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Re: Climate Change & The Environment

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:08 pm
by youthathletics

Re: Climate Change & The Environment

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:03 pm
by holmes435
youthathletics wrote: Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:08 pm You make the call : https://www.instagram.com/tv/B-noiDuHXu ... tgepsl8ri0
I'll make the call.

A lot of misinformation in there which fuels partisanship like we see with Bandito and PB. He also believes that conservative = Republican. The thing is, I agree with a lot of what he says about conservative beliefs in theory! That's what attracts me to the conservative ideal in many areas, from fiscal policy to the environment. The problem is where the rubber meets the road.

Republicans 150 and 100 years ago like Grant and TR seized and declared millions of acres of land (or bought for pennies on the dollar) to be owned by the federal government. This was to prevent them from being exploited by private businesses and ruined. Republican Nixon signed the bills creating the EPA and greatly increased and consolidated Social Security. These are massive government programs! Republican Eisenhower and the interstates - not really environmentally friendly but great for the nation economically and national security, and a massive government program! The thing is, most of these issues were much more bipartisan back in the day. They were seen as beneficial to the majority of Americans, so you had both parties working on them, whether Democrats were the conservatives or Republicans were the conservatives depending on the decade.

My question is do you think any Republican nowadays could propose anything close to these programs? National parks? Interstates? Social Security? The EPA?

The answer is no. The big government programs they propose help their constituents feel better and aren't conservative. Massive unfunded tax cuts (not fiscally conservative), the largest government department in history in Homeland Security (full of sieves and not conservative), and the largest unfunded Medicare expansion in history (not fiscally conservative or conservative in general, but helps older R voters).


If Republicans actually practiced conservative ideals, they would grab so many independent voters that they wouldn't have to rely on voter suppression, gerrymandering and more to win elections. They'd also have my vote.

Re: Climate Change & The Environment

Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:06 pm
by a fan
Mine too!!!! I'd vote GOP every freaking time.

Been saying this on the forums for almost two decades.

Re: Climate Change & The Environment

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:11 am
by Kismet
Republican Eisenhower and the interstates - not really environmentally friendly but great for the nation economically and national security, and a massive government program!
Actually much of Ike's thinking on Interstate highway system went back to a harrowing cross country road trip he took when he was in the Army in 1919. The trip took 62 days from Washington D.C. to San Francisco -

"In 62 days, more than 80 trucks, cars and motorcycles made their way along the planned route of the Lincoln Highway, one of the first cross-country highways ever built. They crossed plains, mountains and deserts on roads that, up until Nebraska, were surprisingly well made. But once the convoy hit the West, the trucks started getting stuck in ditches, sand and mud, for hours at a time. By Utah, the conditions of the roads were so bad, it almost stopped the convoy altogether."

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/i ... -road-trip

Just another example of practiced and competent leadership applying principles learned from real past experience applied into the future.

Re: Climate Change & The Environment

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:43 am
by runrussellrun
Kismet wrote: Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:11 am
Republican Eisenhower and the interstates - not really environmentally friendly but great for the nation economically and national security, and a massive government program!
Actually much of Ike's thinking on Interstate highway system went back to a harrowing cross country road trip he took when he was in the Army in 1919. The trip took 62 days from Washington D.C. to San Francisco -

"In 62 days, more than 80 trucks, cars and motorcycles made their way along the planned route of the Lincoln Highway, one of the first cross-country highways ever built. They crossed plains, mountains and deserts on roads that, up until Nebraska, were surprisingly well made. But once the convoy hit the West, the trucks started getting stuck in ditches, sand and mud, for hours at a time. By Utah, the conditions of the roads were so bad, it almost stopped the convoy altogether."

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/i ... -road-trip

Just another example of practiced and competent leadership applying principles learned from real past experience applied into the future.
Utah......so bad.....it wasn't them morons at the Mountain meadows massacred, blocking travelers agains....truth strange. Fiction normal.

Tuckermans on April 20th. It will be epic. Lots of snow. LOTS OF SNOW

Re: Climate Change & The Environment

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:08 am
by Peter Brown
holmes435 wrote: Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:03 pm
youthathletics wrote: Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:08 pm You make the call : https://www.instagram.com/tv/B-noiDuHXu ... tgepsl8ri0
I'll make the call.

A lot of misinformation in there which fuels partisanship like we see with Bandito and PB. He also believes that conservative = Republican. The thing is, I agree with a lot of what he says about conservative beliefs in theory! That's what attracts me to the conservative ideal in many areas, from fiscal policy to the environment. The problem is where the rubber meets the road.

Republicans 150 and 100 years ago like Grant and TR seized and declared millions of acres of land (or bought for pennies on the dollar) to be owned by the federal government. This was to prevent them from being exploited by private businesses and ruined. Republican Nixon signed the bills creating the EPA and greatly increased and consolidated Social Security. These are massive government programs! Republican Eisenhower and the interstates - not really environmentally friendly but great for the nation economically and national security, and a massive government program! The thing is, most of these issues were much more bipartisan back in the day. They were seen as beneficial to the majority of Americans, so you had both parties working on them, whether Democrats were the conservatives or Republicans were the conservatives depending on the decade.

My question is do you think any Republican nowadays could propose anything close to these programs? National parks? Interstates? Social Security? The EPA?

The answer is no. The big government programs they propose help their constituents feel better and aren't conservative. Massive unfunded tax cuts (not fiscally conservative), the largest government department in history in Homeland Security (full of sieves and not conservative), and the largest unfunded Medicare expansion in history (not fiscally conservative or conservative in general, but helps older R voters).


If Republicans actually practiced conservative ideals, they would grab so many independent voters that they wouldn't have to rely on voter suppression, gerrymandering and more to win elections. They'd also have my vote.



Nothing to see here; just Dems encouraging illegal immigrants to vote in American elections. Surely they wouldn't want that for the nation as a whole, these are just local ballot measures. Dems are very patriotic folks!

:lol: Keep quiet and move along. Talk about these measures and we will kick you off Twitter (because we are such #1A fanatics as well! :lol: ).


https://www.latimes.com/local/californi ... story.html

https://www.newsweek.com/immigrants-are ... ica-664467

Re: Climate Change & The Environment

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:13 am
by njbill
As your hero says, if everyone votes, Republicans will lose.

Re: Climate Change & The Environment

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:28 am
by Typical Lax Dad

Re: Climate Change & The Environment

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:40 am
by Peter Brown


The global warming scam is a widespread belief in a new religion based on the deification of a nebulous entity, “The Environment”. Honestly, you people are suffering from mass paranoia and delusions.

Re: Climate Change & The Environment

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:44 am
by Typical Lax Dad
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:40 am


The global warming scam is a widespread belief in a new religion based on the deification of a nebulous entity, “The Environment”. Honestly, you people are suffering from mass paranoia and delusions.
I didn’t indicate the pope was right. I just posted his take as it is the first article I have read which links Covid 19 with Climate Change. You are obsessed. Send him an email.

Re: Climate Change & The Environment

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:47 am
by Peter Brown
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:44 am
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:40 am


The global warming scam is a widespread belief in a new religion based on the deification of a nebulous entity, “The Environment”. Honestly, you people are suffering from mass paranoia and delusions.
I didn’t indicate the pope was right. I just posted his take as it is the first article I have read which links Covid 19 with Climate Change. You are obsessed. Send him an email.


It's all Catholic Church marketing. The Pope could not care less about global warming. Nor do I. It's a scam. I'm saving my email for when I need it.

:lol:

Re: Climate Change & The Environment

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:47 am
by MDlaxfan76
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:40 am


The global warming scam is a widespread belief in a new religion based on the deification of a nebulous entity, “The Environment”. Honestly, you people are suffering from mass paranoia and delusions.
Not sure how that was responsive to the Pope's statements, but we do know that you think concerns about the environment are somehow not 'conservative' and maybe threatening to industry?

Fine.

But you're apparently making common cause with the posters on here who have argued that "The Earth" has a mind of its own and responds to heal itself (thus the warming is not man influenced, it's just the Earth doing its will).

It's unclear to me who is actually deifying nature, the scientists or the deniers.
I'm leaning the deniers.

Re: Climate Change & The Environment

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:52 am
by Typical Lax Dad
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:47 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:44 am
Peter Brown wrote: Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:40 am


The global warming scam is a widespread belief in a new religion based on the deification of a nebulous entity, “The Environment”. Honestly, you people are suffering from mass paranoia and delusions.
I didn’t indicate the pope was right. I just posted his take as it is the first article I have read which links Covid 19 with Climate Change. You are obsessed. Send him an email.


It's all Catholic Church marketing. The Pope could not care less about global warming. Nor do I. It's a scam. I'm saving my email for when I need it.

:lol:
Putting you back in timeout
🤡

Re: Climate Change & The Environment

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:07 pm
by holmes435
People in India can see Himalayas for first time in decades as pollution eases

"For the first time in almost 30 years (I) could clearly see the Himalayas due to India's lockdown clearing air pollution. Just amazing," Manjit Kang wrote.

Re: Climate Change & The Environment

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:48 pm
by jhu72

Re: Climate Change & The Environment

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:57 pm
by jhu72
holmes435 wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:07 pm People in India can see Himalayas for first time in decades as pollution eases

"For the first time in almost 30 years (I) could clearly see the Himalayas due to India's lockdown clearing air pollution. Just amazing," Manjit Kang wrote.
The night skies around Bmore are also better - when it is not overcast. While we are on holiday it is a great time to take the kids out at night so they can see something - like the milky way that they will have very little chance to see in the future. It is a fabulous sight, something I haven't seen but very very rarely since I was a 10 year old. Use to be able to see 6th and 7th magnitude stars with no difficulty and lots of them. Now you are lucky - pre-holiday to see 4th magnitude stars.

Re: Climate Change & The Environment

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:18 am
by youthathletics
jhu72 wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:57 pm
holmes435 wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:07 pm People in India can see Himalayas for first time in decades as pollution eases

"For the first time in almost 30 years (I) could clearly see the Himalayas due to India's lockdown clearing air pollution. Just amazing," Manjit Kang wrote.
The night skies around Bmore are also better - when it is not overcast. While we are on holiday it is a great time to take the kids out at night so they can see something - like the milky way that they will have very little chance to see in the future. It is a fabulous sight, something I haven't seen but very very rarely since I was a 10 year old. Use to be able to see 6th and 7th magnitude stars with no difficulty and lots of them. Now you are lucky - pre-holiday to see 4th magnitude stars.
Reminds me of a story. As a sponsor family, we hosted a young man attending the USNA who was top ranked in the Taiwan Naval Academy at our home. It was his first real time away outside the yard of USNA after his plebe summer, it was over Thanksgiving weekend. Our drive home is full of country views. I check in the rear view mirror on occasion and just see him smiling and head looking left and right, absorbing it all. We pull into our driveway, at the end of a cul-da-sac, with woods everywhere....he steps out and says under his breath, just enough for me to hear.....'holy FUk', I have never seen anything like this.

We then have dinner and head outdoors to sit by the fire nestled in the woods, under some tall river birches. About 20 minutes later, I see his knees just hopping up and down and he is smiling ear to ear....I ask him if he is doing okay and if he needs anything, he replies....I grew up in the city of Taiwan, we lived over the pharmacy that my father owns, if we need anything, anything at all, we only walk a few blocks either way....we never leave the city, my father store is open 7 days a week. He then goes on to say....I have never seen the night sky like this, never....I am soooo excited and happy, the stars look so close.

Re: Climate Change & The Environment

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:46 am
by Typical Lax Dad

Re: Climate Change & The Environment

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:47 pm
by youthathletics

Re: Climate Change & The Environment

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:52 pm
by Typical Lax Dad