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Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:51 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:48 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:43 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:38 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:32 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:30 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:26 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:20 am

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:02 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:44 am

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 8:28 am Be careful. You are treading awfully close- Viruses shouldn’t be described as “Chinese” lest you want to get your hand slapped…

Or because viruses don’t have nationalities therefore there’s another meaning and politicization of a deadly disease which only stupid people would do.

Not really. Foods have nationalities, dogs, and even other viruses are named after locations and given nationalities.
It's may not be your preferred practice, or preferred by those who are easily offended, but it's quite common for much of the world.
But if it is something that you would like to personally control in your life, to make a difference, by all means, go ahead.

Given names doesn’t mean they are inherent to their existence. You’re also mixing cultures and borders without acknowledging the difference. Makes the whole argument kind of valueless.

Being named after isn’t the same as having the essence of. And if you believe this was manufactured then it’s really dumb to behave that way but go ahead.

COVID-19 could have easily been called Wuhan virus. But given the political climate, that too would have been too charged. In order to focus on the task at hand, the generic COVID-19 was a good call. I suppose Kramer favors calling aids the African virus.

Strawman.

Correct and truthful adjectives aren't always preferred or perfect. But it doesn't make them wrong.

Adjective means unnecessary and chosen by the user to convey something beyond the literal.

By definition used to modify a noun. The noun works on its own.

"Coronavirus" is general, not specific.

Did you forget your proclivity to call it the wuhan virus?

I leaned more toward Chinese CoronaVirus the way the newspapers did in those first few months. Although Wuhan is the place where it was first noticed...so that would be an accurate take also.

No need to use Chinese. It’s inefficient to say and therefore should be stopped like in person learning by your same logic. If you care about consistency of thought at all.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:56 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:51 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:48 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:43 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:38 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:32 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:30 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:26 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:20 am

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:02 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:44 am

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 8:28 am Be careful. You are treading awfully close- Viruses shouldn’t be described as “Chinese” lest you want to get your hand slapped…

Or because viruses don’t have nationalities therefore there’s another meaning and politicization of a deadly disease which only stupid people would do.

Not really. Foods have nationalities, dogs, and even other viruses are named after locations and given nationalities.
It's may not be your preferred practice, or preferred by those who are easily offended, but it's quite common for much of the world.
But if it is something that you would like to personally control in your life, to make a difference, by all means, go ahead.

Given names doesn’t mean they are inherent to their existence. You’re also mixing cultures and borders without acknowledging the difference. Makes the whole argument kind of valueless.

Being named after isn’t the same as having the essence of. And if you believe this was manufactured then it’s really dumb to behave that way but go ahead.

COVID-19 could have easily been called Wuhan virus. But given the political climate, that too would have been too charged. In order to focus on the task at hand, the generic COVID-19 was a good call. I suppose Kramer favors calling aids the African virus.

Strawman.

Correct and truthful adjectives aren't always preferred or perfect. But it doesn't make them wrong.

Adjective means unnecessary and chosen by the user to convey something beyond the literal.

By definition used to modify a noun. The noun works on its own.

"Coronavirus" is general, not specific.

Did you forget your proclivity to call it the wuhan virus?

I leaned more toward Chinese CoronaVirus the way the newspapers did in those first few months. Although Wuhan is the place where it was first noticed...so that would be an accurate take also.

No need to use Chinese. It’s inefficient to say and therefore should be stopped like in person learning by your same logic. If you care about consistency of thought at all.

Kramer doesn’t care: https://www.who.int/news/item/08-05-201 ... s-diseases

He purposely mispronounces Kamala Harris’ name and won’t be cowed into political correctness. If colored was good 50 years ago, its good now.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:43 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:38 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:54 am

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:51 am I'm not a teacher apologist by any stretch.

But your jobs aren't your life. If you want to control peoples lives outside their 40 hrs, write it into the contract, make conditions of employment, and pay accordingly.

IMO, this isn't on the teachers. Teachers are given vacation days via their contract. Let 'em use them (and their weekends) however they want.

It's on the school system and union to ensure the teachers are healthy-ish/following protocols while in the building. It's the school and union's job to ensure they are staffed. If the schools/unions can't put on a safe show, shut it down.

Shut down school? Do you have school aged kids while going through this? So no jobs have any different responsibility to society of any kind or just teachers? I don’t know the answer but it seems a bit reckless knowing that it’s ramping up based on what I already noted about our school specifically and then look at UGAs football team. School started early Aug here. If anything happens I think there should be no school
support for said teacher-shes ok her own. It’s her life but if she screws it up by choosing her personal stuff over her job then she gets no benefits, no platitudes, no applause for being an educator. It’s just a paycheck job, nothing more or nothing less under your view. Maybe that’s ok but imagine the teachers screaming for the platitudes and how they’re treated poorly because they do such social justice by teaching children. Cant have it both ways.

No, shut down in-person learning if it's not safe or efficient.

This is life under teachers unions. You likely can't legally penalize her. Want to have more control over that portion of their lives, write it into the next union contract. Want more leverage? It's gotta wait until next year. For the next teacher's contract, negotiate a vaccinated, vs unvaccinated, in-person and remote salary rates. Otherwise, no recourse. But lots of holier-than-thou teachers on Instabook.

Virtual learning is a disaster I can tell you from personal experience. You’re not thinking about the consequences of that making such a suggestion so easily.

I’m point of fact this situation allows extreme measures regardless of Union contract-thats a straw man. Biggie problem is the teachers have the principal by the short hairs over this incorrectly labeled segregation issue.

Turning this into a union issue is insane and lacks empathy for every family who has children in school. Or a completely lack of understanding.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:52 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:47 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:41 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:30 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:26 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:20 am

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:02 am

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:44 am

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 8:28 am Be careful. You are treading awfully close- Viruses shouldn’t be described as “Chinese” lest you want to get your hand slapped…

Or because viruses don’t have nationalities therefore there’s another meaning and politicization of a deadly disease which only stupid people would do.

Not really. Foods have nationalities, dogs, and even other viruses are named after locations and given nationalities.
It's may not be your preferred practice, or preferred by those who are easily offended, but it's quite common for much of the world.
But if it is something that you would like to personally control in your life, to make a difference, by all means, go ahead.

Given names doesn’t mean they are inherent to their existence. You’re also mixing cultures and borders without acknowledging the difference. Makes the whole argument kind of valueless.

Being named after isn’t the same as having the essence of. And if you believe this was manufactured then it’s really dumb to behave that way but go ahead.

COVID-19 could have easily been called Wuhan virus. But given the political climate, that too would have been too charged. In order to focus on the task at hand, the generic COVID-19 was a good call. I suppose Kramer favors calling aids the African virus.

Strawman.

Correct and truthful adjectives aren't always preferred or perfect. But it doesn't make them wrong.

But it doesn’t make them right.

It is "right" if it's correct and truthful in terms of accuracy. Writer has the discretion, even if the reader/listener doesn't think it's necessary.

Absolutely. “Chinese virus” would not have any precedent for naming a novel virus. It wouldn’t be truthful, slick.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:04 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:43 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:38 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:54 am

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:51 am I'm not a teacher apologist by any stretch.

But your jobs aren't your life. If you want to control peoples lives outside their 40 hrs, write it into the contract, make conditions of employment, and pay accordingly.

IMO, this isn't on the teachers. Teachers are given vacation days via their contract. Let 'em use them (and their weekends) however they want.

It's on the school system and union to ensure the teachers are healthy-ish/following protocols while in the building. It's the school and union's job to ensure they are staffed. If the schools/unions can't put on a safe show, shut it down.

Shut down school? Do you have school aged kids while going through this? So no jobs have any different responsibility to society of any kind or just teachers? I don’t know the answer but it seems a bit reckless knowing that it’s ramping up based on what I already noted about our school specifically and then look at UGAs football team. School started early Aug here. If anything happens I think there should be no school
support for said teacher-shes ok her own. It’s her life but if she screws it up by choosing her personal stuff over her job then she gets no benefits, no platitudes, no applause for being an educator. It’s just a paycheck job, nothing more or nothing less under your view. Maybe that’s ok but imagine the teachers screaming for the platitudes and how they’re treated poorly because they do such social justice by teaching children. Cant have it both ways.

No, shut down in-person learning if it's not safe or efficient.

This is life under teachers unions. You likely can't legally penalize her. Want to have more control over that portion of their lives, write it into the next union contract. Want more leverage? It's gotta wait until next year. For the next teacher's contract, negotiate a vaccinated, vs unvaccinated, in-person and remote salary rates. Otherwise, no recourse. But lots of holier-than-thou teachers on Instabook.

Virtual learning is a disaster I can tell you from personal experience. You’re not thinking about the consequences of that making such a suggestion so easily.

I’m point of fact this situation allows extreme measures regardless of Union contract-thats a straw man. Biggie problem is the teachers have the principal by the short hairs over this incorrectly labeled segregation issue.

Turning this into a union issue is insane and lacks empathy for every family who has children in school. Or a completely lack of understanding.

don't understand what you are advocating for here. not taking days off? not going to equestrian events? is there a line?

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:19 pm i saw the posts. i still don't understand what you're advocating for. last i saw, it was set up emergency measures (somehow) and the teacher if there's a problem should receive no support from the school (no benefits. what does no benefits mean?... & anything else on no support?).
what do you see as the issue? the teacher taking the week off or not going from school to home daily or both?

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:10 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:04 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:43 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:38 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:54 am

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:51 am I'm not a teacher apologist by any stretch.

But your jobs aren't your life. If you want to control peoples lives outside their 40 hrs, write it into the contract, make conditions of employment, and pay accordingly.

IMO, this isn't on the teachers. Teachers are given vacation days via their contract. Let 'em use them (and their weekends) however they want.

It's on the school system and union to ensure the teachers are healthy-ish/following protocols while in the building. It's the school and union's job to ensure they are staffed. If the schools/unions can't put on a safe show, shut it down.

Shut down school? Do you have school aged kids while going through this? So no jobs have any different responsibility to society of any kind or just teachers? I don’t know the answer but it seems a bit reckless knowing that it’s ramping up based on what I already noted about our school specifically and then look at UGAs football team. School started early Aug here. If anything happens I think there should be no school
support for said teacher-shes ok her own. It’s her life but if she screws it up by choosing her personal stuff over her job then she gets no benefits, no platitudes, no applause for being an educator. It’s just a paycheck job, nothing more or nothing less under your view. Maybe that’s ok but imagine the teachers screaming for the platitudes and how they’re treated poorly because they do such social justice by teaching children. Cant have it both ways.

No, shut down in-person learning if it's not safe or efficient.

This is life under teachers unions. You likely can't legally penalize her. Want to have more control over that portion of their lives, write it into the next union contract. Want more leverage? It's gotta wait until next year. For the next teacher's contract, negotiate a vaccinated, vs unvaccinated, in-person and remote salary rates. Otherwise, no recourse. But lots of holier-than-thou teachers on Instabook.

Virtual learning is a disaster I can tell you from personal experience. You’re not thinking about the consequences of that making such a suggestion so easily.

I’m point of fact this situation allows extreme measures regardless of Union contract-thats a straw man. Biggie problem is the teachers have the principal by the short hairs over this incorrectly labeled segregation issue.

Turning this into a union issue is insane and lacks empathy for every family who has children in school. Or a completely lack of understanding.

don't understand what you are advocating for here. not taking days off? not going to equestrian events? is there a line?

Situational. Multiple kids and a teacher and her family have contracted Covid within 2-3 weeks of starting school up. I may not be forced to but I’ve canceled personal events and I don’t teach a roomful of kids daily. I don’t think it’s reasonable to get into personal lives but it makes me question if this teacher is any good or cares about her children. It’s not a great decision on her part. I started this with how do people feel about this situation if you’d go back and see the original context. Asking for a normal discussion not some political, junk idiocy about teachers unions and just go back to virtual learning. It’s a question about the decision making of a third grade teacher in this context. That very easily understood if going back to original post on this. It’s only certain folks that want to run in with “freedom! Government and employers can’t do or say anything because the unions suck!” Which is what I got.

There’s plenty of discussions about what behavior is reasonable in this thread this is no different unless one is reading into it for something that isn’t there. I certainly can’t have this discussion with my immediate comment it because it would turn into an emotional mess with everyone’s lives on the line so I ask a forum of people who are either intelligent or think they are. That’s all.

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:30 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:10 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:04 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:43 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:38 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:54 am

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:51 am I'm not a teacher apologist by any stretch.

But your jobs aren't your life. If you want to control peoples lives outside their 40 hrs, write it into the contract, make conditions of employment, and pay accordingly.

IMO, this isn't on the teachers. Teachers are given vacation days via their contract. Let 'em use them (and their weekends) however they want.

It's on the school system and union to ensure the teachers are healthy-ish/following protocols while in the building. It's the school and union's job to ensure they are staffed. If the schools/unions can't put on a safe show, shut it down.

Shut down school? Do you have school aged kids while going through this? So no jobs have any different responsibility to society of any kind or just teachers? I don’t know the answer but it seems a bit reckless knowing that it’s ramping up based on what I already noted about our school specifically and then look at UGAs football team. School started early Aug here. If anything happens I think there should be no school
support for said teacher-shes ok her own. It’s her life but if she screws it up by choosing her personal stuff over her job then she gets no benefits, no platitudes, no applause for being an educator. It’s just a paycheck job, nothing more or nothing less under your view. Maybe that’s ok but imagine the teachers screaming for the platitudes and how they’re treated poorly because they do such social justice by teaching children. Cant have it both ways.

No, shut down in-person learning if it's not safe or efficient.

This is life under teachers unions. You likely can't legally penalize her. Want to have more control over that portion of their lives, write it into the next union contract. Want more leverage? It's gotta wait until next year. For the next teacher's contract, negotiate a vaccinated, vs unvaccinated, in-person and remote salary rates. Otherwise, no recourse. But lots of holier-than-thou teachers on Instabook.

Virtual learning is a disaster I can tell you from personal experience. You’re not thinking about the consequences of that making such a suggestion so easily.

I’m point of fact this situation allows extreme measures regardless of Union contract-thats a straw man. Biggie problem is the teachers have the principal by the short hairs over this incorrectly labeled segregation issue.

Turning this into a union issue is insane and lacks empathy for every family who has children in school. Or a completely lack of understanding.

don't understand what you are advocating for here. not taking days off? not going to equestrian events? is there a line?

Situational. Multiple kids and a teacher and her family have contracted Covid within 2-3 weeks of starting school up. I may not be forced to but I’ve canceled personal events and I don’t teach a roomful of kids daily. I don’t think it’s reasonable to get into personal lives but it makes me question if this teacher is any good or cares about her children. It’s not a great decision on her part. I started this with how do people feel about this situation if you’d go back and see the original context. Asking for a normal discussion not some political, junk idiocy about teachers unions and just go back to virtual learning. It’s a question about the decision making of a third grade teacher in this context. That very easily understood if going back to original post on this. It’s only certain folks that want to run in with “freedom! Government and employers can’t do or say anything because the unions suck!” Which is what I got.

There’s plenty of discussions about what behavior is reasonable in this thread this is no different unless one is reading into it for something that isn’t there. I certainly can’t have this discussion with my immediate comment it because it would turn into an emotional mess with everyone’s lives on the line so I ask a forum of people who are either intelligent or think they are. That’s all.

These unions fight yearly to ensure we can't grade teachers and figure out if they are any good at their jobs OR if they care about children. The mediocre and bad are protected.

In all due respect, this has to come back to the teachers unions. Parents think it's a "kid issue." None of it is. Decisions aren't being made primarily with the kids in mind. It's a big business, big money, and a labor issue first. THEN come the kids.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:27 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:19 pm i saw the posts. i still don't understand what you're advocating for. last i saw, it was set up emergency measures (somehow) and the teacher if there's a problem should receive no support from the school (no benefits. what does no benefits mean?... & anything else on no support?).
what do you see as the issue? the teacher taking the week off or not going from school to home daily or both?

You keep saying I’m advocating but I haven’t done anything like that. I don’t see what you are doing as critical reading. It’s a question to a forum. My replies are coming with specific responses to those follow up comments not the original question posed. I don’t think you are really following. Go ahead and get angry at me and claim I am never understandable now.

I see it as a signal of poor decision making and in this case a person is making a choice of a fun outside activity that will put her at risk over the children in her class. Maybe that’s harsh but as a parent I need to evaluate the quality of the people who spend most awake hours with my children each week. Especially when my daughter desperately wants to test into the “special smart kid group that brother goes to class for once a week” (called Gates down here). Can I trust her to put the kids or her work as a priority.

The benefits should’ve been clear that I’m not talking about codified parts of compensation because that’s what healthcare, PTO, etc is, non cash compensation. I’m talking about suck teachers d**k day and send money in to buy gifts for the teacher and all that pomp and circumstance we bestow, and frankly collectively they really demand, from society for just doing their jobs. No different than police or certain other professions. Is it just a paycheck job or is it something more. Given that we have a growing problem in the first month in the school how much of a signal of the value of the teacher is this choice she’s making worth? That’s what I’m asking. Does it tell me enough to say “f it, write this lady off I have to do more with my daughter this year than others?” Or
Is it not that big of a deal.

Of course I realize now I’m dealing with mostly folks who don’t have legally defined children (under 18) through this and so perhaps pointless to ask a forum like this for their thoughts.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:39 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:27 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:19 pm i saw the posts. i still don't understand what you're advocating for. last i saw, it was set up emergency measures (somehow) and the teacher if there's a problem should receive no support from the school (no benefits. what does no benefits mean?... & anything else on no support?).
what do you see as the issue? the teacher taking the week off or not going from school to home daily or both?

You keep saying I’m advocating but I haven’t done anything like that. I don’t see what you are doing as critical reading. It’s a question to a forum. My replies are coming with specific responses to those follow up comments not the original question posed. I don’t think you are really following. Go ahead and get angry at me and claim I am never understandable now.

I see it as a signal of poor decision making and in this case a person is making a choice of a fun outside activity that will put her at risk over the children in her class. Maybe that’s harsh but as a parent I need to evaluate the quality of the people who spend most awake hours with my children each week. Especially when my daughter desperately wants to test into the “special smart kid group that brother goes to class for once a week” (called Gates down here). Can I trust her to put the kids or her work as a priority.

The benefits should’ve been clear that I’m not talking about codified parts of compensation because that’s what healthcare, PTO, etc is, non cash compensation. I’m talking about suck teachers d**k day and send money in to buy gifts for the teacher and all that pomp and circumstance we bestow, and frankly collectively they really demand, from society for just doing their jobs. No different than police or certain other professions. Is it just a paycheck job or is it something more. Given that we have a growing problem in the first month in the school how much of a signal of the value of the teacher is this choice she’s making worth? That’s what I’m asking. Does it tell me enough to say “f it, write this lady off I have to do more with my daughter this year than others?” Or
Is it not that big of a deal.

Of course I realize now I’m dealing with mostly folks who don’t have legally defined children (under 18) through this and so perhaps pointless to ask a forum like this for their thoughts.

i really wasn't clear what you were talking about as far as repercussions until this last post.
1) i don't have the faintest idea whether that's a risky covid endeavor.
2) taking off a week --- another angle, but you'll see and probably have seen teachers taking days off liberally.
3) either of which depending on your take can put someone in the reasonable category for reactive measures you're talking about and wanting to monitor whether the teach level is what you want.
4) i probably have a higher regard for teachers than you do, generally. from what it sounds like, anyway. but like many things, it can be a barbell, right?
5) if it matters, i've had a kid under 18 thru this. so maybe i'm just not mostly.

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:31 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:30 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:10 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:04 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:43 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:38 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:54 am

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:51 am I'm not a teacher apologist by any stretch.

But your jobs aren't your life. If you want to control peoples lives outside their 40 hrs, write it into the contract, make conditions of employment, and pay accordingly.

IMO, this isn't on the teachers. Teachers are given vacation days via their contract. Let 'em use them (and their weekends) however they want.

It's on the school system and union to ensure the teachers are healthy-ish/following protocols while in the building. It's the school and union's job to ensure they are staffed. If the schools/unions can't put on a safe show, shut it down.

Shut down school? Do you have school aged kids while going through this? So no jobs have any different responsibility to society of any kind or just teachers? I don’t know the answer but it seems a bit reckless knowing that it’s ramping up based on what I already noted about our school specifically and then look at UGAs football team. School started early Aug here. If anything happens I think there should be no school
support for said teacher-shes ok her own. It’s her life but if she screws it up by choosing her personal stuff over her job then she gets no benefits, no platitudes, no applause for being an educator. It’s just a paycheck job, nothing more or nothing less under your view. Maybe that’s ok but imagine the teachers screaming for the platitudes and how they’re treated poorly because they do such social justice by teaching children. Cant have it both ways.

No, shut down in-person learning if it's not safe or efficient.

This is life under teachers unions. You likely can't legally penalize her. Want to have more control over that portion of their lives, write it into the next union contract. Want more leverage? It's gotta wait until next year. For the next teacher's contract, negotiate a vaccinated, vs unvaccinated, in-person and remote salary rates. Otherwise, no recourse. But lots of holier-than-thou teachers on Instabook.

Virtual learning is a disaster I can tell you from personal experience. You’re not thinking about the consequences of that making such a suggestion so easily.

I’m point of fact this situation allows extreme measures regardless of Union contract-thats a straw man. Biggie problem is the teachers have the principal by the short hairs over this incorrectly labeled segregation issue.

Turning this into a union issue is insane and lacks empathy for every family who has children in school. Or a completely lack of understanding.

don't understand what you are advocating for here. not taking days off? not going to equestrian events? is there a line?

Situational. Multiple kids and a teacher and her family have contracted Covid within 2-3 weeks of starting school up. I may not be forced to but I’ve canceled personal events and I don’t teach a roomful of kids daily. I don’t think it’s reasonable to get into personal lives but it makes me question if this teacher is any good or cares about her children. It’s not a great decision on her part. I started this with how do people feel about this situation if you’d go back and see the original context. Asking for a normal discussion not some political, junk idiocy about teachers unions and just go back to virtual learning. It’s a question about the decision making of a third grade teacher in this context. That very easily understood if going back to original post on this. It’s only certain folks that want to run in with “freedom! Government and employers can’t do or say anything because the unions suck!” Which is what I got.

There’s plenty of discussions about what behavior is reasonable in this thread this is no different unless one is reading into it for something that isn’t there. I certainly can’t have this discussion with my immediate comment it because it would turn into an emotional mess with everyone’s lives on the line so I ask a forum of people who are either intelligent or think they are. That’s all.

These unions fight yearly to ensure we can't grade teachers and figure out if they are any good at their jobs OR if they care about children. The mediocre and bad are protected.

In all due respect, this has to come back to the teachers unions. Parents think it's a "kid issue." None of it is. Decisions aren't being made primarily with the kids in mind. It's a big business, big money, and a labor issue first. THEN come the kids.

Appreciate the response. Not sure I agree but then it sounds like you think most teachers are garbage that are protected by unions.

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:50 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:31 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:30 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:10 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:04 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:43 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:38 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:54 am

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:51 am I'm not a teacher apologist by any stretch.

But your jobs aren't your life. If you want to control peoples lives outside their 40 hrs, write it into the contract, make conditions of employment, and pay accordingly.

IMO, this isn't on the teachers. Teachers are given vacation days via their contract. Let 'em use them (and their weekends) however they want.

It's on the school system and union to ensure the teachers are healthy-ish/following protocols while in the building. It's the school and union's job to ensure they are staffed. If the schools/unions can't put on a safe show, shut it down.

Shut down school? Do you have school aged kids while going through this? So no jobs have any different responsibility to society of any kind or just teachers? I don’t know the answer but it seems a bit reckless knowing that it’s ramping up based on what I already noted about our school specifically and then look at UGAs football team. School started early Aug here. If anything happens I think there should be no school
support for said teacher-shes ok her own. It’s her life but if she screws it up by choosing her personal stuff over her job then she gets no benefits, no platitudes, no applause for being an educator. It’s just a paycheck job, nothing more or nothing less under your view. Maybe that’s ok but imagine the teachers screaming for the platitudes and how they’re treated poorly because they do such social justice by teaching children. Cant have it both ways.

No, shut down in-person learning if it's not safe or efficient.

This is life under teachers unions. You likely can't legally penalize her. Want to have more control over that portion of their lives, write it into the next union contract. Want more leverage? It's gotta wait until next year. For the next teacher's contract, negotiate a vaccinated, vs unvaccinated, in-person and remote salary rates. Otherwise, no recourse. But lots of holier-than-thou teachers on Instabook.

Virtual learning is a disaster I can tell you from personal experience. You’re not thinking about the consequences of that making such a suggestion so easily.

I’m point of fact this situation allows extreme measures regardless of Union contract-thats a straw man. Biggie problem is the teachers have the principal by the short hairs over this incorrectly labeled segregation issue.

Turning this into a union issue is insane and lacks empathy for every family who has children in school. Or a completely lack of understanding.

don't understand what you are advocating for here. not taking days off? not going to equestrian events? is there a line?

Situational. Multiple kids and a teacher and her family have contracted Covid within 2-3 weeks of starting school up. I may not be forced to but I’ve canceled personal events and I don’t teach a roomful of kids daily. I don’t think it’s reasonable to get into personal lives but it makes me question if this teacher is any good or cares about her children. It’s not a great decision on her part. I started this with how do people feel about this situation if you’d go back and see the original context. Asking for a normal discussion not some political, junk idiocy about teachers unions and just go back to virtual learning. It’s a question about the decision making of a third grade teacher in this context. That very easily understood if going back to original post on this. It’s only certain folks that want to run in with “freedom! Government and employers can’t do or say anything because the unions suck!” Which is what I got.

There’s plenty of discussions about what behavior is reasonable in this thread this is no different unless one is reading into it for something that isn’t there. I certainly can’t have this discussion with my immediate comment it because it would turn into an emotional mess with everyone’s lives on the line so I ask a forum of people who are either intelligent or think they are. That’s all.

These unions fight yearly to ensure we can't grade teachers and figure out if they are any good at their jobs OR if they care about children. The mediocre and bad are protected.

In all due respect, this has to come back to the teachers unions. Parents think it's a "kid issue." None of it is. Decisions aren't being made primarily with the kids in mind. It's a big business, big money, and a labor issue first. THEN come the kids.

Appreciate the response. Not sure I agree but then it sounds like you think most teachers are garbage that are protected by unions.

I wouldn't say garbage. Disaffected, uninspired, and going through the motions? Yes.

(In full disclosure, I am married to a teacher that was named national teacher of the year, two years ago... )

I think many people get into teaching with good intentions. But like many professions, I do think, many teachers are selfish and lazy. And meh. And beat down by parents. And admin. And their unions telling them how to do their jobs. And tired from going unappreciated. And then they realize a few years in that no matter how much or little they work, they still get their same step and COLA. That often saps motivation for people. The more experienced ones are often bored because they have done the same thing for many years. Those great ones are the exception, not the rule.

Looking back to your own schooling, no matter where you went, how many mediocre teachers did you have on any given year? How many really bad ones? How many great teachers did you get? Most are lucky to get a great one each year and avoid that stinker. The rest fall right into that meaty part of the curve.

Not showing off, not falling behind. A solid "C " Average.

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:50 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:31 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:30 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:10 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:04 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:43 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:38 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:54 am

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:51 am I'm not a teacher apologist by any stretch.

But your jobs aren't your life. If you want to control peoples lives outside their 40 hrs, write it into the contract, make conditions of employment, and pay accordingly.

IMO, this isn't on the teachers. Teachers are given vacation days via their contract. Let 'em use them (and their weekends) however they want.

It's on the school system and union to ensure the teachers are healthy-ish/following protocols while in the building. It's the school and union's job to ensure they are staffed. If the schools/unions can't put on a safe show, shut it down.

Shut down school? Do you have school aged kids while going through this? So no jobs have any different responsibility to society of any kind or just teachers? I don’t know the answer but it seems a bit reckless knowing that it’s ramping up based on what I already noted about our school specifically and then look at UGAs football team. School started early Aug here. If anything happens I think there should be no school
support for said teacher-shes ok her own. It’s her life but if she screws it up by choosing her personal stuff over her job then she gets no benefits, no platitudes, no applause for being an educator. It’s just a paycheck job, nothing more or nothing less under your view. Maybe that’s ok but imagine the teachers screaming for the platitudes and how they’re treated poorly because they do such social justice by teaching children. Cant have it both ways.

No, shut down in-person learning if it's not safe or efficient.

This is life under teachers unions. You likely can't legally penalize her. Want to have more control over that portion of their lives, write it into the next union contract. Want more leverage? It's gotta wait until next year. For the next teacher's contract, negotiate a vaccinated, vs unvaccinated, in-person and remote salary rates. Otherwise, no recourse. But lots of holier-than-thou teachers on Instabook.

Virtual learning is a disaster I can tell you from personal experience. You’re not thinking about the consequences of that making such a suggestion so easily.

I’m point of fact this situation allows extreme measures regardless of Union contract-thats a straw man. Biggie problem is the teachers have the principal by the short hairs over this incorrectly labeled segregation issue.

Turning this into a union issue is insane and lacks empathy for every family who has children in school. Or a completely lack of understanding.

don't understand what you are advocating for here. not taking days off? not going to equestrian events? is there a line?

Situational. Multiple kids and a teacher and her family have contracted Covid within 2-3 weeks of starting school up. I may not be forced to but I’ve canceled personal events and I don’t teach a roomful of kids daily. I don’t think it’s reasonable to get into personal lives but it makes me question if this teacher is any good or cares about her children. It’s not a great decision on her part. I started this with how do people feel about this situation if you’d go back and see the original context. Asking for a normal discussion not some political, junk idiocy about teachers unions and just go back to virtual learning. It’s a question about the decision making of a third grade teacher in this context. That very easily understood if going back to original post on this. It’s only certain folks that want to run in with “freedom! Government and employers can’t do or say anything because the unions suck!” Which is what I got.

There’s plenty of discussions about what behavior is reasonable in this thread this is no different unless one is reading into it for something that isn’t there. I certainly can’t have this discussion with my immediate comment it because it would turn into an emotional mess with everyone’s lives on the line so I ask a forum of people who are either intelligent or think they are. That’s all.

These unions fight yearly to ensure we can't grade teachers and figure out if they are any good at their jobs OR if they care about children. The mediocre and bad are protected.

In all due respect, this has to come back to the teachers unions. Parents think it's a "kid issue." None of it is. Decisions aren't being made primarily with the kids in mind. It's a big business, big money, and a labor issue first. THEN come the kids.

Appreciate the response. Not sure I agree but then it sounds like you think most teachers are garbage that are protected by unions.

I wouldn't say garbage. Disaffected, uninspired, and going through the motions? Yes.

(In full disclosure, I am married to a teacher that was named national teacher of the year, two years ago... )

I think many people get into teaching with good intentions. But like many professions, I do think, many teachers are selfish and lazy. And meh. And beat down by parents. And admin. And their unions telling them how to do their jobs. And tired from going unappreciated. And then they realize a few years in that no matter how much or little they work, they still get their same step and COLA. That often saps motivation for people. The more experienced ones are often bored because they have done the same thing for many years. Those great ones are the exception, not the rule.

Looking back to your own schooling, no matter where you went, how many mediocre teachers did you have on any given year? How many really bad ones? How many great teachers did you get? Most are lucky to get a great one each year and avoid that stinker. The rest fall right into that meaty part of the curve.

Not showing off, not falling behind. A solid "C " Average.

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:50 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:31 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:30 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:10 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:04 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:43 pm

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 12:38 pm

Farfromgeneva wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:54 am

kramerica.inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:51 am I'm not a teacher apologist by any stretch.

But your jobs aren't your life. If you want to control peoples lives outside their 40 hrs, write it into the contract, make conditions of employment, and pay accordingly.

IMO, this isn't on the teachers. Teachers are given vacation days via their contract. Let 'em use them (and their weekends) however they want.

It's on the school system and union to ensure the teachers are healthy-ish/following protocols while in the building. It's the school and union's job to ensure they are staffed. If the schools/unions can't put on a safe show, shut it down.

Shut down school? Do you have school aged kids while going through this? So no jobs have any different responsibility to society of any kind or just teachers? I don’t know the answer but it seems a bit reckless knowing that it’s ramping up based on what I already noted about our school specifically and then look at UGAs football team. School started early Aug here. If anything happens I think there should be no school
support for said teacher-shes ok her own. It’s her life but if she screws it up by choosing her personal stuff over her job then she gets no benefits, no platitudes, no applause for being an educator. It’s just a paycheck job, nothing more or nothing less under your view. Maybe that’s ok but imagine the teachers screaming for the platitudes and how they’re treated poorly because they do such social justice by teaching children. Cant have it both ways.

No, shut down in-person learning if it's not safe or efficient.

This is life under teachers unions. You likely can't legally penalize her. Want to have more control over that portion of their lives, write it into the next union contract. Want more leverage? It's gotta wait until next year. For the next teacher's contract, negotiate a vaccinated, vs unvaccinated, in-person and remote salary rates. Otherwise, no recourse. But lots of holier-than-thou teachers on Instabook.

Virtual learning is a disaster I can tell you from personal experience. You’re not thinking about the consequences of that making such a suggestion so easily.

I’m point of fact this situation allows extreme measures regardless of Union contract-thats a straw man. Biggie problem is the teachers have the principal by the short hairs over this incorrectly labeled segregation issue.

Turning this into a union issue is insane and lacks empathy for every family who has children in school. Or a completely lack of understanding.

don't understand what you are advocating for here. not taking days off? not going to equestrian events? is there a line?

Situational. Multiple kids and a teacher and her family have contracted Covid within 2-3 weeks of starting school up. I may not be forced to but I’ve canceled personal events and I don’t teach a roomful of kids daily. I don’t think it’s reasonable to get into personal lives but it makes me question if this teacher is any good or cares about her children. It’s not a great decision on her part. I started this with how do people feel about this situation if you’d go back and see the original context. Asking for a normal discussion not some political, junk idiocy about teachers unions and just go back to virtual learning. It’s a question about the decision making of a third grade teacher in this context. That very easily understood if going back to original post on this. It’s only certain folks that want to run in with “freedom! Government and employers can’t do or say anything because the unions suck!” Which is what I got.

There’s plenty of discussions about what behavior is reasonable in this thread this is no different unless one is reading into it for something that isn’t there. I certainly can’t have this discussion with my immediate comment it because it would turn into an emotional mess with everyone’s lives on the line so I ask a forum of people who are either intelligent or think they are. That’s all.

These unions fight yearly to ensure we can't grade teachers and figure out if they are any good at their jobs OR if they care about children. The mediocre and bad are protected.

In all due respect, this has to come back to the teachers unions. Parents think it's a "kid issue." None of it is. Decisions aren't being made primarily with the kids in mind. It's a big business, big money, and a labor issue first. THEN come the kids.

Appreciate the response. Not sure I agree but then it sounds like you think most teachers are garbage that are protected by unions.

I wouldn't say garbage. Disaffected, uninspired, and going through the motions? Yes.

(In full disclosure, I am married to a teacher that was named national teacher of the year, two years ago... )

I think many people get into teaching with good intentions. But like many professions, I do think, many teachers are selfish and lazy. And meh. And beat down by parents. And admin. And their unions telling them how to do their jobs. And tired from going unappreciated. And then they realize a few years in that no matter how much or little they work, they still get their same step and COLA. That often saps motivation for people. The more experienced ones are often bored because they have done the same thing for many years. Those great ones are the exception, not the rule.

Looking back to your own schooling, no matter where you went, how many mediocre teachers did you have on any given year? How many really bad ones? How many great teachers did you get? Most are lucky to get a great one each year and avoid that stinker. The rest fall right into that meaty part of the curve.

Not showing off, not falling behind. A solid "C " Average.