Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:11 pm
I gotta admit I overestimated how much respect Putin had for Biden.
I didn’t think it was much.
Turned out it was none.
You lost me. What is it that you think trump would have done had Putin invaded?
Trump, like Obama, thought Ukraine isn’t our problem.
(It’s not)
Putin is the consumate opportunist. Trump and BHO are both irrelevant in the discussion. It is true that BHO admonished his challenger when questioned about the Russian threat... What were those words BHO lambasted Mittens with... The 80s called Mittens, they want their foreign policy back. None of the FLP turnips on this forum that were present at that time did nothing but laugh at POTUS Obama pitch slapping Mittens about the Russian threat. It ain't so funny now is it. To this day I wish Mittens had the balls to call BHO out. The only time Mittens had balls was when he called out trump.. he even sounded angry when doing so. Too late Mittens to prove you have balls. You were a day late and a dollar short there.
I am sure Mittens and Obama care what you think as they review their quarterly statements.
Mittens has an argument to make.. he just doesn't have the balls to make it. He tried to warn BHO and was pitch slapped and acted like a scolded little puppy. I wonder what Mittens has to say about this Russian aggression. He has every right to rub BHOs nose in this horrible underestimation his administration made regarding Russia and Putin. I guess that reset button just didn't work the way the queen of evil anticipated.
Send him an email…..stop chitting your pants over stuff you can’t control.
Putin saw opportunity when the first person from the United States he met from the Biden administration was John F'n Kerry. That showed how serious we were about our relationship. I wonder if Putin was disappointed James Taylor didn't come along and play some Sweet Baby Vladimir.
In the thousands of tone-deaf lib comments today with war raging, John Kerry took the cake.
John Kerry is slammed for saying he hopes Putin stays 'on track' to fight CLIMATE CHANGE during Ukraine invasion
Kerry told BBC Arabic that the invasion may make people 'lose focus'
He reminded Putin that '66 percent of the nation' used to be 'over frozen land'
'Now it's thawing and his infrastructure is at risk', Biden's climate envoy added
Interview aired as Russia launched an all-out assault on Ukraine from all sides
Such shallow chirping here from our trumpist friends...what on earth do you people think? You seriously think that none of this would have happened if Cheeto was in the White House? That's nothing but 100% numbnuttery. Paulie Manafort for Ukranian Presisdent? Maybe Comrade Trump will put up a Mar-A-Lago East next to Vlad's new Billion Dollar Dacha??
Will Ukranian Nationalists lay down their weapons...their opposition...and put up with a Russian Puppet Regime until such time that the international sanctions regime begin to squeeze Russia in an unbearable manner??
Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:11 pm
I gotta admit I overestimated how much respect Putin had for Biden.
I didn’t think it was much.
Turned out it was none.
You lost me. What is it that you think trump would have done had Putin invaded?
Trump, like Obama, thought Ukraine isn’t our problem.
(It’s not)
Putin is the consumate opportunist. Trump and BHO are both irrelevant in the discussion. It is true that BHO admonished his challenger when questioned about the Russian threat... What were those words BHO lambasted Mittens with... The 80s called Mittens, they want their foreign policy back. None of the FLP turnips on this forum that were present at that time did nothing but laugh at POTUS Obama pitch slapping Mittens about the Russian threat. It ain't so funny now is it? To this day I wish Mittens had the balls to call BHO out. The only time Mittens had balls was when he called out trump.. he even sounded angry when doing so. Too late Mittens to prove you have balls. You were a day late and a dollar short there. So do you liberals here believe BHO was correct in his analysis of Putin's threat to peace
What Obama said was that Putin wasn’t our #1 threat. He was right then, and he’s right now.
We aren’t responsible for Ukraine, cradle. Trump agreed, too.
And you don’t want to go to war over this, right? None of us do. So…Putin invades, and his Economy is hammered. That’s it on our end.
Video is everywhere now. Best of luck to Putin in controlling all that in his favor ….
Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:11 pm
I gotta admit I overestimated how much respect Putin had for Biden.
I didn’t think it was much.
Turned out it was none.
You lost me. What is it that you think trump would have done had Putin invaded?
Trump, like Obama, thought Ukraine isn’t our problem.
(It’s not)
Putin is the consumate opportunist. Trump and BHO are both irrelevant in the discussion. It is true that BHO admonished his challenger when questioned about the Russian threat... What were those words BHO lambasted Mittens with... The 80s called Mittens, they want their foreign policy back. None of the FLP turnips on this forum that were present at that time did nothing but laugh at POTUS Obama pitch slapping Mittens about the Russian threat. It ain't so funny now is it. To this day I wish Mittens had the balls to call BHO out. The only time Mittens had balls was when he called out trump.. he even sounded angry when doing so. Too late Mittens to prove you have balls. You were a day late and a dollar short there.
I am sure Mittens and Obama care what you think as they review their quarterly statements.
Mittens has an argument to make.. he just doesn't have the balls to make it. He tried to warn BHO and was pitch slapped and acted like a scolded little puppy. I wonder what Mittens has to say about this Russian aggression. He has every right to rub BHOs nose in this horrible underestimation his administration made regarding Russia and Putin. I guess that reset button just didn't work the way the queen of evil anticipated.
Send him an email…..stop chitting your pants over stuff you can’t control.
Putin saw opportunity when the first person from the United States he met from the Biden administration was John F'n Kerry. That showed how serious we were about our relationship. I wonder if Putin was disappointed James Taylor didn't come along and play some Sweet Baby Vladimir.
Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:40 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:40 pm
by a fan
Russia just banned short selling on their market
Enjoy the ride, Putin…
Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:41 pm
by jhu72
A number of reports that the Russians have occupied Chernobyl. It is along the invasion path to Kyiv, within a few miles of the Belarus border. Not clear whether it was defended by the Ukrainian's
Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:01 am
Trump was ahead of the game.
He told Germany to start to contribute their share for NATO and Europe to get off Russian oil and gas 3 years ago.
The man is a genius .
Smarter that the progressive and the neocon swamp.
We need him back now.
I think Putin is probably too busy now for Trump to suck his dick.
Yes Putin was sucking Trumps dick
Now he’s f*cking Joes Butt.
Essexfenwick and jhu72: If you want to talk like this, go to Hamsterdam. Otherwise, you'll be going to the Penalty Box. Especially during the season...
Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:01 am
Trump was ahead of the game.
He told Germany to start to contribute their share for NATO and Europe to get off Russian oil and gas 3 years ago.
The man is a genius .
Smarter that the progressive and the neocon swamp.
We need him back now.
I think Putin is probably too busy now for Trump to suck his dick.
Yes Putin was sucking Trumps dick
Now he’s f*cking Joes Butt.
Essexfenwick and jhu72: If you want to talk like this, go to Hamsterdam. Otherwise, you'll be going to the Penalty Box. Especially during the season...
Got it. My first time on this board. Once I got the blue attack I assumed it was gloves off on this board so I pounded my opponent into a stain.
tech37 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:56 am
Now we know Putin wasn't bluffing. Biden and his people need to tread very very lightly... do not escalate this mess.
It's going to be hard not to escalate and still be effective. As you know, we are dealing with the invasion of a sovereign nation, under circumstances that are almost entirely cooked up by Putin. So:
Support Ukraine with war materiale, immediately, everything but soldiers in theatre. All systems, weapons, intel, counter-cyber, etc.
Bankrupt Putin's war machine. We have to freeze and seize Russian finances, including in particular those controlled by Putin and the oligarchs who support him;
Remove Russia from, or isolate it from, every international organization and financial institution.
Recall all embassy personnel and ambassadors from Russia. There is no point in talking. The unified message has to cease fire, remove your troops and materiale, or be isolated from the world community.
Remove and counter Russian propaganda. Actually shut down Russian media in the West.
Boycott -- as advertisers and viewers -- American outlets and political actors that support Putin.
Work with other nations, including OPEC countries, to cease purchases of Russian oil and gas. Induce American and Middle Eastern producers to increase production. Do not allow Putin the benefit of rising oil prices that his war ensured.
I am sure there are more. We are not toothless, even without the commitment of human assets.
Oh, and move the UEFA Champions League Final out of St. Petersburg.
And stay off pornhub and redtube which all well covered by Russian influences!
tech37 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:56 am
Now we know Putin wasn't bluffing. Biden and his people need to tread very very lightly... do not escalate this mess.
It's going to be hard not to escalate and still be effective. As you know, we are dealing with the invasion of a sovereign nation, under circumstances that are almost entirely cooked up by Putin. So:
Support Ukraine with war materiale, immediately, everything but soldiers in theatre. All systems, weapons, intel, counter-cyber, etc.
Bankrupt Putin's war machine. We have to freeze and seize Russian finances, including in particular those controlled by Putin and the oligarchs who support him;
Remove Russia from, or isolate it from, every international organization and financial institution.
Recall all embassy personnel and ambassadors from Russia. There is no point in talking. The unified message has to cease fire, remove your troops and materiale, or be isolated from the world community.
Remove and counter Russian propaganda. Actually shut down Russian media in the West.
Boycott -- as advertisers and viewers -- American outlets and political actors that support Putin.
Work with other nations, including OPEC countries, to cease purchases of Russian oil and gas. Induce American and Middle Eastern producers to increase production. Do not allow Putin the benefit of rising oil prices that his war ensured.
I am sure there are more. We are not toothless, even without the commitment of human assets.
Oh, and move the UEFA Champions League Final out of St. Petersburg.
And stay off pornhub and redtube which all well covered by Russian influences!
old salt wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:11 pm
Based on the limited info reported to this point --
This does not look like shock & awe. The Russians seem to be concentrating on military targets. That makes sense, to minimize damage & civilian casualties, if they want to force a regime change & then be able to rule the population & not devastate the physical infrastructure & civil order.
They are not terrorizing the public by taking out phones & the elec grid. They want to preserve as much as they can to annex it, have a compliant population & limit an insurrection. This is not to minimize those who have been killed. They just don't seem to be targeting the civilian population or generating mass casualties. It's a pragmatic strategy, not done for humane reasons.
It's a "benevolent" invasion then...what a genius.
I say again -- It's a pragmatic strategy, not done for humane reasons. It could be much more brutal.
Putin hopes to annex as much of Ukraine as he can, with limited damage & post-conflict resistance.
He wants the EUros to keep buying his gas & oil, with limited or no disruption.
Essexfenwick wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 1:11 pm
I gotta admit I overestimated how much respect Putin had for Biden.
I didn’t think it was much.
Turned out it was none.
You lost me. What is it that you think trump would have done had Putin invaded?
Trump, like Obama, thought Ukraine isn’t our problem.
(It’s not)
Putin is the consumate opportunist. Trump and BHO are both irrelevant in the discussion. It is true that BHO admonished his challenger when questioned about the Russian threat... What were those words BHO lambasted Mittens with... The 80s called Mittens, they want their foreign policy back. None of the FLP turnips on this forum that were present at that time did nothing but laugh at POTUS Obama pitch slapping Mittens about the Russian threat. It ain't so funny now is it? To this day I wish Mittens had the balls to call BHO out. The only time Mittens had balls was when he called out trump.. he even sounded angry when doing so. Too late Mittens to prove you have balls. You were a day late and a dollar short there. So do you liberals here believe BHO was correct in his analysis of Putin's threat to peace
What Obama said was that Putin wasn’t our #1 threat. He was right then, and he’s right now.
We aren’t responsible for Ukraine, cradle. Trump agreed, too.
And you don’t want to go to war over this, right? None of us do. So…Putin invades, and his Economy is hammered. That’s it on our end.
Video is everywhere now. Best of luck to Putin in controlling all that in his favor ….
US military estimates it would take 3.5 to 4 million man invasion force to occupy all of Ukraine. Putin is short by about a factor of 20. Given what looks like the heaviest fighting, the east, the moves in the west (Lviv, etc.) are feints most likely. At the end of the day, Ukrainian resistance will determine the outcome. The US forces are going to Poland and Lithuanian to keep the Konigsberg corridor closed.
Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 3:05 pm
by dislaxxic
old salt wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:54 pmPutin hopes to annex as much of Ukraine as he can, with limited damage & post-conflict resistance.
He wants the EUros to keep buying his gas & oil, with limited or no disruption.
...and you're NOT OK with that, right?
..
Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 3:06 pm
by a fan
old salt wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:54 pm
Putin hopes to annex as much of Ukraine as he can, with limited damage & post-conflict resistance.
He wants the EUros to keep buying his gas & oil, with limited or no disruption.
He can’t do that, imho.
So long as the specter of Putin grabbing more of Ukraine looms? Both the Russian and Ukrainian economies will be in a holding pattern. Putin can’t “get a little bit pregnant” here without severe damage.
For years, Donald Trump has incessantly railed against what he called “the Russia hoax” and denied Vladimir Putin’s attack on the United States. Yet the real Russia con was that very dismissal. And this fraud, perpetuated by Trump, his conservative minions, top Republicans, Fox, and other right-wing media, has led to Putin’s illegal invasion of Ukraine.
There are at least two ways that happened, and both originate with the Trump cult in 2016 (and onward) refusing to acknowledge Moscow’s assault on American democracy. Though numerous investigations concluded that Russia mounted a hack-and-dump operation and a covert social media campaign to sow political discord in the United States, cripple the campaign of Hillary Clinton, and help Trump win the presidency, Trump and his allies claimed at the time (and since) that no such thing had ever occurred—or they belittled its impact.
The reason was obvious: They placed political interests—electing Trump—over the national interest. Any acknowledgment of Putin’s clandestine efforts to assist Trump—and the Trump campaign had been privately informed in June 2016 that the Kremlin intended to secretly help it—could have hurt Trump during the campaign. So Trump howled there was no Russia attack, which transformed any discussion of the ongoing Russian attack into a partisan fight, thus preventing Republicans from joining the Obama administration effort to counter Putin. This provided cover for Putin, making it easier for him to get away with his assault on the United States.
Imagine how this looked to Putin. He had helped bring about a regime change in the most powerful nation of the world, installing in office an utterly inexperienced fellow who had been heaping praise on the corrupt Russian autocrat for years. What a victory! On election night 2016, an employee of Russia’s Internet Research Agency, which had been a key part of the Kremlin operation, sent a message reporting that cyber operatives there “uncorked a tiny bottle of champagne” when they found out Trump had won and “uttered almost in unison: ‘We made America great.’” At a celebration in Moscow, Dmitry Drobnitsky, a writer for pro-Kremlin outlets, exclaimed, “This is the real reset of the Western world.”
Pulling off this operation could only have emboldened Putin. Though he was hit with moderate sanctions afterward, the real economic or political cost of his skulduggery was negligible. For four years, Putin had an American president who not only didn’t challenge him, but also frayed US relations with European nations and denigrated NATO, a key strategic aim of Putin. As the first Trump impeachment illustrated, Trump even withheld military assistance from Ukraine to pressure President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to manufacture dirt on Joe Biden. Had Hillary Clinton been inaugurated president in 2017, would US policy have focused more on constraining Putin? Probably. Would it have succeeded in doing so and made the invasion of Ukraine less likely? That’s unknowable. But Trump and his fellow Russia hoax hoaxers afforded Putin running room that he has used to race into Ukraine.
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Re: All Things Russia & Ukraine
Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 3:09 pm
by a fan
jhu72 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:59 pm
US military estimates it would take 3.5 to 4 million man invasion force to occupy all of Ukraine. Putin is short by about a factor of 20. Given what looks like the heaviest fighting, the east, the moves in the west (Lviv, etc.) are feints most likely. At the end of the day, Ukrainian resistance will determine the outcome. The US forces are going to Poland and Lithuanian to keep the Konigsberg corridor closed.
old salt wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:54 pmPutin hopes to annex as much of Ukraine as he can, with limited damage & post-conflict resistance.
He wants the EUros to keep buying his gas & oil, with limited or no disruption.
...and you're NOT OK with that, right?
I'm just telling you what I see, so far. I'm relieved that the initial strikes are not as brutal as they could be, but this thing is just getting started.
I want this to end asap, with minimum loss of life & before it forces our NATO allies to have to make difficult decisions.
Despite the rah rah -- this has not made NATO stronger or more committed. They are just more afraid.
