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Re: White Nationalist Terrorism

Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:08 am
by cradleandshoot
runrussellrun wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:03 am
old salt wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:41 am
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:25 am
old salt wrote: Wed Mar 17, 2021 10:32 pm Were the victims of Chinese ancestry or of other Asian ancestry ?

A S Korean official in Atlanta said 4 were ethnic Korean.

Were they targets & at risk because of their race or because of their profession ?
To some people “they are all Chinese if their eyes are slanted”....heard that last month from a friend.
I wonder if the Pres & VP will be taking Bob Kraft with them to Atlanta to express their support for Asian massage parlors.
Part of their comprehensive immigration reform plan.

https://patch.com/georgia/atlanta/not-s ... sh-georgia
Rub Maps has reviews for more than 160 "Asian massage parlors" in Georgia, including 53 in Atlanta; 9 in Chamblee; 8 in Smyrna; 3 in Tucker; 3 in Dunwoody; and 2 in Decatur.
HA......thought of DonjT lover Bobby Kraft too when reading this horrible news.

Don't forget, Tom Brady is a trumpists too.............but he's mvp of a sport, so, he gets a pass, apparently. I wonder if Bellicheat owns a Volcano or Mighty ? He must. With accessories, about $ 600.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fykurE8fPM
" he gets a pass,"
Well duuuuh, he is Tom Brady. He has made his living making passes. 8-)

Re: White Nationalist Terrorism

Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 11:43 am
by ardilla secreta
SF Mayor London Breed: I've asked @SFPD to increase patrols in areas with a high number of Asian residents, visitors, and businesses immediately. More long-term efforts to will also be announced shortly. No one should have to live in fear that their race or ethnicity could make them a victim.

I moved from SF twenty years ago, before the total takeover of techno-dufuses. I don’t know anywhere in The City where one wouldn’t come across Asian citizens. It’s not like they’re all around Stockton St in Chinatown.

FYI: if you want to experience the pinnacle of multicultural city life go to Clement St in the Inner Richmond District. Shops of Catonese, Mandarin, Taiwanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Burmese, Indonesian, Filipino, Japanese, Singaporean, Italian, French, Irish, Russian, American and maybe more.

https://twitter.com/LondonBreed/status/ ... mplates%2F

Re: White Nationalist Terrorism

Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 1:01 pm
by CU88
March 18, 2021
Heather Cox Richardson
Mar 19

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On Tuesday, in Georgia, a gunman murdered 1 man and 7 women, at three spas, and wounded another man. All three of the businesses were operating legally, according to Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms, and had not previously come to the attention of the Atlanta Police Department, although all three had been reviewed by an erotic review site. The man apprehended for the murders was 21-year-old Robert Aaron Long, who is described as deeply religious. Six of the women killed were of Asian descent.

Yesterday, at the news conference about the killings, the sheriff’s captain who was acting as a spokesman about the case, Jay Baker, told reporters that Long was “pretty much fed up and kind of at the end of his rope. Yesterday was a really bad day for him, and this is what he did.” The spokesman went on to say that the suspect “apparently has an issue, what he considers a sex addiction,” that had spurred him to murder, and that it was too early to tell if the incident was a “hate crime.” Long told law enforcement officers that the murders were “not racially motivated.” He was, he said, trying to “help” other people with sex addictions.

Journalists quickly discovered that Baker had posted on Facebook a picture of a shirt calling COVID-19 an “IMPORTED VIRUS FROM CHY-NA.”

As Baker’s Facebook post indicated, the short-term history behind the shooting is the former president’s attacks on China, in which he drew out the pronunciation of the name to make it sound like a schoolyard insult.

The story behind Trump’s attacks on China was his desperate determination to be reelected in 2020. In 2018, the former president placed tariffs on Chinese goods to illustrate his commitment to make the U.S. “a much stronger, much richer nation.” The tariffs led to a trade war with China and, rather than building a much stronger nation, resulted in a dramatic fall in agricultural exports. Agricultural exports to China fell from $15.8 billion in 2017 to $5.9 billion in 2018.

To combat the growing unrest in the agricultural regions of the country, where farm bankruptcies grew by nearly 20% in 2019, Trump paid off farmers hurt by the tariff with subsidies, which made up more than one third of U.S. farm income in 2020. In June 2019, he also begged Chinese President Xi Jinping to help him win the 2020 election. He told him that farmers were important to his election prospects, and begged Xi to buy more soybeans and wheat from U.S. farmers.

In January 2020, Trump and Chinese Vice Premier Liu He signed a deal that cut some U.S. tariffs in exchange for Chinese promises to buy more agricultural products, as well as some other adjustments between the two countries. On January 22, Trump tweeted: ““One of the many great things about our just signed giant Trade Deal with China is that it will bring both the USA & China closer together in so many other ways. Terrific working with President Xi, a man who truly loves his country. Much more to come!”

But, of course, the novel coronavirus was beginning to ravage the world.

On January 24, Trump tweeted: “China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”

Five days later, at a signing ceremony, he said: “I think our relationship with China now might be the best it's been in a long, long time.”

On February 7, Trump called journalist Bob Woodward and said of the coronavirus, “This is deadly stuff. You just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed…. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flu.” Still, on February 10, he told supporters in New Hampshire that the coronavirus would “miraculously” go away when the weather got warmer, and in mid-February, he defended Xi’s handling of the epidemic, saying China was working hard and “doing a very good job” and that they “have everything under control.”

Shortly after the U.S. shut down to combat the pandemic in mid-March, Trump began to turn on China. On March 22, after 33,000 Americans had tested positive for the virus and 421 had died of it, Trump seemed to think better of his praise for Xi. He insisted that China had not told him about the deadly nature of the virus, and began to call it the “Chinese virus,” or the “Chy-na virus.”

By April 17, a Republican strategy document urged candidates to deflect attention from the nation’s disastrous coronavirus news by attacking China, which “caused this pandemic by covering it up, lying, and hoarding the world’s supply of medical equipment…. China… has stolen millions of American jobs, [and] sent fentanyl to the United States.” Democrats would not stand up to China, the document told Republican candidates to say, but “I will stand up to China, bring our manufacturing jobs back home, and push for sanctions on China for its role in spreading this pandemic.”

In May, Trump announced the U.S. would leave the World Health Organization because it had been too easy on China in the early days of the pandemic.

To undercut his own association with China, Trump somewhat nonsensically tried to link his Democratic opponent, Joe Biden, to China. He claimed—falsely—that China had paid Biden’s son, Hunter, $1.5 billion. He and his appointees Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe, Attorney General William Barr, and National Security Advisor Robert O’Brien, all claimed—again falsely-- that China was interfering in the election to help Biden.

This week, the intelligence community reported that, in fact, China did not try to influence the election because it did not “view either election outcome as being advantageous enough for China to risk getting caught meddling.”

As Trump politicized the pandemic and attacked China, hate crimes against Asian-Americans began to rise; there were about 3800 of them between March 19, 2020 and February 28, 2021. In cities, hate incidents increased by 150%.

In this context, the suggestion of a police spokesman who had posted pictures celebrating a shirt that called Covid-19 the “VIRUS IMPORTED FROM CHY-NA” that a gunman had killed six women of Asian descent because he had had “a really bad day,” along with the officer’s apparent acceptance of Long’s statement that the killings were not racially motivated, outraged observers.

That seemingly cavalier dismissal of the dead while accepting the words of the white murderer seemed to personify an American history that has discriminated against Asians since the California legislature slapped a Foreign Miners’ Tax on Chinese miners in 1850, just a year after they began to arrive in California. Discriminatory laws and violence from their white neighbors plagued Chinese, Japanese, Hawaiians, Pacific Islanders, Koreans, Vietnamese, and all Asian immigrants as they moved to the U.S.

Discrimination and hatred have continued to plague their descendants.

The rise in anti-Asian violence has been so bad this year that a subcommittee of the House Judiciary Committee had planned a hearing today on hate crimes against Asian Americans even before the murders. Representative Doris Matsui (D-CA) today condemned the recent uptick in violence, but pointed out that discrimination is hardly new. “There is a systemic problem here,” she said. Of Japanese descent, she noted that she was born during WWII in an internment camp in Arizona.

Asian American women have borne a dual burden of both racism and sexism, as certain men fetishize Asian and Asian American women, seeing them as submissive, exotic, and sexually available. Attackers aimed nearly 70% of the reported 3,800 hate incidents reported last year at women.

That Long blamed Asian or Asian American women for his own sexual impulses ties into a long history that links racism to sexism—and to violence— in a peculiarly American fashion.

Re: White Nationalist Terrorism

Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 1:23 pm
by cradleandshoot
CU88 wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 1:01 pm March 18, 2021
Heather Cox Richardson
Mar 19

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On Tuesday, in Georgia, a gunman murdered 1 man and 7 women, at three spas, and wounded another man. All three of the businesses were operating legally, according to Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms, and had not previously come to the attention of the Atlanta Police Department, although all three had been reviewed by an erotic review site. The man apprehended for the murders was 21-year-old Robert Aaron Long, who is described as deeply religious. Six of the women killed were of Asian descent.

Yesterday, at the news conference about the killings, the sheriff’s captain who was acting as a spokesman about the case, Jay Baker, told reporters that Long was “pretty much fed up and kind of at the end of his rope. Yesterday was a really bad day for him, and this is what he did.” The spokesman went on to say that the suspect “apparently has an issue, what he considers a sex addiction,” that had spurred him to murder, and that it was too early to tell if the incident was a “hate crime.” Long told law enforcement officers that the murders were “not racially motivated.” He was, he said, trying to “help” other people with sex addictions.

Journalists quickly discovered that Baker had posted on Facebook a picture of a shirt calling COVID-19 an “IMPORTED VIRUS FROM CHY-NA.”

As Baker’s Facebook post indicated, the short-term history behind the shooting is the former president’s attacks on China, in which he drew out the pronunciation of the name to make it sound like a schoolyard insult.

The story behind Trump’s attacks on China was his desperate determination to be reelected in 2020. In 2018, the former president placed tariffs on Chinese goods to illustrate his commitment to make the U.S. “a much stronger, much richer nation.” The tariffs led to a trade war with China and, rather than building a much stronger nation, resulted in a dramatic fall in agricultural exports. Agricultural exports to China fell from $15.8 billion in 2017 to $5.9 billion in 2018.

To combat the growing unrest in the agricultural regions of the country, where farm bankruptcies grew by nearly 20% in 2019, Trump paid off farmers hurt by the tariff with subsidies, which made up more than one third of U.S. farm income in 2020. In June 2019, he also begged Chinese President Xi Jinping to help him win the 2020 election. He told him that farmers were important to his election prospects, and begged Xi to buy more soybeans and wheat from U.S. farmers.

In January 2020, Trump and Chinese Vice Premier Liu He signed a deal that cut some U.S. tariffs in exchange for Chinese promises to buy more agricultural products, as well as some other adjustments between the two countries. On January 22, Trump tweeted: ““One of the many great things about our just signed giant Trade Deal with China is that it will bring both the USA & China closer together in so many other ways. Terrific working with President Xi, a man who truly loves his country. Much more to come!”

But, of course, the novel coronavirus was beginning to ravage the world.

On January 24, Trump tweeted: “China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”

Five days later, at a signing ceremony, he said: “I think our relationship with China now might be the best it's been in a long, long time.”

On February 7, Trump called journalist Bob Woodward and said of the coronavirus, “This is deadly stuff. You just breathe the air and that’s how it’s passed…. It’s also more deadly than even your strenuous flu.” Still, on February 10, he told supporters in New Hampshire that the coronavirus would “miraculously” go away when the weather got warmer, and in mid-February, he defended Xi’s handling of the epidemic, saying China was working hard and “doing a very good job” and that they “have everything under control.”

Shortly after the U.S. shut down to combat the pandemic in mid-March, Trump began to turn on China. On March 22, after 33,000 Americans had tested positive for the virus and 421 had died of it, Trump seemed to think better of his praise for Xi. He insisted that China had not told him about the deadly nature of the virus, and began to call it the “Chinese virus,” or the “Chy-na virus.”

By April 17, a Republican strategy document urged candidates to deflect attention from the nation’s disastrous coronavirus news by attacking China, which “caused this pandemic by covering it up, lying, and hoarding the world’s supply of medical equipment…. China… has stolen millions of American jobs, [and] sent fentanyl to the United States.” Democrats would not stand up to China, the document told Republican candidates to say, but “I will stand up to China, bring our manufacturing jobs back home, and push for sanctions on China for its role in spreading this pandemic.”

In May, Trump announced the U.S. would leave the World Health Organization because it had been too easy on China in the early days of the pandemic.

To undercut his own association with China, Trump somewhat nonsensically tried to link his Democratic opponent, Joe Biden, to China. He claimed—falsely—that China had paid Biden’s son, Hunter, $1.5 billion. He and his appointees Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe, Attorney General William Barr, and National Security Advisor Robert O’Brien, all claimed—again falsely-- that China was interfering in the election to help Biden.

This week, the intelligence community reported that, in fact, China did not try to influence the election because it did not “view either election outcome as being advantageous enough for China to risk getting caught meddling.”

As Trump politicized the pandemic and attacked China, hate crimes against Asian-Americans began to rise; there were about 3800 of them between March 19, 2020 and February 28, 2021. In cities, hate incidents increased by 150%.

In this context, the suggestion of a police spokesman who had posted pictures celebrating a shirt that called Covid-19 the “VIRUS IMPORTED FROM CHY-NA” that a gunman had killed six women of Asian descent because he had had “a really bad day,” along with the officer’s apparent acceptance of Long’s statement that the killings were not racially motivated, outraged observers.

That seemingly cavalier dismissal of the dead while accepting the words of the white murderer seemed to personify an American history that has discriminated against Asians since the California legislature slapped a Foreign Miners’ Tax on Chinese miners in 1850, just a year after they began to arrive in California. Discriminatory laws and violence from their white neighbors plagued Chinese, Japanese, Hawaiians, Pacific Islanders, Koreans, Vietnamese, and all Asian immigrants as they moved to the U.S.

Discrimination and hatred have continued to plague their descendants.

The rise in anti-Asian violence has been so bad this year that a subcommittee of the House Judiciary Committee had planned a hearing today on hate crimes against Asian Americans even before the murders. Representative Doris Matsui (D-CA) today condemned the recent uptick in violence, but pointed out that discrimination is hardly new. “There is a systemic problem here,” she said. Of Japanese descent, she noted that she was born during WWII in an internment camp in Arizona.

Asian American women have borne a dual burden of both racism and sexism, as certain men fetishize Asian and Asian American women, seeing them as submissive, exotic, and sexually available. Attackers aimed nearly 70% of the reported 3,800 hate incidents reported last year at women.

That Long blamed Asian or Asian American women for his own sexual impulses ties into a long history that links racism to sexism—and to violence— in a peculiarly American fashion.
I would think that in this day and age that any public figure would have abandoned social media like it was the plague. It never ceases to amaze me how stupid stuff you said 5 years ago comes back to bite you in the butt time and time again. A really astute politician should never post what he/she really thinks about anything on social media.

Re: White Nationalist Terrorism

Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:05 pm
by old salt
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va ... n-atlanta/

Atlanta spa killings lead to questions about sex work and exploitation

The Atlanta-area massage businesses where eight people were shot and killed Tuesday have long been identified online and by police as places where sex work and possible sexual exploitation regularly occurred — and where Asian women could be found.

Customers who posted about the illicit offerings at Gold Spa, Aromatherapy Spa and Young’s Asian Massage made the businesses targets for people who showed up expecting to be able to purchase sex acts. This week, those businesses became targets for a man who showed up with a gun, intent on ending the lives of those who worked there.

Police have given no indication that any of the victims were sex workers. But the suspected gunman, Robert Aaron Long, told law enforcement that he was a regular customer at two of the massage spas he attacked. He said he saw the people who worked in them as “temptations” he needed to “eliminate,” signaling that he set out with the intention of attacking Asian women whom he perceived to be selling sex.

Massage businesses, especially those that employ Asian people, are stereotyped and stigmatized in every corner of America, assumed by some to be places where consensual sex is bought and sold, and painted by others as epicenters for exploitation.

Establishments that do participate in the sex trade have long been the subject of heated debate among proponents of decriminalizing sex work, groups pushing to end sex trafficking and law enforcement agencies policing what plays out behind flashing neon signs. The businesses are the frequent target of “stings” intended to catch human traffickers that often end in the arrests of the very people police are claiming to help. The circumstances of those people can vary widely: they may be employed there by choice, forced into sex work out of desperation or sex trafficked by someone exploiting them.

One of the businesses attacked by the shooter, Gold Spa, has previously been the subject of prostitution stings by the Atlanta Police Department that led to the arrests of employees,...During a two-year period from 2011 though 2013, police conducted seven undercover stings at Gold Spa, making a total of 10 arrests, according to the reports. The arrests were all of women. The reports often listed their home addresses as the address of Gold Spa.

Police received complaints about alleged prostitution at the addresses of Gold Spa and Aromatherapy Spa, another business where the shootings took place, as recently as 2019....
Young’s Asian Massage, located just north of Atlanta, has been under investigation by the Cherokee County Sheriff’s Office since 2019...
...one man who works a few doors down saw the type of activity that often raises red flags for anti-trafficking groups.
Tanner Adams, 33, who works at a smoke shop in the same plaza as Young’s, said he saw a steady stream of middle-aged men enter the business, often parking their cars far away from the entrance and walking the length of the parking lot.
Adams said he rarely saw the half-dozen women who worked there come or go, but when they did, they were being ferried to and from work in a Honda Odyssey van. He said an older White man frequently hovered near them.
The older man “would come and go from the place and bring groceries or clothing that was just washed,” Adams said. “They were all in a position where they all seemed stuck.”
The owner of Young’s, who would have turned 50 on Thursday, had been licensed as a massage therapist since 2016 according to public records. Tan was known in the community as a hard-working business woman who owned two spas.

A report by the Georgia anti-trafficking organization StreetGrace found that there were roughly 165 massage businesses in the state listed on RubMaps in 2020. The first piece of information described about each massage business is “Masseuse Ethnicity.” While the spas in the area list a range of reported ethnicities, the three that Long attacked list “Asian” as the biggest, and sometimes only, ethnicity represented.

Gold Spa, Aromatherapy Spa and Young’s Asian Massage are the subject of more than 200 reviews, filled with racist slurs, breast sizes and names of who to ask for. One recent visitor complained that the employee they met was “very detached and clinical.”

Republicans in Georgia, including Gov. Brian Kemp, have made human trafficking a key campaign issue and have supported law enforcement tactics, such as raids around the Super Bowl, that have been questioned by those who caution against the criminalization of vulnerable people.
After StreetGrace completed its research on Georgia’s massage businesses, executive director Camila Zolfaghari said the exploitation of workers within them is undeniable. She hopes it will be taken into consideration during the shooting investigation.
“They have very few contacts with the community, are told they’ll be put in jail for visa fraud if they outcry, and are told their families will be put in danger,” Zolfaghari said.

Such threats keep trafficking victims from seeking help, and keep sex workers from reporting the violence they regularly experience at the hands of buyers. Those who do report crimes always run the risk of being arrested for prostitution and solicitation, and blamed for their own victimization.
And if they are undocumented, they risk being deported for seeking safety. Leng Leng Chancey, executive director of 9to5 National Association of Working Women, a multiracial economic justice organization, said that while the immigration status of the victims in the Georgia shootings remains unknown, people without authorization to work in the United States are often afraid to seek help from authorities because of the fear that local law enforcement may be working with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to find undocumented immigrants.
Advocates fear that so much attention on massage businesses and sex work will lead to more stings and deportations across the country, rather than the supportive services people who may be being exploited or struggling in other ways need.
The shooter took out the owner of one of the human trafficking operations. I wonder if he got any of the other owners or operators ? Their ages were in the 40's to '70's. ...he wasn't after the young flowers.

Re: White Nationalist Terrorism

Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:14 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
old salt wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:05 pm
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va ... n-atlanta/

Atlanta spa killings lead to questions about sex work and exploitation

The Atlanta-area massage businesses where eight people were shot and killed Tuesday have long been identified online and by police as places where sex work and possible sexual exploitation regularly occurred — and where Asian women could be found.

Customers who posted about the illicit offerings at Gold Spa, Aromatherapy Spa and Young’s Asian Massage made the businesses targets for people who showed up expecting to be able to purchase sex acts. This week, those businesses became targets for a man who showed up with a gun, intent on ending the lives of those who worked there.

Police have given no indication that any of the victims were sex workers. But the suspected gunman, Robert Aaron Long, told law enforcement that he was a regular customer at two of the massage spas he attacked. He said he saw the people who worked in them as “temptations” he needed to “eliminate,” signaling that he set out with the intention of attacking Asian women whom he perceived to be selling sex.

Massage businesses, especially those that employ Asian people, are stereotyped and stigmatized in every corner of America, assumed by some to be places where consensual sex is bought and sold, and painted by others as epicenters for exploitation.

Establishments that do participate in the sex trade have long been the subject of heated debate among proponents of decriminalizing sex work, groups pushing to end sex trafficking and law enforcement agencies policing what plays out behind flashing neon signs. The businesses are the frequent target of “stings” intended to catch human traffickers that often end in the arrests of the very people police are claiming to help. The circumstances of those people can vary widely: they may be employed there by choice, forced into sex work out of desperation or sex trafficked by someone exploiting them.

One of the businesses attacked by the shooter, Gold Spa, has previously been the subject of prostitution stings by the Atlanta Police Department that led to the arrests of employees,...During a two-year period from 2011 though 2013, police conducted seven undercover stings at Gold Spa, making a total of 10 arrests, according to the reports. The arrests were all of women. The reports often listed their home addresses as the address of Gold Spa.

Police received complaints about alleged prostitution at the addresses of Gold Spa and Aromatherapy Spa, another business where the shootings took place, as recently as 2019....
Young’s Asian Massage, located just north of Atlanta, has been under investigation by the Cherokee County Sheriff’s Office since 2019...
...one man who works a few doors down saw the type of activity that often raises red flags for anti-trafficking groups.
Tanner Adams, 33, who works at a smoke shop in the same plaza as Young’s, said he saw a steady stream of middle-aged men enter the business, often parking their cars far away from the entrance and walking the length of the parking lot.
Adams said he rarely saw the half-dozen women who worked there come or go, but when they did, they were being ferried to and from work in a Honda Odyssey van. He said an older White man frequently hovered near them.
The older man “would come and go from the place and bring groceries or clothing that was just washed,” Adams said. “They were all in a position where they all seemed stuck.”
The owner of Young’s, who would have turned 50 on Thursday, had been licensed as a massage therapist since 2016 according to public records. Tan was known in the community as a hard-working business woman who owned two spas.

A report by the Georgia anti-trafficking organization StreetGrace found that there were roughly 165 massage businesses in the state listed on RubMaps in 2020. The first piece of information described about each massage business is “Masseuse Ethnicity.” While the spas in the area list a range of reported ethnicities, the three that Long attacked list “Asian” as the biggest, and sometimes only, ethnicity represented.

Gold Spa, Aromatherapy Spa and Young’s Asian Massage are the subject of more than 200 reviews, filled with racist slurs, breast sizes and names of who to ask for. One recent visitor complained that the employee they met was “very detached and clinical.”

Republicans in Georgia, including Gov. Brian Kemp, have made human trafficking a key campaign issue and have supported law enforcement tactics, such as raids around the Super Bowl, that have been questioned by those who caution against the criminalization of vulnerable people.
After StreetGrace completed its research on Georgia’s massage businesses, executive director Camila Zolfaghari said the exploitation of workers within them is undeniable. She hopes it will be taken into consideration during the shooting investigation.
“They have very few contacts with the community, are told they’ll be put in jail for visa fraud if they outcry, and are told their families will be put in danger,” Zolfaghari said.

Such threats keep trafficking victims from seeking help, and keep sex workers from reporting the violence they regularly experience at the hands of buyers. Those who do report crimes always run the risk of being arrested for prostitution and solicitation, and blamed for their own victimization.
And if they are undocumented, they risk being deported for seeking safety. Leng Leng Chancey, executive director of 9to5 National Association of Working Women, a multiracial economic justice organization, said that while the immigration status of the victims in the Georgia shootings remains unknown, people without authorization to work in the United States are often afraid to seek help from authorities because of the fear that local law enforcement may be working with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement to find undocumented immigrants.
Advocates fear that so much attention on massage businesses and sex work will lead to more stings and deportations across the country, rather than the supportive services people who may be being exploited or struggling in other ways need.
The shooter took out the owner of one of the human trafficking operations. I wonder if he got any of the other owners or operators ? Their ages were in the 40's to '70's. ...he wasn't after the young flowers.
Good shoot.

Re: White Nationalist Terrorism

Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:35 pm
by old salt
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:14 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:05 pm The shooter took out the owner of one of the human trafficking operations. I wonder if he got any of the other owners or operators ? Their ages were in the 40's to '70's. ...he wasn't after the young flowers.
Good shoot.
Biden & Harris are going to Atlanta to "consult & console the Asian community" (according to MSNBC).

I wonder if they'll mention human trafficking & illegal immigrants forced into prostitution.

Re: White Nationalist Terrorism

Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:41 pm
by a fan
old salt wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:35 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:14 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:05 pm The shooter took out the owner of one of the human trafficking operations. I wonder if he got any of the other owners or operators ? Their ages were in the 40's to '70's. ...he wasn't after the young flowers.
Good shoot.
Biden & Harris are going to Atlanta to "consult & console the Asian community" (according to MSNBC).

I wonder if they'll mention human trafficking & illegal immigrants forced into prostitution.
What for? Have you forgotten the last President fixed those problems?

Re: White Nationalist Terrorism

Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:44 pm
by Typical Lax Dad
old salt wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:35 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:14 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:05 pm The shooter took out the owner of one of the human trafficking operations. I wonder if he got any of the other owners or operators ? Their ages were in the 40's to '70's. ...he wasn't after the young flowers.
Good shoot.
Biden & Harris are going to Atlanta to "consult & console the Asian community" (according to MSNBC).

I wonder if they'll mention human trafficking & illegal immigrants forced into prostitution.
Who cares.

Re: White Nationalist Terrorism

Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:48 pm
by cradleandshoot
a fan wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:41 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:35 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:14 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:05 pm The shooter took out the owner of one of the human trafficking operations. I wonder if he got any of the other owners or operators ? Their ages were in the 40's to '70's. ...he wasn't after the young flowers.
Good shoot.
Biden & Harris are going to Atlanta to "consult & console the Asian community" (according to MSNBC).

I wonder if they'll mention human trafficking & illegal immigrants forced into prostitution.
What for? Have you forgotten the last President fixed those problems?
I appreciate a Fan your sense of humor. I'm starting to get long in the tooth, I still can't remember any POTUS fixing anything. It does make for a great slogan for running for election/re-election. The next time I hear any politician say "vote for me, I'll fix things in DC" I may break out in projectile vomiting. :mrgreen:

Re: White Nationalist Terrorism

Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:49 pm
by cradleandshoot
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:44 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:35 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:14 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:05 pm The shooter took out the owner of one of the human trafficking operations. I wonder if he got any of the other owners or operators ? Their ages were in the 40's to '70's. ...he wasn't after the young flowers.
Good shoot.
Biden & Harris are going to Atlanta to "consult & console the Asian community" (according to MSNBC).

I wonder if they'll mention human trafficking & illegal immigrants forced into prostitution.
Who cares.
I thought you did snookums? If you don't care, who will? :D

Re: White Nationalist Terrorism

Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:51 pm
by a fan
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:48 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:41 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:35 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:14 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:05 pm The shooter took out the owner of one of the human trafficking operations. I wonder if he got any of the other owners or operators ? Their ages were in the 40's to '70's. ...he wasn't after the young flowers.
Good shoot.
Biden & Harris are going to Atlanta to "consult & console the Asian community" (according to MSNBC).

I wonder if they'll mention human trafficking & illegal immigrants forced into prostitution.
What for? Have you forgotten the last President fixed those problems?
I appreciate a Fan your sense of humor. I'm starting to get long in the tooth, I still can't remember any POTUS fixing anything. It does make for a great slogan for running for election/re-election. The next time I hear any politician say "vote for me, I'll fix things in DC" I may break out in projectile vomiting. :mrgreen:
You seem to be one of the few around here who gets the game.

We're just a few months before politicians start running on promises to fix immigration and the fake crisis at the border.

Re: White Nationalist Terrorism

Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:55 pm
by cradleandshoot
a fan wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:51 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:48 pm
a fan wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:41 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:35 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:14 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:05 pm The shooter took out the owner of one of the human trafficking operations. I wonder if he got any of the other owners or operators ? Their ages were in the 40's to '70's. ...he wasn't after the young flowers.
Good shoot.
Biden & Harris are going to Atlanta to "consult & console the Asian community" (according to MSNBC).

I wonder if they'll mention human trafficking & illegal immigrants forced into prostitution.
What for? Have you forgotten the last President fixed those problems?
I appreciate a Fan your sense of humor. I'm starting to get long in the tooth, I still can't remember any POTUS fixing anything. It does make for a great slogan for running for election/re-election. The next time I hear any politician say "vote for me, I'll fix things in DC" I may break out in projectile vomiting. :mrgreen:
You seem to be one of the few around here who gets the game.

We're just a few months before politicians start running on promises to fix immigration and the fake crisis at the border.
#1 agree 100%. I'm glad you have survived the cataclysmic blizzard of 2021. The folks on the weather channel had predicted mass extinctions in Colorado. Did anybody else besides your family survive? :D

Re: White Nationalist Terrorism

Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:59 pm
by a fan
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:55 pm #1 agree 100%. I'm glad you have survived the cataclysmic blizzard of 2021. The folks on the weather channel had predicted mass extinctions in Colorado. Did anybody else besides your family survive? :D
:lol: We're all fine, thanks. Part of living here. It's nowhere near as bad as Syracuse was, at least when my Dad was a kid. Can't imagine Rochester being all that different from Syracuse.

I was snowed in at the distillery over the weekend. We got about 28 inches in 12 hours. My dog, a Bernese Mtn. Dog mix was overjoyed, and LOVES bounding around in the snow.

But we didn't lose power or gas for even a minute. So it was a nothing sandwich, and I just ran pot stills.

Re: White Nationalist Terrorism

Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:14 pm
by runrussellrun
old salt wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:35 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:14 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:05 pm The shooter took out the owner of one of the human trafficking operations. I wonder if he got any of the other owners or operators ? Their ages were in the 40's to '70's. ...he wasn't after the young flowers.
Good shoot.
Biden & Harris are going to Atlanta to "consult & console the Asian community" (according to MSNBC).

I wonder if they'll mention human trafficking & illegal immigrants forced into prostitution.
And remember, the mission statement, the goal, the end game......of this Q theory/thing. It IS to end child abuse, yes? In a nut shell, the Qunon thing wants to STOP and END human sex trafficking and targeting children?

Bet you people all think Jeffry E. offed himself.

FBI have two of its agents killed, recently, others wounded, when serving a warrant on a child sex trafficker.

https://www.interpol.int/en/Crimes/Crim ... n-database

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/24/asia/chi ... index.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/03/us/f ... huber.html


So, let us get this straight.......nutjobs believe that DonjT is the leader of an organization that wants to put an end to child sex abuse, trafficking ,etc. that this IS a bad thing? Not really understanding this Q theory thing, can anyone help explain it better? I don't mean a link.

has the child sex trafficking aspect of Q been "debunked" by the people that created the fake Q organization.

Sounds like a good mission statement to me. How can you support child sex abuse and trafficking. exactly what you are doing when bringing Q up.

Re: White Nationalist Terrorism

Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:27 pm
by cradleandshoot
a fan wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:59 pm
cradleandshoot wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:55 pm #1 agree 100%. I'm glad you have survived the cataclysmic blizzard of 2021. The folks on the weather channel had predicted mass extinctions in Colorado. Did anybody else besides your family survive? :D
:lol: We're all fine, thanks. Part of living here. It's nowhere near as bad as Syracuse was, at least when my Dad was a kid. Can't imagine Rochester being all that different from Syracuse.

I was snowed in at the distillery over the weekend. We got about 28 inches in 12 hours. My dog, a Bernese Mtn. Dog mix was overjoyed, and LOVES bounding around in the snow.

But we didn't lose power or gas for even a minute. So it was a nothing sandwich, and I just ran pot stills.
Good for you and your family. Getting snowed in at a distillery would probably be a dream come true for a lot of people. ;) Here in Rochester 24 inches of snow is a minor nuisance. The folks with snowmobiles are in heaven.

Re: White Nationalist Terrorism

Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:44 pm
by Farfromgeneva
old salt wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:35 pm
Typical Lax Dad wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:14 pm
old salt wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:05 pm The shooter took out the owner of one of the human trafficking operations. I wonder if he got any of the other owners or operators ? Their ages were in the 40's to '70's. ...he wasn't after the young flowers.
Good shoot.
Biden & Harris are going to Atlanta to "consult & console the Asian community" (according to MSNBC).

I wonder if they'll mention human trafficking & illegal immigrants forced into prostitution.
They were already scheduled to be there prior to event, this isn't driving visit. Not sure of agenda but think it was part of their world tour to sell the stimulus.

FYI the owner in the suburban one was a Asian woman herself around 50yrs of age. The ones intown, Piedmont Rd, only stretch near an underpass around that area that hasn't been totally gentrified between Buckhead and Morningside Heights neighborhoods, likely are human trafficking, I'm not as sure about the suburban one where the owner was killed and while it's possible it would be a mistake to assume that.

Re: White Nationalist Terrorism

Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:00 pm
by old salt
Farfromgeneva wrote: Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:44 pm FYI the owner in the suburban one was a Asian woman herself around 50yrs of age.
I'm not as sure about the suburban one where the owner was killed and while it's possible it would be a mistake to assume that.
Here's what the WP article I linked & quoted said about that victim (Young's owner Tan).
She also reportedly had some legit massage customers.
Apparently Tan was a naturalized Chinese immigrant, while the other Asian victims at the other 2 parlors were Korean.

Young’s Asian Massage, located just north of Atlanta, has been under investigation by the Cherokee County Sheriff’s Office since 2019...
...one man who works a few doors down saw the type of activity that often raises red flags for anti-trafficking groups.
Tanner Adams, 33, who works at a smoke shop in the same plaza as Young’s, said he saw a steady stream of middle-aged men enter the business, often parking their cars far away from the entrance and walking the length of the parking lot.
Adams said he rarely saw the half-dozen women who worked there come or go, but when they did, they were being ferried to and from work in a Honda Odyssey van. He said an older White man frequently hovered near them.
The older man “would come and go from the place and bring groceries or clothing that was just washed,” Adams said. “They were all in a position where they all seemed stuck.”
The owner of Young’s, who would have turned 50 on Thursday, had been licensed as a massage therapist since 2016 according to public records. Tan was known in the community as a hard-working business woman who owned two spas.

...she had also married & was amicably divorced from a man named Webb. They have a daughter who is an UGA grad.

Re: White Nationalist Terrorism

Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:07 pm
by Farfromgeneva
Just some random hearsay, not to say that there isn't trafficking, but you woulnd't allow that type of limited "evidence" allow anyone to indict Trump of anything, you would've demanded a lot more so just saying.

Insofar as the police checking the place out, the county to the east outlawed strip clubs in the last decade and the exurb/deep suburbs where there's a mix of new money mcmansions and old ranches on huge lots is going through a cultural transition and they could've simply been looking to shut down the "tug" in the places that offer the traditional "rub & tug" and not anything related to trafficking. If there was much there, I would think we'd be talking FBI. Now the ones on Piedmont Rd....Never been in but have been maybe once in my life, clearly dragged by a client never of my own volition I swear, to a traditional gentlemen's club in that same stretch so know how seedy and shaky everything around that couple of block stretch is. That spot, I wont mention but the only club that doesn't offer massages, just dances and champagne rooms, is how I learned about Brian Kemp's membership in their Silver Club where mgt tells the girls (all I've seen clearly naturalized, mostly from the rural spots and with daddy issues and other damage) to do whatever they want to take care of that group....

Re: White Nationalist Terrorism

Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:11 pm
by old salt
The shooter went there for a reason. The police indicated he had been a customer at some of them.

Other articles about Tan said she had "helped" lots of other immigrant Chinese young women support their families back home.
...just sayin'.