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Re: Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 12:43 am
by old salt
a fan wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 12:30 am
old salt wrote: Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:47 pm I never claimed the House investigators or media had the actual laptop in their possession. That was your diversionary assertion on my behalf, in an attempt to discredit anything that was in the laptop..
:lol: You had NO IDEA they were working with Giuliani's "copies". You also had no idea the media never had access to the laptop. You also had no idea that the media didn't even have access to what Giuliani claimed was a copy of Hunter's laptop until after the election.

You were fooled and tricked, and your ego won't let you just admit that (happens to all of us) and move the F on.
BS. I posted links to NYT & NBC articles that said they were working with copies of the laptop hard drive.
I knew that the FBI had the actual laptop & everybody, including the FBI, was working off of copies of the hard drive.

I ask again -- so what ? If the info is corroborated by other means.

Re: Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 12:48 am
by old salt
a fan wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 12:36 am
old salt wrote: Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:47 pm
5 years (2014 -- 2019) of blowing off paying taxes & failure to report foreign income. Misdemeanors & probation ?
:lol: And Trump was found guilty of running a fraudulent charity. He do any jail time for that, like so many other Americans doing time for such things? You gonna scream about your Deep State with that, too?

F no. Welcome to America. Please, by all means, complain about how the rich get away with this stuff. The libs would LOVE to have you in their camp on this point.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdca/pr/ch ... heir-taxes
It was investigated & adjudicated in open court. Can't say the same for Hunter.
Trump paid $2 million in restitution to the charities involved. No way similar to the case you cite.
Again. So what ? What does this have to do with Hunter's case ?

Re: Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:02 am
by a fan
old salt wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 12:48 am
a fan wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 12:36 am
old salt wrote: Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:47 pm
5 years (2014 -- 2019) of blowing off paying taxes & failure to report foreign income. Misdemeanors & probation ?
:lol: And Trump was found guilty of running a fraudulent charity. He do any jail time for that, like so many other Americans doing time for such things? You gonna scream about your Deep State with that, too?

F no. Welcome to America. Please, by all means, complain about how the rich get away with this stuff. The libs would LOVE to have you in their camp on this point.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdca/pr/ch ... heir-taxes
It was investigated & adjudicated in open court. Can't say the same for Hunter.
:lol: Nice excuse. He got off easy, and you don't care. You can't even muster the strength to pretend to care.

But you're clutching pearls over the very idea that Hunter is getting the same rich-guy treatment, because of course he is, this is America.

And naturally, the Party affiliation has nothing to do with your views. Have a good night.

Re: Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:24 am
by old salt
a fan wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:02 am
old salt wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 12:48 am
a fan wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 12:36 am
old salt wrote: Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:47 pm
5 years (2014 -- 2019) of blowing off paying taxes & failure to report foreign income. Misdemeanors & probation ?
:lol: And Trump was found guilty of running a fraudulent charity. He do any jail time for that, like so many other Americans doing time for such things? You gonna scream about your Deep State with that, too?

F no. Welcome to America. Please, by all means, complain about how the rich get away with this stuff. The libs would LOVE to have you in their camp on this point.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdca/pr/ch ... heir-taxes
It was investigated & adjudicated in open court. Can't say the same for Hunter.
:lol: Nice excuse. He got off easy, and you don't care. You can't even muster the strength to pretend to care.

But you're clutching pearls over the very idea that Hunter is getting the same rich-guy treatment, because of course he is, this is America.

And naturally, the Party affiliation has nothing to do with your views. Have a good night.
Trump made good. He paid $2 million to the charities involved. Nothing like the case you cite.
Hunter still hasn't paid his tax bill. He got a "loan" for part of it, on which he's made no payments.
...yet he rides for free on AF1 & attends state dinners. Big improvement over the Trumps.

Re: Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:38 am
by old salt
Here's a factual timeline which should help afan understand why charges were not filed under Barr.
Hunter said he wasn't informed he was under investigation for his taxes until Dec 2020.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/irs-of ... -tax-years
A director within the IRS’ criminal investigations division told House lawmakers that he was frustrated that the Justice Department did not charge Hunter Biden for failing to pay federal income tax for 2014 and 2015, while defending IRS whistleblower Gary Shapley as a "bulldog" and a "fantastic" agent.

Michael Batdorf participated in a transcribed interview with the House Ways & Means Committee on Sept. 12 as part of the panel’s investigation into the Hunter Biden probe.

As part of the interview, Batdorf was asked about Shapley’s claims that "the most substantive felony charges were left off the table" in their years-long federal probe into Hunter Biden.

Shapley, who led the IRS' portion of the probe, said that Hunter Biden should have been charged with tax evasion for 2014, and for filing false tax returns for 2018 and 2019. With regard to the 2014 tax returns, Shapley said Hunter Biden did not report income from Ukrainian natural gas firm Burisma Holdings.

Batdorf was asked whether the tax years for 2014 and 2015 were included in a special agent report form from the IRS’ Criminal Investigations division dated February 2022.
"That is correct," he said, confirming that it included a recommendation of "at least one felony count."
Batdorf said it is "correct" that he agreed with the IRS recommendation for charges, but was "surprised" when he learned that prosecutors would not charge for those tax years.
"Based on my supporting of the case all the way through, yes, I was surprised," Batdorf said.
When asked if he was frustrated, he replied, "Yeah. Of course there was some level of frustration, yes."

Fox News Digital first reported in December 2020 that Hunter Biden did not report "approximately $400,000" in income he collected from his position on the board of Burisma Holdings when he joined in 2014.

Batdorf also testified that agents met with defense counsel for Hunter Biden multiple times.
When asked if that was typical during a tax investigation, Batdorf testified: "No."

Meanwhile, Batdorf was asked about Shapley’s claims that David Weiss, who now serves as special counsel but was serving as U.S. attorney for Delaware and led the Hunter Biden investigation since 2018, told investigators that he was "not the deciding" person on charges.

Batdorf, speaking to a broader understanding of DOJ tax approval cases, said that his "understanding would be that DOJ Tax has to authorize it first."
"My understanding is that, I mean, he can’t make that decision without DOJ Tax authorization," Batdorf said.
Attorney General Merrick Garland has repeatedly said that Weiss had all authority to make prosecutorial decisions in the case against the president’s son — as recently as Wednesday, when he testified under oath for hours before the House Judiciary Committee.
But Batdorf stressed that Weiss could not move forward with bringing charges without DOJ Tax approval.
"So Mr. Weiss couldn’t bring charges without first getting DOJ Tax approval?" Batdorf was asked.
He replied: "No. Not to the best of my knowledge, no."

Meanwhile, Batdorf defended Shapley, who has faced criticism for coming forward with allegations that politics influenced prosecutorial decisions made throughout the Hunter Biden investigation. Batdorf also said he supported him coming forward as a whistleblower.
"Gary is a fantastic agent," he said. "He’s a bulldog. He will get to the bottom of it."

Re: Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:38 am
by MDlaxfan76
old salt wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:24 am
a fan wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:02 am
old salt wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 12:48 am
a fan wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 12:36 am
old salt wrote: Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:47 pm
5 years (2014 -- 2019) of blowing off paying taxes & failure to report foreign income. Misdemeanors & probation ?
:lol: And Trump was found guilty of running a fraudulent charity. He do any jail time for that, like so many other Americans doing time for such things? You gonna scream about your Deep State with that, too?

F no. Welcome to America. Please, by all means, complain about how the rich get away with this stuff. The libs would LOVE to have you in their camp on this point.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdca/pr/ch ... heir-taxes
It was investigated & adjudicated in open court. Can't say the same for Hunter.
:lol: Nice excuse. He got off easy, and you don't care. You can't even muster the strength to pretend to care.

But you're clutching pearls over the very idea that Hunter is getting the same rich-guy treatment, because of course he is, this is America.

And naturally, the Party affiliation has nothing to do with your views. Have a good night.
Trump made good. He paid $2 million to the charities involved. Nothing like the case you cite.
Hunter still hasn't paid his tax bill. He got a "loan" for part of it, on which he's made no payments.
...yet he rides for free on AF1 & attends state dinners. Big improvement over the Trumps.
"made good" on fraud?

Re: Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:45 am
by a fan
old salt wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:24 am Trump made good. He paid $2 million to the charities involved. Nothing like the case you cite.
Hunter still hasn't paid his tax bill. He got a "loan" for part of it, on which he's made no payments.
...yet he rides for free on AF1 & attends state dinners. Big improvement over the Trumps.
:lol: You've moved the goalposts around so much in three posts, that you've lost track.

You were bemoaning that you think that Hunter got off easy, and telling me it had to be because of corruption.

I point out that this is what happens when you're rich, look at Trump who didn't serve a day, versus a couple who did time in a Federal prison for, you guessed it, defrauding a charity for their own benefit.

You understand why Trump got off---he's rich.

Yet for Hunter? You're convinced a Deep State----led by Trump appointees-----let Hunter off easy.

It's spectacular. And the best part is, you know perfectly well you're playing this silly game. You just don't care, is all.


And Trump didn't "make good". FFS, man. He plead guilty to defrauding several charities, and is about to be your nominee for POTUS.

Remember when you and your party cared about things like honor? You're about to put a man in office who was convicted of fraud, and it barely gets your attention. One of them was a charity that helps Vets, FFS. Who cares, right?

Right.

Re: Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:45 am
by a fan
MDlaxfan76 wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:38 am "made good" on fraud?
Awesome, right?

Re: Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:48 am
by a fan
old salt wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:38 am Here's a factual timeline which should help afan understand why charges were not filed under Barr.
Hunter said he wasn't informed he was under investigation for his taxes until Dec 2020.
:lol: And who's choice was that? Two years of investigation, and....not one pulled physical warrant? :lol: Oh yeah, that sounds reasonable.

Where's the part you left out where the Whistleblowers told us that Barr was dragging his feet, OS?

You "forgot" that again.

Please, keep giving us excuses for this. Barr is a saint for you, it's all on Garland. :roll:

Re: Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:58 am
by old salt
a fan wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:45 am
old salt wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:24 am Trump made good. He paid $2 million to the charities involved. Nothing like the case you cite.
Hunter still hasn't paid his tax bill. He got a "loan" for part of it, on which he's made no payments.
...yet he rides for free on AF1 & attends state dinners. Big improvement over the Trumps.
:lol: You've moved the goalposts around so much in three posts, that you've lost track.

You were bemoaning that you think that Hunter got off easy, and telling me it had to be because of corruption.

I point out that this is what happens when you're rich, look at Trump who didn't serve a day, versus a couple who did time in a Federal prison for, you guessed it, defrauding a charity for their own benefit.

You understand why Trump got off---he's rich.

Yet for Hunter? You're convinced a Deep State----led by Trump appointees-----let Hunter off easy.

It's spectacular. And the best part is, you know perfectly well you're playing this silly game. You just don't care, is all.

And Trump didn't "make good". FFS, man. He plead guilty to defrauding several charities, and is about to be your nominee for POTUS.

Remember when you and your party cared about things like honor? You're about to put a man in office who was convicted of fraud, and it barely gets your attention. One of them was a charity that helps Vets, FFS. Who cares, right?

Right.
Yeah, Trump's gotten off ez. :roll: How many indictments does he face ?
Trump paid the charities back. Your case didn't.

Hunter didn't get off because he's rich. He blew all his $$$ on drugs & hookers. He got off because Pop the Big Guy is connected.

Re: Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:09 am
by old salt
a fan wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:48 am
old salt wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:38 am Here's a factual timeline which should help afan understand why charges were not filed under Barr.
Hunter said he wasn't informed he was under investigation for his taxes until Dec 2020.
:lol: And who's choice was that? Two years of investigation, and....not one pulled physical warrant? :lol: Oh yeah, that sounds reasonable.

Where's the part you left out where the Whistleblowers told us that Barr was dragging his feet, OS?

You "forgot" that again.

Please, keep giving us excuses for this. Barr is a saint for you, it's all on Garland. :roll:
Do you have a reading comprehension problem ? I quote for you again :

Batdorf was asked whether the tax years for 2014 and 2015 were included in a special agent report form from the IRS’ Criminal Investigations division dated February 2022.

Batdorf also testified that agents met with defense counsel for Hunter Biden multiple times.

Meanwhile, Batdorf was asked about Shapley’s claims that David Weiss, who now serves as special counsel but was serving as U.S. attorney for Delaware and led the Hunter Biden investigation since 2018, told investigators that he was "not the deciding" person on charges.

Batdorf, speaking to a broader understanding of DOJ tax approval cases, said that his "understanding would be that DOJ Tax has to authorize it first."
"My understanding is that, I mean, he can’t make that decision without DOJ Tax authorization," Batdorf said.

But Batdorf stressed that Weiss could not move forward with bringing charges without DOJ Tax approval.
"So Mr. Weiss couldn’t bring charges without first getting DOJ Tax approval?" Batdorf was asked.
He replied: "No. Not to the best of my knowledge, no."


DoJ tax division did not complete their investigation until Feb 2022.
IRS Agents met with Hunter's defense counsel multiple times.
Weiss could not bring charges before that Feb 2022 report....but still within the SOL.
IRS WB Ziegler testified they had several electronic warrants for bank records.
It takes time to retrieve those records & build a case.
You think all they did was review Rudy's hard drive ?

Re: Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:29 am
by a fan
old salt wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:09 am Do you have a reading comprehension problem ?
Nope. YOU do.
old salt wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:09 am DoJ tax division did not complete their investigation until Feb 2022.
That's right. What part of "the Whistleblowers told us that Barr was dragging his feet, OS?"


The Whistleblowers told you, OS that the reason "they didn't finish until Feb of 2022" is that Barr was dragging his feet, slowing it down.

Do I need to break out puppets for you to understand WHY it took FOUR FREAKING YEARS to "investigate" a boilerplate tax case?

You're complaining about the SOL expiring. The WB's told you why it took so freaking long.

And you, naturally, don't care, because you think that Barr is your buddy.

We're done. No one is this dumb, and I'm tired of your gaslighting. Find someone else to sell your conspiracies to.....

Re: Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:38 am
by a fan
old salt wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 1:58 am Yeah, Trump's gotten off ez. :roll:
That's right. Lots of people in jail for defrauding a charity. Please, by all means, deny that.

For a guy who swears that he thinks Trump is a POS, you're here defending a man who stuck it to a Veteran's charity......and not one person at the Forum understand this behavior.

Then you come back with how many other indictment he's under now----and instead of recognizing that that's what happens to corrupt POS people when they break laws, you're on here acting like he's you-know-who on a Cross.

You're lost. But have no fear, your boy is gonna be POTUS again, and it's apologists like you that we have to thank for that.....

Re: Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 4:23 am
by old salt
a fan wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:29 am
old salt wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:09 am Do you have a reading comprehension problem ?
Nope. YOU do.
old salt wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:09 am DoJ tax division did not complete their investigation until Feb 2022.
That's right. What part of "the Whistleblowers told us that Barr was dragging his feet, OS?"

The Whistleblowers told you, OS that the reason "they didn't finish until Feb of 2022" is that Barr was dragging his feet, slowing it down.
That's your distorted characterization.

The warrants weren't ready until Apr 2020
https://newrepublic.com/post/174474/sta ... department

At that point it was the middle of the campaign & Barr enforced the standing DoJ policy not to interfere in an election campaign.
Insignificant, given the amount of time remaining on the SOL, which could be extended via a tolling agreement, if needed.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-bid ... ing-leads/
https://journalrecord.com/2023/07/20/ir ... iden-case/

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ex-tru ... ut-illegal
"Before the election there were reasons to defer certain investigative steps under Justice Department policy but after the election I don’t see reasons for deferring investigative steps and apparently somebody said it was the optics, well what are the optics after the election? That it was the president-elect’s son? That’s not a reason not to investigate," Barr added.

Re: Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:44 am
by Kismet
Saltine is so far down the rabbit hole with the rest of the GOP clowns that he no longer has any credibility. He could use a compass to find his way back to the surface on Earth 1. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

He even forgot to mention that his hero Fatso Orange was sanctioned by NYS and can no longer operate ANY charitable organization within the state. :oops:

Re: Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:52 am
by old salt
Kismet wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:44 am Saltine is so far down the rabbit hole with the rest of the GOP clowns that he no longer has any credibility. He could use a compass to find his way back to the surface on Earth 1. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

He even forgot to mention that his hero Fatso Orange was sanctioned by NYS and can no longer operate ANY charitable organization within the state. :oops:
Trump has nothing to do with this discussion. It remains my hope that his legal issues will prevent him from being nominated.

What Trump did or didn't do is an irrelevant whataboutism diversion in regard to Hunter's case.

At least Trump filed his income taxes, & Congress released his returns to the public when they got their hands on them.

Re: Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:56 am
by cradleandshoot
Kismet wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:44 am Saltine is so far down the rabbit hole with the rest of the GOP clowns that he no longer has any credibility. He could use a compass to find his way back to the surface on Earth 1. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

He even forgot to mention that his hero Fatso Orange was sanctioned by NYS and can no longer operate ANY charitable organization within the state. :oops:
Yet your one of the Sorosian clowns flying as HBs wingman on a kamikaze mission to destroy any credibility the sorry ass democRAT party might possibly have left. Point your nose down towards the target and go full throttle. You sorta resemble a Stuka. :D

Re: Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:59 am
by cradleandshoot
old salt wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:52 am
Kismet wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:44 am Saltine is so far down the rabbit hole with the rest of the GOP clowns that he no longer has any credibility. He could use a compass to find his way back to the surface on Earth 1. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

He even forgot to mention that his hero Fatso Orange was sanctioned by NYS and can no longer operate ANY charitable organization within the state. :oops:
Trump has nothing to do with this discussion. It remains my hope that his legal issues will prevent him from being nominated.

What Trump did or didn't do is an irrelevant whataboutism diversion in regard to Hunter's case.

At least Trump filed his income taxes, & Congress released his returns to the public when they got their hands on them.
Shouldn't trump follow HBs lead and sue somebody for leaking his private tax information?? ;)

Re: Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:59 am
by Kismet
old salt wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:52 am
Kismet wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:44 am Saltine is so far down the rabbit hole with the rest of the GOP clowns that he no longer has any credibility. He could use a compass to find his way back to the surface on Earth 1. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

He even forgot to mention that his hero Fatso Orange was sanctioned by NYS and can no longer operate ANY charitable organization within the state. :oops:
Trump has nothing to do with this discussion. It remains my hope that his legal issues will prevent him from being nominated.

What Trump did or didn't do is an irrelevant whataboutism diversion in regard to Hunter's case.

At least Trump filed his income taxes, & Congress released his returns to the public when they got their hands on them.
Here's another tidbit on your other hero - John Durham
https://apnews.com/article/connecticut- ... 098cd8ed40

Apparently his longtime assistant prosecutor at Connecticut DoJ reveals why she quit the probe.

Hoping you find that compass to get out of the rabbit hole you're in - perhaps you'll meet the Mad Hatter at a tea party soon. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Hunter Biden Tinfoil issues

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:12 am
by cradleandshoot
Kismet wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:59 am
old salt wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:52 am
Kismet wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:44 am Saltine is so far down the rabbit hole with the rest of the GOP clowns that he no longer has any credibility. He could use a compass to find his way back to the surface on Earth 1. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

He even forgot to mention that his hero Fatso Orange was sanctioned by NYS and can no longer operate ANY charitable organization within the state. :oops:
Trump has nothing to do with this discussion. It remains my hope that his legal issues will prevent him from being nominated.

What Trump did or didn't do is an irrelevant whataboutism diversion in regard to Hunter's case.

At least Trump filed his income taxes, & Congress released his returns to the public when they got their hands on them.
Here's another tidbit on your other hero - John Durham
https://apnews.com/article/connecticut- ... 098cd8ed40

Apparently his longtime assistant prosecutor at Connecticut DoJ reveals why she quit the probe.

Hoping you find that compass to get out of the rabbit hole you're in - perhaps you'll meet the Mad Hatter at a tea party soon. :lol: :lol: :lol:
The Mad Hatter??? You resemble the Cheshire Cat old sod. All toothy smile and no substance to anything you say. :D