will, by borderline corrupt actors, including our SCOTUS.

As bad a performance Joe turned in last night, it is more clear than ever that the Inveterate Liar and BS artist is in no way qualified to be our president.

..

And it's EVEN more clear that our INCUMBENT president is NOT fit for 4 more years in office. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Joe
Being so blinded by hatred for a person is truly an unsettling notion. The Republican Party should be solely focused on bringing forth an alternative option to a rapist felon who steals money from kids with cancer and is accused of raping a 12 year old with Jeffrey Epstein.

Trump had a disaster of a debate. Saying the debate wasn't about him at all when he was a debater is a real red flag.

And the Republican candidate will be the oldest president in history and has been constantly confused and making up stuff on the daily.

The fact that you're not holding him to the same standard as a guy you disagree with politically is really weird. You have more control over who you're voting for than who you disagree with. Shame really.
Its literally why we have these two candidates: partisans DO NOT CARE what they guy they voted for does.

So it's a race to the bottom. Nothing in America will change until partisans hold THEIR GUY accountable. We've stopped solving all problems because of this.
I voted in the primary. Thats about all we can do other than calling or writing or donating millions. Ranked choice voting solves a lot of the issues with voting for someone rather than against. And it's been demonstrated to improve civility among candidates. Unsurprisingly one party is vehemently against ranked choice voting.
I still say everyone needs to change party to Independent. Each side needs to know their base is vanishing and they can no longer count on them. It will take a couple few election cycles to shake out, as long as we don’t change affiliation without action.

As afan notes, look where we are on both sides. Simply not voting does nothing.
Unfortunately it doesn't work that way. I've been independent forever, and more are trending that way. But the first past the post election system dictates that two parties will emerge if one position is available. Regardless of registration.

Simple game theory says we will always drift toward one of two main candidates in our current voting system. A new party may replace dems or reps, but it will just replace. A third party will never be viable.

A change in the electoral process is required. It's still not perfect after that happens, but it can be better.
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NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:49 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:43 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:19 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:01 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:50 pm
JoeMauer89 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:40 pm
dislaxxic wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:33 pm
JoeMauer89 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 2:19 pmLast night was not about Trump in any way. Being so blinded by hatred for a person is truly an unsettling notion. The Democratic Party should be solely focused on bringing forth an alternative option. A Presidential Election is a choice between two candidates, and right now Trump seems a hell of a lot better to a LOT of people than Biden does.
Hogwash. Trump was not there to debate. He was there to spread propaganda. His (addled) reality. The man makes up a world in which he is the greatest at everything and all the blame needs to heap on his opponent. It's a fantasy world.

For an election to be a true choice between two candidates, there needs to be a CLEAR, COMPLETE understanding of ALL the country would get which each person. That is not happening here. The fact that three court cases against DJT are not going to trial in a timely manner is because they are being obstructed, stonewalled if you will, by borderline corrupt actors, including our SCOTUS.

As bad a performance Joe turned in last night, it is more clear than ever that the Inveterate Liar and BS artist is in no way qualified to be our president.

..

And it's EVEN more clear that our INCUMBENT president is NOT fit for 4 more years in office. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Joe
Being so blinded by hatred for a person is truly an unsettling notion. The Republican Party should be solely focused on bringing forth an alternative option to a rapist felon who steals money from kids with cancer and is accused of raping a 12 year old with Jeffrey Epstein.

Trump had a disaster of a debate. Saying the debate wasn't about him at all when he was a debater is a real red flag.

And the Republican candidate will be the oldest president in history and has been constantly confused and making up stuff on the daily.

The fact that you're not holding him to the same standard as a guy you disagree with politically is really weird. You have more control over who you're voting for than who you disagree with. Shame really.
Its literally why we have these two candidates: partisans DO NOT CARE what they guy they voted for does.

So it's a race to the bottom. Nothing in America will change until partisans hold THEIR GUY accountable. We've stopped solving all problems because of this.
I voted in the primary. Thats about all we can do other than calling or writing or donating millions. Ranked choice voting solves a lot of the issues with voting for someone rather than against. And it's been demonstrated to improve civility among candidates. Unsurprisingly one party is vehemently against ranked choice voting.
I still say everyone needs to change party to Independent. Each side needs to know their base is vanishing and they can no longer count on them. It will take a couple few election cycles to shake out, as long as we don’t change affiliation without action.

As afan notes, look where we are on both sides. Simply not voting does nothing.
Unfortunately it doesn't work that way. I've been independent forever, and more are trending that way. But the first past the post election system dictates that two parties will emerge if one position is available. Regardless of registration.

Simple game theory says we will always drift toward one of two main candidates in our current voting system. A new party may replace dems or reps, but it will just replace. A third party will never be viable.

A change in the electoral process is required. It's still not perfect after that happens, but it can be better.
You think missed the point. I am not advocating voting for I candidates, I’m advocating for dissolving the d and r base so candidates can no longer count on them, which requires them to work harder and earn votes based on our wants and needs. This starts at the grass roots.
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Re: 2024

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youthathletics wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:58 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:49 pm
youthathletics wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:43 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:19 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 9:01 pm
NattyBohChamps04 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:50 pm
JoeMauer89 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:40 pm
dislaxxic wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 8:33 pm
JoeMauer89 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 2:19 pmLast night was not about Trump in any way. Being so blinded by hatred for a person is truly an unsettling notion. The Democratic Party should be solely focused on bringing forth an alternative option. A Presidential Election is a choice between two candidates, and right now Trump seems a hell of a lot better to a LOT of people than Biden does.
Hogwash. Trump was not there to debate. He was there to spread propaganda. His (addled) reality. The man makes up a world in which he is the greatest at everything and all the blame needs to heap on his opponent. It's a fantasy world.

For an election to be a true choice between two candidates, there needs to be a CLEAR, COMPLETE understanding of ALL the country would get which each person. That is not happening here. The fact that three court cases against DJT are not going to trial in a timely manner is because they are being obstructed, stonewalled if you will, by borderline corrupt actors, including our SCOTUS.

As bad a performance Joe turned in last night, it is more clear than ever that the Inveterate Liar and BS artist is in no way qualified to be our president.

..

And it's EVEN more clear that our INCUMBENT president is NOT fit for 4 more years in office. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Joe
Being so blinded by hatred for a person is truly an unsettling notion. The Republican Party should be solely focused on bringing forth an alternative option to a rapist felon who steals money from kids with cancer and is accused of raping a 12 year old with Jeffrey Epstein.

Trump had a disaster of a debate. Saying the debate wasn't about him at all when he was a debater is a real red flag.

And the Republican candidate will be the oldest president in history and has been constantly confused and making up stuff on the daily.

The fact that you're not holding him to the same standard as a guy you disagree with politically is really weird. You have more control over who you're voting for than who you disagree with. Shame really.
Its literally why we have these two candidates: partisans DO NOT CARE what they guy they voted for does.

So it's a race to the bottom. Nothing in America will change until partisans hold THEIR GUY accountable. We've stopped solving all problems because of this.
I voted in the primary. Thats about all we can do other than calling or writing or donating millions. Ranked choice voting solves a lot of the issues with voting for someone rather than against. And it's been demonstrated to improve civility among candidates. Unsurprisingly one party is vehemently against ranked choice voting.
I still say everyone needs to change party to Independent. Each side needs to know their base is vanishing and they can no longer count on them. It will take a couple few election cycles to shake out, as long as we don’t change affiliation without action.

As afan notes, look where we are on both sides. Simply not voting does nothing.
Unfortunately it doesn't work that way. I've been independent forever, and more are trending that way. But the first past the post election system dictates that two parties will emerge if one position is available. Regardless of registration.

Simple game theory says we will always drift toward one of two main candidates in our current voting system. A new party may replace dems or reps, but it will just replace. A third party will never be viable.

A change in the electoral process is required. It's still not perfect after that happens, but it can be better.
You think missed the point. I am not advocating voting for I candidates, I’m advocating for dissolving the d and r base so candidates can no longer count on them, which requires them to work harder and earn votes based on our wants and needs. This starts at the grass roots.
This.

Elections aren't the problem. The problem is: our leaders do NOTHING while in office, because they know that no matter what they do, they'll get reelecated. So they do what their partisan voters tell them to do: nothing.

If no matter what Biden does, you still nominate him as POTUS.....same for Senators and Congressmen.......then why would they do anything while in office? What's the point?

The primaries are where the action is. Why didn't Dems primary Joe out, and put up a better candidate? THAT is why we are stuck with him, folks. Has NOTHING to do with Trump.

And vice versa, obviously. Same goes for Congress and the Senate. Hold YOUR PARTY accountable, and government would improve immediately.
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youthathletics wrote: Sat Jun 14, 1975 3:23 am
You think missed the point. I am not advocating voting for I candidates, I’m advocating for dissolving the d and r base so candidates can no longer count on them, which requires them to work harder and earn votes based on our wants and needs. This starts at the grass roots.
Appreciate the clarification. I understand your point 100%. Thing is, R's dissolved their base in 2016 and we got dumpster fire Trump because of their idiotic primary system. D's solidified acceptable but meh candidates Hillary and Joe with their terrible primary system.

We need to make the system at the mercy of the less crazy and less powerful.

There are systems out there that help. One party is very much against them in all forms...
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If the Dems were smart & wanted to do the right thing for the country, Obama should step forward, call for Biden to not run again, & rally the party to unite behind Jeh Johnson as their candidate in an open convention. Jeh checks all the blocks in proven experience for who we need to lead the country right now. He'd attract all the Haley (R) voters & more. Jeh's getting my write-in vote regardless.

Who is typing into the teleprompter in the Oval Office or Situation Room ?
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JoeMauer89 wrote: Fri Jun 28, 2024 2:19 pm A Presidential Election is a choice between two candidates, and right now Trump seems a hell of a lot better to a LOT of people than Biden does.
I'm with you, Joe. And with LaxFan2311 a.k.a. Gangbusters. The polls certainly reflect that.

Trump is the clear choice for me over Biden. As Gunnery Sergeant Hartman once said, "He's got guts, and guts is enough." He puts America first. He has the courage of his convictions and isn't cowed by the radical left. He has common sense enough to close the border and make folks who want to come into this country go through the process like everyone else has had to. Like my grandparents on both my father and mothers side had to at the turn of last century. He has common sense enough to mine our own natural resources instead of having to rely on other nations. Common sense enough to make other nations pay their fair share. He has the courage of his convictions to stand up to Iran, North Korea, China, Russia, ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah, et al. I was very happy with most of what he did while he was in the Oval. Israel was very happy with Trump in the White House. I specifically remember Netanyahu turning to Trump during a visit to the States and saying something along the lines of, "Israel has never had a friend like you. Not even close". Five Arab nations made peace with Israel due to Trump. Jerusalem was acknowledged as the capital of Israel and the American embassy moved there, putting action behind his words. He kept his thumb on Iran and the terrorists during his tenure. Just a couple things I liked about what he did while in office. I hope he gets in again so he can get back to standing strong for the United States and strong for Israel.

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OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:31 amTrump is the clear choice for me over Biden. As Gunnery Sergeant Hartman once said, "He's got guts, and guts is enough." He puts America first. He has the courage of his convictions and isn't cowed by the radical left. He has common sense enough to close the border and make folks who want to come into this country go through the process like everyone else has had to. Like my grandparents on both my father and mothers side had to at the turn of last century. He has common sense enough to mine our own natural resources instead of having to rely on other nations. Common sense enough to make other nations pay their fair share. He has the courage of his convictions to stand up to Iran, North Korea, China, Russia, ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah, et al. I was very happy with most of what he did while he was in the Oval. Israel was very happy with Trump in the White House. I specifically remember Netanyahu turning to Trump during a visit to the States and saying something along the lines of, "Israel has never had a friend like you. Not even close". Five Arab nations made peace with Israel due to Trump. Jerusalem was acknowledged as the capital of Israel and the American embassy moved there, putting action behind his words. He kept his thumb on Iran and the terrorists during his tenure. Just a couple things I liked about what he did while in office. I hope he gets in again so he can get back to standing strong for the United States and strong for Israel.
Wow. "stand up" to Russia? You mean as far as building a Trump Tower Moscow? ...or giving Ukraine to Vlad...THAT "stand up"? ...or how he stood up to NK in one of those "love letters"? How'd you like how he stood up for "America First" with respect to the COVID pandemic? Did you shine lights up yer piehole or drink bleach? There's some common sense for ya. Remember early on when he wouldn't let that cruise ship dock on the west coast of Florida because, at the time, the infected passengers getting off the virus-laced ship would "make the numbers look bad"? That's some America First behavior for you.

Assume you're just fine with all this "Project 2025" stuff too, right? Fire, relocate, demote tens of thousands of civil service workers who don't jump when he barks. All the authoritarian things he plans to do take "guts", right? TRULY weaponizing the DoJ...that'll be fun to watch, you can soak up all that retribution...

Can't wait to get Jared and Ivanka back into government...Eric and Don Jr. too...great pile of family "guts" there, right? We'll get a lot more infrastructure work done under them...along with way more tax cuts. Oh boy.

Wait, we didn't talk about all those great court appointments he made...and his "common sense" position on abortion.

Four more years of Kool-Aid Martini's!

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dislaxxic wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 7:29 am
OuttaNowhereWregget wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 4:31 amTrump is the clear choice for me over Biden. As Gunnery Sergeant Hartman once said, "He's got guts, and guts is enough." He puts America first. He has the courage of his convictions and isn't cowed by the radical left. He has common sense enough to close the border and make folks who want to come into this country go through the process like everyone else has had to. Like my grandparents on both my father and mothers side had to at the turn of last century. He has common sense enough to mine our own natural resources instead of having to rely on other nations. Common sense enough to make other nations pay their fair share. He has the courage of his convictions to stand up to Iran, North Korea, China, Russia, ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah, et al. I was very happy with most of what he did while he was in the Oval. Israel was very happy with Trump in the White House. I specifically remember Netanyahu turning to Trump during a visit to the States and saying something along the lines of, "Israel has never had a friend like you. Not even close". Five Arab nations made peace with Israel due to Trump. Jerusalem was acknowledged as the capital of Israel and the American embassy moved there, putting action behind his words. He kept his thumb on Iran and the terrorists during his tenure. Just a couple things I liked about what he did while in office. I hope he gets in again so he can get back to standing strong for the United States and strong for Israel.
Wow. "stand up" to Russia? You mean as far as building a Trump Tower Moscow? ...or giving Ukraine to Vlad...THAT "stand up"? ...or how he stood up to NK in one of those "love letters"? How'd you like how he stood up for "America First" with respect to the COVID pandemic? Did you shine lights up yer piehole or drink bleach? There's some common sense for ya. Remember early on when he wouldn't let that cruise ship dock on the west coast of Florida because, at the time, the infected passengers getting off the virus-laced ship would "make the numbers look bad"? That's some America First behavior for you.

Assume you're just fine with all this "Project 2025" stuff too, right? Fire, relocate, demote tens of thousands of civil service workers who don't jump when he barks. All the authoritarian things he plans to do take "guts", right? TRULY weaponizing the DoJ...that'll be fun to watch, you can soak up all that retribution...

Can't wait to get Jared and Ivanka back into government...Eric and Don Jr. too...great pile of family "guts" there, right? We'll get a lot more infrastructure work done under them...along with way more tax cuts. Oh boy.

Wait, we didn't talk about all those great court appointments he made...and his "common sense" position on abortion.

Four more years of Kool-Aid Martini's!

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Or four more years of incompetent leadership. Biden will accomplish for the rest of the nation just like he effed up the southern border. As Joe would say ...I gotta kinda like feel well you know I support something and that whatever it is I support it...now get the f**k out of my office. Time for my nap. :D Joe Biden is that carton of milk you tucked into the back of your refrigerator years ago and is decades past his expiration date.
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The only hope for the Democrat party right now is for HRC to convince DFJ to join her for a midnight stroll in Ft Marcy Park. 8-)
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