Re: Sensible Gun Control
Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:04 am
According to a certain newly elected Congress person, it was NO big deal.ggait wrote: ↑Sun Aug 04, 2019 9:15 pmTo coin a phrase, I call BS on that. Anyone with a brain does too.They'll use IEDs, truck, pistols, knives, etc.
I could easily kill/main a dozen people in 60 seconds with an assault rifle. And I'm a pudgy middle aged suburban guy with no special training or skills or special access to gear. Also, I can come up with dozens of soft targets within a 5 mile radius of my house to do it -- churches, schools, restaurants, movie theatres, stores, malls, etc.
I could not do that with a revolver, shot gun, knife or baseball bat. Maybe I could inflict some mayhem with a semi-auto pistol, but an assault rifle is just so much better of a tool. That muzzle velocity really brings the fatality!
It would be really really hard for me (and almost all of these wackos) to successfully pull off a bomb blast. The El Paso and Dayton shooters were messed up crazy young guys. They played video games and attended community college -- they did not attend Army Ranger school for pete sake! With some extensive planning I might/might not be able to pull off the truck massacre. But I'd never bother to try since the assault rifle path is sooo much easier and soo much more effective.
We still have car crashes even with drunk driving laws and a 55 MPH speed limit. Does that mean we should let people drive drunk and 100 MPH? People still rob banks even though that's against the law. Should we give that one up too? We all lock our doors at night, even though we know it is no guarantee against intrusion. Since when do we let the forking perfect be the enemy of the good????
This is a beyond stupid argument to make. Sheesh. SMH.
And here's the other idiotic argument I can't stand. 50k people die each year in car crashes and suicides. So these mass shootings are really no big deal. Fork that. By that reasoning 9/11 was no big deal -- only 3k killed, right?
Yes, the Obama administration put 100's of bailout Wall st. banksters in jail, breaking dozens of laws.LandM wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:08 am ggait,
Never said they should have them said they can get access to them, big difference - what is a law gonna stop? Also 3-D printing can help one create allot of things and it is moving fast. BTW your a lawyer - I am sure you are familiar with the federal sentencing guidelines. There is a law for everything under the sun - has it stopped anyone from doing anything illegal?
Of course. To be clear, when I say mentally ill, I do not mean, Hannibal Lector straight-jacket mentally ill. It could be a modicum of mental health issues.
The Texas terrorist drove from Dallas to El Paso (a nine-hour drive) because there are more hispanics in El Paso.runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:22 amWhy do all these "white supremicist" kill primarily white people ?
Tru dat.ggait wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:44 pm With respect to MSSA weapons, the 94-04 ban did a reasonably good job. Hard to believe, but at the time it was supported by Ford, Carter, Reagan and Clinton! That was back in the good old days before Washington (and especially the GOP) went completely down the tubes.
Had it been renewed and improved/modified in 2004, the rifles and the mags would have been virtually eliminated now. Instead, we've added 15 years of new hardware, making the problem so much larger and so much harder to fix.
So, now we are just quibbiling about the number that "these" represents. got it.CU77 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:06 pmThe Texas terrorist drove from Dallas to El Paso (a nine-hour drive) because there are more hispanics in El Paso.runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:22 amWhy do all these "white supremicist" kill primarily white people ?
The Ohio terrorist appears to have been a plain-vanilla sociopath who hates everyone equally. He told a classmate in high school that he fantasized about tying her up and slitting her throat. But, hey, he should have weapons of mass destruction too!
We are going to find out the motivation. I have heard from 3 different people on the ground. Going to wait to see if it’s true. We will see if the order was his sister and her boyfriend and then others. Boyfriend survived. Time will tell.runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:19 pmSo, now we are just quibbiling about the number that "these" represents. got it.CU77 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 2:06 pmThe Texas terrorist drove from Dallas to El Paso (a nine-hour drive) because there are more hispanics in El Paso.runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:22 amWhy do all these "white supremicist" kill primarily white people ?
The Ohio terrorist appears to have been a plain-vanilla sociopath who hates everyone equally. He told a classmate in high school that he fantasized about tying her up and slitting her throat. But, hey, he should have weapons of mass destruction too!
You for selling weapons overseas? Hopefully your congressperson has been contacted to ban the guns.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... yre-right/In Britain, there are now about 0.06 violent gun deaths per 100,000 residents. By contrast, there are roughly 4.43 violent gun deaths per 100,000 residents in the United States. In other words, even after accounting for population differences, the gun homicide rate in the United States is around 73 times higher than the same figure for Britain. And partly because guns are much more effective weapons to kill, the overall intentional homicide rate in the United States is about 4.5 times higher than Britain’s homicide rate.
Republicans on Fox News over the weekend trotted out the same tired excuses: video games are to blame, they said. President Trump claimed it was all about mental health. Both explanations are absurd. After adjusting for population, video game revenues between the United States and Britain are roughly equal. And even though video game revenues are substantially higher per capita in Japan than in the United States, there are roughly 111 Americans killed in gun homicides for every Japanese homicide victim even after adjusting for population. Mental health and substance abuse disorders are slightly higher in the United States than in Britain and Japan, but not dramatically so, and certainly not 73 or 111 times higher.
Strongly against it.
Just did it (and my two senators). Thanks for the idea.runrussellrun wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:19 pmHopefully your congressperson has been contacted to ban the guns.
I don't care about the motivation, really. I want all the nut-jobs stripped of their weapons of mass destruction.
That makes two of us. These assault rifles serve no purpose in civilian hands. Rent them at a gun range if that is a person’s idea of fun. This country is insane. More people in prison and more guns than any other country on the planet.CU77 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:51 pmI don't care about the motivation, really. I want all the nut-jobs stripped of their weapons of mass destruction.
And since it's impossible to tell in advance who is and who is not a future mass murderer, I'm for keeping all weapons of mass destruction out of all private hands.