Is America a racist nation?

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Hmm. Now, let’s suppose he were a black athlete self-medicating with some marijuana…

“The NFL says Aaron Rodgers will not face any penalties for a series of ayahuasca trips he took in the 2020 and 2022 offseasons.

The Green Bay Packers quarterback took the hallucinogen during two separate retreats in Peru. Many ayahuasca users say the drug helps with personal insight and growth. The drug’s psychoactive component, DMT, is illegal in the US but NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy said on Monday that it wouldn’t trigger a positive test result on the league’s substance abuse policy. The same day Packers coach Matt LaFleur was asked if he was concerned that Rodgers could face a suspension. “I really haven’t given it much thought at all,” he replied.”

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/ ... ay-packers
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Now let's suppose it was Steph Curry...
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HooDat wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:56 pm Now let's suppose it was Steph Curry...
NBA has been more open minded than the “protect the shield” NFL for a long time. Adam Silver is unlike any NFL commissioner.
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:00 pm
HooDat wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:56 pm Now let's suppose it was Steph Curry...
NBA has been more open minded than the “protect the shield” NFL for a long time. Adam Silver is unlike any NFL commissioner.
my point was that I think the looking the other way is due to Roger's standing in the NFL not his skin color.
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HooDat wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:13 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:00 pm
HooDat wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:56 pm Now let's suppose it was Steph Curry...
NBA has been more open minded than the “protect the shield” NFL for a long time. Adam Silver is unlike any NFL commissioner.
my point was that I think the looking the other way is due to Roger's standing in the NFL not his skin color.
Oh I got it. Why curry and not Durant or lebron though? Make the distinction more apparent.
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:07 pm
HooDat wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:13 pm
Farfromgeneva wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:00 pm
HooDat wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:56 pm Now let's suppose it was Steph Curry...
NBA has been more open minded than the “protect the shield” NFL for a long time. Adam Silver is unlike any NFL commissioner.
my point was that I think the looking the other way is due to Roger's standing in the NFL not his skin color.
Oh I got it. Why curry and not Durant or lebron though? Make the distinction more apparent.
:lol: Curry was the fist big name that came to mind
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Nov '22 is three months away, how soon until we start hearing about the biggest caravan ever?
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The right isn't making this stuff up: https://www.leftvoice.org/new-migrant-c ... e-borders/

But here's a more balanced view: https://www.wola.org/2022/06/weekly-u-s ... -lawsuits/
“CARAVAN” DEPARTS TAPACHULA
Thousands of migrants departed Mexico’s southern border-zone city of Tapachula, Chiapas, on June 6. This latest attempt to form a “caravan” is already dwindling as Mexico’s government engages in negotiations and prohibits participants from boarding vehicles.

Estimates of this caravan’s size have varied widely. Its principal organizer, Luis García Villagrán of the Mexican NGO Center for Human Dignity, who said it was deliberately timed to coincide with the Summit of the Americas, foresaw 15,000 participants, a number that appeared in widely shared initial reporting. As the group departed Tapachula, Reuters estimated “at least 6,000 people.” By June 7, Villagrán told reporters that numbers had dropped to between 5,000 and 8,000.

According to the Guardian, Villagrán said that 70 percent of caravan participants are women and children. While it’s not clear that this was accurate, a significant portion do appear to be neither male nor adult.

It is widely reported, though, that a majority of participants are from Venezuela—80 percent, estimates veteran Chiapas-based reporter Isaín Mandujano—with Central Americans, Haitians, Cubans, and citizens of African countries making up most of the rest. As they walked up Chiapas’s Pacific coastal highway leading out of Tapachula, some carried Venezuelan flags, sang Venezuela’s national anthem, or chanted insults aimed at the country’s authoritarian leader, Nicolás Maduro.

A large presence of Venezuelans in Tapachula is new. Until recently, Mexico did not require visas of visiting citizens of Venezuela, so most who intended to migrate to the U.S. border flew to Mexico City or Cancún, then traveled by bus with valid visas in their passports. That ended on January 21, when Mexico began requiring visas of visiting Venezuelans, at the strong suggestion of the U.S. government after encounters with Venezuelan citizens at the U.S.-Mexico border increased to over 20,000 per month.

Arrivals of Venezuelan citizens at the U.S. border soon plummeted—U.S. authorities encountered 4,103 in April—but Venezuelans determined to migrate northward have begun traveling by land in greater numbers. In the first five months of 2022, more than half of migrants walking through Panama’s treacherous Darién Gap jungles (16,720 out of 32,797 people) have been Venezuelan. In all of 2021, 2,821 Venezuelans took this route, and just 50 in 2020.

When Venezuelans without visas arrive by land in southern Mexico, they face the same choices as other undocumented migrants, most of whom end up in Tapachula: risk capture, detention, or deportation, or seek asylum in Mexico’s overburdened system. Almost 33,000 people applied for asylum in Tapachula during the first 5 months of 2022, and 89,604 applied in 2021. (Tapachula’s population is about 350,000.)

(While many can claim government persecution, even Venezuelan citizens who do not qualify for asylum are difficult to deport or remove. The U.S. government, which has sought to use Title 42 robustly to expel as many migrants as possible regardless of asylum needs, has expelled 1 percent of the Venezuelan migrants it has encountered, and most of those probably had some legal status that made possible their expulsion to Mexico.)

According to EFE, García Villagrán estimated that 45,000 migrants are currently stuck in Tapachula awaiting resolution of their asylum applications. Normally, Mexico requires asylum applicants to remain in the state where they first applied, though cases can occasionally be transferred to other states.

This is a hardship in Tapachula, an economically struggling city in Chiapas, Mexico’s poorest state. With COMAR barely able to keep up, the agency’s Tapachula office is now scheduling initial asylum application appointments for August, and deciding cases many months after that. This leaves most migrants with no viable way to support themselves while they await decisions. (In early June, both WOLA and Human Rights Watch published detailed, vividly documented field research reports about the plight of migrants stuck in Tapachula.)

To some extent, the “caravan”—and several that have come before it—is a reaction to that. Though they continue to get a lot of attention in U.S. media, no caravan has arrived intact at the U.S.-Mexico border since late 2018. Mexico and Guatemala have dispersed them shortly after they’ve formed, either by blocking them through at times violent operations, by prohibiting participants from boarding vehicles, or by agreeing to allow marchers to transfer their asylum applications to other Mexican states—usually states with greater employment opportunities but still distant from the U.S. border. A few hundred participants in a late 2021 caravan walked all the way from Tapachula to Mexico City, roughly one third of the distance to the U.S. border, but dispersed after that.

The current caravan seems to be dividing. By June 8 its participants had traveled about 25 miles from Tapachula to the town of Huixtla, Chiapas, where Mexico’s National Migration Institute (INM) apparently offered to provide documents to those who desist. Mandujano reported that the document on offer is the Humanitarian Visitors Card (Tarjeta de Visitante por Razones Humanitarias, TVRH), which allows migrants to stay in the country for a year and work. Although humanitarian visas should be provided to asylum seekers while their cases are processed, victims or witnesses of crime in Mexico, children, and for other humanitarian or public interest reasons, the U.S. government has often objected to Mexico’s use of this visa because many who receive it go directly to the U.S. border.

It is not clear how many TVRHs the Mexican government is issuing to caravan participants. García Villagrán told EFE that “INM Commissioner Francisco Garduño called him and pledged to assist all of the members of the caravan with their immigration proceedings.” Over 2,100 had been issued by June 8.

The offer has apparently split or reduced the caravan. On June 9, about 2,000 migrants, mainly younger males, walked north from Huixtla, according to the Associated Press, “but throngs of families with children decided to wait in Huixtla to see if they could get some sort of temporary exit visa.”

In the United States, some are watching closely. Assistant Secretary of State Brian Nichols, according to EFE, warned caravan participants that “the U.S. border is not open… what I say to these people is not to risk their lives on a long journey that will not result in entry into the United States.” The caravan has been featured on the social media accounts of immigration and border hardliners like Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tennessee), and the FOX News cable network.
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And why will this time be different?

“The influence of climate change on civil conflict and societal instability in the premodern world is a subject of much debate, in part because of the limited temporal or disciplinary scope of case studies. We present a transdisciplinary case study that combines archeological, historical, and paleoclimate datasets to explore the dynamic, shifting relationships among climate change, civil conflict, and political collapse at Mayapan, the largest Postclassic Maya capital of the Yucatán Peninsula in the thirteenth and fourteenth centuries CE. Multiple data sources indicate that civil conflict increased significantly and generalized linear modeling correlates strife in the city with drought conditions between 1400 and 1450 cal. CE. We argue that prolonged drought escalated rival factional tensions, but subsequent adaptations reveal regional-scale resiliency, ensuring that Maya political and economic structures endured until European contact in the early sixteenth century CE.”

So, will there be adaptations? How long will these take? At what cost (blood and treasure)?

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-31522-x
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 9:24 pm Driving while black:

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1562545808918327298
Why insert race in to this? How are you certain the cop knew the race of the driver, for the mile he persued the vehicle 'with hazards flashing'? And no, I am not defending the cop AT ALL, the cop was a jerk and apparently he was being pushed out anyway b/c he is a bad apple.
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youthathletics wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 7:29 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 9:24 pm Driving while black:

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1562545808918327298
Why insert race in to this? How are you certain the cop knew the race of the driver, for the mile he persued the vehicle 'with hazards flashing'? And no, I am not defending the cop AT ALL, the cop was a jerk and apparently he was being pushed out anyway b/c he is a bad apple.
My guess is that race and gender had a lot, maybe everything, to do with this policeman's conduct. The manner in which he diminishes her and speaks to her isn't the same way he might've spoken to you or me. Resisting the likelihood that this treatment had its foundation in race seems off base to me.

The question it raises, like other events of this kind: where are we getting our cops from, and how did this guy become a cop?
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youthathletics wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 7:29 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 9:24 pm Driving while black:

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1562545808918327298
Why insert race in to this? How are you certain the cop knew the race of the driver, for the mile he persued the vehicle 'with hazards flashing'? And no, I am not defending the cop AT ALL, the cop was a jerk and apparently he was being pushed out anyway b/c he is a bad apple.
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My neighbor asked me if I wanted her to water my flowers while we were vacationing…I told her no….she could have been arrested.
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Seacoaster(1) wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 7:53 am
youthathletics wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 7:29 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 9:24 pm Driving while black:

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1562545808918327298
Why insert race in to this? How are you certain the cop knew the race of the driver, for the mile he persued the vehicle 'with hazards flashing'? And no, I am not defending the cop AT ALL, the cop was a jerk and apparently he was being pushed out anyway b/c he is a bad apple.
My guess is that race and gender had a lot, maybe everything, to do with this policeman's conduct. The manner in which he diminishes her and speaks to her isn't the same way he might've spoken to you or me. Resisting the likelihood that this treatment had its foundation in race seems off base to me.

The question it raises, like other events of this kind: where are we getting our cops from, and how did this guy become a cop?
I am not sure how long he has been on the job, or his background. I am sure recruits are screened, but you cant catch em all. We all know stress complicates our lives, seems this guy should have resigned or taken a leave of absence awhile ago.

No mention of race being a factor from The Root.
After viewing the footage, Smith said Desue was shown the door. “We knew that this was something that we had to take action on immediately. We accepted his resignation. He’s no longer an employee of this agency,” said Smith.
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youthathletics wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:13 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 7:53 am
youthathletics wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 7:29 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 9:24 pm Driving while black:

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1562545808918327298
Why insert race in to this? How are you certain the cop knew the race of the driver, for the mile he persued the vehicle 'with hazards flashing'? And no, I am not defending the cop AT ALL, the cop was a jerk and apparently he was being pushed out anyway b/c he is a bad apple.
My guess is that race and gender had a lot, maybe everything, to do with this policeman's conduct. The manner in which he diminishes her and speaks to her isn't the same way he might've spoken to you or me. Resisting the likelihood that this treatment had its foundation in race seems off base to me.

The question it raises, like other events of this kind: where are we getting our cops from, and how did this guy become a cop?
I am not sure how long he has been on the job, or his background. I am sure recruits are screened, but you cant catch em all. We all know stress complicates our lives, seems this guy should have resigned or taken a leave of absence awhile ago.

No mention of race being a factor from The Root.
After viewing the footage, Smith said Desue was shown the door. “We knew that this was something that we had to take action on immediately. We accepted his resignation. He’s no longer an employee of this agency,” said Smith.
Police training is part of the problem.
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Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 7:59 am
youthathletics wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 7:29 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 9:24 pm Driving while black:

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1562545808918327298
Why insert race in to this? How are you certain the cop knew the race of the driver, for the mile he persued the vehicle 'with hazards flashing'? And no, I am not defending the cop AT ALL, the cop was a jerk and apparently he was being pushed out anyway b/c he is a bad apple.
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The broadcaster is from the south. Can hear it in how he says “him”.
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Farfromgeneva wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:31 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 7:59 am
youthathletics wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 7:29 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 9:24 pm Driving while black:

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1562545808918327298
Why insert race in to this? How are you certain the cop knew the race of the driver, for the mile he persued the vehicle 'with hazards flashing'? And no, I am not defending the cop AT ALL, the cop was a jerk and apparently he was being pushed out anyway b/c he is a bad apple.
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The broadcaster is from the south. Can hear it in how he says “him”.
Looking for the video of the black cop arrested, in uniform, for impersonating a police officer.
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youthathletics wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 8:13 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 7:53 am
youthathletics wrote: Thu Aug 25, 2022 7:29 am
Seacoaster(1) wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 9:24 pm Driving while black:

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1562545808918327298
Why insert race in to this? How are you certain the cop knew the race of the driver, for the mile he persued the vehicle 'with hazards flashing'? And no, I am not defending the cop AT ALL, the cop was a jerk and apparently he was being pushed out anyway b/c he is a bad apple.
My guess is that race and gender had a lot, maybe everything, to do with this policeman's conduct. The manner in which he diminishes her and speaks to her isn't the same way he might've spoken to you or me. Resisting the likelihood that this treatment had its foundation in race seems off base to me.

The question it raises, like other events of this kind: where are we getting our cops from, and how did this guy become a cop?
I am not sure how long he has been on the job, or his background. I am sure recruits are screened, but you cant catch em all. We all know stress complicates our lives, seems this guy should have resigned or taken a leave of absence awhile ago.

No mention of race being a factor from The Root.
After viewing the footage, Smith said Desue was shown the door. “We knew that this was something that we had to take action on immediately. We accepted his resignation. He’s no longer an employee of this agency,” said Smith.
So...he'll bounce over to another department. The Catholic Church, Police Departments, just moving these creeps around.
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