Johns Hopkins 2020

[44WeWantMore]

After which goals did you say, "Boy, he should have had that one"?

As for Williams, while he did not put the team on his back and carry them to an improbable victory, nobody on the Jays approached his EGA.

[flalax22]

Tell you what we need, some peer leadership!

[DocBarrister]

According to Hopkins own stats, Darby‘s save percentage for today was .452.

No goalie is going to save more than 50% if Chris Gray gets his hands free as often as he did in this game. After watching him in action, I think the best way to defend him is to faceguard him with your most athletic SSDM and spend the entire game shutting him off and slashing his hands every time he gets the ball.

Completely failed game plan for Chris Gray.

DocBarrister

[wgdsr]

Darby hasn't played poorly. I wouldn't say he played great. One of the bigger issues is that he doesn't get the ball out of the his stick on clears. He holds it way to long.

The bigger issue is the Hopkins long sticks are just awful. There isn't a good athlete among them and their stick work is horrendous - honestly the entire team has substandard stickwork. Good thing they chased Rapine away. They spend way too much time ball watching and not enough time moving. They can't defend a cutter to save their life. I get Petro likes man to man but with this group he has to play zone. There isn't enough speed or talent to match up in man-to-man on Hopkins defense. But, hey, stubborn and loyal tend to be the opposite sides of the same coin.

Fine for Petro to play man-to-man, but if you do you need to press out and pressure opponents. Get on their hands. Harass them all over the field. To use the key word of the season, if you’re going to play man-to-man in this era, you need full “buy-in” and play man-to-man aggressively.

That’s what Loyola does. That’s what North Carolina does.

Petro’s defenses are more than a decade behind the times.

DocBarrister

for the last quarter and a half, maybe.
the rest of it... you have no idea what youre talking about. youve never played, so stop speaking like an expert.
theyve created a defense and with the shot clock you can play to that. having to be aggressive has never been less necessary.

[WOMBAT, Mod Emeritus]

Tell you what we need, some peer leadership!

And kick someone else off the team! Go Peers!

[Jhu99]

Again, turnovers all over the field killed us today. 8 UNC goals on possessions after a turnover. Basically 9 goals if you count the ridiculous 3/4 field shot on the clear that was saved.

Petro needs to go after this year. Hire Metzbower

[10 10 2]

Darby hasn't played poorly. I wouldn't say he played great. One of the bigger issues is that he doesn't get the ball out of the his stick on clears. He holds it way to long.

The bigger issue is the Hopkins long sticks are just awful. There isn't a good athlete among them and their stick work is horrendous - honestly the entire team has substandard stickwork. Good thing they chased Rapine away. They spend way too much time ball watching and not enough time moving. They can't defend a cutter to save their life. I get Petro likes man to man but with this group he has to play zone. There isn't enough speed or talent to match up in man-to-man on Hopkins defense. But, hey, stubborn and loyal tend to be the opposite sides of the same coin.

Fine for Petro to play man-to-man, but if you do you need to press out and pressure opponents. Get on their hands. Harass them all over the field. To use the key word of the season, if you’re going to play man-to-man in this era, you need full “buy-in” and play man-to-man aggressively.

That’s what Loyola does. That’s what North Carolina does.

Petro’s defenses are more than a decade behind the times.

DocBarrister

for the last quarter and a half, maybe.
the rest of it... you have no idea what youre talking about. youve never played, so stop speaking like an expert.
theyve created a defense and with the shot clock you can play to that. having to be aggressive has never been less necessary.

Agree.

According to Hopkins own stats, Darby‘s save percentage for today was .452.

No goalie is going to save more than 50% if Chris Gray gets his hands free as often as he did in this game. After watching him in action, I think the best way to defend him is to faceguard him with your most athletic SSDM and spend the entire game shutting him off and slashing his hands every time he gets the ball.

Completely failed game plan for Chris Gray.

DocBarrister

This, combined with your suggestion of an aggressive pressing out defense, would probably result in the Blue Jays losing by 20+ goals. It's a recipe for a record-setting blowout loss.

[DocBarrister]

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It’s still February. I still recall the season where Petro loosed his hounds and the Blue Jays essentially doubled their avg CTs per game overnight. Started with a game against an athletic Albany team, with 5 caused turnovers in just the first half. CT per game average went from around 3 to 8.

Petro needs to make that change now. Play faster. Play more aggressively. Institute an aggressive ride. Play more players. Amp up the Blue Jays’ entire game.

Don’t know Petro’s job status, but if his job really is on the line this season, then he ought to go out swinging.

Speed. Aggression. Physicality.

Let’s drop Hopkins gentility and start beating the cr*p out of opponents. Chris Gray should have walked away from this game with bruised hands, wrists, and forearms. Instead, he’s ready to play a Grieg concerto.

Amp it up coach. Amp it up NOW. At the very least, your boys will have more fun.

DocBarrister

[wgdsr]

oy vey.

[DocBarrister]

Darby hasn't played poorly. I wouldn't say he played great. One of the bigger issues is that he doesn't get the ball out of the his stick on clears. He holds it way to long.

The bigger issue is the Hopkins long sticks are just awful. There isn't a good athlete among them and their stick work is horrendous - honestly the entire team has substandard stickwork. Good thing they chased Rapine away. They spend way too much time ball watching and not enough time moving. They can't defend a cutter to save their life. I get Petro likes man to man but with this group he has to play zone. There isn't enough speed or talent to match up in man-to-man on Hopkins defense. But, hey, stubborn and loyal tend to be the opposite sides of the same coin.

Fine for Petro to play man-to-man, but if you do you need to press out and pressure opponents. Get on their hands. Harass them all over the field. To use the key word of the season, if you’re going to play man-to-man in this era, you need full “buy-in” and play man-to-man aggressively.

That’s what Loyola does. That’s what North Carolina does.

Petro’s defenses are more than a decade behind the times.

DocBarrister

for the last quarter and a half, maybe.
the rest of it... you have no idea what youre talking about. youve never played, so stop speaking like an expert.
theyve created a defense and with the shot clock you can play to that. having to be aggressive has never been less necessary.

Agree.

According to Hopkins own stats, Darby‘s save percentage for today was .452.

No goalie is going to save more than 50% if Chris Gray gets his hands free as often as he did in this game. After watching him in action, I think the best way to defend him is to faceguard him with your most athletic SSDM and spend the entire game shutting him off and slashing his hands every time he gets the ball.

Completely failed game plan for Chris Gray.

DocBarrister

This, combined with your suggestion of an aggressive pressing out defense, would probably result in the Blue Jays losing by 20+ goals. It's a recipe for a record-setting blowout loss.

I kinda think 17-10 is a blowout loss.

I would take your opinions more seriously (and to make it clear, I don’t) if Petro hadn’t done this before.

Take a look at the 2014 season when Hopkins lost consecutive games against Syracuse, Virginia, and North Carolina.

Petro decided to flip the switch and play more aggressive defense all over the field. Result? Eight caused turnovers against Albany and 12 caused turnovers against Maryland. Twenty caused turnovers in two games. Look it up. He salvaged a potentially disastrous season (wound up 11-5), and that team was no more athletic than this one (indeed, it was a team that Petro basically acknowledged lacked talent before the season even began). It was a team of motion offense and (in the second half) aggressive defense—two new styles for Petro and his team. Personally, I think 2014 may have been Petro’s finest as a coach.

So don’t give me that bullsh*t that Hopkins can’t change its stripes, even in mid-season.

Petro and his boys have done it before. Let’s see if they can do it again.

DocBarrister

[DocBarrister]

Darby hasn't played poorly. I wouldn't say he played great. One of the bigger issues is that he doesn't get the ball out of the his stick on clears. He holds it way to long.

The bigger issue is the Hopkins long sticks are just awful. There isn't a good athlete among them and their stick work is horrendous - honestly the entire team has substandard stickwork. Good thing they chased Rapine away. They spend way too much time ball watching and not enough time moving. They can't defend a cutter to save their life. I get Petro likes man to man but with this group he has to play zone. There isn't enough speed or talent to match up in man-to-man on Hopkins defense. But, hey, stubborn and loyal tend to be the opposite sides of the same coin.

Fine for Petro to play man-to-man, but if you do you need to press out and pressure opponents. Get on their hands. Harass them all over the field. To use the key word of the season, if you’re going to play man-to-man in this era, you need full “buy-in” and play man-to-man aggressively.

That’s what Loyola does. That’s what North Carolina does.

Petro’s defenses are more than a decade behind the times.

DocBarrister

for the last quarter and a half, maybe.
the rest of it... you have no idea what youre talking about. youve never played, so stop speaking like an expert.
theyve created a defense and with the shot clock you can play to that. having to be aggressive has never been less necessary.

Relying on the shot clock as your 8th defender is basically the shot clock variant of a passive defense. With today’s shooters, it’s important to prevent any clean shot from any range.

Petro’s passive defense has always put too much pressure and emphasis on goalies to make the stops. It sets up Hopkins goalies for failure. North Carolina’s aggressive defense prevented many Hopkins shots from even reaching the goal.

I think Darby had a fine game stopping shots (directing clears, another matter). But stopping shots with little disruption of North Carolina shooters? Shooting gallery.

DocBarrister

[jhu08]

According to Hopkins own stats, Darby‘s save percentage for today was .452.

No goalie is going to save more than 50% if Chris Gray gets his hands free as often as he did in this game. After watching him in action, I think the best way to defend him is to faceguard him with your most athletic SSDM and spend the entire game shutting him off and slashing his hands every time he gets the ball.

Completely failed game plan for Chris Gray.

DocBarrister

This, combined with your suggestion of an aggressive pressing out defense, would probably result in the Blue Jays losing by 20+ goals. It's a recipe for a record-setting blowout loss.

Agreed, putting our "most athletic SSDM" on Gray is just asking for us to get blown up.

So don’t give me that bullsh*t that Hopkins can’t change its stripes, even in mid-season.

Petro and his boys have done it before. Let’s see if they can do it again.

DocBarrister

Who was it that was all aboard the Hopkins final 4 hype train this preseason? Oh yeah, it was you. Did that hype train involve two early season losses where we looked god awful??? Choo choo! Own your bad views and stop trying to make excuses. That Kool-Aid tastes good!

This team is AQ or bust, book it.

[wgdsr]

for the last quarter and a half, maybe.
the rest of it... you have no idea what youre talking about. youve never played, so stop speaking like an expert.
theyve created a defense and with the shot clock you can play to that. having to be aggressive has never been less necessary.

Relying on the shot clock as your 8th defender is basically the shot clock variant of a passive defense. With today’s shooters, it’s important to prevent any clean shot from any range.

Petro’s passive defense has always put too much pressure and emphasis on goalies to make the stops. It sets up Hopkins goalies for failure. North Carolina’s aggressive defense prevented many Hopkins shots from even reaching the goal.

I think Darby had a fine game stopping shots (directing clears, another matter). But stopping shots with little disruption of North Carolina shooters? Shooting gallery.

DocBarrister

here's my theory... you have never coached at any level.
make me sound foolish.

[Big Dog]

Darby hasn't played poorly. I wouldn't say he played great. One of the bigger issues is that he doesn't get the ball out of the his stick on clears. He holds it way to long.

The bigger issue is the Hopkins long sticks are just awful. There isn't a good athlete among them and their stick work is horrendous - honestly the entire team has substandard stickwork. Good thing they chased Rapine away. They spend way too much time ball watching and not enough time moving. They can't defend a cutter to save their life. I get Petro likes man to man but with this group he has to play zone. There isn't enough speed or talent to match up in man-to-man on Hopkins defense. But, hey, stubborn and loyal tend to be the opposite sides of the same coin.

Fine for Petro to play man-to-man, but if you do you need to press out and pressure opponents. Get on their hands. Harass them all over the field. To use the key word of the season, if you’re going to play man-to-man in this era, you need full “buy-in” and play man-to-man aggressively.

That’s what Loyola does. That’s what North Carolina does.

Petro’s defenses are more than a decade behind the times.

DocBarrister

for the last quarter and a half, maybe.
the rest of it... you have no idea what youre talking about. youve never played, so stop speaking like an expert.
theyve created a defense and with the shot clock you can play to that. having to be aggressive has never been less necessary.

Relying on the shot clock as your 8th defender is basically the shot clock variant of a passive defense. With today’s shooters, it’s important to prevent any clean shot from any range.

Petro’s passive defense has always put too much pressure and emphasis on goalies to make the stops. It sets up Hopkins goalies for failure. North Carolina’s aggressive defense prevented many Hopkins shots from even reaching the goal.

I was thinking the same thing. Plenty of Hopkins's shots were checked/blocked way out front of the cage and only became an official shot statistic bcos they traveled in the general direction of the crease.

[primitiveskills]

We've got about 9,000 poles on the roster yet apparently no one who is a 1-on-1 defender. If only playing zone was legal. Oh, wait....

[DocBarrister]

According to Hopkins own stats, Darby‘s save percentage for today was .452.

No goalie is going to save more than 50% if Chris Gray gets his hands free as often as he did in this game. After watching him in action, I think the best way to defend him is to faceguard him with your most athletic SSDM and spend the entire game shutting him off and slashing his hands every time he gets the ball.

Completely failed game plan for Chris Gray.

DocBarrister

This, combined with your suggestion of an aggressive pressing out defense, would probably result in the Blue Jays losing by 20+ goals. It's a recipe for a record-setting blowout loss.

Agreed, putting our "most athletic SSDM" on Gray is just asking for us to get blown up.

So don’t give me that bullsh*t that Hopkins can’t change its stripes, even in mid-season.

Petro and his boys have done it before. Let’s see if they can do it again.

DocBarrister

Who was it that was all aboard the Hopkins final 4 hype train this preseason? Oh yeah, it was you. Did that hype train involve two early season losses where we looked god awful??? Choo choo! Own your bad views and stop trying to make excuses. That Kool-Aid tastes good!

This team is AQ or bust, book it.

I still see great potential in this team. Darby is playing better. DeSimone is playing better. Degnon is a rising young star. Zinn has been much more productive. SSDMs have been better overall. Defense is a work in progress, but even the D has been better in the first three games compared to last season. And all of this with Epstein at half speed.

I think Hopkins should play more aggressively on defense, more aggressively on the ride. Am I the only one who thinks this? I doubt it.

Blue Jays can turn this around and have a special season. I still believe that, but they’re going to have to make some adjustments.

Play fast, aggressive, and physical.

Amp it up. Amp it up NOW.

DocBarrister

[DocBarrister]

for the last quarter and a half, maybe.
the rest of it... you have no idea what youre talking about. youve never played, so stop speaking like an expert.
theyve created a defense and with the shot clock you can play to that. having to be aggressive has never been less necessary.

Relying on the shot clock as your 8th defender is basically the shot clock variant of a passive defense. With today’s shooters, it’s important to prevent any clean shot from any range.

Petro’s passive defense has always put too much pressure and emphasis on goalies to make the stops. It sets up Hopkins goalies for failure. North Carolina’s aggressive defense prevented many Hopkins shots from even reaching the goal.

I think Darby had a fine game stopping shots (directing clears, another matter). But stopping shots with little disruption of North Carolina shooters? Shooting gallery.

DocBarrister

here's my theory... you have never coached at any level.
make me sound foolish.

Yeah, but lacrosse ain’t rocket science.

Football? Different story.

DocBarrister

[wgdsr]

and unc managed this advantage with their "aggressive"defense, turning a 3 to 2 cumulative cto advantage into a comfortable win. i think you've hit the nail on the head and lax is for dummies.

[DocBarrister]

Darby hasn't played poorly. I wouldn't say he played great. One of the bigger issues is that he doesn't get the ball out of the his stick on clears. He holds it way to long.

The bigger issue is the Hopkins long sticks are just awful. There isn't a good athlete among them and their stick work is horrendous - honestly the entire team has substandard stickwork. Good thing they chased Rapine away. They spend way too much time ball watching and not enough time moving. They can't defend a cutter to save their life. I get Petro likes man to man but with this group he has to play zone. There isn't enough speed or talent to match up in man-to-man on Hopkins defense. But, hey, stubborn and loyal tend to be the opposite sides of the same coin.

Fine for Petro to play man-to-man, but if you do you need to press out and pressure opponents. Get on their hands. Harass them all over the field. To use the key word of the season, if you’re going to play man-to-man in this era, you need full “buy-in” and play man-to-man aggressively.

That’s what Loyola does. That’s what North Carolina does.

Petro’s defenses are more than a decade behind the times.

DocBarrister

for the last quarter and a half, maybe.
the rest of it... you have no idea what youre talking about. youve never played, so stop speaking like an expert.
theyve created a defense and with the shot clock you can play to that. having to be aggressive has never been less necessary.

Relying on the shot clock as your 8th defender is basically the shot clock variant of a passive defense. With today’s shooters, it’s important to prevent any clean shot from any range.

Petro’s passive defense has always put too much pressure and emphasis on goalies to make the stops. It sets up Hopkins goalies for failure. North Carolina’s aggressive defense prevented many Hopkins shots from even reaching the goal.

I was thinking the same thing. Plenty of Hopkins's shots were checked/blocked way out front of the cage and only became an official shot statistic bcos they traveled in the general direction of the crease.

Yes, that’s right.

Hopkins had a much lower SOG% compared to North Carolina shooters in this game. Some of that is on the Hopkins shooters, but much of it was attributable to the aggressive North Carolina defense getting their sticks on shooters hands, blocking shots, and pressuring shooters.

Now, watch how cleanly North Carolina shooters got their shots off, even with Hopkins defenders nearby. Clearly received different coaching.

DocBarrister

[steel_hop]

Box score reads 2 turnovers. Forry had three. Going after our leading scorer yet again...sounds about right for this forum.

Angelus played like 5 minutes and had a goal and an assist. Only explanation for the lack of Murphy has to be an injury, otherwise...mindboggling.
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Not sure asking how sloppy William's was in the game is going after him. He played poorly. He 2 turnovers but also a bunch of passes that were off target and recovered by Hopkins.