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Re: 2022 NCAA Mens LAX tournament
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 5:29 pm
by ICGrad
tech37 wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 12:57 pm
IMO, a dumb rule raised its ugly head again in the CU vs OSU game yesterday.
CU goal waved off when player was pushed into crease as he scored. At some point, some deserves-to-win team is going to lose a game based on this rule.
Goal should count and push waved off unless there's unnecessary roughness involved.
I realize the rule is there to protect goalies, but still...
What am I missing?
Made all the worse by the fact that, from what I could tell of the replay, the goal was disallowed because Kirst was pushed from behind and his face bounced off the turf inside the circle.
Illegal push from behind while in the act of shooting, and the goal gets waved off. Ridiculous.
If this were basketball Kirst would have gotten an and-one.
Re: 2022 NCAA Mens LAX tournament
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 5:35 pm
by joewillie78
Hoxwurth wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 5:11 pm
Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 4:37 pm
Lax Vegas Lines @LaxVegasLines · 32s
#LaxVegasLines: 5/21 - 5/22 Lines
#6 Rutgers [-155] -1.5
#3 PENNSYLVANIA [+140]
O/U: 28.5
#5 Princeton [-155] -1.5
#4 YALE [+140]
O/U: 27.5
#7 CORNELL [-440] -4.5
Delaware [+385]
O/U: 21.5
#1 MARYLAND [-495] -5.5
Virgina [+430]
O/U: 32.5
Penn, Princeton, Delaware, and UVa to cover.
Do we have game times and sat/sun dates?
GOBIGRED
Joewillie78
Re: 2022 NCAA Mens LAX tournament
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 5:54 pm
by another fan
Re: 2022 NCAA Mens LAX tournament
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 6:01 pm
by joewillie78
Thanks. Awesome, noon on Sunday. Can't wait. Great way to spend my Sunday afternoon. Barbeque, Flower Power and Cornell Lax.
GOBIGRED
Joewillie78
Re: 2022 NCAA Mens LAX tournament
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 6:12 pm
by laxpert
tech37 wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 2:20 pm
Ezra White wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 2:16 pm
tech37 wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 12:57 pm
IMO, a dumb rule raised its ugly head again in the CU vs OSU game yesterday.
CU goal waved off when player was pushed into crease as he scored. At some point, some deserves-to-win team is going to lose a game based on this rule.
Goal should count and push waved off unless there's unnecessary roughness involved.
I realize the rule is there to protect goalies, but still...
What am I missing?
I think everyone agrees this is a stupid rule.
I differ with your remedy. What if the push prevents a score? Then it's treated like any other penalty. But I'd trade a 30-sec man-down for a goal anytime.
So, when a goal is scored, it should count. But score or not, the offending team should be man-down no matter what. If a goal is scored, the ensuing face-off will be 3 vs 2; if no goal is scored, the man-down is called when the offending team gains possession.
To discourage this tactic even more, the length of the man-down can be increased on subsequent violations.
Agreed. A push is a push and should be penalized. Thought that was obvious... sorry.
It’s my understanding when the shot clock was instituted the rules guys wanted to bring back the dive to combat teams from using zone defenses. The current rule encourages attackman to take angles that prevent you from ending up in the Goal Mouth even if pushed.
Re: 2022 NCAA Mens LAX tournament
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 6:54 pm
by MoralTerpitude
Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 4:37 pm
Lax Vegas Lines @LaxVegasLines · 32s
#LaxVegasLines: 5/21 - 5/22 Lines
#6 Rutgers [-155] -1.5
#3 PENNSYLVANIA [+140]
O/U: 28.5
#5 Princeton [-155] -1.5
#4 YALE [+140]
O/U: 27.5
#7 CORNELL [-440] -4.5
Delaware [+385]
O/U: 21.5
#1 MARYLAND [-495] -5.5
Virgina [+430]
O/U: 32.5
Interesting that Rutgers is favored over Penn. I agree, but just surprised that Vegas thinks so. The spreads look about right to me, though I am surprised that Maryland is favored by nearly 6 goals. The O/U on Princeton/Yale and Cornell/Delaware are low.
Re: 2022 NCAA Mens LAX tournament
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 6:59 pm
by wgdsr
MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 6:54 pm
Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 4:37 pm
Lax Vegas Lines @LaxVegasLines · 32s
#LaxVegasLines: 5/21 - 5/22 Lines
#6 Rutgers [-155] -1.5
#3 PENNSYLVANIA [+140]
O/U: 28.5
#5 Princeton [-155] -1.5
#4 YALE [+140]
O/U: 27.5
#7 CORNELL [-440] -4.5
Delaware [+385]
O/U: 21.5
#1 MARYLAND [-495] -5.5
Virgina [+430]
O/U: 32.5
Interesting that Rutgers is favored over Penn. I agree, but just surprised that Vegas thinks so. The spreads look about right to me, though I am surprised that Maryland is favored by nearly 6 goals. The O/U on Princeton/Yale and Cornell/Delaware are low.
las vegas lines isn't affiliated with any book i'm aware of.
draftkings has penn - 1.5, umd -4.5, cornell - 2.5 and the p'ton line the same.
Re: 2022 NCAA Mens LAX tournament
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 7:01 pm
by Peter Brown
joewillie78 wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 6:01 pm
Thanks. Awesome, noon on Sunday. Can't wait. Great way to spend my Sunday afternoon. Barbeque, Flower Power and Cornell Lax.
GOBIGRED
Joewillie78
What’s ‘flower power’?
Re: 2022 NCAA Mens LAX tournament
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 7:03 pm
by joewillie78
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 7:01 pm
joewillie78 wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 6:01 pm
Thanks. Awesome, noon on Sunday. Can't wait. Great way to spend my Sunday afternoon. Barbeque, Flower Power and Cornell Lax.
GOBIGRED
Joewillie78
What’s ‘flower power’?
An IPA Beer made by Ithaca Beer Company. Google it or go to their website. It's all I drink now. In fact, I'm having one (or more) right now.
GOBIGRED
Joewillie78
Re: 2022 NCAA Mens LAX tournament
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 7:06 pm
by MoralTerpitude
wgdsr wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 6:59 pm
MoralTerpitude wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 6:54 pm
Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 4:37 pm
Lax Vegas Lines @LaxVegasLines · 32s
#LaxVegasLines: 5/21 - 5/22 Lines
#6 Rutgers [-155] -1.5
#3 PENNSYLVANIA [+140]
O/U: 28.5
#5 Princeton [-155] -1.5
#4 YALE [+140]
O/U: 27.5
#7 CORNELL [-440] -4.5
Delaware [+385]
O/U: 21.5
#1 MARYLAND [-495] -5.5
Virgina [+430]
O/U: 32.5
Interesting that Rutgers is favored over Penn. I agree, but just surprised that Vegas thinks so. The spreads look about right to me, though I am surprised that Maryland is favored by nearly 6 goals. The O/U on Princeton/Yale and Cornell/Delaware are low.
las vegas lines isn't affiliated with any book i'm aware of.
draftkings has penn - 1.5, umd -4.5, cornell - 2.5 and the p'ton line the same.
Ah, that sounds more inline with what I would've figured. Thanks.
Re: 2022 NCAA Mens LAX tournament
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 8:40 pm
by Peter Brown
joewillie78 wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 7:03 pm
Peter Brown wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 7:01 pm
joewillie78 wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 6:01 pm
Thanks. Awesome, noon on Sunday. Can't wait. Great way to spend my Sunday afternoon. Barbeque, Flower Power and Cornell Lax.
GOBIGRED
Joewillie78
What’s ‘flower power’?
An IPA Beer made by Ithaca Beer Company. Google it or go to their website. It's all I drink now. In fact, I'm having one (or more) right now.
GOBIGRED
Joewillie78
Thank you. I’ll check it out. I’ll be in Lake Placid NY this weekend.
Re: 2022 NCAA Mens LAX tournament
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 8:55 pm
by MoralTerpitude
Conference Check:
Ivy League: 4-2 (0.667)
Big Ten: 2-1 (0.667)
ACC: 1-0 (1.000)
Big East: 0-1 (0.000)
Everyone else: 1-6 (0.143)
Number of teams in the Tournament:
6 Ivies, 3 B1G, 1 ACC, 1 Big East, 7 Others
Number of teams in the Quarters:
4 Ivies, 2 B1G, 1 ACC, 1 Other
B1G vs Ivy: 1-1.
ACC vs Ivy: 1-0.
Seeded teams advancing: 6.
Major upsets: 1.
Looks like Saint Donna and the Guilded Round Table of Selectors have done pretty well, so far.
Re: 2022 NCAA Mens LAX tournament
Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 9:04 pm
by The Orfling
Ezra White wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 2:16 pm
tech37 wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 12:57 pm
IMO, a dumb rule raised its ugly head again in the CU vs OSU game yesterday.
CU goal waved off when player was pushed into crease as he scored. At some point, some deserves-to-win team is going to lose a game based on this rule.
Goal should count and push waved off unless there's unnecessary roughness involved.
I realize the rule is there to protect goalies, but still...
What am I missing?
I think everyone agrees this is a stupid rule.
I differ with your remedy. What if the push prevents a score? Then it's treated like any other penalty. But I'd trade a 30-sec man-down for a goal anytime.
So, when a goal is scored, it should count. But score or not, the offending team should be man-down no matter what. If a goal is scored, the ensuing face-off will be 3 vs 2; if no goal is scored, the man-down is called when the offending team gains possession.
To discourage this tactic even more, the length of the man-down can be increased on subsequent violations.
I was thinking award a 1-minute non-releasable? The goal could be disallowed but teams might get hit with two EMO goals -- maybe that removes the incentive to push a diver if you're beat?
Re: 2022 NCAA Mens LAX tournament
Posted: Wed May 18, 2022 10:14 am
by RedIvy
I’m of the mind set to never take points off the board for any illegal play, while just not right it also encourages more of the same.
Re: 2022 NCAA Mens LAX tournament
Posted: Wed May 18, 2022 10:48 am
by laxfan1313
joewillie78 wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 5:35 pm
Hoxwurth wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 5:11 pm
Matnum PI wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 4:37 pm
Lax Vegas Lines @LaxVegasLines · 32s
#LaxVegasLines: 5/21 - 5/22 Lines
#6 Rutgers [-155] -1.5
#3 PENNSYLVANIA [+140]
O/U: 28.5
#5 Princeton [-155] -1.5
#4 YALE [+140]
O/U: 27.5
#7 CORNELL [-440] -4.5
Delaware [+385]
O/U: 21.5
#1 MARYLAND [-495] -5.5
Virgina [+430]
O/U: 32.5
Penn, Princeton, Delaware, and UVa to cover.
Do we have game times and sat/sun dates?
GOBIGRED
Joewillie78
Sunday: Cornell-Delaware at Noon. Maryland-Virginia at 2:30. No problem with tickets. There will be 100,000 empty seats.
Re: 2022 NCAA Mens LAX tournament
Posted: Wed May 18, 2022 2:23 pm
by Matnum PI
Best goals of the D1 Men's First Round games. It's pretty darn good...
https://twitter.com/NCAALAX/status/1526989600308137984
Re: 2022 NCAA Mens LAX tournament
Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 9:22 am
by groundballs44
A little late to this thread so apologies if this has already been covered - but can anyone provide any intel as to why OSU is a quarterfinal venue? 100K+ seat stadium, not centrally located, doesn't make much sense to me...
Re: 2022 NCAA Mens LAX tournament
Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 9:57 am
by joewillie78
groundballs44 wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 9:22 am
A little late to this thread so apologies if this has already been covered - but can anyone provide any intel as to why OSU is a quarterfinal venue? 100K+ seat stadium, not centrally located, doesn't make much sense to me...
That's an easy one as its all about the almighty dollar. Obviously, OSU offered up the Shoe at an extremely low price and the NCAA never passes up a bargain.
GOBIGRED
Joewillie78
Re: 2022 NCAA Mens LAX tournament
Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 10:06 am
by CU88
CU77 wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 2:15 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 1:55 pm
tech37 wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 12:57 pm
IMO, a dumb rule raised its ugly head again in the CU vs OSU game yesterday.
CU goal waved off when player was pushed into crease as he scored. At some point, some deserves-to-win team is going to lose a game based on this rule.
Goal should count and push waved off unless there's unnecessary roughness involved.
I realize the rule is there to protect goalies, but still...
What am I missing?
Not a thing, Tech. Not a thing. You're right....this is gonna cost someone a game at some point. And you just know the refs hate this stupid rule.
My guess is that, from the defense's point of view, stopping that (potential) goal with a push, and taking the 30s penalty, is a better bet than not. Which would mean that the rule actually makes things LESS SAFE for the goalie, by inviting the defense to push the attackman into the crease to save a goal.
Matnum PI posted videos of first round goals and I saw an identical situation in the Princeton vs BU game; but they allowed the goal.
Found the game video, look at play starting @ 49:20ish for penalty & goal at 49:35.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qlvpbo917Y
Re: 2022 NCAA Mens LAX tournament
Posted: Thu May 19, 2022 10:18 am
by wgdsr
CU88 wrote: ↑Thu May 19, 2022 10:06 am
CU77 wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 2:15 pm
a fan wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 1:55 pm
tech37 wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 12:57 pm
IMO, a dumb rule raised its ugly head again in the CU vs OSU game yesterday.
CU goal waved off when player was pushed into crease as he scored. At some point, some deserves-to-win team is going to lose a game based on this rule.
Goal should count and push waved off unless there's unnecessary roughness involved.
I realize the rule is there to protect goalies, but still...
What am I missing?
Not a thing, Tech. Not a thing. You're right....this is gonna cost someone a game at some point. And you just know the refs hate this stupid rule.
My guess is that, from the defense's point of view, stopping that (potential) goal with a push, and taking the 30s penalty, is a better bet than not. Which would mean that the rule actually makes things LESS SAFE for the goalie, by inviting the defense to push the attackman into the crease to save a goal.
Matnum PI posted videos of first round goals and I saw an identical situation in the Princeton vs BU game; but they allowed the goal.
Found the game video, look at play starting @ 49:20ish for penalty & goal at 49:35.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qlvpbo917Y
the only explanation is both refs missed him landing in the goalmouth briefly. it happens.