Who is supporting the immigrant caravan?

[old salt]

If that's you position oldsalt, why build a wall, when the issue is temporary? Use our troops for what the Constitution intended: defend our borders.

Send 50k troops down (or whatever is needed) to turn anyone back, pass the law, give all illegals that are here work visas/citizenship, flip E verify on-----and then crossing the border becomes pointless because no one who does can get a job.

Boom. Done. If we're not shipping anyone out, this whole exercise gets real easy real fast. We just have to do it.

I say again -- because more workers will come, willing to work off the books for below market wages & to be in place for the next amnesty tranche, which they reason will be inevitable. Just like the next wave of unaccompanied minors, family units & asylum seekers who come every time they see the last wave getting in & finding a way to stay.
They won't all be deterred.

[youthathletics]

What happens when the troops leave? I can hear the vacuum sound, can you? And if they stay, well that is even higher costs.

[youthathletics]

System already exists. Just make everyone get a US Passport.

Its coming....Real ID Act. From CNBC

Starting Oct. 1, 2020, every adult boarding any federally regulated aircraft — including domestic flights — will need a Real ID-compliant license or they will need to show an alternative form of identification (such as a passport, "enhanced ID," Global Entry card or other acceptable forms of ID) at security.

Old News. I was issued an ID in the Summer of 2016. The new ID is a seal that is on your driver's license. May cost a little more and requires more documentation. People who don't really fly, may opt for a regular driver's license or people that use E-Passport or travel with a passport out of habit... The conversion was supposed to take place sooner but seems to have been extended.

But as it ties into this thread. If the argument to issue everyone a passport solves everything, than wouldn't that also apply to voter ID? So now REAL ID is going to refuse citizens of the USA the ability to fly; yet many feel it is not required to vote. Maybe REAL ID is the end around game?

[a fan]

When the Troops leave---the intent of the added troops is to drop illegal crossings to zero. When they go, all our current border systems will be in place. Attempted crossing will plummet if you can't get a job.

And so long as you hit employers hard for skirting E-verify----big felony with big fines--- there will be so few jobs available, crossing will be pointless. Those that are deported will tell their fellow countrymen not to bother.

The wall is pointless, if you ask me.

[foreverlax]

All of the recently proposed 3 plans are guilty of - "Outline makes no mention of E-Verify."

https://www.npr.org/2018/02/05/58280231 ... ther-plans

[youthathletics]

For me, I trust the blue collar types to build a wall that will work, over the suit and tie guys that will just talk and get nothing done.

[a fan]

If the blue collar type were in charge of where/how/what the wall was? I'd agree.

They're not.

Without e verify, this whole thing is pointless. We need to track and get these people into the system. Hell, charge them for it so that the system can pay for itself during the initial setup.

[ggait]

Be honest, was your friends hotel hiring illegals? b/c paper, or electronic, they require the same information.

Sure he was. As were all of his competitors. As do most employers in the service and construction industries.

The employees provide, and the employers accept, paper documents that pass plausible deniability. That is precisely how millions of illegals work ON THE BOOKS and how those illegals many billions of payroll taxes each year. Some illegals even pay income taxes.

I know you know all of this Randy. Paper based verification for employment is a core component of our long-standing policy of amnesty (de facto not de jure). Amnesty has had broad bi-partisan support for forever. So long as you don't use the A-word to describe it.

[runrussellrun]

We already have de facto amnesty -- the 10-15 million people are here and they are never ever ever leaving. We all know that the de jure amnesty is basically going to be something like the Gang of 8. Once Congress determines the de jure amnesty (which even Hannity and Bill O'Reilly supported in the halcyon pre-Trump days of 2013), you can turn on e-verify and we're done.

Fake conservatives (Republicans) will never go for this. And their logic is immaculate: "We can't possibly give all this people Amnesty. "Therefore", we're going to do nothing about this, and not only give those that are currently here amnesty, but those who continue to come every year...total and complete amnesty".

You can't argue with a bunch of people who think that logic is "fake news".

So.....shocker, no immigration reform yet again, after making it soooooo important during the elections.

You're confusing. Did the voters make it soooooo important......or was it the candidates? B/c, after all , the latter is just doing what the former wants, right. evil5

[runrussellrun]

When the Troops leave---the intent of the added troops is to drop illegal crossings to zero. When they go, all our current border systems will be in place. Attempted crossing will plummet if you can't get a job.

And so long as you hit employers hard for skirting E-verify----big felony with big fines--- there will be so few jobs available, crossing will be pointless. Those that are deported will tell their fellow countrymen not to bother.

The wall is pointless, if you ask me.

Not pointle$$ if you are Boeing or Bechtel....or whomever gets the contract (s) this time. When Hillaryous and Barry O voted YES to fund the wall, did they get political donations from any corporations who got the contracts to build the wall in 2008 or 2012 (or 2016)

And love "factchecker" claiming that lots of D's senators voting for the 2006 "fence act" as half true. When it is 100% true that Hillaryous and BO did vote for it.

Obama got $430,000 from Boeing in 08 and 12
Clinton got $290,000 from boeing in 08 and 16. Interesting the Bernie got $100k from boing boing in 2016. Pretty much a straight party donation split for Boeing throughout the years. They didn't even come close to fulfilling their fence contract either. What a country.

[a fan]

You're confusing. Did the voters make it soooooo important......or was it the candidates? B/c, after all , the latter is just doing what the former wants, right. evil5

You serious? What do you think?

Hint: there's no Immigration Reform bill, and yet the Republican voters are over the moon happy with Trump. Whoops. Republican legislators and Trump "forgot" to write that law in the last 2 years. Guess they were too busy not passing any bills, right?

What does that tell you about this issue that's "so important" to Trump voters?

If Trump voters were screaming bloody murder about Immigration Reform, and Trump's approval ratings were in the trashcan.....they'd have their bill.

Instead? R voters blame Nancy Pelosi and the "House Dems" for not having a bill, even though Republicans have a 61 vote majority there. My question to these Republican Voter geniuses: why bother voting for, and continuing to support these people, when they haven't done a single thing you asked them to do?

[Typical Lax Dad]

But as it ties into this thread. If the argument to issue everyone a passport solves everything, than wouldn't that also apply to voter ID? So now REAL ID is going to refuse citizens of the USA the ability to fly; yet many feel it is not required to vote. Maybe REAL ID is the end around game?

Go to BWI and let me know how many people can board a plane today without ID.

[runrussellrun]

You're confusing. Did the voters make it soooooo important......or was it the candidates? B/c, after all , the latter is just doing what the former wants, right. evil5

You serious? What do you think?

Hint: there's no Immigration Reform bill, and yet the Republican voters are over the moon happy with Trump. Whoops. Republican legislators and Trump "forgot" to write that law in the last 2 years. Guess they were too busy not passing any bills, right?

What does that tell you about this issue that's "so important" to Trump voters?

If Trump voters were screaming bloody murder about Immigration Reform, and Trump's approval ratings were in the trashcan.....they'd have their bill.

Instead? R voters blame Nancy Pelosi and the "House Dems" for not having a bill, even though Republicans have a 61 vote majority there. My question to these Republican Voter geniuses: why bother voting for, and continuing to support these people, when they haven't done a single thing you asked them to do?

What news outlet covered the June immigration failure bill, front page. Day after day. lemon and cuomo rant about it? Hannity or tucker? brietbart or whatever it is? Same library quiet when it came to the late Septmember vote to continue the largest spending bill in the history of the world. And signed by tRump.

But, the real topic is......How can you be a HIGH information voter if the 4th estate doesn't give you the information. What do you think the percentage of US citizens regularly read gov.track, open secrets, congress.gov and other HIGHly informative websites? less than 1%. What is it for the 20, +- posters on these threads. 1....besides me. Did laura ingraham talk about the VOTE numbers for goodlattes bill?

And you want to blame the voters?

[ggait]

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Paul Ryan should be focusing on holding the Majority rather than giving his opinions on Birthright Citizenship, something he knows nothing about! Our new Republican Majority will work on this, Closing the Immigration Loopholes and Securing our Border!
10:43 AM - Oct 31, 2018

ROTFLMAO

If he doesn't like Ryan's opinion, maybe Trump should ask the opinion of conservative lawyer George Conway (Kellyanne's husband). Or conservative law professor John Yoo (GWB Justice Dept and American Enterprise Institute). Or conservative 5th Circuit Federal Judge James Ho (Trump appointee). They each know a lot about this!

Even Jon Turley thinks an exec order is silly -- you need at least Congressional legislation to properly trigger the court challenge (which challenge would be a Hail Mary pass even with this GOP majority SCOTUS).

GMAFB

[runrussellrun]

Be honest, was your friends hotel hiring illegals? b/c paper, or electronic, they require the same information.

Sure he was. As were all of his competitors. As do most employers in the service and construction industries.

The employees provide, and the employers accept, paper documents that pass plausible deniability. That is precisely how millions of illegals work ON THE BOOKS and how those illegals many billions of payroll taxes each year. Some illegals even pay income taxes.

I know you know all of this Randy. Paper based verification for employment is a core component of our long-standing policy of amnesty (de facto not de jure). Amnesty has had broad bi-partisan support for forever. So long as you don't use the A-word to describe it.

Why I always stay at B & B's. All these , 'they all do it" criminals certainly paid minimum wage and overtime??? Your friend talked to the other owners about payroll too. What are they gonna do, call the cops? Paying 20 people $20 less, per day, is another $400 per day for your friend. The difference between driving to Mount SNow and staying in greenfield Mass or flying to Whistler Blackcomb and staying slopeside.

We all have to eat.

[runrussellrun]

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Paul Ryan should be focusing on holding the Majority rather than giving his opinions on Birthright Citizenship, something he knows nothing about! Our new Republican Majority will work on this, Closing the Immigration Loopholes and Securing our Border!
10:43 AM - Oct 31, 2018

ROTFLMAO

If he doesn't like Ryan's opinion, maybe Trump should ask the opinion of conservative lawyer George Conway (Kellyanne's husband). Or conservative law professor John Yoo (GWB Justice Dept and American Enterprise Institute). Or conservative 5th Circuit Federal Judge James Ho (Trump appointee). They each know a lot about this!

Even Jon Turley thinks an exec order is silly -- you need at least Congressional legislation to properly trigger the court challenge (which challenge would be a Hail Mary pass even with this GOP majority SCOTUS).

GMAFB

SO SICK of the msm media NOT focusing on how much a bunch of hypcrites the GOP is. You wanna win in 2020, focus on congress VOTES. what they do. Oh, wait......no, it would work. Dems don't care about spending money, even on killing machines, because they are against wars...um.....nu......uaodsifjdsoifjwelkskl

[a fan]

That news outlet covered the June immigration failure bill, front page. Day after day. lemon and cuomo rant about it? Hannity or tucker? brietbart or whatever it is? Same library quiet when it came to the late Septmember vote to continue the largest spending bill in the history of the world. And signed by tRump.

salut1 Bravo!

You get it. Why? Why does FoxNation operate like this? Viewers. Eyeballs. It has NOTHING to do with solving our problems as a nation, or actually governing. The ENTIRE purpose to FoxNation is $$. And how do they make money? By telling the truth? Or (snicker) holding Republicans in Congress accountable for actually governing like the conservatives? Nope.

It's all about the conflict, constant anger, constant fighting, and constant finger pointing. And while Republican viewers eat this stuff up with a spoon, nothing gets done, and Hannity and Rush whistle on their way to the bank, and cash their checks.

Have you EVER heard a FoxNation viewer ask Hannity: "why do you EVER bringing up Pelosi, the Dems, the Libs, the Lib Media, or Obama? They have no power. Republicans own government here in 2018...why aren't you just talking about implementing our legislative desires, and nothing else? Why aren't you livid every day, demanding spending cuts. Demanding smaller government. Demanding Immigration Reform?"

Nope. It's the viewers. Until the viewers stand up and demand that their media champions and their Congressional Reps do nothing but work on their agenda, nothing will change. The R's in Congress, and the staff at FoxNation will continue to point fingers at everyone but themselves so their viewers and voters don't notice that they are fleecing them of their money.

Have a look for yourself. Listen to Hannity or Rush....$50 says that if you didn't know any better, the Dems are in total control of government. So you get story after story about "the libs ruining America."

Same goes for Maddow, obviously, if and when the D's ever gain power again. But talking about her now is pointless...the libs and/or Dems aren't even in the ball game.

But, the real topic is......How can you be a HIGH information voter if the 4th estate doesn't give you the information. What do you think the percentage of US citizens regularly read gov.track, open secrets, congress.gov and other HIGHly informative websites? less than 1%.

Do you think that Regional Newspapers around the country have gone belly up because they provide a service that voters desperately want, but the 4th Estate fails to provide it for them? Come on. You can't force people to read newspapers or to stay informed, as much as I'd LOVE to do that.

It's the voters. As I have written many times: we're doing this to ourselves. We deserve Trump. These politicians are doing EXACTLY what we are asking them to do.

[Trinity]

Trump now says 15,000 troops are needed.

[Typical Lax Dad]

Trump now says 15,000 troops are needed.

That is quite a bit of oversight...... reminds me of a Westchster family where each kid has their own Nanny.

[youthathletics]

But as it ties into this thread. If the argument to issue everyone a passport solves everything, than wouldn't that also apply to voter ID? So now REAL ID is going to refuse citizens of the USA the ability to fly; yet many feel it is not required to vote. Maybe REAL ID is the end around game?

Go to BWI and let me know how many people can board a plane today without ID.

in 2020 per the link in my earlier post:

Starting Oct. 1, 2020, every adult boarding any federally regulated aircraft — including domestic flights — will need a Real ID-compliant license or they will need to show an alternative form of identification (such as a passport, "enhanced ID," Global Entry card or other acceptable forms of ID) at security.Jan 10, 2018