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Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:54 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:45 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:33 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:14 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:54 am

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:33 am uk is vaxxed at a rate we could only dream of (and israel) and they are seeing surges. covid original and alpha may have been arrested if we approached those numbers, but not delta. delta's gotta a course to run.

vaxxing has followed the path of polling, 4 categories. get it right away, see what's up but get it relatively quickly if thumbs up, see what's up (intermediate or long term), and no way.

we got thru the first 2 stages relatively quickly and have stalled on stage 3 so far. the delta swing may be the thing that's needed.

best case was always getting everyone but the no way indies and rep's (~78% blended) and 75% of minorities that weren't in that basket... 30% of american adults, say 80% of them x .75.

that's 14% of total >12 pop no way indies and rep's, 6% minorities, for a total of 80% 12 and over vaxxed. or 69% of total pop. where uk is (not approved for < 18 yrs old yet).

back out 5% for wishful thinking and we can get to 75% 12 and over. that's only another 20 million taking their 1st (and 2nd) jab, and 2nd jabbers cleaning up what they started.

Hospitals may not have been overrun if the anti-vaxx and Anti-masks and anti-social distance people had gotten on board. The Delta course MAY have been less consequential, but we will never know.

i think it's more than just probable if more had been on board to vaxx it'd be a slower burn. but i don't understand the "if the anti-vaxx" part that folks belabor. how would that work if they're anti-vaxx? u see philippines' rates?

time to get the vaxx hesitant. they are out there.

I am using other population centers in America with a high uptake rate as a comp.

i thought it was seasonal? like the flu? what inning is delta in?

my point is "if the anti-vaxxers" is a colossal straw man.

No. Anti-vaxxers, anti-social distancers, anti-maskers all have contributed to the problem. Not the only problem but have contributed to it.

not disputing that on anti-vaxxers. in fact, i confirmed that idea and likely outcomes.

was just disussing the "straw man" of "if the anti-vaxxers got on board" part. there is no such world. it's a hypothetical not grounded in reality. ipso/facto, anti-vaxxers aren't getting a shot in the world as we know the rules today.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:04 pm

I am for anything that lowers the rate of transmission and helps kids kid back to school this fall.

Kudos.

As dutiful concerned citizens we should all feel the same way and take constructive steps to promote all that is wholesome for the benefit of society.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:10 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:54 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:45 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:33 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:14 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:54 am

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:33 am uk is vaxxed at a rate we could only dream of (and israel) and they are seeing surges. covid original and alpha may have been arrested if we approached those numbers, but not delta. delta's gotta a course to run.

vaxxing has followed the path of polling, 4 categories. get it right away, see what's up but get it relatively quickly if thumbs up, see what's up (intermediate or long term), and no way.

we got thru the first 2 stages relatively quickly and have stalled on stage 3 so far. the delta swing may be the thing that's needed.

best case was always getting everyone but the no way indies and rep's (~78% blended) and 75% of minorities that weren't in that basket... 30% of american adults, say 80% of them x .75.

that's 14% of total >12 pop no way indies and rep's, 6% minorities, for a total of 80% 12 and over vaxxed. or 69% of total pop. where uk is (not approved for < 18 yrs old yet).

back out 5% for wishful thinking and we can get to 75% 12 and over. that's only another 20 million taking their 1st (and 2nd) jab, and 2nd jabbers cleaning up what they started.

Hospitals may not have been overrun if the anti-vaxx and Anti-masks and anti-social distance people had gotten on board. The Delta course MAY have been less consequential, but we will never know.

i think it's more than just probable if more had been on board to vaxx it'd be a slower burn. but i don't understand the "if the anti-vaxx" part that folks belabor. how would that work if they're anti-vaxx? u see philippines' rates?

time to get the vaxx hesitant. they are out there.

I am using other population centers in America with a high uptake rate as a comp.

i thought it was seasonal? like the flu? what inning is delta in?

my point is "if the anti-vaxxers" is a colossal straw man.

No. Anti-vaxxers, anti-social distancers, anti-maskers all have contributed to the problem. Not the only problem but have contributed to it.

not disputing that on anti-vaxxers. in fact, i confirmed that idea and likely outcomes.

was just disussing the "straw man" of "if the anti-vaxxers got on board" part. there is no such world. it's a hypothetical not grounded in reality. ipso/facto, anti-vaxxers aren't getting a shot in the world as we know the rules today.

“When” is not grounded in reality.

we may have different definitions of strawman.

get the hesi's. 20 mill. lot in that 12-18 group, with school approaching i'm guessing they're already posing a larger segment of the uptick.

Ultra right wing conspiracy believer says covid vax is designed to sterilize people:


https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/mat ... ocreating/


Mat Staver Claims COVID-19 Vaccines Are Designed to ‘Prevent People From Procreating’


Last week, we noted that the COVID-19 pandemic has turned religious-right activist Mat Staver of Liberty Counsel into hard-line anti-vaccine activist. On Wednesday, Staver appeared on a livestream hosted by World Prayer Network where he spent an hour spreading increasingly wild conspiracy theories while alleging that the vaccine is part of a globalist plan to depopulate the earth.

“What is involved in this is depopulation, population control to reduce the population of the planet, and to control everyone, and to do it by force and to have a tracking mechanism to determine whether or not you’ve had one of these particular injections,” Staver said. “COVID is being used as a mechanism for a bigger global agenda.”

When asked to explain how the vaccine is supposedly part of a conspiracy to depopulate the planet given that many vaccine advocates like Microsoft founder Bill Gates have taken it, Staver went deep down the rabbit hole.

“I don’t know whether [Bill] Gates got it. I don’t recall seeing anybody injecting his arm and if he did, who knows what they were putting in it,” Staver said. “Bill Gates is definitely a social Darwinianist, like Adolf Hitler, like Margaret Sanger, like J.D. Rockefeller, like the Carnegie Institute, like [Henry] Ford. … They were all Darwinianists, social Darwinianists. They believed in evolution, they believe that Blacks and people that were not white were not as evolved, and that the whites were the more evolved ones—and only certain kinds of whites—and that was their ideology.”

“If vaccines are supposed to make you more healthy, and you want to reduce population by 10 to 15 percent—which is going to be 700 million to a billion people on the planet, [Gates] wants to do that right away; about a billion people on the planet he wants to reduce and wipe off the planet now,” Staver continued. “You have to ask yourself how you’re going to do that. And if vaccines actually make you live longer, why would you then say people need vaccines? Well, it’s because they know that when they inject them, they can put things in your body that ultimately affect your reproduction.”

Staver claimed that the COVID-19 vaccines are designed to “concentrate” in the reproductive organs of those who receive them in order to “prevent people from procreating.”

“The vaccines go to certain concentrated places,” he claimed. “It has very high concentration in the ovaries. What we’re seeing with women is missed menstrual cycles, two menstrual cycles a month, heavy bleeding, painful menstrual cycles. We’re even seeing that with people, by the way, who haven’t gotten the shot but have been in close proximity to those who have the shot. Start asking women in your reaches—it may be a sensitive situation, but just ask them: Have you experienced, after being in close contact with somebody who’s had the shot, have you experienced any rashes? Just ask them two questions: rashes or bleeding? And I can guarantee you [that] you will be surprised at how many women will come back and say, ‘Oh my—that’s why my monthly cycle is all messed up.'”

“What it’s doing is it’s affecting the reproductive systems,” Staver added. “And it goes to the testes as well. And it’s affecting both men and women in terms of their ability, or rather their inability, to later procreate. So, one: It’s killing people. Two: it’s going to prevent people from procreating. So, I will guarantee you that in a few years, when somebody does a study, they’re going to say, ‘I wonder why the population reproduction rate has plummeted?’ And whether they’re going to connect it to this or not, I don’t know. But this is their insidious plan.”





video at link



No scientific evidence offered to confirm any of this nonsense. Sadly, many will believe it and avoid the vax to their detriment as well as that of society. I certainly believe in free speech but this type of nonsense leads to death and the government should either put a stop to it or issue an immediate response.

how do you find this stuff?

This will explain

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J78eUtFfbZc

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:34 pm how do you find this stuff?

Normally I'd be laughing at the idiocy of that right winger's speech. But far too many people take it seriously and it is going to put people's lives in jeopardy. Let's hope those who believe that garbage will join us in this forum so that they can become enlightened with the TRUTH.

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:45 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:34 pm how do you find this stuff?

Normally I'd be laughing at the idiocy of that right winger's speech. But far too many people take it seriously and it is going to put people's lives in jeopardy. Let's hope those who believe that garbage will join us in this forum so that they can become enlightened with the TRUTH.

Time will shave the split further away from those in that cohort with no help from others.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:34 pm how do you find this stuff?

Someone else that used to frequent this site believed Gates was trying to sterilize people on the African continent. He was an anti-vaxxer. Won’t get his daughter the HPV vaccine.

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:45 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:34 pm how do you find this stuff?

Normally I'd be laughing at the idiocy of that right winger's speech. But far too many people take it seriously and it is going to put people's lives in jeopardy. Let's hope those who believe that garbage will join us in this forum so that they can become enlightened with the TRUTH.

i guess we just have different takes on how things work.
anybody listening to that in the first place is already there. just wants affirmation and social. and @fanlax, before they get suspended, won't be changing any of their beliefs.

anyway... you're an attorney or were and you want the gov to stop it knowing precedent and all that? how do you figure that works out, constitutionally and long term and all?

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:21 pm

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:45 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:34 pm how do you find this stuff?

Normally I'd be laughing at the idiocy of that right winger's speech. But far too many people take it seriously and it is going to put people's lives in jeopardy. Let's hope those who believe that garbage will join us in this forum so that they can become enlightened with the TRUTH.

i guess we just have different takes on how things work.
anybody listening to that in the first place is already there. just wants affirmation and social. and @fanlax, before they get suspended, won't be changing any of their beliefs.

anyway... you're an attorney or were and you want the gov to stop it knowing precedent and all that? how do you figure that works out, constitutionally and long term and all?

Just enforce what is on the books

https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/br ... nformation

The idea that people can say whatever the hell they want to say isn’t true when it comes to public health.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:26 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:21 pm

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:45 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:34 pm how do you find this stuff?

Normally I'd be laughing at the idiocy of that right winger's speech. But far too many people take it seriously and it is going to put people's lives in jeopardy. Let's hope those who believe that garbage will join us in this forum so that they can become enlightened with the TRUTH.

i guess we just have different takes on how things work.
anybody listening to that in the first place is already there. just wants affirmation and social. and @fanlax, before they get suspended, won't be changing any of their beliefs.

anyway... you're an attorney or were and you want the gov to stop it knowing precedent and all that? how do you figure that works out, constitutionally and long term and all?

Just enforce what is on the books

https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/br ... nformation

The idea that people can say whatever the hell they want to say isn’t true when it comes to public health.

i mean sure, no fire in a crowded theatre, but is this a requirement to indulge (1st paragraph):
"The FCC prohibits broadcasting false information about a crime or a catastrophe if the broadcaster knows the information is false" 

so proving that is the next, or the first, step? they could muck it up for a while i guess, but sounds more like a can of worms.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:48 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:26 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:21 pm

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:45 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:34 pm how do you find this stuff?

Normally I'd be laughing at the idiocy of that right winger's speech. But far too many people take it seriously and it is going to put people's lives in jeopardy. Let's hope those who believe that garbage will join us in this forum so that they can become enlightened with the TRUTH.

i guess we just have different takes on how things work.
anybody listening to that in the first place is already there. just wants affirmation and social. and @fanlax, before they get suspended, won't be changing any of their beliefs.

anyway... you're an attorney or were and you want the gov to stop it knowing precedent and all that? how do you figure that works out, constitutionally and long term and all?

Just enforce what is on the books

https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/br ... nformation

The idea that people can say whatever the hell they want to say isn’t true when it comes to public health.

i mean sure, no fire in a crowded theatre, but is this a requirement to indulge (1st paragraph):
"The FCC prohibits broadcasting false information about a crime or a catastrophe if the broadcaster knows the information is false" 

so proving that is the next, or the first, step? they could muck it up for a while i guess, but sounds more like a can of worms.

I suppose a broadcaster never knows its false. In other news:

https://www.kens5.com/mobile/article/ne ... e71d9e10b1

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:58 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:48 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:26 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:21 pm

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:45 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:34 pm how do you find this stuff?

Normally I'd be laughing at the idiocy of that right winger's speech. But far too many people take it seriously and it is going to put people's lives in jeopardy. Let's hope those who believe that garbage will join us in this forum so that they can become enlightened with the TRUTH.

i guess we just have different takes on how things work.
anybody listening to that in the first place is already there. just wants affirmation and social. and @fanlax, before they get suspended, won't be changing any of their beliefs.

anyway... you're an attorney or were and you want the gov to stop it knowing precedent and all that? how do you figure that works out, constitutionally and long term and all?

Just enforce what is on the books

https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/br ... nformation

The idea that people can say whatever the hell they want to say isn’t true when it comes to public health.

i mean sure, no fire in a crowded theatre, but is this a requirement to indulge (1st paragraph):
"The FCC prohibits broadcasting false information about a crime or a catastrophe if the broadcaster knows the information is false" 

so proving that is the next, or the first, step? they could muck it up for a while i guess, but sounds more like a can of worms.

I suppose a broadcaster never knows its false. In other news:

https://www.kens5.com/mobile/article/ne ... e71d9e10b1

don't remember the last "political" full broadcast i've seen where, depending on the declarative certainty... a broadcaster didn't throw something out they "knew" to be false.
fcc would be busy.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:07 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:58 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:48 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:26 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:21 pm

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:45 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:34 pm how do you find this stuff?

Normally I'd be laughing at the idiocy of that right winger's speech. But far too many people take it seriously and it is going to put people's lives in jeopardy. Let's hope those who believe that garbage will join us in this forum so that they can become enlightened with the TRUTH.

i guess we just have different takes on how things work.
anybody listening to that in the first place is already there. just wants affirmation and social. and @fanlax, before they get suspended, won't be changing any of their beliefs.

anyway... you're an attorney or were and you want the gov to stop it knowing precedent and all that? how do you figure that works out, constitutionally and long term and all?

Just enforce what is on the books

https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/br ... nformation

The idea that people can say whatever the hell they want to say isn’t true when it comes to public health.

i mean sure, no fire in a crowded theatre, but is this a requirement to indulge (1st paragraph):
"The FCC prohibits broadcasting false information about a crime or a catastrophe if the broadcaster knows the information is false" 

so proving that is the next, or the first, step? they could muck it up for a while i guess, but sounds more like a can of worms.

I suppose a broadcaster never knows its false. In other news:

https://www.kens5.com/mobile/article/ne ... e71d9e10b1

don't remember the last "political" full broadcast i've seen where, depending on the declarative certainty... a broadcaster didn't throw something out they "knew" to be false.
fcc would be busy.

Innovation ahead of regulation. We will see how live streamed tripe is regulated down the line. I am sure TV was ahead of regulation too. We will see.

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:12 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:07 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:58 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:48 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:26 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:21 pm

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:45 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:34 pm how do you find this stuff?

Normally I'd be laughing at the idiocy of that right winger's speech. But far too many people take it seriously and it is going to put people's lives in jeopardy. Let's hope those who believe that garbage will join us in this forum so that they can become enlightened with the TRUTH.

i guess we just have different takes on how things work.
anybody listening to that in the first place is already there. just wants affirmation and social. and @fanlax, before they get suspended, won't be changing any of their beliefs.

anyway... you're an attorney or were and you want the gov to stop it knowing precedent and all that? how do you figure that works out, constitutionally and long term and all?

Just enforce what is on the books

https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/br ... nformation

The idea that people can say whatever the hell they want to say isn’t true when it comes to public health.

i mean sure, no fire in a crowded theatre, but is this a requirement to indulge (1st paragraph):
"The FCC prohibits broadcasting false information about a crime or a catastrophe if the broadcaster knows the information is false" 

so proving that is the next, or the first, step? they could muck it up for a while i guess, but sounds more like a can of worms.

I suppose a broadcaster never knows its false. In other news:

https://www.kens5.com/mobile/article/ne ... e71d9e10b1

don't remember the last "political" full broadcast i've seen where, depending on the declarative certainty... a broadcaster didn't throw something out they "knew" to be false.
fcc would be busy.

Innovation ahead of regulation. We will see how live streamed tripe is regulated down the line. I am sure TV was ahead of regulation too. We will see.

#wwdd

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:21 pm i guess we just have different takes on how things work.
anybody listening to that in the first place is already there. just wants affirmation and social. and @fanlax, before they get suspended, won't be changing any of their beliefs.

anyway... you're an attorney or were and you want the gov to stop it knowing precedent and all that? how do you figure that works out, constitutionally and long term and all?

The 1905 USSC precedent held that a religious institution could remain exempt from certain mitigation rules. But as I understand it, this is for churches who remain free to sermonize against masks, not to advocacy groups such as the so called Liberty Council. Some time ago I read where a newspaper was shut down during the Spanish flu crisis by a city because its editorial staff was anti mask and published an editorial against masking and because it told readers to dispense with masks. For the life of me, I cannot recall where I read that. But if that precedent is true, then it can be applied today and LC's site can be sanctioned as was that newspaper. One would, at least, hope so.

crazy times.

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:15 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:12 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:07 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:58 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:48 pm

Typical Lax Dad wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:26 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:21 pm

Brooklyn wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:45 pm

wgdsr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:34 pm how do you find this stuff?

Normally I'd be laughing at the idiocy of that right winger's speech. But far too many people take it seriously and it is going to put people's lives in jeopardy. Let's hope those who believe that garbage will join us in this forum so that they can become enlightened with the TRUTH.

i guess we just have different takes on how things work.
anybody listening to that in the first place is already there. just wants affirmation and social. and @fanlax, before they get suspended, won't be changing any of their beliefs.

anyway... you're an attorney or were and you want the gov to stop it knowing precedent and all that? how do you figure that works out, constitutionally and long term and all?

Just enforce what is on the books

https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/br ... nformation

The idea that people can say whatever the hell they want to say isn’t true when it comes to public health.

i mean sure, no fire in a crowded theatre, but is this a requirement to indulge (1st paragraph):
"The FCC prohibits broadcasting false information about a crime or a catastrophe if the broadcaster knows the information is false" 

so proving that is the next, or the first, step? they could muck it up for a while i guess, but sounds more like a can of worms.

I suppose a broadcaster never knows its false. In other news:

https://www.kens5.com/mobile/article/ne ... e71d9e10b1

don't remember the last "political" full broadcast i've seen where, depending on the declarative certainty... a broadcaster didn't throw something out they "knew" to be false.
fcc would be busy.

Innovation ahead of regulation. We will see how live streamed tripe is regulated down the line. I am sure TV was ahead of regulation too. We will see.

#wwdd

Not sure but you believe mass media communication is and should be unregulated? Do you you expect that broadcasting over the internet will be unregulated and that it should be unregulated?